g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2013\2013-April.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From mstager at verizon.net Tue Apr 2 03:13:40 2013 From: mstager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 21:13:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Selling MR-1 for parts Message-ID: <0MKL00FW7SQT2670@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Nice looking MR-1, transport works fine, heads are excellent. Recording and play circuits are dead, no VU display recording or playing. Pick up in NYC - $75.00 Best, Marc 212-595-4065 212-675-6000 From fgiddi at windstream.net Tue Apr 2 12:00:09 2013 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Francis Giddings) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 06:00:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For Sale Message-ID: <515AAC29.7000103@windstream.net> My entire collection of decks is for sale, I have 20 decks various conditions. Contact me for a list of what I have. Thanks, Fran Giddings From hautboys at aol.com Tue Apr 2 13:47:31 2013 From: hautboys at aol.com (hautboys at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 07:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] For Sale In-Reply-To: <515AAC29.7000103@windstream.net> References: <515AAC29.7000103@windstream.net> Message-ID: <8CFFDAEFE293839-1FE0-432F8@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> Hi Fran, I am interested in your decks. What are you listing? Thanks, Rich -----Original Message----- From: Francis Giddings To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 7:12 am Subject: [naktalk] For Sale My entire collection of decks is for sale, I have 20 decks various conditions. Contact me for a list of what I have. Thanks, Fran Giddings ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dovhilton at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 14:33:32 2013 From: dovhilton at gmail.com (David Hilton) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:33:32 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] For Sale In-Reply-To: <515AAC29.7000103@windstream.net> References: <515AAC29.7000103@windstream.net> Message-ID: I am very interested in your decks. Please send me your list Kindest regards David Hilton On 2 April 2013 21:00, Francis Giddings wrote: > My entire collection of decks is for sale, I have 20 decks various > conditions. > Contact me for a list of what I have. > > Thanks, > > Fran Giddings > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -- David Hilton 104/1 Boomerang Place Woolloomooloo Sydney NSW 2011 Tel (02) 9 360 7268 H Mbl 04214 72692 W (02) 9267 2477 WFax (02) 9264 8871 WorkEmail david at greatsynagogue.org.au Skype dovhilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 4/2/13, David Hilton wrote: > I am very interested in your decks. > Please send me your list > Kindest regards > David Hilton > > > On 2 April 2013 21:00, Francis Giddings wrote: > >> My entire collection of decks is for sale, I have 20 decks various >> conditions. >> Contact me for a list of what I have. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Fran Giddings >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> > > > > -- > David Hilton > 104/1 Boomerang Place > Woolloomooloo > Sydney NSW 2011 > Tel (02) 9 360 7268 H > Mbl 04214 72692 > W (02) 9267 2477 > WFax (02) 9264 8871 > WorkEmail david at greatsynagogue.org.au > Skype dovhilton > From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Tue Apr 2 16:57:33 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:57:33 -0300 Subject: RES: [naktalk] For Sale In-Reply-To: <515AAC29.7000103@windstream.net> References: <515AAC29.7000103@windstream.net> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC405DA35C8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi Francis, I would be interested in looking into your Nak "stable" too. Would you be so kind to send it to me, with pictures if possible? Thank you, Rodrigo Krause rksr59 at terra.com.br -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Francis Giddings Enviada em: terça-feira, 2 de abril de 2013 07:00 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: [naktalk] For Sale My entire collection of decks is for sale, I have 20 decks various conditions. Contact me for a list of what I have. Thanks, Fran Giddings ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, David > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 06:00:09 -0400 > From: fgiddi at windstream.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] For Sale > > My entire collection of decks is for sale, I have 20 decks various > conditions. > Contact me for a list of what I have. > > Thanks, > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1364939728.22671.YahooMailNeo@web120901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Folks, In my quest for a perfectly restored Nakamichi including cosmetics of the deck's cover, (which many a times is pathetic at best bought from ebay) I happened to have some work done by a local artist who made my decks' sparkle with his magic. I am attaching a picture of my CR7 ( which was horribly scratched) for all to see. I can have this done for anyone interested for a $55 charge with shipping both ways paid by the buyer.( prepaid labels) The turn around time would be a week to two weeks after receipt. If interested, or with any questions please contact me off line at shantiram2000 at yahoo.com. Regards, Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What are you listing? > > Thanks, > Rich > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francis Giddings > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 7:12 am > Subject: [naktalk] For Sale > > My entire collection of decks is for sale, I have 20 decks various > conditions. > Contact me for a list of what I have. > > Thanks, > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki!http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here:http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Here is the list Thanks Fran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Takes 15 minutes (to do) and turnaround time of a day (to dry). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: shanti ramachandran >To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:55 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cabinet refinishing. > > >Folks, > > >In my quest for a perfectly restored Nakamichi including cosmetics of the deck's cover, (which many a times is pathetic at best bought from ebay) I >happened to have some work done by a local artist who made my decks' sparkle with his magic. > > >I am attaching a picture of my CR7 ( which was horribly scratched) for all to see. I can have this done for anyone interested for a $55 charge with shipping both ways paid by the buyer.( prepaid labels) The turn around time would be a week to two weeks after receipt. > > >If interested, or with any questions please contact me off line at shantiram2000 at yahoo.com. > > >Regards, > > >Ram. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Apr 3 15:53:11 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cabinet refinishing. In-Reply-To: <1364939728.22671.YahooMailNeo@web120901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364939728.22671.YahooMailNeo@web120901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364997191.20025.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> For anyone satisfied with less than sparkling cosmetics, a handyman's view of life and better things to do with 100 bucks, I would recommend a can of Rustoleum Satin black for $5 or so. Takes 15 minutes (to do) and turnaround time of a day (to dry). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: shanti ramachandran >To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:55 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cabinet refinishing. > > >Folks, > > >In my quest for a perfectly restored Nakamichi including cosmetics of the deck's cover, (which many a times is pathetic at best bought from ebay) I >happened to have some work done by a local artist who made my decks' sparkle with his magic. > > >I am attaching a picture of my CR7 ( which was horribly scratched) for all to see. I can have this done for anyone interested for a $55 charge with shipping both ways paid by the buyer.( prepaid labels) The turn around time would be a week to two weeks after receipt. > > >If interested, or with any questions please contact me off line at shantiram2000 at yahoo.com. > > >Regards, > > >Ram. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 3 22:57:06 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 06:57:06 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cabinet refinishing. In-Reply-To: <1364997191.20025.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364939728.22671.YahooMailNeo@web120901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1364997191.20025.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50EE1F40-8405-4CC0-9533-58DF18632B82@yahoo.com> Or a bottle of Turtle's Carnauba Wax. Keeps everything in my garage and music room shiny! Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 3 Apr, 2013, at 11:53 PM, Ron wrote: > > For anyone satisfied with less than sparkling cosmetics, a handyman's view > of life and better things to do with 100 bucks, I would recommend a can of > Rustoleum Satin black for $5 or so. Takes 15 minutes (to do) and turnaround > time of a day (to dry). > > -- Ron > > > > From: shanti ramachandran > To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:55 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cabinet refinishing. > > Folks, > > In my quest for a perfectly restored Nakamichi including cosmetics of the deck's cover, (which many a times is pathetic at best bought from ebay) I > happened to have some work done by a local artist who made my decks' sparkle with his magic. > > I am attaching a picture of my CR7 ( which was horribly scratched) for all to see. I can have this done for anyone interested for a $55 charge with shipping both ways paid by the buyer.( prepaid labels) The turn around time would be a week to two weeks after receipt. > > If interested, or with any questions please contact me off line at shantiram2000 at yahoo.com. > > Regards, > > Ram. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Thu Apr 4 01:23:07 2013 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:23:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cabinet refinishing. In-Reply-To: <50EE1F40-8405-4CC0-9533-58DF18632B82@yahoo.com> References: <1364939728.22671.YahooMailNeo@web120901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1364997191.20025.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50EE1F40-8405-4CC0-9533-58DF18632B82@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Even easier is Plexus, a plexiglas cleaner and polish. Puts a wet shine on just about any smooth surface. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > Or a bottle of Turtle's Carnauba Wax. Keeps everything in my garage and > music room shiny! > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 3 Apr, 2013, at 11:53 PM, Ron wrote: > > > For anyone satisfied with less than sparkling cosmetics, a handyman's view > of life and better things to do with 100 bucks, I would recommend a can of > Rustoleum Satin black for $5 or so. Takes 15 minutes (to do) and > turnaround > time of a day (to dry). > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* shanti ramachandran > *To:* Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:55 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi Cabinet refinishing. > > Folks, > > In my quest for a perfectly restored Nakamichi including cosmetics of the > deck's cover, (which many a times is pathetic at best bought from ebay) I > happened to have some work done by a local artist who made my decks' > sparkle with his magic. > > I am attaching a picture of my CR7 ( which was horribly scratched) for all > to see. I can have this done for anyone interested for a $55 charge with > shipping both ways paid by the buyer.( prepaid labels) The turn around time > would be a week to two weeks after receipt. > > If interested, or with any questions please contact me off line at > shantiram2000 at yahoo.com. > > Regards, > > Ram. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 17:30:21 2013 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble PROBLEM RESOLVED! Message-ID: <1365175821.85047.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> So ... After I solved the problem with all tensions after I supplemented cooling radiators Q407 and Q414 (which otherwise I and replaced with other higher dissipated power transistors) after I replaced the idler roller, after we checked idler tension spring, after I externally powered reel motor, I finally found fault: TAPE COUNTER!!!!   Yes, tape counter! On a careful examination of it, we found a pronounced wear on one of the gears inside, which led to his blocking as a result, which is operated directly by the spindle shut-off sensor, and it stopped him, resulting in stop cassette. I noticed this because after entering stop, refuse to take FF ... Only after doing REW, PLAY or FF accept again. So ... counter belt off .... flawless operation ... This is it: who help me with a counter for 480???? With special thanks to Gerhard, who gave me fantastic support, I wish you all the best ... Cristian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Apr 5 19:09:43 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:09:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble PROBLEM RESOLVED! In-Reply-To: <1365175821.85047.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1365175821.85047.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Cristian - I'm sure I can find you a tape counter for a 480. After this project you deserve it! Willy On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM, c n wrote: > So ... > After I solved the problem with all tensions after I supplemented cooling > radiators Q407 and Q414 (which otherwise I and replaced with other higher > dissipated power transistors) after I replaced the idler roller, after we > checked idler tension spring, after I externally powered reel motor, I > finally found fault: TAPE COUNTER!!!! > Yes, tape counter! On a careful examination of it, we found a pronounced > wear on one of the gears inside, which led to his blocking as a result, which > is operated directly by the spindle shut-off sensor, and it stopped him, > resulting in stop cassette. > I noticed this because after entering stop, refuse to take FF ... Only after > doing REW, PLAY or FF accept again. > So ... counter belt off .... flawless operation ... > This is it: who help me with a counter for 480???? > > With special thanks to Gerhard, who gave me fantastic support, > I wish you all the best ... > > Cristian > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Apr 5 19:10:16 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:10:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble PROBLEM RESOLVED! In-Reply-To: References: <1365175821.85047.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Contact me off NakTalk - willy at willyhs.com On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > Hi Cristian - > I'm sure I can find you a tape counter for a 480. After this project you > deserve it! > Willy > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM, c n wrote: > >> So ... >> After I solved the problem with all tensions after I supplemented cooling >> radiators Q407 and Q414 (which otherwise I and replaced with other higher >> dissipated power transistors) after I replaced the idler roller, after we >> checked idler tension spring, after I externally powered reel motor, I >> finally found fault: TAPE COUNTER!!!! >> Yes, tape counter! On a careful examination of it, we found a >> pronounced wear on one of the gears inside, which led to his blocking as >> a result, which is operated directly by the spindle shut-off sensor, and >> it stopped him, resulting in stop cassette. >> I noticed this because after entering stop, refuse to take FF ... Only after >> doing REW, PLAY or FF accept again. >> So ... counter belt off .... flawless operation ... >> This is it: who help me with a counter for 480???? >> >> With special thanks to Gerhard, who gave me fantastic support, >> I wish you all the best ... >> >> Cristian >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobbenwailer at hotmail.co.uk Fri Apr 5 19:36:13 2013 From: bobbenwailer at hotmail.co.uk (Ben Stratford) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 18:36:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble PROBLEM RESOLVED! In-Reply-To: <1365175821.85047.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1365175821.85047.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I may be able to help, could you supply a photo? Rgds ben On 5 Apr 2013, at 17:21, "c n" wrote: > So ... > After I solved the problem with all tensions after I supplemented cooling radiators Q407 and Q414 (which otherwise I and replaced with other higher dissipated power transistors) after I replaced the idler roller, after we checked idler tension spring, after I externally powered reel motor, I finally found fault: TAPE COUNTER!!!! > Yes, tape counter! On a careful examination of it, we found a pronounced wear on one of the gears inside, which led to his blocking as a result, which is operated directly by the spindle shut-off sensor, and it stopped him, resulting in stop cassette. > I noticed this because after entering stop, refuse to take FF ... Only after doing REW, PLAY or FF accept again. > So ... counter belt off .... flawless operation ... > This is it: who help me with a counter for 480???? > > With special thanks to Gerhard, who gave me fantastic support, > I wish you all the best ... > > Cristian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 19:43:54 2013 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:43:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble PROBLEM RESOLVED! In-Reply-To: References: <1365175821.85047.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I might have a 480 sitting somewhere with a good tape counter, let me dig around ... -Tim On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > Hi Cristian - > I'm sure I can find you a tape counter for a 480. After this project you > deserve it! > Willy > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM, c n wrote: > >> So ... >> After I solved the problem with all tensions after I supplemented cooling >> radiators Q407 and Q414 (which otherwise I and replaced with other higher >> dissipated power transistors) after I replaced the idler roller, after we >> checked idler tension spring, after I externally powered reel motor, I >> finally found fault: TAPE COUNTER!!!! >> Yes, tape counter! On a careful examination of it, we found a >> pronounced wear on one of the gears inside, which led to his blocking as >> a result, which is operated directly by the spindle shut-off sensor, and >> it stopped him, resulting in stop cassette. >> I noticed this because after entering stop, refuse to take FF ... Only after >> doing REW, PLAY or FF accept again. >> So ... counter belt off .... flawless operation ... >> This is it: who help me with a counter for 480???? >> >> With special thanks to Gerhard, who gave me fantastic support, >> I wish you all the best ... >> >> Cristian >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mstager at verizon.net Fri Apr 5 19:53:53 2013 From: mstager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:53:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Selling some of my Naks Message-ID: <0MKS0096FN1UDF60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> About my Naks: That MR-1 which I was selling for parts is fixed and working perfectly. Looks nice, Recordings sound exactly the same as input. For sale I still have a Nakamichi 1000 II in beautiful cosmetic condition. Front panel looks like new and the walnut case is nearly perfect. Mechanically it works fine but the electronics need servicing. It records nicely and meter works on the left channel. Does not record on the right channel. Meter does not move. Plays weakly with some noise on the right. No playback on the left. Right channel meter is good. - The problems can be fixed easily by replacing or repairing the plug-in cards, which I am looking for But for now, For sale as is. My 582 is in bad cosmetic condition but sounds beautiful, looking for a basket-case donor to replace the case. and front panel. After the facelift, it will be for sale. My 682XX is in my home stereo, looks and plays flawlessly. Not for sale. I also have a Sony Pro portable cassette machine, the remarkable little TC/WM-D6 - works perfectly. For sale. Thank you and best regards, Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems, New York City http://stagersound.com/silver tel: 212-595-4065 cel: 212-675-6000 From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 21:41:41 2013 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble PROBLEM RESOLVED! In-Reply-To: References: <1365175821.85047.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1365190901.64716.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I owe you one! It would be great if you could help with this counter. Waiting for a sign from you. With all respect, Cristian ________________________________ From: Tim Skorick To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble PROBLEM RESOLVED! I might have a 480 sitting somewhere with a good tape counter, let me dig around ...   -Tim On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: Hi Cristian - >I'm sure I can find you a tape counter for a 480.  After this project you deserve it! >Willy > > > >On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM, c n wrote: > >So ... >>After I solved the problem with all tensions after I supplemented cooling radiators Q407 and Q414 (which otherwise I and replaced with other higher dissipated power transistors) after I replaced the idler roller, after we checked idler tension spring, after I externally powered reel motor, I finally found fault: TAPE COUNTER!!!! >>  Yes, tape counter! On a careful examination of it, we found a pronounced wear on one of the gears inside, which led to his blocking as a result, which is operated directly by the spindle shut-off sensor, and it stopped him, resulting in stop cassette. >>I noticed this because after entering stop, refuse to take FF ... Only after doing REW, PLAY or FF accept again. >>So ... counter belt off .... flawless operation ... >>This is it: who help me with a counter for 480???? >> >>With special thanks to Gerhard, who gave me fantastic support, >>I wish you all the best ... >> >>Cristian >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 02:56:32 2013 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 20:56:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Limited Cassette Deck 1, Receiver and CD Player 2 Silver components Message-ID: Hi, I finally decided to sell my Nak Limited 1 system ( Cassette Deck 1 silver, Receiver 1 and CD Player 2). All components are in excellent condition.Receiver and CD Player are in good working condition but cassette deck needs a new belt. Regards,M From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 18 09:32:41 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:32:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] its quiet! Message-ID: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Long time no message, and I get questions what happened to naktalk! Is everyone happy listening? Wouter ps. I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life From jimsoden at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 10:10:32 2013 From: jimsoden at yahoo.com (Jim Soden) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] its quiet! In-Reply-To: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1366272632.31661.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter! Long time, me no post! :-) All my Naks are stored in boxes...flood, divorce, family deaths, more floods, unemployment, etc. I am at my limit for stress! I want my Naks back up and running! I miss looking at all the glowing lights in my bedroom at night when I would listen to tapes and make recordings...1000ZXL, Dragons, CR-7A, 480s, 480Zs, etc. Soon I hope to be back up and running and will be able to post something useful! God bless everyone and thanks always and forever to you for the Naks Forum! :-) Jim Soden jimsoden at yahoo.com >________________________________ > From: Wouter Heijke >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:32 AM >Subject: [naktalk] its quiet! > > > >Long time no message, and I get questions what happened to naktalk! > >Is everyone happy listening? > >Wouter > >ps. I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Apr 18 10:27:25 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:27:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for one silver recording knob for a 480 In-Reply-To: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <516FAE6D.40508@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi everyone Well, here is a new message: would someone have an "extra" knob (SILVER colour) for the recording linear pot of the 480 ? Cheers bernard Le 18/04/2013 09:32, Wouter Heijke a écrit : > Long time no message, and I get questions what happened to naktalk! > > Is everyone happy listening? > > Wouter > > ps. I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From pbtanner at hotmail.com Thu Apr 18 17:03:25 2013 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:03:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] its quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>, Message-ID: So here is a new message as well. I have acquired a few metal tapes recently. However my 582 does not seem to erase them completely. I can't set the bias to 0 db either if the record level is set at 0db. The deck works very well with SX and EX tapes of all makes. Only ZX is giving me trouble. On my other deck, a 481Z, the tapes erase and record perfectly so the fault is not with the tapes. Any idea? Thanks. Peter > Subject: Re: [naktalk] its quiet! > From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:22:55 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Wouter, > > Still listening to our Naks. > > Best regards , > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 18 apr. 2013 om 09:32 heeft Wouter Heijke het volgende geschreven: > > > > > Long time no message, and I get questions what happened to naktalk! > > > > Is everyone happy listening? > > > > Wouter > > > > ps. I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Thu Apr 18 18:20:15 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:20:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] its quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <273C3A57-4E74-4EF2-96A3-573F851E548C@ziggo.nl> Hi Peter, Does your deck have the orange caps inside or are they already replaced? Regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 18 apr. 2013 om 17:03 heeft Peter Tanner het volgende geschreven: > So here is a new message as well. I have acquired a few metal tapes recently. However my 582 does not seem to erase them completely. I can't set the bias to 0 db either if the record level is set at 0db. The deck works very well with SX and EX tapes of all makes. Only ZX is giving me trouble. On my other deck, a 481Z, the tapes erase and record perfectly so the fault is not with the tapes. Any idea? Thanks. > > Peter > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] its quiet! > > From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl > > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:22:55 +0200 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Hi Wouter, > > > > Still listening to our Naks. > > > > Best regards , > > > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > > > Op 18 apr. 2013 om 09:32 heeft Wouter Heijke het volgende geschreven: > > > > > > > > Long time no message, and I get questions what happened to naktalk! > > > > > > Is everyone happy listening? > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > ps. I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Apr 18 18:42:56 2013 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:42:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for one silver recording knob for a 480 References: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <516FAE6D.40508@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <90A8A287F87E479A8A40C834F426A56A@superdator> Hi Bernard. I have a scrapped silver 480. Contact me of list and i will send a knob to you. Regards Pelle. drakoshenko at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bb" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Looking for one silver recording knob for a 480 > Hi everyone > > Well, here is a new message: would someone have an "extra" knob (SILVER > colour) for the recording linear pot of the 480 ? > > Cheers > bernard > > Le 18/04/2013 09:32, Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> Long time no message, and I get questions what happened to naktalk! >> >> Is everyone happy listening? >> >> Wouter >> >> ps. I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 19:13:50 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] its quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>, Message-ID: <1366305230.93770.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Most likely, your bias oscillator is on the weak side. It's possible all it needs is re-calibration. If you're equipped (and inclined) to repair, you may wish to follow the service manual procedure for frequency adjustment and/or level (there is a resistor that can be shorted to increase output). If this doesn't do it, I would check the feedback caps (IIRC, both are 4700pF). Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Peter Tanner >To: naktalk naktalk >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:03 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] its quiet! > > > > >So here is a new message as well. I have acquired a few metal tapes recently. However my 582 does not seem to erase them completely. I can't set the bias to 0 db either if the record level is set at 0db. The deck works very well with SX and EX tapes of all makes. Only ZX is giving me trouble. On my other deck, a 481Z, the tapes erase and record perfectly so the fault is not with the tapes. Any idea? Thanks. > >Peter > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] its quiet! >> From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl >> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:22:55 +0200 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hi Wouter, >> >> Still listening to our Naks. >> >> Best regards , >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 18 apr. 2013 om 09:32 heeft Wouter Heijke het volgende geschreven: >> >> > >> > Long time no message, and I get questions what happened to naktalk! >> > >> > Is everyone happy listening? >> > >> > Wouter >> > >> > ps. I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 18:09:09 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:09:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] on another cassette note Message-ID: <500C4569-D1AD-4BA6-ABF4-C5FCED8BB0C7@gmail.com> greetings Not a nak, but I just got hold of a Tascam 488mkII 8 track analog cassette mixer. pretty clean condition, I also got a pack of akai GX60 tapes. Its my first hardware track recorder, I've been recording with my computer for sometime, but now I am trying to use it as least as possible. /Cy From pbtanner at hotmail.com Thu Apr 18 22:20:41 2013 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:20:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] its quiet! In-Reply-To: <273C3A57-4E74-4EF2-96A3-573F851E548C@ziggo.nl> References: <0a0c2f7fa36ea2950ad77e16ef40f813.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>, , , <273C3A57-4E74-4EF2-96A3-573F851E548C@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: The orange caps have already been replaced. The transistors are the original ones and as I have mentioned the deck erases and records very well for ES and SX tapes. Only the metal, ZX, is giving me trouble. It has been calibrated to the best of my knowledge. Playback head height and azimuth as per Nakamichi setting and the record head height and azimuth are set to the highest level with the help of the built in 400 hz and 15 khz tones. As for the resistors in the bias oscillator, yes, Ron, the manual mentions shorting one of them (there are two) but I am not clear what that means. How do you short a resistor? Disconnect it totally while in the record mode and then reconnect it? Or just bypass it altogether? Meaning connect the two points without a resistor at all? As you can see I am not an electronics expert but can learn along the way. Thanks Peter Subject: Re: [naktalk] its quiet! From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:20:15 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Peter,Does your deck have the orange caps inside or are they already replaced?Regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 18 apr. 2013 om 17:03 heeft Peter Tanner het volgende geschreven: So here is a new message as well. I have acquired a few metal tapes recently. However my 582 does not seem to erase them completely. I can't set the bias to 0 db either if the record level is set at 0db. The deck works very well with SX and EX tapes of all makes. Only ZX is giving me trouble. On my other deck, a 481Z, the tapes erase and record perfectly so the fault is not with the tapes. Any idea? Thanks. Peter > Subject: Re: [naktalk] its quiet! > From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:22:55 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Wouter, > > Still listening to our Naks. > > Best regards , > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 18 apr. 2013 om 09:32 heeft Wouter Heijke het volgende geschreven: > > > > > Long time no message, and I get questions what happened to naktalk! > > > > Is everyone happy listening? > > > > Wouter > > > > ps. I'm trying to get a OMS-7 back to life > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:14:02 -0700 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tech for preamp? Hi Everyone, I have a somewhat unusual high-end preamp that needs some service, and I'm wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good tech. It's solid state, and the line stage sounds good (other than some intermittent spitting in one channel, sort of like a bad tube), but the MC phono stage only works on and off. Working examples of this preamp have sold on eBay for under $300, so it doesn't make sense to put a lot of money into it, but if possible I'd like to get it working like new again. Any suggestions? Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Apr 19 13:08:07 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:08:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Weak erase of metal tapes Message-ID: I have found that every time a deck can erase Type I and II fine but can't erase IV completely it has been a weak erase head. You can try increasing current by shorting across the resistor with a small bit or wire lead and solder, which is free and easy, but what that seems to do is erase better but still not completely. On a hundred or so Naks I've worked on, the erase head on the standard transport is by far the most common I've had to replace. Maybe 6 or 7 so far. In fact, that is the main reason I buy junker LX-3s whenever I can. Sent from my iPhone. From mrm12000 at cableone.net Fri Apr 19 15:30:42 2013 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:30:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tech for preamp? In-Reply-To: <77578200-C801-477A-AEE5-CD0DA107325F@yahoo.com> References: <77578200-C801-477A-AEE5-CD0DA107325F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's a Kinergetics Research KPA-1. Dual mono with an MC phono stage and "hysteresis correction" circuit -- a pair of phono cartridges mounted inside the main chassis. Marc On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > > Hi Marc, > > What sort of pre amp is it? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 19 Apr, 2013, at 12:14 PM, "mrm12000 at cableone.net" < > mrm12000 at cableone.net> wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I have a somewhat unusual high-end preamp that needs some service, and > I'm wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good tech. It's solid > state, and the line stage sounds good (other than some intermittent > spitting in one channel, sort of like a bad tube), but the MC phono stage > only works on and off. Working examples of this preamp have sold on eBay > for under $300, so it doesn't make sense to put a lot of money into it, but > if possible I'd like to get it working like new again. Any suggestions? > > > > Marc > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 16:50:51 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tech for preamp? In-Reply-To: References: <77578200-C801-477A-AEE5-CD0DA107325F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1366383051.39656.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Marc, where are you located? Jayson ________________________________ From: "mrm12000 at cableone.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tech for preamp? It's a Kinergetics Research KPA-1. Dual mono with an MC phono stage and "hysteresis correction" circuit -- a pair of phono cartridges mounted inside the main chassis.   Marc On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >Hi Marc, > >What sort of pre amp is it? > >Best Regards, >Bala Ganesh > >On 19 Apr, 2013, at 12:14 PM, "mrm12000 at cableone.net" wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have a somewhat unusual high-end preamp that needs some service, and I'm wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good tech. It's solid state, and the line stage sounds good (other than some intermittent spitting in one channel, sort of like a bad tube), but the MC phono stage only works on and off. Working examples of this preamp have sold on eBay for under $300, so it doesn't make sense to put a lot of money into it, but if possible I'd like to get it working like new again. 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sat Apr 20 12:01:43 2013 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:01:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Weak erase of metal tapes In-Reply-To: <57A79992-65FD-4014-B967-75385B0AB52B@comcast.net> References: , <57A79992-65FD-4014-B967-75385B0AB52B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Perry, Ron has suggested the same. But before I do that I'll try to replace the two transistors, 2SC945, and the two 4700 capacitors. The caps have been changed already but perhaps they are failing again. If I can source them that is. Same for the two resistors. I don't know what else can be wrong with or faulty in that bias oscillator. And as I've said I only have the metal tape problems with the 581 and 582. Although the 581, unlike the 582 erases them well enough it doesn't calibrate them properly either. My 481Z and a 482Z which is on loan right now erase and record on any type IV tapes. This issue has never surfaced before as I've only had two metal tapes in all the collection of tapes I have. But recently I've acquired about 20 or so TDK MA-X C 100's so now the metal capability is important. Subject: Re: Weak erase of metal tapes From: perry.nak at comcast.net Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:27:32 -0400 To: pbtanner at hotmail.com Well you have point there, Peter, but to be honest, I have only found that on non Nak decks. I have a Yamaha K960 does similar to what you describe but since it is a 2 head single capstan, I never use it, now that I have so many top Naks. Poor or weak bias will prevent proper level calibration as well, and give overly bright tapes, so it is worth increasing the current per the manual by shorting the resistors as I described. The exact same bias signal that goes to the erase head also goes to the record head, so they are often related. I have never owned a 480/580 series deck, but have 30 others and all do metal fine, but like you said, could be an issue with that series. Interesting post. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: The problem is not just erasure although that's the main one. This deck has never been able to calibrate properly on metal tapes. If the level is set at 0 the bias cannot be brought down from +5 db. The recordings are too bright. You can bring the level down to -6db in which case the bias can be brought down to 0 but the the level is too low. So either way, though it works, is not correct. My 58I does the same though it does erase well. Both decks are calibrated as best as they can be. I am beginning to think that Nakamichi touted these decks as metal capable but in fact they never were. At least not well. The Z models were the first ones that really did the job. I kind of like the 582 for all other tapes as it has monitoring capability but for metal, I guess I'll just have to use the 481Z which has probably better electronics. > Subject: Weak erase of metal tapes > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:08:07 -0400 > CC: naktalk at naks.com > To: pbtanner at hotmail.com > > I have found that every time a deck can erase Type I and II fine but can't erase IV completely it has been a weak erase head. You can try increasing current by shorting across the resistor with a small bit or wire lead and solder, which is free and easy, but what that seems to do is erase better but still not completely. On a hundred or so Naks I've worked on, the erase head on the standard transport is by far the most common I've had to replace. Maybe 6 or 7 so far. In fact, that is the main reason I buy junker LX-3s whenever I can. > > Sent from my iPhone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Tue Apr 23 12:04:57 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (Birger Glosimot) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:04:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: , <57A79992-65FD-4014-B967-75385B0AB52B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <880E12DDC3814D6ABC4B596A5BBAE2AA@Birger> I have just received a ZX-7. When I got it, it had the cassette mecanisme pushed into yhe cabinett, but with some work I was able to repossision it. But when I try to calibrate, the level will not go to more than approx -30db less on left than right. Ofcourse recorded sound is dull. Also the azimuth will not adjust properly. Seems the record head moves, but only thre right light will indicate and that ofcourse meens I should adjust left. When I reach the end of leftwards adjustment, sometimes the center red bar will light and flicker a little, but stabilize again at the right green possision. Any good advices? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Apr 23 17:36:39 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:36:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <880E12DDC3814D6ABC4B596A5BBAE2AA@Birger> References: <57A79992-65FD-4014-B967-75385B0AB52B@comcast.net> <880E12DDC3814D6ABC4B596A5BBAE2AA@Birger> Message-ID: The flat sliding inner/outer cable (Bowden cable?) which transfers the mechanical turning of the azimuth knob to the wedge below the record head mounting plate usually gets damaged when the left hand transport mounts get broken. Remove that and do your best to flatten it out, make sure its operation is smooth, then re-install. You also will need to re-align both the play and record heads, then the electronics as per the instructions in the service manual. Best of luck. Willy On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Birger Glosimot wrote: > ** > I have just received a ZX-7. When I got it, it had the cassette mecanisme > pushed into yhe cabinett, but with some work I was able to repossision it. > But when I try to calibrate, the level will not go to more than approx > -30db less on left than right. Ofcourse recorded sound is dull. Also the > azimuth will not adjust properly. Seems the record head moves, but only > thre right light will indicate and that ofcourse meens I should adjust > left. When I reach the end of leftwards adjustment, sometimes the center > red bar will light and flicker a little, but stabilize again at the right > green possision. > > Any good advices? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Tue Apr 23 18:31:56 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (Birger Glosimot) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:31:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: <57A79992-65FD-4014-B967-75385B0AB52B@comcast.net><880E12DDC3814D6ABC4B596A5BBAE2AA@Birger> Message-ID: Thank you Willy. I will try that. may take a week before I can, but will let know. Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problems with ZX-7 The flat sliding inner/outer cable (Bowden cable?) which transfers the mechanical turning of the azimuth knob to the wedge below the record head mounting plate usually gets damaged when the left hand transport mounts get broken. Remove that and do your best to flatten it out, make sure its operation is smooth, then re-install. You also will need to re-align both the play and record heads, then the electronics as per the instructions in the service manual. Best of luck. Willy On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Birger Glosimot wrote: I have just received a ZX-7. When I got it, it had the cassette mecanisme pushed into yhe cabinett, but with some work I was able to repossision it. But when I try to calibrate, the level will not go to more than approx -30db less on left than right. Ofcourse recorded sound is dull. Also the azimuth will not adjust properly. Seems the record head moves, but only thre right light will indicate and that ofcourse meens I should adjust left. When I reach the end of leftwards adjustment, sometimes the center red bar will light and flicker a little, but stabilize again at the right green possision. Any good advices? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. 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Before you disconnect the bowden cable, try hitting play or record, then give the underside of the head carriage a little nudge up and see if it goes a little farther up, and suddenly works as it should. Even a movement of 3mm is enough to cause exactly what you describe. Sometimes that impact causes the small roller bearing to indent the plastic race. Sent from my iPhone From charles at njau.se Wed Apr 24 16:24:30 2013 From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:24:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MX90 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47327E06-DA54-4683-BA24-58CEDE064D8E@njau.se> I would like to buy your tapes! Thanks! 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed Apr 24 17:05:47 2013 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (Narada) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:05:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Testing if I can still post In-Reply-To: <201304241001.r3OA06gk001200@zxe.naks.com> References: <201304241001.r3OA06gk001200@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hello Chaps and lady! just testing been here for years seem to be unable to post and the 670 needs a service ian Scotland From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Thu Apr 25 10:19:56 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:19:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Testing if I can still post In-Reply-To: References: <201304241001.r3OA06gk001200@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8888B47B-D0C7-45EE-A6D9-036641E90719@ziggo.nl> Hi Welcome Best regards Norma Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 24 apr. 2013 om 17:05 heeft Narada het volgende geschreven: > Hello Chaps and lady! > > just testing > > been here for years > > seem to be unable to post > > and the 670 needs a service > > ian > > Scotland > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From le.cyrus at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 11:06:08 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 05:06:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel Message-ID: hi naks, does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. she doesn't have any reels to check it. pros or cons? worth the risk? /Cy From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 12:33:22 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:33:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. Cheers Sent from my iPhone On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: > > > hi naks, > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > /Cy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Thu Apr 25 13:49:42 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:49:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual Message-ID: Dear friends I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? Thanks and best regards, LP Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. From fgiddi at windstream.net Thu Apr 25 12:44:49 2013 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Francis Giddings) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:44:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51790921.7040302@windstream.net> On 4/25/2013 5:06 AM, Cyrus wrote: > > hi naks, > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > /Cy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BUY IT! From fgiddi at windstream.net Thu Apr 25 12:46:21 2013 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Francis Giddings) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:46:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5179097D.5070004@windstream.net> On 4/25/2013 5:06 AM, Cyrus wrote: > > hi naks, > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > /Cy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= A reel motor from that deck sells for more than $40.00, plus I will double your money plus shipping if you are interested. Fran From daniel.botelho at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 13:26:14 2013 From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:26:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. > It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few > seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. > > Cheers > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: > > > > > > > hi naks, > > > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 > bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > > > /Cy > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pls excuse typos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Thu Apr 25 16:30:40 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:30:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78C1205E-E1A3-45C3-9A66-31E3936433FC@peromarta.org> Email? Dropbox? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 25/04/2013, a las 14:27, Bala Ganesh escribió: > LP, > > File sent. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 25/04/2013, at 9:49 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Dear friends >> >> I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? >> >> There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? >> >> Thanks and best regards, LP >> >> >> Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Apr 25 17:28:58 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:28:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can scan mine if nobody else has one - but I won't be able to get to it until middle of next week. Willy On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear friends > > I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? > > There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas > ? > > Thanks and best regards, LP > > > Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 14:24:05 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:24:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <270372E6-B24D-4BFD-B731-7F8F4D686AB4@gmail.com> would a 480 SM do? On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:49 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear friends > > I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? > > There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? > > Thanks and best regards, LP > > > Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From icmllc at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 16:20:05 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:20:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. I own a lot of R2R's. Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. Ashvin On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: > Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. > > I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >> >> Cheers >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > hi naks, >> > >> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >> > >> > /Cy >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Apr 25 18:37:22 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:37:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual In-Reply-To: <270372E6-B24D-4BFD-B731-7F8F4D686AB4@gmail.com> References: <270372E6-B24D-4BFD-B731-7F8F4D686AB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you all. The 480 is already available on the wiki, as well as 481Z and 482Z. Willy let's wait a couple days see if it shows up. If not a scan would be fantastic. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 25/04/2013, a las 14:24, Cyrus escribió: > would a 480 SM do? > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:49 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Dear friends >> >> I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? >> >> There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? >> >> Thanks and best regards, LP >> >> >> Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Thu Apr 25 17:50:52 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (Birger Glosimot) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:50:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B5272C7A2A043F4830E22284BCE2BAF@Birger> There is a service manual for 480 on hifiengine.com Can that one help? BR Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual I can scan mine if nobody else has one - but I won't be able to get to it until middle of next week. Willy On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: Dear friends I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? Thanks and best regards, LP Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. 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On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Francis Giddings wrote: > On 4/25/2013 5:06 AM, Cyrus wrote: >> >> hi naks, >> >> does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >> My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >> she doesn't have any reels to check it. >> pros or cons? worth the risk? >> >> /Cy >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > A reel motor from that deck sells for more than $40.00, plus I will double your money plus shipping if you are interested. > > Fran > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From le.cyrus at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 19:22:29 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:22:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and where to get em? double boxing is a good idea /Cy On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. > I own a lot of R2R's. > Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. > > Ashvin > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: > >> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >> >> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >> >> Cheers >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > hi naks, >> > >> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >> > >> > /Cy >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.botelho at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 19:30:21 2013 From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:30:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> Message-ID: Very good advice. Hence the reason I don't ship R2R units. :( If it is being shipped, use the original packaging and/or use lots and lots of bubblewrap. LOTS! Double corrugated boxes will help keep the deck protected. D On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. > I own a lot of R2R's. > Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. > > Ashvin > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho > wrote: > > Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. > > I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a > reel to reel. :) > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > >> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam >> performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. >> There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >> >> Cheers >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > hi naks, >> > >> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 >> bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >> > >> > /Cy >> > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 19:32:14 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:32:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206BFFC-F16E-471A-924A-5C01CF859220@gmail.com> Is there any tests she can perform to c if its working, other than test the actual recording of the reels since she doesn't have any? Maybe test the inputs on it and meters? On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. > I own a lot of R2R's. > Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. > > Ashvin > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: > >> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >> >> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >> >> Cheers >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > hi naks, >> > >> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >> > >> > /Cy >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Apr 25 20:21:45 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:21:45 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB01347D@STVTEX06> E aí Daniel, conseguiu consertar a Dragon? Abs. Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Daniel Botelho Enviada em: quinta-feira, 25 de abril de 2013 08:26 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh > wrote: Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. Cheers Sent from my iPhone On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus > wrote: > > > hi naks, > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > /Cy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Apr 25 21:50:35 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 21:50:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual In-Reply-To: <7B5272C7A2A043F4830E22284BCE2BAF@Birger> References: <7B5272C7A2A043F4830E22284BCE2BAF@Birger> Message-ID: <007E2AD9-958F-4140-9101-87C675025845@peromarta.org> 480 is available on the wiki. Thanks anyway! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 25/04/2013, a las 17:50, "Birger Glosimot" escribió: > There is a service manual for 480 on hifiengine.com > Can that one help? > > BR > Birger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Willy Hermann > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual > > I can scan mine if nobody else has one - but I won't be able to get to it until middle of next week. > Willy > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Dear friends >> >> I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? >> >> There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? >> >> Thanks and best regards, LP >> >> >> Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5771 - Release Date: 04/24/13 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 00:38:49 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:38:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <1206BFFC-F16E-471A-924A-5C01CF859220@gmail.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> <1206BFFC-F16E-471A-924A-5C01CF859220@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E48B91C-E746-46F7-9AB9-48E1CFC69ED5@yahoo.com> You could put in a signal to test the meters and probably pop some old tape to see if records or plays back. But the deck would still need a full over. You can also get it setup for a particular tape, one that is still in production. Once you've done that, you'd be amazed how this machine can sing. Sent from my iPhone On 26/04/2013, at 3:32 AM, Cyrus wrote: > Is there any tests she can perform to c if its working, other than test the actual recording of the reels since she doesn't have any? > Maybe test the inputs on it and meters? > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > >> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >> I own a lot of R2R's. >> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >> >> Ashvin >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >> >>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>> >>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > hi naks, >>>> > >>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>> > >>>> > /Cy >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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BR Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual I can scan mine if nobody else has one - but I won't be able to get to it until middle of next week. Willy On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Luis Peromarta > wrote: Dear friends I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? Thanks and best regards, LP Sent from iPad. 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Ural -----Original Message----- From: Cyrus Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:22:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 23:50:52 2013 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them.Bob --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: From: Cyrus Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on.physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and where to get em? double boxing is a good idea /Cy On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected.I own a lot of R2R's.Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. Ashvin On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: Yes!  Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain.  I would go for it too, even with shipping.  Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel.  :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. Cheers Sent from my iPhone On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: > > > hi naks, > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B)  4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > /Cy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Apr 25 23:51:04 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 21:51:04 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB013AF8@STVTEX06> Good decision: reel to reel decks are extremely reliable and sound really good. I´m trying to bring back to life two Akai decks, both GX365D, three head, three motors (but no high bias tape adjustment other than SRT - special range tapes). Personally, I´d recommend that you look up on eBay for some Maxell or TDK tapes, just to name a few quality brands. Do a little research to find out (I don´t recall right now) the best options in terms of tape quality (high bias) and don´t buy tapes too long. I mean buy anything 1800 or 2400 feet long. There´s a 3600 inch tape that is supposed to provide longer listening hours, but the tape is thinner and could potentially break or warp up. As for the deck you plan to buy, maybe the first best thing to do is to replace the rubber belts (see Fred Marrs´website). Best of lucks, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Cyrus Enviada em: quinta-feira, 25 de abril de 2013 14:22 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and where to get em? double boxing is a good idea /Cy On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. I own a lot of R2R's. Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. Ashvin On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho > wrote: Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh > wrote: Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. Cheers Sent from my iPhone On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus > wrote: > > > hi naks, > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > /Cy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > E aí Daniel, conseguiu consertar a Dragon? > > Abs. > > > > Rodrigo > > > > *De:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Em nome > de *Daniel Botelho > *Enviada em:* quinta-feira, 25 de abril de 2013 08:26 > *Para:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Assunto:* Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > > > > Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. > > I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a > reel to reel. :) > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > > Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. > It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few > seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. > > Cheers > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: > > > > > > > hi naks, > > > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 > bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > > > /Cy > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida > sem autorizacao do remetente. 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Once you've done that, you'd be amazed how this machine can sing. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 26/04/2013, at 3:32 AM, Cyrus wrote: > >> Is there any tests she can perform to c if its working, other than test the actual recording of the reels since she doesn't have any? >> Maybe test the inputs on it and meters? >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >> >>> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>> I own a lot of R2R's. >>> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>>> >>>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > hi naks, >>>>> > >>>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>>> > >>>>> > /Cy >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 05:54:10 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:54:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <1E48B91C-E746-46F7-9AB9-48E1CFC69ED5@yahoo.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> <1206BFFC-F16E-471A-924A-5C01CF859220@gmail.com> <1E48B91C-E746-46F7-9AB9-48E1CFC69ED5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7049FDEA-C407-4400-BC1E-706348DB36EF@gmail.com> Well I would have to probably check it when it arrives then. If anyone knows someone in the MD / DC / VA area or a shop I can take it for a check up and maybe an estimate..let me know! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > You could put in a signal to test the meters and probably pop some old tape to see if records or plays back. But the deck would still need a full over. You can also get it setup for a particular tape, one that is still in production. Once you've done that, you'd be amazed how this machine can sing. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 26/04/2013, at 3:32 AM, Cyrus wrote: > >> Is there any tests she can perform to c if its working, other than test the actual recording of the reels since she doesn't have any? >> Maybe test the inputs on it and meters? >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >> >>> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>> I own a lot of R2R's. >>> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>>> >>>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. 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PM me. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > hi naks, >>>>> > >>>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>>> > >>>>> > /Cy >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Apr 26 10:26:05 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:26:05 +0200 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Service Manual In-Reply-To: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB01378A@STVTEX06> References: <7B5272C7A2A043F4830E22284BCE2BAF@Birger> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB01378A@STVTEX06> Message-ID: <09FC1F0C-AABB-4949-9DAB-6B1C25D2D72B@peromarta.org> Hi Rodrigo. The 480 si already on the wiki. Looking for 480Z Willy can scan a copy next week if we don't find another somewhere else. Thank you all. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 25/04/2013, a las 22:17, Rodrigo Krause escribió: > I`ve just done that. I downloaded a manual from HiFiEngine and sent it to Luis. I´m just waiting to hear from him if it was what he needed. > Best regards, > > Rodrigo > > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Birger Glosimot > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 25 de abril de 2013 12:51 > Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual > > There is a service manual for 480 on hifiengine.com > Can that one help? > > BR > Birger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Willy Hermann > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual > > I can scan mine if nobody else has one - but I won't be able to get to it until middle of next week. > Willy > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear friends > > I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? > > There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? > > Thanks and best regards, LP > > > Sent from iPad. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 26 10:31:09 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:31:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual In-Reply-To: <517A2ABC.4030205@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <517A2ABC.4030205@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: If someone makes a pdf available i will be happy to place it on the wiki page so all can download it. Wouter > I would be interested as well in the 480 Z SM. > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 11:50:09 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 02:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1366969809.49054.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I second the Maxell, especially the UDXL. My next favourite was the old EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them.  ________________________________ From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. Bob --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: >From: Cyrus >Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM > > >from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. >physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. > > >unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and  >where to get em? > > >double boxing is a good idea > > >/Cy > > > >On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > >Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>I own a lot of R2R's. >>Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >> >>Ashvin >> >>On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >> >> >>Yes!  Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain.  >>> >>>I would go for it too, even with shipping.  Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel.  :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>> >>>Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>> >>>>Cheers >>>> >>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> hi naks, >>>>> >>>>> does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>>> My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B)  4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>>> she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>>> pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>>> >>>>> /Cy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pls excuse typos. > >El 25/04/2013, a las 14:24, Cyrus escribió: > >> would a 480 SM do? >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:49 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >>> Dear friends >>> >>> I need a 480Z service manual. Anyone has a copy somewhere ? >>> >>> There is none in the wiki, and 481Z 482Z are somewhat different. Any ideas ? >>> >>> Thanks and best regards, LP >>> >>> >>> Sent from iPad. 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URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Fri Apr 26 11:41:55 2013 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Francis Giddings) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:41:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <517A4BE3.7010301@windstream.net> On 4/25/2013 1:22 PM, Cyrus wrote: > from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, > lights come on. > physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. > > unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / > brand of reel and > where to get em? > > double boxing is a good idea > > /Cy > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > >> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >> I own a lot of R2R's. >> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >> >> Ashvin >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho > > wrote: >> >>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>> >>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT >>> on a reel to reel. :) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh >> > wrote: >>> >>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam >>> performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty >>> performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct >>> you. PM me. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus >> > wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > hi naks, >>> > >>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for >>> $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, >>> neither do I.. >>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>> > >>> > /Cy >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Cyrus I have empty Revox 10 and 1/2 " metal reels Brand new never opened I can sell you for $20.00 each plus shipping. Tape is available online > usrecordingmedia.com/ and there are others. Fran Giddings -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 14:34:07 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:34:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76A6698E-02D9-48C4-8CAA-000F55991361@gmail.com> The issue is not the brand of tape. Its the age and thermal cycling. Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages where it can freeze and then get like an oven. These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does not know. Be aware of this. That is why its important to buy from the only existing manufacturer in the US. Regards Ashvin On Apr 25, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > > Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. > Bob > > --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: > > From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM > > from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. > physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. > > unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and > where to get em? > > double boxing is a good idea > > /Cy > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > >> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >> I own a lot of R2R's. >> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >> >> Ashvin >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >> >>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>> >>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > hi naks, >>> > >>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>> > >>> > /Cy >>> > >>> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 16:57:02 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:57:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <1366969809.49054.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1366969809.49054.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7C61E119-2D05-4BA4-8C74-53DE56CEF732@gmail.com> Hope you guys can read this. Ashvin On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I second the Maxell, especially the UDXL. My next favourite was the old EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them. > > > > From: Bob Naylor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > > Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. > Bob > > --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: > > From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM > > from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. > physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. > > unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and > where to get em? > > double boxing is a good idea > > /Cy > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > >> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >> I own a lot of R2R's. >> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >> >> Ashvin >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >> >>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>> >>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > hi naks, >>> > >>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>> > >>> > /Cy >>> > >>> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 26 21:24:36 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:24:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 480z service manual Message-ID: <33890c0edeed8bfc073ded89d84a796b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Ben has kindly made the 480Z service manual available, thanks! It is in the usual place: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Enjoy! Wouter From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr Fri Apr 26 17:21:28 2013 From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:21:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] quid tape Message-ID: Hi guys my 1000 stops on playback dirty heads belts to change what s your opinion From icmllc at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 17:43:42 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (ashvin srivastava) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:43:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <1366969809.49054.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1366969809.49054.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, I believe we had discussed my studio. Here are a few pictures. [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] The Studer-Revox 230 half track On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I second the Maxell, especially the UDXL. My next favourite was the old > EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Naylor > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > > Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of > good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. > Bob > > --- On *Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus * wrote: > > > From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM > > from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, > lights come on. > physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. > > unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand > of reel and > where to get em? > > double boxing is a good idea > > /Cy > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > > Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. > I own a lot of R2R's. > Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. > > Ashvin > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho > wrote: > > Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. > > I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a > reel to reel. :) > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > > Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. > It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few > seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. > > Cheers > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: > > > > > > > hi naks, > > > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 > bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > > > /Cy > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Relações com Investidores Multiplan S.A. +55 21 3031-5600 ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Apr 26 09:34:07 2013 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel The issue is not the brand of tape. Its the age and thermal cycling. Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages where it can freeze and then get like an oven. These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does not know. Be aware of this. That is why its important to buy from the only existing manufacturer in the US. Regards Ashvin On Apr 25, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Bob Naylor > wrote: Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. Bob --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus > wrote: From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and where to get em? double boxing is a good idea /Cy On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. I own a lot of R2R's. Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. Ashvin On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho > wrote: Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh > wrote: Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. Cheers Sent from my iPhone On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus > wrote: > > > hi naks, > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > /Cy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > Hope you guys can read this. > > [image: image.jpeg] > > [image: image.jpeg] > > > > Ashvin > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I second the Maxell, especially the UDXL. My next favourite was the old > EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Naylor > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > > Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of > good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. > Bob > > --- On *Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus * wrote: > > > From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM > > from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, > lights come on. > physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. > > unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand > of reel and > where to get em? > > double boxing is a good idea > > /Cy > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > > Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. > I own a lot of R2R's. > Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. > > Ashvin > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho > wrote: > > Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. > > I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a > reel to reel. :) > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > > Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. > It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few > seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. > > Cheers > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: > > > > > > > hi naks, > > > > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? > > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 > bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. > > she doesn't have any reels to check it. > > pros or cons? worth the risk? > > > > /Cy > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I second the Maxell, especially the UDXL. My next favourite was the old EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them. > > > > From: Bob Naylor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > > Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. > Bob > > --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: > > From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM > > from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. > physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. > > unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and > where to get em? > > double boxing is a good idea > > /Cy > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: > >> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >> I own a lot of R2R's. >> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >> >> Ashvin >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >> >>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>> >>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > hi naks, >>> > >>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>> > >>> > /Cy >>> > >>> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 23:03:26 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 07:03:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi LP, I combed through my drives but no 480Z. Sorry about that. Does it use the similar logic layouts to the 6XXs and ZXLs? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 27/04/2013, at 2:01 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Friends. > > This deck has been services and it just worked. > > Suddenly, it has stopped responding to keys. > > All DC rials strong. All keyboard signals to logic board good. > > However these signals do not reach the control motor governor (4558) so the deck is not being commanded into play, ff, rew, etc. > > Is there a inhibiting signal somewhere ? > > Any other idea ? > > Best. LP > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 27 07:41:16 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 07:41:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43752B90-C421-4E09-9E73-0FF637715420@peromarta.org> Thanks Bala. 480Z SM is now on the wiki! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 26/04/2013, a las 23:03, Bala Ganesh escribió: > Hi LP, > > I combed through my drives but no 480Z. Sorry about that. > > Does it use the similar logic layouts to the 6XXs and ZXLs? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 27/04/2013, at 2:01 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Friends. >> >> This deck has been services and it just worked. >> >> Suddenly, it has stopped responding to keys. >> >> All DC rials strong. All keyboard signals to logic board good. >> >> However these signals do not reach the control motor governor (4558) so the deck is not being commanded into play, ff, rew, etc. >> >> Is there a inhibiting signal somewhere ? >> >> Any other idea ? >> >> Best. LP >> >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Apr 27 15:49:49 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 06:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480z service manual In-Reply-To: <33890c0edeed8bfc073ded89d84a796b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <33890c0edeed8bfc073ded89d84a796b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1367070589.43612.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks much, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Wouter Heijke >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:24 PM >Subject: [naktalk] 480z service manual > > > >Ben has kindly made the 480Z service manual available, thanks! > >It is in the usual place: > >http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > >Enjoy! > >Wouter > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Apr 27 16:19:18 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 07:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1367072358.31620.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Turn deck ON. - Do you get +12V right at the control motor? - Do you get +24 at IC401 pin 8 and ground at IC401 pin 4? I know you said you did, just checking  :-). To continue: Press FF. - Does Q401 collector go HIGH? - If so, does Q426 collector go LOW and Q403 go LOW? - If so, what ar5e the voltages at IC401 pins 5, 6 and 7? Depending on results of the above, you are now fairly close to the source of the problem. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Luis Peromarta >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:01 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z > > >Friends. > >This deck has been services and it just worked. > >Suddenly, it has stopped responding to keys. > >All DC rials strong. All keyboard signals to logic board good. > >However these signals do not reach the control motor governor (4558) so the deck is not being commanded into play, ff, rew, etc. > >Is there a inhibiting signal somewhere ? > >Any other idea ? > >Best. LP > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 27 17:14:06 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:14:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z In-Reply-To: <1367072358.31620.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1367072358.31620.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Ron. Thanks so much. Please find answers below Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 27/04/2013, a las 16:19, Ron escribió: > Turn deck ON. > - Do you get +12V right at the control motor? Yes > - Do you get +24 at IC401 pin 8 and ground at IC401 pin 4? Yes > I know you said you did, just checking :-). > > To continue: Press FF. > - Does Q401 collector go HIGH? > - If so, does Q426 collector go LOW and Q403 go LOW? > - If so, what ar5e the voltages at IC401 pins 5, 6 and 7? Emitter at Q401 is low (1,7V) at all times, despite keys being pressed, so I suspect a shutt off signal. > > Depending on results of the above, you are now fairly close to the source of the problem. > > -- Ron > > > From: Luis Peromarta > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z > > Friends. > > This deck has been services and it just worked. > > Suddenly, it has stopped responding to keys. > > All DC rials strong. All keyboard signals to logic board good. > > However these signals do not reach the control motor governor (4558) so the deck is not being commanded into play, ff, rew, etc. > > Is there a inhibiting signal somewhere ? > > Any other idea ? > > Best. LP > > Sent from iPhone. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 27 17:22:39 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:22:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z In-Reply-To: <1367072358.31620.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1367072358.31620.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93D40894-930A-4444-A8AF-37CC77A7DE89@peromarta.org> Collector at Q413 low, so all transistors (401 402 etc) off. Base Q414 24V, base Q411 5,7V and emitter Q411 5,1V so Q411 off. Then I get lost in the wild. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 27/04/2013, a las 16:19, Ron escribió: > Turn deck ON. > - Do you get +12V right at the control motor? > - Do you get +24 at IC401 pin 8 and ground at IC401 pin 4? > I know you said you did, just checking :-). > > To continue: Press FF. > - Does Q401 collector go HIGH? > - If so, does Q426 collector go LOW and Q403 go LOW? > - If so, what ar5e the voltages at IC401 pins 5, 6 and 7? > > Depending on results of the above, you are now fairly close to the source of the problem. > > -- Ron > > > From: Luis Peromarta > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z > > Friends. > > This deck has been services and it just worked. > > Suddenly, it has stopped responding to keys. > > All DC rials strong. All keyboard signals to logic board good. > > However these signals do not reach the control motor governor (4558) so the deck is not being commanded into play, ff, rew, etc. > > Is there a inhibiting signal somewhere ? > > Any other idea ? > > Best. LP > > Sent from iPhone. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 27 19:33:16 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:33:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z In-Reply-To: <93D40894-930A-4444-A8AF-37CC77A7DE89@peromarta.org> References: <1367072358.31620.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <93D40894-930A-4444-A8AF-37CC77A7DE89@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Q411 ON, I meant. El 27/04/2013, a las 17:22, Luis Peromarta escribió: > Collector at Q413 low, so all transistors (401 402 etc) off. > > Base Q414 24V, base Q411 5,7V and emitter Q411 5,1V so Q411 off. > > Then I get lost in the wild. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 27/04/2013, a las 16:19, Ron escribió: > >> Turn deck ON. >> - Do you get +12V right at the control motor? >> - Do you get +24 at IC401 pin 8 and ground at IC401 pin 4? >> I know you said you did, just checking :-). >> >> To continue: Press FF. >> - Does Q401 collector go HIGH? >> - If so, does Q426 collector go LOW and Q403 go LOW? >> - If so, what ar5e the voltages at IC401 pins 5, 6 and 7? >> >> Depending on results of the above, you are now fairly close to the source of the problem. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> From: Luis Peromarta >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:01 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z >> >> Friends. >> >> This deck has been services and it just worked. >> >> Suddenly, it has stopped responding to keys. >> >> All DC rials strong. All keyboard signals to logic board good. >> >> However these signals do not reach the control motor governor (4558) so the deck is not being commanded into play, ff, rew, etc. >> >> Is there a inhibiting signal somewhere ? >> >> Any other idea ? >> >> Best. LP >> >> Sent from iPhone. 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URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Sun Apr 28 09:09:25 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:09:25 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Updates for BX-300 and 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassettes Message-ID: <4F310D2E771B4A06AC317AE18F45306E@emachinef0bb72> Greetings to all of you from down under! Some updates on the http://www.gennlab.com/bx300_1.html page in pictures. Supply Capstan Flywheel Belt replacement. Idler Tyre replacement. Using GennLab 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette Version 87B to align BX-300 PB Head height. Cheers, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 14:01:50 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 05:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z In-Reply-To: References: <1367072358.31620.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1367150510.96877.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > To continue: Press FF. > - Does Q401 collector go HIGH? > - If so, does Q426 collector go LOW and Q403 go LOW? > - If so, what are the voltages at IC401 pins 5, 6 and 7? > > Emitter at Q401 is low (1,7V) at all times, despite keys being pressed, so I suspect a shutt off signal. Unfortunately, this doesn't answer any of the three question above. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Luis Peromarta >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:14 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z > > > >Hey Ron. Thanks so much. Please find answers below > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >El 27/04/2013, a las 16:19, Ron escribió: > > >Turn deck ON. >> >>- Do you get +12V right at the control motor? >> > > >Yes > >- Do you get +24 at IC401 pin 8 and ground at IC401 pin 4? >> > > > >Yes > > >I know you said you did, just checking  :-). >> >> >>To continue: Press FF. >> >>- Does Q401 collector go HIGH? >> >>- If so, does Q426 collector go LOW and Q403 go LOW? >>- If so, what ar5e the voltages at IC401 pins 5, 6 and 7? >> > > >Emitter at Q401 is low (1,7V) at all times, despite keys being pressed, so I suspect a shutt off signal.  > > > > > > >> >>Depending on results of the above, you are now fairly close to the source of the problem. >> >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Luis Peromarta >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:01 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z >>> >>> >>>Friends. >>> >>>This deck has been services and it just worked. >>> >>>Suddenly, it has stopped responding to keys. >>> >>>All DC rials strong. All keyboard signals to logic board good. >>> >>>However these signals do not reach the control motor governor (4558) so the deck is not being commanded into play, ff, rew, etc. >>> >>>Is there a inhibiting signal somewhere ? >>> >>>Any other idea ? >>> >>>Best. LP >>> >>>Sent from iPhone. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 14:08:03 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 05:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z In-Reply-To: <93D40894-930A-4444-A8AF-37CC77A7DE89@peromarta.org> References: <1367072358.31620.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <93D40894-930A-4444-A8AF-37CC77A7DE89@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <1367150883.9146.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> That's wonderful, but I asked about Q401 collector, Q426 Collector, Q403 collector and IC pins 5, 6, and 7.  -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Luis Peromarta >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:22 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z > > > >Collector at Q413 low, so all transistors (401 402 etc) off.  > > >Base Q414 24V, base Q411 5,7V and emitter Q411 5,1V so Q411 off.  > > >Then I get lost in the wild.  > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >El 27/04/2013, a las 16:19, Ron escribió: > > >Turn deck ON. >> >>- Do you get +12V right at the control motor? >> >>- Do you get +24 at IC401 pin 8 and ground at IC401 pin 4? >> >>I know you said you did, just checking  :-). >> >> >>To continue: Press FF. >> >>- Does Q401 collector go HIGH? >> >>- If so, does Q426 collector go LOW and Q403 go LOW? >>- If so, what are the voltages at IC401 pins 5, 6 and 7? >> >> >> >>Depending on results of the above, you are now fairly close to the source of the problem. >> >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Luis Peromarta >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:01 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Faulty 480Z >>> >>> >>>Friends. >>> >>>This deck has been services and it just worked. >>> >>>Suddenly, it has stopped responding to keys. >>> >>>All DC rials strong. All keyboard signals to logic board good. >>> >>>However these signals do not reach the control motor governor (4558) so the deck is not being commanded into play, ff, rew, etc. >>> >>>Is there a inhibiting signal somewhere ? >>> >>>Any other idea ? >>> >>>Best. LP >>> >>>Sent from iPhone. 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Its the age and thermal cycling. > > Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages where it can freeze and then get like an oven. > > These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. > > You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does not know. Be aware of this. > > That is why its important to buy from the only existing manufacturer in the US. > > Regards > > Ashvin > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > >> >> Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. >> Bob >> >> --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: >> >> From: Cyrus >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM >> >> from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. >> physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. >> >> unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and >> where to get em? >> >> double boxing is a good idea >> >> /Cy >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >> >>> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>> I own a lot of R2R's. >>> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>>> >>>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > hi naks, >>>> > >>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>> > >>>> > /Cy >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Sat Apr 27 02:33:44 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:33:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <517aa221.882b320a.5879.ffff82e0@mx.google.com> References: <7677D1BD-AFDE-4B4F-BD7A-715C1FF48570@yahoo.com> <3BA33CDC-0160-4811-8267-ACD2C00A5A47@gmail.com> <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> <517A4BE3.7010301@windstream.net> <517aa221.882b320a.5879.ffff82e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: appreciate that On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:49 AM, daniel.botelho at gmail.com wrote: > I got reels. Lots of them! Used, but in good shape. Some are ampex, scotch, etc. > > If you got hubs, I got 10 inch reels... :) depending on where your located, I can ship them for a reasonable price. > > Email me offline if you need a few. Thanks! > From: Francis Giddings > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 11:38 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > > On 4/25/2013 1:22 PM, Cyrus wrote: >> from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. >> physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. >> >> unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and >> where to get em? >> >> double boxing is a good idea >> >> /Cy >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >> >>> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>> I own a lot of R2R's. >>> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>>> >>>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > hi naks, >>>> > >>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>> > >>>> > /Cy >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Cyrus I have empty Revox 10 and 1/2 " metal reels Brand new never opened I can sell you for $20.00 each plus shipping. 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My next favourite was the old EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them. >> >> >> >> From: Bob Naylor >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >> >> Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. >> Bob >> >> --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: >> >> From: Cyrus >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM >> >> from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. >> physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. >> >> unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and >> where to get em? >> >> double boxing is a good idea >> >> /Cy >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >> >>> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>> I own a lot of R2R's. >>> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>>> >>>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > hi naks, >>>> > >>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>> > >>>> > /Cy >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Apr 27 05:11:31 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel References: <201304270156.r3R1nRoK012224@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1367032291.40881.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Actually it IS very dependent on tape brands and is called SSS(sticky-shed syndrome). It's a problem with the binder in many brands and in specific yrs. But this is a foolish argument with new tape out there like LPR35.  You're promoting tape formulas that are 40yrs old against the latest & greatest formulas. Any good tech can do a bias & equalization adjustment on your old deck, providing it can be tweaked far enough to accommodate the newer, hotter formulas. Most decks from the mid 70's on, can be adjusted for the newer tapes. If you have blank metal 10.5 reels you can buy pancakes which are cheaper yet. And LPR35 is just the entry point; there are many professional formulas being currently made. You'll pay more but you get more in QUALITY. Just because you buy an old deck doesn't mean you have to buy 40yr old tape. Kevin Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:46:34 +0000 From: Rodrigo Krause Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB0143BC at STVTEX06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ...And what manufacturer might that be? Rodrigo Krause dos S. R. Relações com Investidores Multiplan S.A. +55 21 3031-5600 ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Apr 26 09:34:07 2013 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel The issue is not the brand of tape. Its the age and thermal cycling. Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages where it can freeze and then get like an oven. These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does not know. Be aware of this. That is why its important to buy from the only existing manufacturer in the US. Regards Ashvin ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 18:14:03 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z manual Message-ID: <1367165643.56670.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Just went over this manual (freshly downloaded from the Naks.com site) and discovered that the amplifier section schematic (section 13.4, Page 60) is missing. Does anyone have this page? Thanks in advance, -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Apr 28 20:45:30 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:45:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z manual In-Reply-To: <1367165643.56670.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1367165643.56670.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I found it missing too. Ben, any chance you can have a quick scan? Thanks a lot. LP. El 28/04/2013, a las 18:14, Ron escribió: > > > Just went over this manual (freshly downloaded from the Naks.com site) and > discovered that the amplifier section schematic (section 13.4, Page 60) is > missing. Does anyone have this page? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 21:37:55 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:37:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <8D11AC0B-B121-495B-AD10-9EFCF90B76F2@gmail.com> References: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1366969809.49054.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7C61E119-2D05-4BA4-8C74-53DE56CEF732@gmail.com> <8D11AC0B-B121-495B-AD10-9EFCF90B76F2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5141B35F-C5EE-45C7-8C4B-4EDA75010E22@gmail.com> Try Tascam web site. Ashvin On Apr 26, 2013, at 8:24 PM, Cyrus wrote: > would anyone have a Tascam 34 manual? > I cant seem to find it on the www. > I found the maintenance manual for the 34, > and the user manual for the 34B model, but not the regular 34... > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Daniel Botelho wrote: > >> Ashvin, Very good (and valid) points. >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >>> Hope you guys can read this. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>>> I second the Maxell, especially the UDXL. My next favourite was the old EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Bob Naylor >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>>> >>>> Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Cyrus >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>> Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM >>>> >>>> from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. >>>> physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. >>>> >>>> unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and >>>> where to get em? >>>> >>>> double boxing is a good idea >>>> >>>> /Cy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >>>> >>>>> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>>>> I own a lot of R2R's. >>>>> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >>>>> >>>>> Ashvin >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > hi naks, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > /Cy >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone have this page? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- David Hilton 104/1 Boomerang Place Woolloomooloo Sydney NSW 2011 Tel (02) 9 360 7268 H Mbl 04214 72692 W (02) 9267 2477 WFax (02) 9264 8871 WorkEmail david at greatsynagogue.org.au Skype dovhilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Over the years the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long time. 2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial glue/binder is. If this happens under stable studio conditions it is really bad tape. Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." He is rather concerned about spending $40 plus shipping on a R2R ... ashvin On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Actually it IS very dependent on tape brands and is called SSS(sticky-shed > syndrome). It's a problem with the binder in many brands and in specific > yrs. But this is a foolish argument with new tape out there like LPR35. > You're promoting tape formulas that are 40yrs old against the latest & > greatest formulas. Any good tech can do a bias & equalization adjustment on > your old deck, providing it can be tweaked far enough to accommodate the > newer, hotter formulas. Most decks from the mid 70's on, can be adjusted > for the newer tapes. If you have blank metal 10.5 reels you can buy > pancakes which are cheaper yet. And LPR35 is just the entry point; there > are many professional formulas being currently made. You'll pay more but > you get more in QUALITY. Just because you buy an old deck doesn't mean you > have to buy 40yr old tape. > > Kevin > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:46:34 +0000 > From: Rodrigo Krause > Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB0143BC at STVTEX06> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ...And what manufacturer might that be? > Rodrigo Krause dos S. R. > Relações com Investidores > Multiplan S.A. > +55 21 3031-5600 > > ________________________________ > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Enviada em: Fri Apr 26 09:34:07 2013 > Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel > > The issue is not the brand of tape. Its the age and thermal cycling. > > Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages > where it can freeze and then get like an oven. > > These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its > expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. > > You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does > not know. Be aware of this. > > That is why its important to buy from the only existing manufacturer in > the US. > > Regards > > Ashvin > > ------------------------------ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Apr 29 11:19:11 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:19:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z manual In-Reply-To: References: <1367165643.56670.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank You so much!! LP Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 29/04/2013, a las 05:24, David Hilton escribió: > Here is complete Manual > Regards > David > > > On 29 April 2013 02:14, Ron wrote: >> >> >> Just went over this manual (freshly downloaded from the Naks.com site) and >> discovered that the amplifier section schematic (section 13.4, Page 60) is >> missing. Does anyone have this page? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > David Hilton > 104/1 Boomerang Place > Woolloomooloo > Sydney NSW 2011 > Tel (02) 9 360 7268 H > Mbl 04214 72692 > W (02) 9267 2477 > WFax (02) 9264 8871 > WorkEmail david at greatsynagogue.org.au > Skype dovhilton > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 17:20:05 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z manual In-Reply-To: References: <1367165643.56670.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1367248805.11036.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks much, David.  -- Ron >________________________________ > From: David Hilton >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:24 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z manual > > > >Here is complete Manual >Regards >David > > > >On 29 April 2013 02:14, Ron wrote: > > >> >> >> >>Just went over this manual (freshly downloaded from the Naks.com site) and >> >>discovered that the amplifier section schematic (section 13.4, Page 60) is >> >>missing. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 08:36:11 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:36:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: <8D11AC0B-B121-495B-AD10-9EFCF90B76F2@gmail.com> References: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1366969809.49054.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7C61E119-2D05-4BA4-8C74-53DE56CEF732@gmail.com> <8D11AC0B-B121-495B-AD10-9EFCF90B76F2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try googling for the other models in that series like the 32. They are similar except that more or less tracks apply. Sent from my iPhone On 27/04/2013, at 11:24 AM, Cyrus wrote: > would anyone have a Tascam 34 manual? > I cant seem to find it on the www. > I found the maintenance manual for the 34, > and the user manual for the 34B model, but not the regular 34... > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Daniel Botelho wrote: > >> Ashvin, Very good (and valid) points. >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >>> Hope you guys can read this. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>>> I second the Maxell, especially the UDXL. My next favourite was the old EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Bob Naylor >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>>> >>>> Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Cyrus >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>> Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM >>>> >>>> from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. >>>> physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. >>>> >>>> unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and >>>> where to get em? >>>> >>>> double boxing is a good idea >>>> >>>> /Cy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >>>> >>>>> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>>>> I own a lot of R2R's. >>>>> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >>>>> >>>>> Ashvin >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > hi naks, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > /Cy >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 10:35:41 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:35:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel In-Reply-To: References: <201304270156.r3R1nRoK012224@zxe.naks.com> <1367032291.40881.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6D5599B6-C10F-42C8-8AB8-1DA1C783DF03@yahoo.com> Hi Ashvin, While tape is relatively stable for a long time, what happens is with especially higher speed tape, and under challenging storage conditions is something to consider. I've had some of my father's 7.5 Ips recordings come back perfectly while 15ips tape made almost ten years later have had so much of drop outs we had to retransfer them. Both are good tape. But it was a time when there were various grades of tapes and different reactions resulted. GP9 masters I made more then a decade ago are still in good shape and sound pristine on my PR99 till to day. I would strongly recommend setting up the deck for a new formulation and stick with it. The OP is lucky he doesn't have legacy recordings to worry about. Cheers, Bala Sent from my iPhone On 29/04/2013, at 2:06 PM, ashvin srivastava wrote: > Kevin, > > I want to make a couple of comments on magnetic tape (oxide or metal particle) > > 1.) Essentially the hyteretic curve of ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic particle based tapes is very well understood. The crystal physics is fundamentally well understood since the late 60's. Most of the variations on the B-H hysteretic curve was a function of crystal, cation-modifications in the crystal as it related to "poly-crystallinf" grains. Over the years the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long time. > > 2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial glue/binder is. If this happens under stable studio conditions it is really bad tape. > > Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." He is rather concerned about spending $40 plus shipping on a R2R ... > > ashvin > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> Actually it IS very dependent on tape brands and is called SSS(sticky-shed syndrome). It's a problem with the binder in many brands and in specific yrs. But this is a foolish argument with new tape out there like LPR35. You're promoting tape formulas that are 40yrs old against the latest & greatest formulas. Any good tech can do a bias & equalization adjustment on your old deck, providing it can be tweaked far enough to accommodate the newer, hotter formulas. Most decks from the mid 70's on, can be adjusted for the newer tapes. If you have blank metal 10.5 reels you can buy pancakes which are cheaper yet. And LPR35 is just the entry point; there are many professional formulas being currently made. You'll pay more but you get more in QUALITY. Just because you buy an old deck doesn't mean you have to buy 40yr old tape. >> >> Kevin >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:46:34 +0000 >> From: Rodrigo Krause >> Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >> To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB0143BC at STVTEX06> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ...And what manufacturer might that be? >> Rodrigo Krause dos S. R. >> Relações com Investidores >> Multiplan S.A. >> +55 21 3031-5600 >> >> ________________________________ >> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Enviada em: Fri Apr 26 09:34:07 2013 >> Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >> >> The issue is not the brand of tape. Its the age and thermal cycling. >> >> Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages where it can freeze and then get like an oven. >> >> These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. >> >> You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does not know. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 15:47:16 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel References: <201304291103.r3TAtVa3017819@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1367243236.34093.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ Ashvin, Now that you've dazzled us with your knowledge of metal particles and binding of magnetic tape, the point still stands that the predominance of problems with old tape revolve around SSS. It's well documented even down to brands and yrs of manufacture. Since 1/4" LPR35 is a entry level RMGI new tape, it has all the advantages over 40+yr old tape, especially the brands and yrs known to cause SSS. It's also hotter and better spec-ed. So, it's not like I'm suggesting to buy the more expensive, studio master RMGI or ATR tape for an old machine that someone pays $40 for...I'm just suggesting that if someone is going to restore a machine and do reasonably serious recording, have it calibrated for a tape like LPR35. Most of us serious reelers have done exactly that. Use the RMGI and ATR master tapes for live recordings of value. Kevin ________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:06:34 -0500 From: ashvin srivastava Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel To: Kevin Fetner ,    Talk about Nakamichi Cassette     Decks Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, I want to make a couple of comments on magnetic tape (oxide or metal particle) 1.) Essentially the hyteretic curve of ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic particle based tapes is very well understood.  The crystal physics is fundamentally well understood since the late 60's.  Most of the variations on the B-H hysteretic curve was a function of crystal, cation-modifications in the crystal as it related to "poly-crystallinf" grains.  Over the years the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long time. 2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial glue/binder is.  If this happens under stable studio conditions it is really bad tape. Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." He is rather concerned about spending $40 plus shipping on a R2R ... ashvin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 16:12:58 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:12:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel Message-ID: <05ivg5j7pew64b2vwhijblep.1367331178662@email.android.com> Bala Im in full agreement. Ashvin Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S™4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bala Ganesh Date: 04/30/2013 3:35 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel Hi Ashvin, While tape is relatively stable for a long time, what happens is with especially higher speed tape, and under challenging storage conditions is something to consider.  I've had some of my father's 7.5 Ips recordings come back perfectly while 15ips tape made almost ten years later have had so much of drop outs we had to retransfer them.  Both are good tape. But it was a time when there were various grades of tapes and different reactions resulted. GP9 masters I made more then a decade ago are still in good shape and sound pristine on my PR99 till to day.  I would strongly recommend setting up the deck for a new formulation and stick with it. The OP is lucky he doesn't have legacy recordings to worry about.  Cheers,  Bala Sent from my iPhone On 29/04/2013, at 2:06 PM, ashvin srivastava wrote: Kevin, I want to make a couple of comments on magnetic tape (oxide or metal particle) 1.) Essentially the hyteretic curve of ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic particle based tapes is very well understood.  The crystal physics is fundamentally well understood since the late 60's.  Most of the variations on the B-H hysteretic curve was a function of crystal, cation-modifications in the crystal as it related to "poly-crystallinf" grains.  Over the years the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long time. 2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial glue/binder is.  If this happens under stable studio conditions it is really bad tape.   Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." He is rather concerned about spending $40 plus shipping on a R2R ... ashvin On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: Actually it IS very dependent on tape brands and is called SSS(sticky-shed syndrome). It's a problem with the binder in many brands and in specific yrs. But this is a foolish argument with new tape out there like LPR35.  You're promoting tape formulas that are 40yrs old against the latest & greatest formulas. Any good tech can do a bias & equalization adjustment on your old deck, providing it can be tweaked far enough to accommodate the newer, hotter formulas. Most decks from the mid 70's on, can be adjusted for the newer tapes. If you have blank metal 10.5 reels you can buy pancakes which are cheaper yet. And LPR35 is just the entry point; there are many professional formulas being currently made. You'll pay more but you get more in QUALITY. Just because you buy an old deck doesn't mean you have to buy 40yr old tape. Kevin Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:46:34 +0000 From: Rodrigo Krause Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB0143BC at STVTEX06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ...And what manufacturer might that be? Rodrigo Krause dos S. R. Relações com Investidores Multiplan S.A. +55 21 3031-5600 ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Apr 26 09:34:07 2013 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel The issue is not the brand of tape. Its the age and thermal cycling. Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages where it can freeze and then get like an oven. These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does not know. Be aware of this. That is why its important to buy from the only existing manufacturer in the US. 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 18:09:53 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:09:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] reel 2 reel In-Reply-To: References: <9BC3285A-517B-4D15-A9E7-7772EB298CE7@gmail.com> <1366926652.31900.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1366969809.49054.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7C61E119-2D05-4BA4-8C74-53DE56CEF732@gmail.com> <8D11AC0B-B121-495B-AD10-9EFCF90B76F2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F79CED0-E5CF-4F64-A7CD-73E39CA71CE6@gmail.com> thanks, i am still searching. i can probably use most of the 34b manual. seems like there only a few small changes On Apr 30, 2013, at 2:36 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > Try googling for the other models in that series like the 32. They are similar except that more or less tracks apply. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 27/04/2013, at 11:24 AM, Cyrus wrote: > >> would anyone have a Tascam 34 manual? >> I cant seem to find it on the www. >> I found the maintenance manual for the 34, >> and the user manual for the 34B model, but not the regular 34... >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >> >>> Ashvin, Very good (and valid) points. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >>> Hope you guys can read this. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>>> I second the Maxell, especially the UDXL. My next favourite was the old EMTEC 468. I think there's been some effort to restart production on them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Bob Naylor >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>>> >>>> Just my opinion but I like Maxell UD, or Maxell XL1. I've heard a lot of good about Synergy (sp?) but I've not tried them. >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Cyrus wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Cyrus >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>> Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:22 AM >>>> >>>> from what i am told it looks like its in good condition, motors work, lights come on. >>>> physical appearance is good. I think I will go for it. >>>> >>>> unfortunately I don't have any reels. Does anyone know a good type / brand of reel and >>>> where to get em? >>>> >>>> double boxing is a good idea >>>> >>>> /Cy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: >>>> >>>>> Make sure unit is double boxed. The spindles are protected. >>>>> I own a lot of R2R's. >>>>> Quite a few were destroyed in shipping. >>>>> >>>>> Ashvin >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Daniel Botelho wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes! Take it...parts are aplenty and it's relatively easy to maintain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would go for it too, even with shipping. Recordings sound GREAT on a reel to reel. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>>>> Go for it. The T34 is a solid deck that delivers great Tascam performance. It's a simple deck that's built for heavy duty performance. There are a few seasoned Teac veterans I can direct you. PM me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25/04/2013, at 7:06 PM, Cyrus wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > hi naks, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > does anyone here know anything about reel to reel machines? >>>>>> > My relative is offering me a Tascam 34 (not 34B) 4 track, for $40 bucks, i have to pay shipping. they dont know much about it, neither do I.. >>>>>> > she doesn't have any reels to check it. >>>>>> > pros or cons? worth the risk? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > /Cy >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! 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URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 18:10:25 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (ashvin srivastava) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:10:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel In-Reply-To: <1367243236.34093.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201304291103.r3TAtVa3017819@zxe.naks.com> <1367243236.34093.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin, You are dazzeled too easily. I didnt even put one tensor equation in there. We are on the same page. I pasted a picture of a book on Analogue Recording which stated the exact same thing. No worries. Your remark on modern "compositions" caught my eye. (e-mails tend to remove 80% of the communication element. Did not mean to dazzle or offend) On Monday, April 29, 2013, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > **Ashvin, > Now that you've dazzled us with your knowledge of metal particles and > binding of magnetic tape, the point still stands that the predominance of > problems with old tape revolve around SSS. It's well documented even down > to brands and yrs of manufacture. Since 1/4" LPR35 is a entry level RMGI > new tape, it has all the advantages over 40+yr old tape, especially the > brands and yrs known to cause SSS. It's also hotter and better spec-ed. So, > it's not like I'm suggesting to buy the more expensive, studio master RMGI > or ATR tape for an old machine that someone pays $40 for...I'm just > suggesting that if someone is going to restore a machine and do reasonably > serious recording, have it calibrated for a tape like LPR35. Most of us > serious reelers have done exactly that. Use the RMGI and ATR master tapes > for live recordings of value. > > Kevin > ________________________________________ > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:06:34 -0500 > From: ashvin srivastava 'icmllc at gmail.com');>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel > To: Kevin Fetner 'shoeihell at yahoo.com');>>, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks 'naktalk at naks.com');>> > Message-ID: > 'CACSsU2MvnhK3fOaLBojVL3pttSTt0Fb4mtCqR4S3_tjqjEMw4w at mail.gmail.com');>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kevin, > > I want to make a couple of comments on magnetic tape (oxide or metal > particle) > > 1.) Essentially the hyteretic curve of ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic > particle based tapes is very well understood. The crystal physics is > fundamentally well understood since the late 60's. Most of the variations > on the B-H hysteretic curve was a function of crystal, cation-modifications > in the crystal as it related to "poly-crystallinf" grains. Over the years > the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight > particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, > has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from > the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal > particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long > time. > > 2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic > oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, > and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses > caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme > conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial > glue/binder is. If this happens under stable studio conditions it is > really bad tape. > > Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording > engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record > "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." He is rather concerned about spending > $40 plus shipping on a R2R ... > > ashvin > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aburkhart at unilect.com Tue Apr 30 18:19:46 2013 From: aburkhart at unilect.com (Andrew Burkhart) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel In-Reply-To: <6D5599B6-C10F-42C8-8AB8-1DA1C783DF03@yahoo.com> References: <201304270156.r3R1nRoK012224@zxe.naks.com> <1367032291.40881.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6D5599B6-C10F-42C8-8AB8-1DA1C783DF03@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A7F713F-5F55-4981-BE15-7432DC9C7844@unilect.com> Bala, Did you bake the tape before transferring? I've had R2R's since the 70's and most every Ampex/Quantegy, 3M/Scotch formulation from the 70's - 90's suffered SSS (sticky shed syndrome) and requires a controlled temp bake to make them playable. Oddly, the Japanese tapes (Maxell & TDK) don't suffer from this. They have a different binder formulation that doesn't hydrate (in simple terms). I have some 2000 era Quantegy & Emtec tape and supposedly they had changed the formulations to prevent SSS, but I haven't tested it yet. Also have not tried any of the current tapes from RMGI or ATR. I wonder how those will hold up over time. Andrew Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:35 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > Hi Ashvin, > > While tape is relatively stable for a long time, what happens is with especially higher speed tape, and under challenging storage conditions is something to consider. > > I've had some of my father's 7.5 Ips recordings come back perfectly while 15ips tape made almost ten years later have had so much of drop outs we had to retransfer them. > > Both are good tape. But it was a time when there were various grades of tapes and different reactions resulted. GP9 masters I made more then a decade ago are still in good shape and sound pristine on my PR99 till to day. > > I would strongly recommend setting up the deck for a new formulation and stick with it. The OP is lucky he doesn't have legacy recordings to worry about. > > Cheers, > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 29/04/2013, at 2:06 PM, ashvin srivastava wrote: > >> Kevin, >> >> I want to make a couple of comments on magnetic tape (oxide or metal particle) >> >> 1.) Essentially the hyteretic curve of ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic particle based tapes is very well understood. The crystal physics is fundamentally well understood since the late 60's. Most of the variations on the B-H hysteretic curve was a function of crystal, cation-modifications in the crystal as it related to "poly-crystallinf" grains. Over the years the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long time. >> >> 2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial glue/binder is. If this happens under stable studio conditions it is really bad tape. >> >> Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." He is rather concerned about spending $40 plus shipping on a R2R ... >> >> ashvin >> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: >>> Actually it IS very dependent on tape brands and is called SSS(sticky-shed syndrome). It's a problem with the binder in many brands and in specific yrs. But this is a foolish argument with new tape out there like LPR35. You're promoting tape formulas that are 40yrs old against the latest & greatest formulas. Any good tech can do a bias & equalization adjustment on your old deck, providing it can be tweaked far enough to accommodate the newer, hotter formulas. Most decks from the mid 70's on, can be adjusted for the newer tapes. If you have blank metal 10.5 reels you can buy pancakes which are cheaper yet. And LPR35 is just the entry point; there are many professional formulas being currently made. You'll pay more but you get more in QUALITY. Just because you buy an old deck doesn't mean you have to buy 40yr old tape. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:46:34 +0000 >>> From: Rodrigo Krause >>> Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>> To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >>> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB0143BC at STVTEX06> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> ...And what manufacturer might that be? >>> Rodrigo Krause dos S. R. >>> Relações com Investidores >>> Multiplan S.A. >>> +55 21 3031-5600 >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Enviada em: Fri Apr 26 09:34:07 2013 >>> Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>> >>> The issue is not the brand of tape. Its the age and thermal cycling. >>> >>> Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages where it can freeze and then get like an oven. >>> >>> These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. >>> >>> You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does not know. Be aware of this. >>> >>> That is why its important to buy from the only existing manufacturer in the US. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ashvin >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobbenwailer at hotmail.co.uk Tue Apr 30 18:25:46 2013 From: bobbenwailer at hotmail.co.uk (Ben Stratford) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:25:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 482 Transport Rebuild Message-ID: This latest deck had the usual mechanical woes from long term storage: Frozen pinch rollers - the left hand one was VERY frozen and took ages to free off. During the rebuild, I noticed that the flywheels seemed to rub on the base plate - the thrust washers were there but look quite flat. QUESTION: Is it normal to have to bend these back to shape along the crease lines to get the required clearance? The worst ISSUE that I have had to deal with is the retaining screw clamp affair that holds the end of the eject cable in place and allows tensioning / adjustment, had broken off. This was repaired with a metal u shaped bracket that had a hole in the top so the adjustment screw could be in the normal place and the bracket was then screwed to the sides of the plastic housing - taking care not to foul the cable end, and being small enough to fit within the plate sandwich. Difficult to explain very well, but I can supply a photo should anyone else have this repair to do. My spare 482 transport also had one half of the plastic top piece cracked so will need a similar repair. Probably why the design changed for later decks. Many Thanks, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Tue Apr 30 18:41:00 2013 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:41:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel In-Reply-To: <1367243236.34093.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201304291103.r3TAtVa3017819@zxe.naks.com>, <1367243236.34093.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, all, and especially Kevin. I wonder if, at your convenience, Kevin, you could share with us the tape brands, types, and years of manufacture that suffer from the dreaded sticky shedding phenomenon.Anyone newly discovering open reel will most certainly benefit from this knowledge, as cleaning the heads, rollers, and guides is no picnic, as all of us who've ever had to do it in archiving old material know so well! If I may, I'll get the list going with the notoriously screechy/sheddy Ampex 406 (1.5 mil) and 407 (1.0 mil) professional tapes produced in the 70's/early 80s. Steer a VERY wide course around this stuff. Steve Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:47:16 -0700 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel Ashvin, Now that you've dazzled us with your knowledge of metal particles and binding of magnetic tape, the point still stands that the predominance of problems with old tape revolve around SSS. It's well documented even down to brands and yrs of manufacture. Since 1/4" LPR35 is a entry level RMGI new tape, it has all the advantages over 40+yr old tape, especially the brands and yrs known to cause SSS. It's also hotter and better spec-ed. So, it's not like I'm suggesting to buy the more expensive, studio master RMGI or ATR tape for an old machine that someone pays $40 for...I'm just suggesting that if someone is going to restore a machine and do reasonably serious recording, have it calibrated for a tape like LPR35. Most of us serious reelers have done exactly that. Use the RMGI and ATR master tapes for live recordings of value. Kevin ________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:06:34 -0500 From: ashvin srivastava Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel To: Kevin Fetner , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, I want to make a couple of comments on magnetic tape (oxide or metal particle) 1.) Essentially the hyteretic curve of ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic particle based tapes is very well understood. The crystal physics is fundamentally well understood since the late 60's. Most of the variations on the B-H hysteretic curve was a function of crystal, cation-modifications in the crystal as it related to "poly-crystallinf" grains. Over the years the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long time. 2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial glue/binder is. If this happens under stable studio conditions it is really bad tape. Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." 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We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. Aloha, Cheryl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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Gabrenas On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them > and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this > is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality > equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of ashvin srivastava > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > > > How much are you charging > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is > interested. > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4fc1e/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 12 02:18:54 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:18:54 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: You've been outbid. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:42 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I will offer $2.00 Victor M. Gabrenas On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling > them and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know > this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to > price-quality equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of ashvin srivastava > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > > > How much are you charging > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone > is interested. > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4f > c1e/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Aug 12 03:36:24 2013 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:36:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <000901ce96fc$5f1e7680$1d5b6380$@math.utah.edu> Damn! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:19 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale You've been outbid. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:42 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I will offer $2.00 Victor M. Gabrenas On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling > them and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know > this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to > price-quality equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of ashvin srivastava > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > > > How much are you charging > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone > is interested. > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! 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http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Mon Aug 12 03:57:03 2013 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <000901ce96fc$5f1e7680$1d5b6380$@math.utah.edu> References: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> <000901ce96fc$5f1e7680$1d5b6380$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <1376272623.7793.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I am not surprised even though your bid might be just a joke today (otherwise, what else will you do on Sunday anyway, RIGHT ?) ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale Damn! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:19 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale You've been outbid.  -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:42 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I will offer $2.00 Victor M. Gabrenas On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling > them and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know > this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to > price-quality equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >    naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >    http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >    naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at >    naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > >  1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale >      (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >    sale > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > >  _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of ashvin srivastava > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > > > How much are you charging > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone > is interested. > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4f > c1e/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Aug 12 07:09:21 2013 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 23:09:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <1376272623.7793.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> <000901ce96fc$5f1e7680$1d5b6380$@math.utah.edu> <1376272623.7793.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401ce971a$1e910f10$5bb32d30$@math.utah.edu> Nice to see someone understood my jokeJ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I am not surprised even though your bid might be just a joke today (otherwise, what else will you do on Sunday anyway, RIGHT ?) From: Victor Gabrenas To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale Damn! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:19 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale You've been outbid. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:42 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I will offer $2.00 Victor M. Gabrenas On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling > them and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know > this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to > price-quality equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of ashvin srivastava > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > > > How much are you charging > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone > is interested. > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4f > c1e/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 02:23:40 2013 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: <04eb01ce9676$38fe4ba0$aafae2e0$@techno-link.com> Message-ID: <1376267020.50277.YahooMailNeo@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm thinking 3 dollars per tape or $ 30 plus shipping, if nobody else offers more.    Thomas. ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: echo at techno-link.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to     naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at     naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics:   1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale       (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for     sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know.   _____  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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URL: From roland.alford1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 02:26:06 2013 From: roland.alford1 at gmail.com (Roland Alford 1) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:26:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These are really just TDK standard bias tapes. These would be more of a novelty or maybe even a collectors item being NOS, a part of Nak history, but may not be anything special for recording on. - Roland -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 3:35 PM To: ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them > and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this > is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality > equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of ashvin srivastava > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > > > How much are you charging > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is > interested. > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4fc1e/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pinkert6 at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 02:26:28 2013 From: pinkert6 at gmail.com (brian pinkerton) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:26:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: <04eb01ce9676$38fe4ba0$aafae2e0$@techno-link.com> Message-ID: I would offer 15.00. On Aug 11, 2013 7:02 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them > and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this > is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality > equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of ashvin srivastava > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > > > How much are you charging > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is > interested. > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4fc1e/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 02:44:20 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> References: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <1376268260.57406.YahooMailNeo@web120902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Victor, come on man!  Ram. ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I will offer $2.00 Victor M. Gabrenas On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them > and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this > is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality > equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >    naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >    http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >    naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at >    naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > >  1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale >      (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >    sale > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > >  _____  > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of ashvin srivastava > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > > > How much are you charging > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is > interested. > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4fc1e/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 02:45:54 2013 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:45:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: 2:50? On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > You've been outbid. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Victor Gabrenas > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:42 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > I will offer $2.00 > > Victor M. Gabrenas > > > On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > > > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling > > them and she had no idea what they were worth. > > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV > > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > > sale > > > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know > > this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to > > price-quality equation. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > > naktalk at naks.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > naktalk-request at naks.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than > > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > > From: Cheryl Kaupp > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > > sale > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > > > _____ > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of ashvin srivastava > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > > sale > > > > > > > > How much are you charging > > > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone > > is interested. > > > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account > > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > > scrubbed... > > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4f > > c1e/at > > tachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account > > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > *************************************** > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account > > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HEY NSA! *kill president bomb CIA NSA FBI DOJ DOD DHS terrorist jihad nuke communist insurgency obama assassinate murder nuclear terrorize mcveigh struggle revolution genocide espionage sabotage arbitrage camouflage decoupage my friend raj al qaeda comrade infidel kidnap infiltrate exfiltrate rainbow dash pinkie pie rarity twilight sparkle applejack fluttershy* * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 03:18:49 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:18:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33553A40-5241-4735-8659-7C6C045B50A3@yahoo.com> Are we having Nakebay here? Please folks. Ram. On Aug 11, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > You've been outbid. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Victor Gabrenas > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:42 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > I will offer $2.00 > > Victor M. Gabrenas > > > On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >> >> >> They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling >> them and she had no idea what they were worth. >> She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV >> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >> sale >> >> I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know >> this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to >> price-quality equation. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com >> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 >> >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than >> "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale >> (Cheryl Kaupp) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 >> From: Cheryl Kaupp >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >> sale >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. >> >> _____ >> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of ashvin srivastava >> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >> sale >> >> >> >> How much are you charging >> >> On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: >> >> >> >> Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone >> is interested. >> >> Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. >> >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account >> here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4f >> c1e/at >> tachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account >> here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> >> >> End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 >> *************************************** >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account >> here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From daniel.botelho at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 03:45:19 2013 From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:45:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: Well I think we can stop playing games at this point. ;) If you really want to know what they are selling for, go have a look on ebay. Fishing for the highest offers is silly, as it doesn't take a lot of brain power to do a quick search online to find out the going rate. Better yet, have a look: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-NAKAMICHI-SX-C90-Tandberg-Akai-Cassette-Tape-/300908105683?pt=US_Audio_Tapes&hash=item460f854fd3 If each one went for $23.89, It's not going to be tough to do the math on this one. :) I don't think they are worth it, but some would want it for it's rare value. I personally wouldn't pay more than $60 for 10 plus shipping... On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > You've been outbid. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Victor Gabrenas > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:42 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > sale > > I will offer $2.00 > > Victor M. Gabrenas > > > On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > > > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling > > them and she had no idea what they were worth. > > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV > > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > > sale > > > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know > > this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to > > price-quality equation. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > > naktalk at naks.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > naktalk-request at naks.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than > > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > (Cheryl Kaupp) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 > > From: Cheryl Kaupp > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > > sale > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > > > _____ > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of ashvin srivastava > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for > > sale > > > > > > > > How much are you charging > > > > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > > > > > > > > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone > > is interested. > > > > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account > > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > > scrubbed... > > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4f > > c1e/at > > tachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account > > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > *************************************** > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account > > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.botelho at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 03:49:30 2013 From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:49:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: Err, wrong link... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NAKAMICHI-REFERENCE-EXII-C90-MC-CASSETTE-NEW-VERY-RARE-/180689566334 Certainly still overpriced at 31 euros...for a normal bias tape, no less. On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Daniel Botelho wrote: > Well I think we can stop playing games at this point. ;) > > If you really want to know what they are selling for, go have a look on > ebay. Fishing for the highest offers is silly, as it doesn't take a lot of > brain power to do a quick search online to find out the going rate. > > Better yet, have a look: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-NAKAMICHI-SX-C90-Tandberg-Akai-Cassette-Tape-/300908105683?pt=US_Audio_Tapes&hash=item460f854fd3 > > If each one went for $23.89, It's not going to be tough to do the math on > this one. :) I don't think they are worth it, but some would want it for > it's rare value. > > I personally wouldn't pay more than $60 for 10 plus shipping... > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >> >> You've been outbid. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Victor Gabrenas >> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:42 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >> sale >> >> I will offer $2.00 >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas >> >> >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling >> > them and she had no idea what they were worth. >> > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> > Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV >> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >> > sale >> > >> > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know >> > this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to >> > price-quality equation. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com >> > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 >> > >> > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> > naktalk at naks.com >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > naktalk-request at naks.com >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > naktalk-owner at naks.com >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than >> > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> > >> > >> > Naktalk digest mailing list >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale >> > (Cheryl Kaupp) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 >> > From: Cheryl Kaupp >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >> > sale >> > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> > Message-ID: >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > >> > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> > Behalf Of ashvin srivastava >> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for >> > sale >> > >> > >> > >> > How much are you charging >> > >> > On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone >> > is interested. >> > >> > Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. >> > >> > Aloha, >> > Cheryl >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> > account >> > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> > ==== >> > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> > scrubbed... >> > URL: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130810/fbd4f >> > c1e/at >> > tachment-0001.html >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> > account >> > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> > ==== >> > >> > >> > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 >> > *************************************** >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> > account >> > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> > ==== >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> > ==== >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account >> here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 12 04:48:13 2013 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:48:13 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <1376272623.7793.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <9B959830-5737-4D8F-8551-A937494A83CB@math.utah.edu>, , <000901ce96fc$5f1e7680$1d5b6380$@math.utah.edu>, <1376272623.7793.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: True. I wish this nonsense on a petty purchase would stop and that Naktalk will go back to technical issues. Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:57:03 -0700 From: lenaw at flash.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: naktalk at naks.com I am not surprised even though your bid might be just a joke today (otherwise, what else will you do on Sunday anyway, RIGHT ?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Mon Aug 12 09:29:00 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:29:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <1376267020.50277.YahooMailNeo@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <04eb01ce9676$38fe4ba0$aafae2e0$@techno-link.com> <1376267020.50277.YahooMailNeo@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04576BD5-A38C-46DA-B69E-D9DC2929504A@ziggo.nl> Do you only sell the complete box or can i order 3 tapes? Then i offer you a 4 dollars a tape plus shipping makes 12 dollar plus shipping for 3 tapes Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 12 aug. 2013 om 02:23 heeft thomas het volgende geschreven: > I'm thinking 3 dollars per tape or $ 30 plus shipping, if nobody else offers more. Thomas. > > From: Cheryl Kaupp > To: echo at techno-link.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:35 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > > > They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them > and she had no idea what they were worth. > She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of VLADO ANGELOV > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale > > I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this > is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality > equation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 12 18:09:28 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 06:09:28 -1000 Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: She got a few GOOD offers so this thread is DONE. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian pinkerton Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I would offer 15.00. On Aug 11, 2013 7:02 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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URL: From patty at jbrudy.com Mon Aug 12 18:43:59 2013 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:43:59 -0700 Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A3548C8A1C74A1B81BD1C1952CAB2F1@UserPC> TO ALL, CHERLY WAS DOING ME A GOOD FAVOR. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER ME FROM NAKAMICH PARTS DEPARTMENT PATTY BERETTA. I DON'T OWN A COMPUTER AT HOME AND I SPEND ENOUGH TIME HERE AT WORK ON ONE. ALSO, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO USE E-BAY AND WOULD RATHER PEOPLE THAT APPR. NAKAMICH FOR WHAT IS WAS HAVE CRACK AT THEM. I WAS WITH NAKAMICHI FOR 16YRS AND WAS ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIES TO WORK FOR BEFORE THE TAKE OVER, WHICH I WAS THERE FOR ALSO. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OFFERS. AND YES I STILL HAVE SEREVAL OF MY OWN UNITS I STILL LOVE AND LISTEN TO. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:09 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale She got a few GOOD offers so this thread is DONE. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian pinkerton Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I would offer 15.00. On Aug 11, 2013 7:02 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Aug 12 18:45:22 2013 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:45:22 -0600 Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008701ce977b$5a333500$0e999f00$@math.utah.edu> Thank you for shopping on Naktalk! From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:09 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale She got a few GOOD offers so this thread is DONE. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian pinkerton Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I would offer 15.00. On Aug 11, 2013 7:02 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 12 19:21:25 2013 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <4A3548C8A1C74A1B81BD1C1952CAB2F1@UserPC> References: <4A3548C8A1C74A1B81BD1C1952CAB2F1@UserPC> Message-ID: <1376328085.43423.YahooMailNeo@web181701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Patty Beretta, boy, that's a blast from the past! I remember buying parts from you several times. I don't think you ever had to look any of those part numbers up, you seemed to have them all in your head. Good to hear you are still around. Whoever you work for is lucky to have you!  Take care, Warren ________________________________ From: Patty To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:43 PM Subject: RE: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale TO ALL,   CHERLY WAS DOING ME A GOOD FAVOR.  SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER ME FROM NAKAMICH PARTS DEPARTMENT  PATTY BERETTA.  I DON’T OWN A COMPUTER AT HOME AND I SPEND ENOUGH TIME HERE AT WORK ON ONE.  ALSO, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO USE E-BAY AND WOULD RATHER PEOPLE THAT APPR. NAKAMICH FOR WHAT IS WAS HAVE CRACK AT THEM.    I WAS WITH NAKAMICHI FOR 16YRS AND WAS ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIES TO WORK FOR BEFORE THE TAKE OVER, WHICH I WAS THERE FOR ALSO.   THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OFFERS. AND YES I STILL HAVE SEREVAL OF MY OWN UNITS I STILL LOVE AND LISTEN TO.   ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:09 AM To: ' Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ' Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale   She got a few GOOD offers so this thread is DONE. ck   ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian pinkerton Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I would offer 15.00. On Aug 11, 2013 7:02 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to         naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit         http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to         naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at         naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics:    1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale       (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for         sale To: "' Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks '" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know.   _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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URL: From scott.h.garner at lmco.com Mon Aug 12 20:21:08 2013 From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:21:08 +0000 Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <4A3548C8A1C74A1B81BD1C1952CAB2F1@UserPC> References: <4A3548C8A1C74A1B81BD1C1952CAB2F1@UserPC> Message-ID: Patty, I doubt if you would remember me but this is Scott from Coatesville, remember the town where everyone wears a coat. I just wanted to say the out of all the service department people I dealt with over the years you where one of the friendliest. I hope you are doing well. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Patty Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:44 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale TO ALL, CHERLY WAS DOING ME A GOOD FAVOR. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER ME FROM NAKAMICH PARTS DEPARTMENT PATTY BERETTA. I DON'T OWN A COMPUTER AT HOME AND I SPEND ENOUGH TIME HERE AT WORK ON ONE. ALSO, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO USE E-BAY AND WOULD RATHER PEOPLE THAT APPR. NAKAMICH FOR WHAT IS WAS HAVE CRACK AT THEM. I WAS WITH NAKAMICHI FOR 16YRS AND WAS ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIES TO WORK FOR BEFORE THE TAKE OVER, WHICH I WAS THERE FOR ALSO. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OFFERS. AND YES I STILL HAVE SEREVAL OF MY OWN UNITS I STILL LOVE AND LISTEN TO. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:09 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale She got a few GOOD offers so this thread is DONE. ck ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian pinkerton Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I would offer 15.00. On Aug 11, 2013 7:02 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" > wrote: They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" > wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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URL: From patty at jbrudy.com Mon Aug 12 23:42:17 2013 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:42:17 -0700 Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE:Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4A3548C8A1C74A1B81BD1C1952CAB2F1@UserPC> Message-ID: <1C8715AEFC974B7FB89AC75D499A0738@UserPC> THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLAINMENT. AND I STILL HAVE MY SENCE OF HUMOR, HOWEVER I DO PURCHASING/ WITH SOME CUSTOMER SERVICE WHERE I AM AT NOW.. AND YES I DO REMEMBER YOU, JOHN B RUDY CO. LOOK ME YOU. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Garner, Scott H Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE:Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale Patty, I doubt if you would remember me but this is Scott from Coatesville, remember the town where everyone wears a coat. I just wanted to say the out of all the service department people I dealt with over the years you where one of the friendliest. I hope you are doing well. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Patty Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:44 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale TO ALL, CHERLY WAS DOING ME A GOOD FAVOR. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER ME FROM NAKAMICH PARTS DEPARTMENT PATTY BERETTA. I DON'T OWN A COMPUTER AT HOME AND I SPEND ENOUGH TIME HERE AT WORK ON ONE. ALSO, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO USE E-BAY AND WOULD RATHER PEOPLE THAT APPR. NAKAMICH FOR WHAT IS WAS HAVE CRACK AT THEM. I WAS WITH NAKAMICHI FOR 16YRS AND WAS ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIES TO WORK FOR BEFORE THE TAKE OVER, WHICH I WAS THERE FOR ALSO. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OFFERS. AND YES I STILL HAVE SEREVAL OF MY OWN UNITS I STILL LOVE AND LISTEN TO. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:09 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale She got a few GOOD offers so this thread is DONE. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian pinkerton Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I would offer 15.00. On Aug 11, 2013 7:02 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Tue Aug 13 07:46:11 2013 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:46:11 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Cassette Deck References: Message-ID: Don't know about Ebay, but locally in NZ = @$215.00, and given the condition, original box etc, might have fetched a little more down here. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 4:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Cassette Deck Never seen a 480 go for this much on Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-480-MINT-I-Purchased-NEW-1981-82-All-Packaging-Literature-/171095986515?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item27d61d9153 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrsifontes at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 01:34:26 2013 From: jrsifontes at gmail.com (Jose Sifontes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:34:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <201308121440.r7CEWrSm005922@zxe.naks.com> References: <201308121440.r7CEWrSm005922@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I have a Nak 580 bezel (front fascia) including meters in great condition available to anyone who needs it. Just pay shipping. Namikis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanuys at gam.co.za Tue Aug 13 16:43:45 2013 From: ryanuys at gam.co.za (Ryan Uys) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:43:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] getting my ZX9 up and running In-Reply-To: <51DDAA35.9090103@marrscom.com> References: <51DDAA35.9090103@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <520A4621.6080908@gam.co.za> Hi all, This is my first real posting to Naktalk. I'm based in South Africa where upper end Naks are very scarce. I started out with a very beaten up 680ZX, but last year a fellow enthusiast stumbled across an estate sale where they were clearing out what must have been a serious collector's stash. It included : 7 x dragon 1 x ZX9 1 x RX505 1 x 1000ZXL 2 x CR7 25 x original test tapes and alignment jigs. He paid about $750 for the lot, but all the decks were in as-is state, and nothing operated. After gently pestered the guy for about a year, and 6 months ago he relented and sold me 5 of the dragons, plus the ZX9 for $750, and was well pleased with his sale. Of the stash I got, the ZX9 is cosmetically excellent, and powered up, but the belts were a pile of goo at the bottom. 2 of the Dragons are very promising, one has a sticker from the mid 1990's indicating alignment and cal by Stephen Sank. A further 2 of the Dragons are probably ressurectable, and the 5th is an incomplete parts donor. Now, the ZX9 has my attention at the moment. I got belt kits from Marrs, and I carefully installed a kit in the ZX9, which has resulted in mechanical operation being correct. Playback sound quality is excellent. When I tried recording, the bias and level setting procedure worked just fine initially, as did recording. After about 30 mins the recording became more and more contaminated with crackling as I would expect from dying capacitors. At this time the level oscillator also appeared not to work anymore, although the 15kHz osc seemed fine. I guess this is orange cap problems? My question is, which caps should I replace, or should I replace all of them? I do have quite a bit of electronics experience, and I'm not scared of the job. I have access to a nice oscilloscope, and a selection of ABEX test tapes including level, azimuth, speed and FR. I must still work on my fellow enthusiast about those 25 Nak units..... Thanks, Ryan From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Aug 13 18:13:11 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] getting my ZX9 up and running In-Reply-To: <520A4621.6080908@gam.co.za> References: <51DDAA35.9090103@marrscom.com> <520A4621.6080908@gam.co.za> Message-ID: <1376410391.26104.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would test (and replace if bad) the 4 film caps in the oscillator circuit. If this fixes the problem, I would then go through the bias frequency and erase current adjustment procedure per the service manual. manual. I would also check the electrolytic cap connected to the oscillator transformer center tap (probably good, but just to make sure). Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Ryan Uys >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:43 AM >Subject: [naktalk] getting my ZX9 up and running > > >Hi all, > >This is my first real posting to Naktalk. I'm based in South Africa >where upper end Naks are very scarce. I started out with a very beaten >up 680ZX, but last year a fellow enthusiast stumbled across an estate >sale where they were clearing out what must have been a serious >collector's stash. It included : >7 x dragon >1 x ZX9 >1 x RX505 >1 x 1000ZXL >2 x CR7 >25 x original test tapes and alignment jigs. >He paid about $750 for the lot, but all the decks were in as-is state, >and nothing operated. > >After gently pestered the guy for about a year, and 6 months ago he >relented and sold me 5 of the dragons, plus the ZX9 for $750, and was >well pleased with his sale. > >Of the stash I got, the ZX9 is cosmetically excellent, and powered up, >but the belts were a pile of goo at the bottom. 2 of the Dragons are >very promising, one has a sticker from the mid 1990's indicating >alignment and cal by Stephen Sank. A further 2 of the Dragons are >probably ressurectable, and the 5th is an incomplete parts donor. > >Now, the ZX9 has my attention at the moment. I got belt kits from Marrs, >and I carefully installed a kit in the ZX9, which has resulted in >mechanical operation being correct. Playback sound quality is excellent. >When I tried recording, the bias and level setting procedure worked just >fine initially, as did recording. After about 30 mins the recording >became more and more contaminated with crackling as I would expect from >dying capacitors. At this time the level oscillator also appeared not to >work anymore, although the 15kHz osc seemed fine. > >I guess this is orange cap problems? > >My question is, which caps should I replace, or should I replace all of >them? I do have quite a bit of electronics experience, and I'm not >scared of the job. I have access to a nice oscilloscope, and a selection >of ABEX test tapes including level, azimuth, speed and FR. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 14 00:14:10 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] getting my ZX9 up and running In-Reply-To: <520A4621.6080908@gam.co.za> References: <51DDAA35.9090103@marrscom.com> <520A4621.6080908@gam.co.za> Message-ID: <1376432050.27308.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ryan,  Naks and Biltong! I would advise that you change all the orange and the power electrolytic caps on the power supply. Polystyrene caps for the orange film caps and Muse caps for the power supply are good replacements. The power caps are located on the back left corner of the deck.  Once you have done that, follow through the electronic alignment steps in the manual to make sure the deck meets specs. The ZX9 is a beautiful deck and a fine sounding machine.  Enjoy your spoils! Cheers,  Bala  ________________________________ From: Ryan Uys To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] getting my ZX9 up and running Hi all, This is my first real posting to Naktalk. I'm based in South Africa where upper end Naks are very scarce. I started out with a very beaten up 680ZX, but last year a fellow enthusiast stumbled across an estate sale where they were clearing out what must have been a serious collector's stash. It included : 7 x dragon 1 x ZX9 1 x RX505 1 x 1000ZXL 2 x CR7 25 x original test tapes and alignment jigs. He paid about $750 for the lot, but all the decks were in as-is state, and nothing operated. After gently pestered the guy for about a year, and 6 months ago he relented and sold me 5 of the dragons, plus the ZX9 for $750, and was well pleased with his sale. Of the stash I got, the ZX9 is cosmetically excellent, and powered up, but the belts were a pile of goo at the bottom. 2 of the Dragons are very promising, one has a sticker from the mid 1990's indicating alignment and cal by Stephen Sank. A further 2 of the Dragons are probably ressurectable, and the 5th is an incomplete parts donor. Now, the ZX9 has my attention at the moment. I got belt kits from Marrs, and I carefully installed a kit in the ZX9, which has resulted in mechanical operation being correct. Playback sound quality is excellent. When I tried recording, the bias and level setting procedure worked just fine initially, as did recording. After about 30 mins the recording became more and more contaminated with crackling as I would expect from dying capacitors. At this time the level oscillator also appeared not to work anymore, although the 15kHz osc seemed fine. I guess this is orange cap problems? My question is, which caps should I replace, or should I replace all of them? 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I probably have 20+ of these tapes. $2.50 each, includes Media Mail postage -- a variety of once-used, new-era (late 1990s) Maxell UDXLII 90 and 100s, and a few TDK SA 90 and 100s, also new-era. I have 20+ of these, too. -- Tom Fine From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 21:01:13 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:01:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 530 receiver Message-ID: <2C41ADF1-DD19-4FC0-AF2E-573A15ACCB5D@gmail.com> Hi all, A little off topic but still a Nak. I am working on a Nakamichi receiver model N530. There are missing some parts inside this machine from the lamp holder. Are there people with parts as far as we know? Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad From stefolof at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 11:44:53 2013 From: stefolof at gmail.com (Stefan Olofsson) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:44:53 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682ZX looking for some love Message-ID: Auctioning out this mighty fine machine that I unfortunately don't have time to maintain anymore. In need of restoration. More information here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171104849356 All best, Stefan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbianduke13 at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 14:03:50 2013 From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:03:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682ZX looking for some love In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Stefan, can you give your last price for shipping to Serbia? That price will include your price and price of shipping. Thanks, Dragan On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Stefan Olofsson wrote: > Auctioning out this mighty fine machine that I unfortunately don't have > time to maintain anymore. In need of restoration. More information here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171104849356 > > All best, > Stefan > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sat Aug 17 12:07:42 2013 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:07:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any one for a trio of DR-2's on Ebay.. Message-ID: <006901ce9b31$9cfd1ea0$d6f75be0$@com> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=111141738701&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=111141777544&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=111141761373&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From echo at techno-link.com Sat Aug 17 18:16:15 2013 From: echo at techno-link.com (VLADO ANGELOV) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:16:15 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 682ZX looking for some love Message-ID: <001e01ce9b65$19f51f60$4ddf5e20$@techno-link.com> Hi Stefan, Your ad at the bay is incomplete & misleading regarding postage - US - Local Pickup available, Greece - US $130.00 - Economy Int'l Shipping What is your postage fee for Greece or is a Local Pickup for Volos Greece available? Thanks, Vlado -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 9 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Nakamichi 682ZX looking for some love (Stefan Olofsson) 2. Re: Nakamichi 682ZX looking for some love (Dragan Vojvodic) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:44:53 +0300 From: Stefan Olofsson Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682ZX looking for some love To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Auctioning out this mighty fine machine that I unfortunately don't have time to maintain anymore. In need of restoration. More information here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171104849356 All best, Stefan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130816/2b9949fd/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 9 *************************************** From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Thu Aug 22 01:23:41 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:23:41 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] GennLab.com update Message-ID: Hello to everyone on the list. FYI I set up and calibrated a Reel-to-Reel Calibration Tape production station. Tapes, recorded to the following Equalization Standards can be ordered. For 30in/s (76.2 cm/sec) speed: Ampex Professional Equipment; CCIR (1953 or earlier to 1966); IEC (1968); DIN (1962). For 15 in/s (38.1 cm/sec) speed: NAB (1953 and 1965); EIA (1963); IEC (1968); DIN (1962); CCIR (1953 or earlier to 1966). For 7-1/2 in/s (19.05 cm/sec) speed: Ampex Professional Equipment; NAB (1965); RIAA (1968); EIA (1963); DIN home equipment (1966); EIA Standards Proposal 1015; Ampex Stereo Tapes and Consumer Equipment (1967); CCIR (before 1966); CCIR (1966); IEC (before 1968); IEC (1968); DIN Studio (before 1966); DIN Studio (1966). For 3-3/4 in/s (9.525 cm/sec) speed: EIA (1959); Ampex Professional Equipment (1953 to 1958); Ampex Professional Equipment (1959); DIN (1962); EIA Standards Proposal 1015; Ampex Stereo Tapes and Consumer Equipment (1967), NAB (1965); RIAA (1968); IEC (1964); IEC (1968). For 1-7/8 in/s (4.7625 cm/sec) speed: Ampex Consumer Products; DIN (1966); IEC (1968); RIAA (1968). Duration of each tape 7 min 26sec. Each track is voice announced. The following tracks are included: Track 1. 1000 Hz at Reference Fluxivity. Track 2. 8000 Hz. Coarse azimuth set. Track3. 15000 Hz. Fine azimuth set. Track 4. 1000 Hz at +12.7 dB level. It is recorded precisely between Track 1 and Track 3 of a 4-track tape, or between the left and right channel tracks of a 4-track stereo tape. This signal can be used for quick calibration of Reproduction Head height of a 4-track tape recorder. Adjust the Reproduction Head height to obtain MINIMUM reading of the output signal for both channels. Repeat this step and the "Fine azimuth set" step few times. Track 5 to Track 20. Frequency Response Test. It is recorded at 0 dBref level for 30 in/s (76.2 cm/sec)speed and for 15 in/s (38.1 cm/sec) speed, at -10 dBref level for 7-1/2 in/s (19.05 cm/sec) speed and for 3-3/4 in/s (9.525 cm/sec) speed, at -20 dBref level for 1-7/8 in/s (4.7625 cm/sec) speed. Track 5. 400 Hz Reference level. Track 6. 31.5 Hz. Track 7. 50 Hz. Track 8. 100 Hz. Track 9. 200 Hz. Track 10. 400 Hz. Track 11. 800 Hz. Track 12. 1000 Hz. Track 13. 2000 Hz. Track 14. 4000 Hz. Track 15. 8000 Hz. Track 16. 10000 Hz. The last frequency for 1-7/8 in/s (4.7625 cm/sec) speed. Track 17. 12500 Hz. Track 18. 15000 Hz. The last frequency for 3-3/4 in/s (9.525 cm/sec) speed. Track 19. 18000 Hz. Track20. 20000 Hz. Track 21. 1000 Hz at Reference Fluxivity. Please visit the http://www.gennlab.com/rtr_tapes.html website for more information. Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand From geoffgmfisher at hotmail.com Thu Aug 22 12:58:54 2013 From: geoffgmfisher at hotmail.com (Geoff Fisher) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:58:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking a T301 bias oscillator for a Nakamichi 480 Message-ID: Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, I'm in dire need of a T301 bias oscillator to complete the restoration of a much loved Nakamichi 480 that I have owned since 1985. We've been through a lot together! Sadly, my 480's bias oscillator is damaged. If you have a T301 from a 480 parts deck that you'd be willing to sell, please email me. It will most likely have B-6613 stamped on it. Any assistance genuinely appreciated. Rgds, Geoff Australia From patty at jbrudy.com Thu Aug 22 13:38:47 2013 From: patty at jbrudy.com (patty at jbrudy.com) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 04:38:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ***Please Read***OUT OF THE OFFICE Message-ID: <7020f5411f0a463891116589c37470cb@719079b244fa42d8b1b3fe5b3900c982> I WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE 8/21 AND 8/22 AND WILL BE RETURNING ON 8/23. IF CONFIRMING A MANUFACTURING PO PLEASE RESEND TO ( janille at jbrudy.com ) IF SENDING ORDERS PLEASE SEND TO ( rick at jbrudy.com ) OR YOU MAY CALL (800) 527-9473 THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. PATTY BERETTA From timpamsepper at cox.net Thu Aug 22 18:52:49 2013 From: timpamsepper at cox.net (timpamsepper at cox.net) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:52:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-5 on ebay Message-ID: <37832368-1377190370-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2049003546-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Timothy Sepper" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:32:44 To: 'Tim and Pam Sepper' Subject: FW: Nak DR-5 on ebay Fellow Nakkers, Just thought I would let I would let the Nakamichi community know that there is a DR-5 cassette deck on ebay, item no. 330997240562, along with its matching RE-5 receiver, CD-5 player, but only one SP-5 speaker from the same seller. Here is the link below for the DR-5. I am not connected with this sale, nor know anything about the seller.just passing on this info. Good pictures of the DR-5, which I see is the only cassette deck missing its picture from Naks.com. Time to update. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-DR-5-Cassette-Deck-/330997240562?pt=US_Hom e_Audio_Cassette_Decks &hash=item4d10f912f2 I had been looking for one of these rare systems for awhile for my office but instead gave up and settled on a refurbished Onkyo CS-345 system from Accessories4Less. The Onkyo is very nice, but no cassette player, which I don't need anyway. It is not too deep so actually fits in a 12" deep bookcase.rare. Still, the Nak system is very tempting nonetheless. Perhaps for my workshop.hmm. Tim Sepper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 21:11:17 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:11:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 610 In-Reply-To: <37832368-1377190370-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2049003546-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <37832368-1377190370-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2049003546-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1F6A62BE-E874-4BD5-B31F-0D46AB1005CB@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I'm looking for a black NAK 610. There's one on eBay, but I had a fishy experience asking about the condition and then googled the seller only to find out I wasn't the first. If anybody has a spare, please let me know! Also looking for an RM-9 control unit for when I get the 610. Thanks, Kaz From avss01 at gmail.com Thu Aug 22 22:54:04 2013 From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:54:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking a T301 bias oscillator for a Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Geoff I have a 481 parts deck at work which should have the same oscillator. I will have a look when I get in. You can have it if it matches. I am in Toowoomba Qld. Contact me on the following:- kingd at usq.edu.au Regards David On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Geoff Fisher wrote: > Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, > > I'm in dire need of a T301 bias oscillator to complete the restoration of > a much loved Nakamichi 480 that I have owned since 1985. We've been through > a lot together! Sadly, my 480's bias oscillator is damaged. If you have a > T301 from a 480 parts deck that you'd be willing to sell, please email me. > It will most likely have B-6613 stamped on it. > > Any assistance genuinely appreciated. > > Rgds, > > Geoff > Australia > > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Fri Aug 23 16:16:05 2013 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 610 In-Reply-To: <201308231002.r7NA04vK009695@zxe.naks.com> References: <201308231002.r7NA04vK009695@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8D06E2270765655-1020-1797@webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com> Hi Kaz, 610's do appear on the Bay occasionally but are never inexpensive. Checking the SOLD listings showed four or five that have sold recently with all but one going for big money and the one that was reasonable had incorrect knobs and considerable wear. Patience will eventually reward you but they are out there, especially if you don't mind paying the big money. Are you trying to piece together a SYSTEM 1? Complete SYSTEM 1's show up on the Bay a couple of times per year but go for SERIOUSLY big money! And shipping a whole system is also expensive and risky to receive it undamaged. But they are out there. I would LOVE to have a complete SYSTEM 1 but the only pieces I have ever come across that were affordable for me is the 600/600II cassette decks, which are awesome and sound better than their mechanicals have a right to by the way. Dan Attached Message From: Kazys Varnelis To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak 610 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:11:17 -0400 Hi everyone, I'm looking for a black NAK 610. There's one on eBay, but I had a fishy experience asking about the condition and then googled the seller only to find out I wasn't the first. If anybody has a spare, please let me know! Also looking for an RM-9 control unit for when I get the 610. Thanks, Kaz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Aug 23 18:01:29 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:01:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking a T301 bias oscillator for a Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also have one if the closer one doesn't pan out. Willy On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, avss01 wrote: > Hi Geoff > > I have a 481 parts deck at work which should have the same oscillator. I > will have a look when I get in. You can have it if it matches. I am in > Toowoomba Qld. Contact me on the following:- > > kingd at usq.edu.au > > Regards > > David > > > On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Geoff Fisher wrote: > >> Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, >> >> I'm in dire need of a T301 bias oscillator to complete the restoration of >> a much loved Nakamichi 480 that I have owned since 1985. We've been through >> a lot together! Sadly, my 480's bias oscillator is damaged. If you have a >> T301 from a 480 parts deck that you'd be willing to sell, please email me. >> It will most likely have B-6613 stamped on it. >> >> Any assistance genuinely appreciated. >> >> Rgds, >> >> Geoff >> Australia >> >> >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >> listinfo/naktalk >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 18:45:21 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:45:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 610 In-Reply-To: <8D06E2270765655-1020-1797@webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com> References: <201308231002.r7NA04vK009695@zxe.naks.com> <8D06E2270765655-1020-1797@webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9919D6CE-2B41-4EB5-8F15-CDE0EC366F01@gmail.com> Hi Dan, I do have a System One, and it's begging to be completed with either a 610 or a second amplifier. The first way is how I want to go. Thanks, I'm aware of the sold listings and wish I had been able to up the bid on the big money one. The current one is fishy. I have two 630 tuner/preamps though, which is how I got into this in the first place. i have a vintage Swedish stereo cabinet and it has a recessed area on top for a turntable. I eventually wall-mounted my turntable to deal with footfalls and junk began to accumulate in that are. I wanted an FM tuner more than a tape deck so I added the 630 since you can reach the controls from the top and was delighted with its look. Then I discovered the System One. Although it cost me a bit, it's also a great home office system. I'll sell my Peachtree Decco2 on Ebay and cover most of the cost, minus the 610. Once I get that plus an RM-9 adapter though, I'll be able to power speakers in the family room next to my office too, which will be nice. Kaz On Aug 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kaz, > > 610's do appear on the Bay occasionally but are never inexpensive. Checking the SOLD listings showed four or five that have sold recently with all but one going for big money and the one that was reasonable had incorrect knobs and considerable wear. Patience will eventually reward you but they are out there, especially if you don't mind paying the big money. Are you trying to piece together a SYSTEM 1? Complete SYSTEM 1's show up on the Bay a couple of times per year but go for SERIOUSLY big money! And shipping a whole system is also expensive and risky to receive it undamaged. But they are out there. I would LOVE to have a complete SYSTEM 1 but the only pieces I have ever come across that were affordable for me is the 600/600II cassette decks, which are awesome and sound better than their mechanicals have a right to by the way. > > Dan > > > Attached Message > From: Kazys Varnelis > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 610 > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:11:17 -0400 > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for a black NAK 610. There's one on eBay, but I had a fishy > experience asking about the condition and then googled the seller only to find > out I wasn't the first. > > If anybody has a spare, please let me know! Also looking for an RM-9 control > unit for when I get the 610. > > Thanks, > > Kaz > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 19:17:09 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (ashvin srivastava) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:17:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking a T301 bias oscillator for a Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Willy or others I need some knobs for my ZX9 Any suggestions please Ashvin On Aug 23, 2013 11:28 AM, "Willy Hermann" wrote: > I also have one if the closer one doesn't pan out. > Willy > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, avss01 wrote: > >> Hi Geoff >> >> I have a 481 parts deck at work which should have the same oscillator. I >> will have a look when I get in. You can have it if it matches. I am in >> Toowoomba Qld. Contact me on the following:- >> >> kingd at usq.edu.au >> >> Regards >> >> David >> >> >> On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Geoff Fisher wrote: >> >>> Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, >>> >>> I'm in dire need of a T301 bias oscillator to complete the restoration >>> of a much loved Nakamichi 480 that I have owned since 1985. We've been >>> through a lot together! Sadly, my 480's bias oscillator is damaged. If you >>> have a T301 from a 480 parts deck that you'd be willing to sell, please >>> email me. It will most likely have B-6613 stamped on it. >>> >>> Any assistance genuinely appreciated. >>> >>> Rgds, >>> >>> Geoff >>> Australia >>> >>> >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>> listinfo/naktalk >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Aug 23 22:19:11 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:19:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking a T301 bias oscillator for a Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A fairly usual part to need since they're design is fragile. I've never found a good replacement. Anyone out there? Willy On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:17 AM, ashvin srivastava wrote: > Willy or others > I need some knobs for my ZX9 > > Any suggestions please > Ashvin > On Aug 23, 2013 11:28 AM, "Willy Hermann" > wrote: > >> I also have one if the closer one doesn't pan out. >> Willy >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, avss01 wrote: >> >>> Hi Geoff >>> >>> I have a 481 parts deck at work which should have the same oscillator. >>> I will have a look when I get in. You can have it if it matches. I am in >>> Toowoomba Qld. Contact me on the following:- >>> >>> kingd at usq.edu.au >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Geoff Fisher wrote: >>> >>>> Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, >>>> >>>> I'm in dire need of a T301 bias oscillator to complete the restoration >>>> of a much loved Nakamichi 480 that I have owned since 1985. We've been >>>> through a lot together! Sadly, my 480's bias oscillator is damaged. If you >>>> have a T301 from a 480 parts deck that you'd be willing to sell, please >>>> email me. It will most likely have B-6613 stamped on it. >>>> >>>> Any assistance genuinely appreciated. >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>>> listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 24 00:27:46 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:27:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking a T301 bias oscillator for a Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0B057C-7918-48A0-9F6A-3A56E3FC3C93@yahoo.com> The best way to preserve them from cracking is to fit heat shrink around the long stems. I find them too thin and prone to cracking when torsion is applied. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 24/08/2013, at 3:17 AM, ashvin srivastava wrote: > Willy or others > I need some knobs for my ZX9 > > Any suggestions please > Ashvin > > On Aug 23, 2013 11:28 AM, "Willy Hermann" wrote: >> I also have one if the closer one doesn't pan out. >> Willy >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, avss01 wrote: >>> Hi Geoff >>> >>> I have a 481 parts deck at work which should have the same oscillator. I will have a look when I get in. You can have it if it matches. I am in Toowoomba Qld. Contact me on the following:- >>> >>> kingd at usq.edu.au >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Geoff Fisher wrote: >>>> Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, >>>> >>>> I'm in dire need of a T301 bias oscillator to complete the restoration of a much loved Nakamichi 480 that I have owned since 1985. We've been through a lot together! Sadly, my 480's bias oscillator is damaged. If you have a T301 from a 480 parts deck that you'd be willing to sell, please email me. It will most likely have B-6613 stamped on it. >>>> >>>> Any assistance genuinely appreciated. >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Aug 24 18:36:58 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:36:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 Message-ID: Hi, I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? Thanks and best regards Nadeem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffgmfisher at hotmail.com Sun Aug 25 02:19:40 2013 From: geoffgmfisher at hotmail.com (Geoff Fisher) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:19:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking a T301 bias oscillator for a Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Willy. And a very big thank you to everyone for all the offers of assistance I have received so far. I'm actually quite blown away by it. This is the first time I've ever posted anything to Naktalk and it's been an incredibly positive experience. Our beloved decks will surely never die while support like this continues to exist. Fantastic stuff. Regards, Geoff On 24/08/2013 2:01 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: > I also have one if the closer one doesn't pan out. > Willy > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, avss01 > wrote: > > Hi Geoff > > I have a 481 parts deck at work which should have the same > oscillator. I will have a look when I get in. You can have it if > it matches. I am in Toowoomba Qld. Contact me on the following:- > > kingd at usq.edu.au > > Regards > > David > > > On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Geoff Fisher wrote: > > Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, > > I'm in dire need of a T301 bias oscillator to complete the > restoration of a much loved Nakamichi 480 that I have owned > since 1985. We've been through a lot together! Sadly, my 480's > bias oscillator is damaged. If you have a T301 from a 480 > parts deck that you'd be willing to sell, please email me. It > will most likely have B-6613 stamped on it. > > Any assistance genuinely appreciated. > > Rgds, > > Geoff > Australia > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Sun Aug 25 04:00:05 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 22:00:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 610 In-Reply-To: <8D06E2270765655-1020-1797@webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com> References: <201308231002.r7NA04vK009695@zxe.naks.com> <8D06E2270765655-1020-1797@webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2F155CA8-AFDD-46B7-B1D3-80444F298A41@gmail.com> A nice one came up on eBay but it didn't last long. I decided to buy it now even though, (gulp!) it was $700, but that included a Nakamichi 620 amp too. It happens that I also wound up with a third 630 tuner/preamp so the amp and preamp make a second, rackless system one. Not exactly something I needed, but … Unlike the previous one he said it was in "stunning" condition. I can always sell the 620 for $250-$300 if I want. In that case, it'll be a lot better deal than the other unit currently on eBay. Now I need an RM-9 so I can hook up two more pairs of speakers!! On Aug 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kaz, > > 610's do appear on the Bay occasionally but are never inexpensive. Checking the SOLD listings showed four or five that have sold recently with all but one going for big money and the one that was reasonable had incorrect knobs and considerable wear. Patience will eventually reward you but they are out there, especially if you don't mind paying the big money. Are you trying to piece together a SYSTEM 1? Complete SYSTEM 1's show up on the Bay a couple of times per year but go for SERIOUSLY big money! And shipping a whole system is also expensive and risky to receive it undamaged. But they are out there. I would LOVE to have a complete SYSTEM 1 but the only pieces I have ever come across that were affordable for me is the 600/600II cassette decks, which are awesome and sound better than their mechanicals have a right to by the way. > > Dan > > > Attached Message > From: Kazys Varnelis > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 610 > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:11:17 -0400 > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for a black NAK 610. There's one on eBay, but I had a fishy > experience asking about the condition and then googled the seller only to find > out I wasn't the first. > > If anybody has a spare, please let me know! 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Aug 25 22:52:40 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1377463960.4580.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots without damaging anything: 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across     the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the     head side, making sure nothing is shorting. This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know  :-). Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 > > > > >Hi, > >I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. > >The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). > >The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. > >Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? > >Thanks and best regards >Nadeem > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Mon Aug 26 00:41:35 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:41:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 Message-ID: Thanks for the procedure Ron. It seems like quite a delicate piece of work which I think I won't be able to perform without ruining the deck. Instead, since you mentioned about high bias current I will try to remove the short from R513 and check if it makes any difference if the effect is opposite to what the deck is currently displaying then i will short the R514 (39ohm) and check again. I will report back as soon as i have tried it. Thanks again for your help. Regards Nadeem ________________________________ From: Ron Sent: 25/08/2013 22:35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots without damaging anything: 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the head side, making sure nothing is shorting. This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 > > > > >Hi, > >I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. > >The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). > >The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. > >Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? > >Thanks and best regards >Nadeem > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Mon Aug 26 10:27:35 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:27:35 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 References: <1377463960.4580.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive bias current." Did you mean recessive bias current? Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots without damaging anything: 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the head side, making sure nothing is shorting. This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mercedes Benz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 Hi, I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? 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I just wanted to say the out of all the service department people I dealt with over the years you where one of the friendliest. I hope you are doing well. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Patty Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:44 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale TO ALL, CHERLY WAS DOING ME A GOOD FAVOR. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER ME FROM NAKAMICH PARTS DEPARTMENT PATTY BERETTA. I DON'T OWN A COMPUTER AT HOME AND I SPEND ENOUGH TIME HERE AT WORK ON ONE. ALSO, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO USE E-BAY AND WOULD RATHER PEOPLE THAT APPR. NAKAMICH FOR WHAT IS WAS HAVE CRACK AT THEM. I WAS WITH NAKAMICHI FOR 16YRS AND WAS ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIES TO WORK FOR BEFORE THE TAKE OVER, WHICH I WAS THERE FOR ALSO. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OFFERS. AND YES I STILL HAVE SEREVAL OF MY OWN UNITS I STILL LOVE AND LISTEN TO. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:09 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: You can stop trolling NOW. RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale She got a few GOOD offers so this thread is DONE. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian pinkerton Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I would offer 15.00. On Aug 11, 2013 7:02 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: They are not mine -- I am not selling them. Someone I know is selling them and she had no idea what they were worth. She asked me to send an email offering the tapes. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of VLADO ANGELOV Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale I really do wonder why a seller asks a buyer for a price? We all know this is a rare and expensive item, but never corresponding to price-quality equation. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale (Cheryl Kaupp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:06:49 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ashvin srivastava Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 tapes for sale How much are you charging On Aug 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: Patty has an unopened box of 10 Nakamichi EXII-C90 cassettes if anyone is interested. Let me know how much you would pay for them and I'll let Patty know. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 19:04:14 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: <1377463960.4580.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1377623054.67808.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but he mentioned a shorted series resistor. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Gennady Lyskin >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >bias current." >Did you mean recessive bias current? > >Gennady Lyskin >  >G e n n L a b >http://www.gennlab.com >info at gennlab.com >Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >New Zealand >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Ron >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >> >>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>without damaging anything: >> >>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >> >>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know  :-). >> >>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>> >>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>> >>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>> >>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>> >>>Thanks and best regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>________________________________ >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Aug 27 21:08:19 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:08:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Message-ID: Hi Ron, Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. Regards Nadeem ________________________________ From: Ron Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but he mentioned a shorted series resistor. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Gennady Lyskin >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >bias current." >Did you mean recessive bias current? > >Gennady Lyskin >  >G e n n L a b >http://www.gennlab.com >info at gennlab.com >Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >New Zealand >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Ron >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >> >>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>without damaging anything: >> >>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >> >>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >> >>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>> >>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>> >>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>> >>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>> >>>Thanks and best regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>________________________________ >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 27 23:08:18 2013 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:08:18 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 480 playback In-Reply-To: References: <61E37C5F-14C0-4C12-9ED3-EB213B781674@rayhogan.net>, , , Message-ID: You can't go wrong with the HD-8 as even the used ones sell well on Ebay. My experience was the HD-8 worked well in all machines and usually sounding better (my opinion) than a TDK SA or even an SAX. The HD-8's had better highs as you're describing always sounded more "live" and "open". Yes, back in the day, the HD-8's were more expensive so I bought a few. My satisfaction with the TDK SA-90's were 100% satisfied in performance and value so that was my favorite tape. From: rhils at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:17:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 playback Willy, Years ago when I would record using Denon HD-8 or TDK HX-S tape in my 480 the playback always sounded more "live" and "open". It sounded better better than when using TDK SAX or Maxell UDXL II. Was that the tape itself or just the bias/eq setting? Thanks /listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 09:40:40 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 playback In-Reply-To: References: <61E37C5F-14C0-4C12-9ED3-EB213B781674@rayhogan.net>, , , Message-ID: <1377675640.95204.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 2nd the TDA-SAs! Cheers,  Bala  ________________________________ From: Mark Exstedt To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:08 AM Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 480 playback You can't go wrong with the HD-8 as even the used ones sell well on Ebay.   My experience was the HD-8 worked well in all machines and usually sounding better (my opinion) than a TDK SA or even an SAX. The HD-8's had better highs as you're describing always sounded more "live" and "open". Yes, back in the day, the HD-8's were more expensive so I bought a few. My satisfaction with the TDK SA-90's were 100% satisfied in performance and value so that was my favorite tape.   ________________________________ From: rhils at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:17:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 playback Willy, Years ago when I would record using Denon HD-8 or TDK HX-S tape in my 480 the playback always sounded more "live" and "open". It sounded better better than when using TDK SAX or Maxell UDXL II. Was that the tape itself or just the bias/eq setting? 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From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay Seller has Cat Scratching High Dollar Item Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:23:45 +1200 Simply to show that they have had a cat scan and are in purrfect condition....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Seller has Cat Scratching High Dollar Item Years ago, a Naktalk dude posted an Ebay listing showing a cat on top of cassette deck. Things have not gotten better. What's the advantage of this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acoustic-Research-AR-4x-AR4x-Speakers-New-Grills-Crosswovers-Refurbished-EXC-/231034745738?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item35cabe738a -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aburkhart at unilect.com Wed Aug 28 19:25:02 2013 From: aburkhart at unilect.com (Andrew Burkhart) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:25:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Seller has Cat Scratching High Dollar Item In-Reply-To: <0D04A9675BDF49CCB6FBF5ADD592FEDD@desktop> References: <40FD121C-5E49-483D-A448-A8511A634163@cox.net> <0D04A9675BDF49CCB6FBF5ADD592FEDD@desktop> Message-ID: <0D55BE06-62AC-424E-AF6E-DFFE6300B1E7@unilect.com> From Martin Short. What did you expect? ; ) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:23 AM, "Martin Short" wrote: > Simply to show that they have had a cat scan and are in purrfect condition....... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Exstedt > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:30 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Seller has Cat Scratching High Dollar Item > > > Years ago, a Naktalk dude posted an Ebay listing showing a cat on top of cassette deck. > Things have not gotten better. > What's the advantage of this? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acoustic-Research-AR-4x-AR4x-Speakers-New-Grills-Crosswovers-Refurbished-EXC-/231034745738?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item35cabe738a > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 21:23:33 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:23:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Seller has Cat Scratching High Dollar Item In-Reply-To: <0D55BE06-62AC-424E-AF6E-DFFE6300B1E7@unilect.com> References: <40FD121C-5E49-483D-A448-A8511A634163@cox.net> <0D04A9675BDF49CCB6FBF5ADD592FEDD@desktop> <0D55BE06-62AC-424E-AF6E-DFFE6300B1E7@unilect.com> Message-ID: Probably playing Ted Nugent. Sorry. Couldn't resist. On Aug 28, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Burkhart wrote: > From Martin Short. What did you expect? ; ) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:23 AM, "Martin Short" wrote: > >> Simply to show that they have had a cat scan and are in purrfect condition....... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mark Exstedt >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:30 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Seller has Cat Scratching High Dollar Item >> >> >> Years ago, a Naktalk dude posted an Ebay listing showing a cat on top of cassette deck. >> Things have not gotten better. >> What's the advantage of this? >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acoustic-Research-AR-4x-AR4x-Speakers-New-Grills-Crosswovers-Refurbished-EXC-/231034745738?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item35cabe738a >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mstager at verizon.net Wed Aug 28 21:33:18 2013 From: mstager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:33:18 -0400 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Ebay Seller has Cat Scratching High Dollar Item In-Reply-To: References: <40FD121C-5E49-483D-A448-A8511A634163@cox.net> <0D04A9675BDF49CCB6FBF5ADD592FEDD@desktop> Message-ID: <0MS900JFIABLICA0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Cats scan do anything they damn well please. or - Just being fair... there's a tweeter and a woofer. So what was missing? A meower. Problem fixed! 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URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Aug 28 21:46:38 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:46:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Message-ID: I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? Thanks and best regards Nadeem ________________________________ From: Mercedes Benz Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi Ron, Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. Regards Nadeem ________________________________ From: Ron Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but he mentioned a shorted series resistor. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Gennady Lyskin >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >bias current." >Did you mean recessive bias current? > >Gennady Lyskin >  >G e n n L a b >http://www.gennlab.com >info at gennlab.com >Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >New Zealand >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Ron >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >> >>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>without damaging anything: >> >>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >> >>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >> >>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>> >>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>> >>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>> >>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>> >>>Thanks and best regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>________________________________ >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i have to exchange??? i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors 2sc2878. also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the startup position is up. All help is much appeciated. greetings From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com Thu Aug 29 18:49:55 2013 From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:49:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi all out there and especially gerhard wartha.. first I hope klaas vaak finds a solution to his problem I´m experiencing problems with my Nak ZX-9.. a few days ago it didn´t play tapes at all.. this problem has solved itself !!now the sound drops on both channels after a couple of seconds playing time to almost fully disappear.. when I stop the tape and immediately press play again, the sound will start loud and then very fast go downhill.. time after time..I´m not very technical.. any help would be appreciated, but I think I´m in need of help.. and seeing I live in Essen, Germany I was thinking of Gerhard... greetings, pieter rodgersessen, germany.. > From: frogfoot2005 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:41:37 +0200 > Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record > > hi, > > im having a problem with my lx3 , it doesnt record. > Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. > I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. > Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i have to exchange??? > i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors 2sc2878. > also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the startup position is up. > All help is much appeciated. > > greetings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Aug 29 19:59:01 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:59:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The trouble with your ZX-9 is almost certainly a mechanical one. In the dual capstan system, the capstans must turn at exactly the correct speed in order to maintain tension across the heads. What you're describing is the sound of the tape beginning to slack and losing contact with the play head. When play is depressed, the take-up hub will begin to turn slightly before the leading pinch roller contacts its capstan shaft so the tape begins with tension and will play. The leading capstan then doesn't maintain correct speed and the trailing capstan continues to feed tape from the supply reel so the tape will begin to slack. This is typically caused by either a worn/stretched capstan belt or hardening lubricant in the capstan bearings. If you're not very technical I might suggest sending the deck off to B&W in the UK. Best of luck. Willy On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM, pieter rodgers < the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote: > hi all out there and especially gerhard wartha.. > > first I hope klaas vaak finds a solution to his problem > > I´m experiencing problems with my Nak ZX-9.. a few days ago it didn´t play > tapes at all.. this problem has solved itself !! > now the sound drops on both channels after a couple of seconds playing > time to almost fully disappear.. when I stop the tape and immediately press > play again, the sound will start loud and then very fast go downhill.. time > after time.. > I´m not very technical.. any help would be appreciated, but I think I´m in > need of help.. and seeing I live in Essen, Germany I was thinking of > Gerhard... > > greetings, > > pieter rodgers > essen, germany.. > > > From: frogfoot2005 at hotmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:41:37 +0200 > > Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record > > > > hi, > > > > im having a problem with my lx3 , it doesnt record. > > Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. > > I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. > > Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i > have to exchange??? > > i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors > 2sc2878. > > also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the > startup position is up. > > All help is much appeciated. > > > > greetings > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 22:54:02 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:54:02 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <100707B7-7C00-4515-8BC6-B4217A3014AA@yahoo.com> Hello Pieter, Did you try cleaning the pinch rollers? Give them a very good scrub with an appropriate cleaning fluid. Also, put the deck in play mode to see if both the pinch rollers come up into contact with the capstan shafts. But, here's the trick - observe them closer as you hit stop,because they should,come down quickly and smoothly without hesitation. Also, check the capstan belt inside the machine. That will be your first and second step. Keep us posted how it goes - I'm sure the collective of us can get your deck going. Being In Germany, you a few service options such as Norman in the Netherlands or Luis in Spain. These gents are on this list too. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 30/08/2013, at 2:49 AM, pieter rodgers wrote: > hi all out there and especially gerhard wartha.. > > first I hope klaas vaak finds a solution to his problem > > I´m experiencing problems with my Nak ZX-9.. a few days ago it didn´t play tapes at all.. this problem has solved itself !! > now the sound drops on both channels after a couple of seconds playing time to almost fully disappear.. when I stop the tape and immediately press play again, the sound will start loud and then very fast go downhill.. time after time.. > I´m not very technical.. any help would be appreciated, but I think I´m in need of help.. and seeing I live in Essen, Germany I was thinking of Gerhard... > > greetings, > > pieter rodgers > essen, germany.. > > > From: frogfoot2005 at hotmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:41:37 +0200 > > Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record > > > > hi, > > > > im having a problem with my lx3 , it doesnt record. > > Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. > > I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. > > Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i have to exchange??? > > i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors 2sc2878. > > also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the startup position is up. > > All help is much appeciated. > > > > greetings > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Aug 29 16:44:11 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:44:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Lx3 doesn't record Message-ID: The reason it doesn't record is because the mute is stuck down, which is usually a failed diode or sometimes a transistor. Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone From pinkert6 at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 22:58:41 2013 From: pinkert6 at gmail.com (brian pinkerton) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:58:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow same exact issue with my Pioneer CTF 1250. Someone told me to replace the pinch rollers. On Aug 29, 2013 1:16 PM, "pieter rodgers" wrote: > hi all out there and especially gerhard wartha.. > > first I hope klaas vaak finds a solution to his problem > > I´m experiencing problems with my Nak ZX-9.. a few days ago it didn´t play > tapes at all.. this problem has solved itself !! > now the sound drops on both channels after a couple of seconds playing > time to almost fully disappear.. when I stop the tape and immediately press > play again, the sound will start loud and then very fast go downhill.. time > after time.. > I´m not very technical.. any help would be appreciated, but I think I´m in > need of help.. and seeing I live in Essen, Germany I was thinking of > Gerhard... > > greetings, > > pieter rodgers > essen, germany.. > > > From: frogfoot2005 at hotmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:41:37 +0200 > > Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record > > > > hi, > > > > im having a problem with my lx3 , it doesnt record. > > Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. > > I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. > > Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i > have to exchange??? > > i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors > 2sc2878. > > also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the > startup position is up. > > All help is much appeciated. > > > > greetings > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Aug 29 23:40:17 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:40:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Message-ID: Hi everyone, Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks & best regards Nadeem Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Mercedes Benz Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? Thanks and best regards Nadeem ________________________________ From: Mercedes Benz Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi Ron, Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. Regards Nadeem ________________________________ From: Ron Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but he mentioned a shorted series resistor. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Gennady Lyskin >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >bias current." >Did you mean recessive bias current? > >Gennady Lyskin >  >G e n n L a b >http://www.gennlab.com >info at gennlab.com >Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >New Zealand >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Ron >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >> >>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>without damaging anything: >> >>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >> >>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >> >>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>> >>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>> >>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>> >>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>> >>>Thanks and best regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>________________________________ >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then the pinch rollers and heads do not make good contact to the tape . Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 29 aug. 2013 om 22:58 heeft brian pinkerton het volgende geschreven: > Wow same exact issue with my Pioneer CTF 1250. Someone told me to replace the pinch rollers. > > On Aug 29, 2013 1:16 PM, "pieter rodgers" wrote: >> hi all out there and especially gerhard wartha.. >> >> first I hope klaas vaak finds a solution to his problem >> >> I´m experiencing problems with my Nak ZX-9.. a few days ago it didn´t play tapes at all.. this problem has solved itself !! >> now the sound drops on both channels after a couple of seconds playing time to almost fully disappear.. when I stop the tape and immediately press play again, the sound will start loud and then very fast go downhill.. time after time.. >> I´m not very technical.. any help would be appreciated, but I think I´m in need of help.. and seeing I live in Essen, Germany I was thinking of Gerhard... >> >> greetings, >> >> pieter rodgers >> essen, germany.. >> >> > From: frogfoot2005 at hotmail.com >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:41:37 +0200 >> > Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record >> > >> > hi, >> > >> > im having a problem with my lx3 , it doesnt record. >> > Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. >> > I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. >> > Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i have to exchange??? >> > i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors 2sc2878. >> > also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the startup position is up. >> > All help is much appeciated. >> > >> > greetings >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Fri Aug 30 11:24:14 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:24:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > Hi everyone, > > Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks & best regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my Windows Phone > From: Mercedes Benz > Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 > To: NakTalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. > > Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. > > Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? > > Thanks and best regards > Nadeem > > > From: Mercedes Benz > Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 > To: NakTalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > Hi Ron, > > Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. > > Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. > > Regards > Nadeem > > From: Ron > Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 > To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but > he mentioned a shorted series resistor. > > -- Ron > > > > From: Gennady Lyskin > To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive > bias current." > Did you mean recessive bias current? > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... > > Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots > without damaging anything: > > 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. > 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. > 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. > 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across > the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the > head side, making sure nothing is shorting. > > This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). > > Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive > bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. > > -- Ron > > > > > From: Mercedes Benz > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 > > Hi, > > I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. > > The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). > > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. > > Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? > > Thanks and best regards > Nadeem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 16:07:27 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1377871647.58970.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Such noises can be caused by a PCB hairline crack, bad solder joint, bad resistor, cap, transistor or IC -- to mention just a few of the possibilities. I wish I could tell you where the fault lies. Unfortunately, this type of fault is tough to diagnose but easy to repair. To isolate the source of the noise... If you have a signal tracer, you can systematically trace from the right channel output, back through the signal path. Otherwise, try gingerly tapping various areas of the PCB and/or components in suspected locations. If you're lucky, you'll find this causes a change in the noise, allowing you to zero in on the fault. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >To: NakTalk >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:46 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. > >Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. > >Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? > >Thanks and best regards >Nadeem > > > >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >To: NakTalk >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > >Hi Ron, > >Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. > >Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. > >Regards >Nadeem > > >________________________________ > From: Ron >Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >he mentioned a shorted series resistor. > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Gennady Lyskin >>To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >> >>"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>bias current." >>Did you mean recessive bias current? >> >>Gennady Lyskin >>  >>G e n n L a b >>http://www.gennlab.com >>info at gennlab.com >>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>New Zealand >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Ron >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >>> >>>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>>without damaging anything: >>> >>>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >>> >>>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know  :-). >>> >>>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>>> >>>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>>> >>>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>>> >>>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>>> >>>>Thanks and best regards >>>>Nadeem >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>________________________________ >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From latvis at rockdata.org Fri Aug 30 11:35:21 2013 From: latvis at rockdata.org (Jarmo Latva-Aijo) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:35:21 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts highs in another channel Message-ID: <201308301123.r7UBNJJk031471@zxe.naks.com> Hi, Sorry my native language is not english.. I'd like to know what is wrong with my very little used Nakamichi CR-3E. (I am the first owner since 90s) In both recording and playback it cuts of the highs of another channel. I have tried many cables, many cassettes/types etc. Everytime the same thing. The head is cleaned, demagnetized and has no signs of heavy use. And if I record to used tape it do not erase old recording well. Because I have use the machine very little I do not even know if that has been problem since new - I just found out this when tried to digitize some tapes. (yes, I have tested with another cassette deck and with it everything is fine) See the photo http://rockdata.org/naka_problem.jpg Any help to check/find the problem will be nice. Thanks. -L From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Aug 30 17:33:00 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:33:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Message-ID: Hi Norman, No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ziggo Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi, Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > Hi everyone, > > Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks & best regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my Windows Phone > From: Mercedes Benz > Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 > To: NakTalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. > > Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. > > Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? > > Thanks and best regards > Nadeem > > > From: Mercedes Benz > Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 > To: NakTalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > Hi Ron, > > Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. > > Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. > > Regards > Nadeem > > From: Ron > Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 > To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but > he mentioned a shorted series resistor. > > -- Ron > > > > From: Gennady Lyskin > To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive > bias current." > Did you mean recessive bias current? > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... > > Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots > without damaging anything: > > 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. > 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. > 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. > 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across > the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the > head side, making sure nothing is shorting. > > This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). > > Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive > bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. > > -- Ron > > > > > From: Mercedes Benz > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 > > Hi, > > I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. > > The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). > > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. > > Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? > > Thanks and best regards > Nadeem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Aug 30 17:42:31 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:42:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Message-ID: Hi Ron, Thanks for your help and suggestions. I don't have a signal tracer but I will definitely give tapping a try and hope that I am able to find the culprit. I will report back when I have done it. Thanks and best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ron Sent: 30/08/2013 15:48 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Such noises can be caused by a PCB hairline crack, bad solder joint, bad resistor, cap, transistor or IC -- to mention just a few of the possibilities. I wish I could tell you where the fault lies. Unfortunately, this type of fault is tough to diagnose but easy to repair. To isolate the source of the noise... If you have a signal tracer, you can systematically trace from the right channel output, back through the signal path. Otherwise, try gingerly tapping various areas of the PCB and/or components in suspected locations. If you're lucky, you'll find this causes a change in the noise, allowing you to zero in on the fault. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >To: NakTalk >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:46 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. > >Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. > >Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? > >Thanks and best regards >Nadeem > > > >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >To: NakTalk >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > >Hi Ron, > >Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. > >Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. > >Regards >Nadeem > > >________________________________ > From: Ron >Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >he mentioned a shorted series resistor. > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Gennady Lyskin >>To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >> >>"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>bias current." >>Did you mean recessive bias current? >> >>Gennady Lyskin >>  >>G e n n L a b >>http://www.gennlab.com >>info at gennlab.com >>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>New Zealand >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Ron >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >>> >>>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>>without damaging anything: >>> >>>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >>> >>>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >>> >>>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>>> >>>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>>> >>>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>>> >>>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>>> >>>>Thanks and best regards >>>>Nadeem >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>________________________________ >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Before Armageddon begins again ah its been partially cancelled and after 4 years I can post again now Wouter has sorted it out My 670 needs a service Last serviced by B&W in '98 and now only one VU channel lights the right but it is dead to record and play The Left channel has no light but appears to play and record - is it orange cap or some other well known development? The transport works in all directions and speeds along with drift control and the switches Due to circumstances Im wondering if there is an lower price alternative to B&W this time although I have used them twice or three times in the past and admire them as my Naktalk comes in via digest a personal email can be really helpful to me if there are some recommendations ian I live in rural rural Scotland > still -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Fri Aug 30 19:38:49 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:38:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <822ED5CF-F80D-4F52-8EF6-382C9E294945@ziggo.nl> Hi Nadeem, If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > Hi Norman, > > No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Ziggo > Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > Hi, > > Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Thanks & best regards >> Nadeem >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone >> From: Mercedes Benz >> Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 >> To: NakTalk >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. >> >> Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. >> >> Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? >> >> Thanks and best regards >> Nadeem >> >> >> From: Mercedes Benz >> Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >> To: NakTalk >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. >> >> Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. >> >> Regards >> Nadeem >> >> From: Ron >> Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >> To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >> Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >> he mentioned a shorted series resistor. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> From: Gennady Lyskin >> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >> bias current." >> Did you mean recessive bias current? >> Gennady Lyskin >> >> G e n n L a b >> http://www.gennlab.com >> info at gennlab.com >> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >> New Zealand >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ron >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >> >> Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >> without damaging anything: >> >> 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >> 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >> 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >> 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >> the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >> head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >> >> This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >> >> Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >> bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> From: Mercedes Benz >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >> >> Hi, >> >> I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >> >> The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >> >> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >> >> Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >> >> Thanks and best regards >> Nadeem >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonynelson at georgeanelson.com Fri Aug 30 21:24:28 2013 From: tonynelson at georgeanelson.com (Tony Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:24:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: (from mercedesbenz999@hotmail.co.uk on Thu Aug 29 17:40:17 2013) References: Message-ID: <1377890668.7907.0@master.lan> On 13-08-29 17:40:17, Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it > made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the > right channel during recording even without any source signal. But > one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes > into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is > something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any > noise though. > > Any help will be appreciated. Freeze spray. -- ____________________________________________________________________ TonyN.:' ' From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Aug 30 23:05:22 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:05:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Message-ID: Hi Norman, Thanks for your suggestion, I will see if I can replace all the orange caps in the recording circuit. I just finished replacing all the orange caps in the bias circuit, previously the deck wasn't even recording on Ex and SX tapes. Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ziggo Sent: 30/08/2013 19:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi Nadeem, If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > Hi Norman, > > No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Ziggo > Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > Hi, > > Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Thanks & best regards >> Nadeem >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone >> From: Mercedes Benz >> Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 >> To: NakTalk >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. >> >> Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. >> >> Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? >> >> Thanks and best regards >> Nadeem >> >> >> From: Mercedes Benz >> Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >> To: NakTalk >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. >> >> Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. >> >> Regards >> Nadeem >> >> From: Ron >> Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >> To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >> Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >> he mentioned a shorted series resistor. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> From: Gennady Lyskin >> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >> bias current." >> Did you mean recessive bias current? >> Gennady Lyskin >> >> G e n n L a b >> http://www.gennlab.com >> info at gennlab.com >> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >> New Zealand >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ron >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >> >> Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >> without damaging anything: >> >> 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >> 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >> 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >> 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >> the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >> head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >> >> This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >> >> Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >> bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> From: Mercedes Benz >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >> >> Hi, >> >> I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >> >> The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >> >> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >> >> Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >> >> Thanks and best regards >> Nadeem >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 23:34:15 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:34:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: <822ED5CF-F80D-4F52-8EF6-382C9E294945@ziggo.nl> References: <822ED5CF-F80D-4F52-8EF6-382C9E294945@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: The signal path goes through the Dolby circuit anyway even when Dolby is switched off. Replace all the orange caps - every single one. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 31/08/2013, at 3:38 AM, Ziggo wrote: > Hi Nadeem, > > If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. > > Best regards > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi Norman, >> >> No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. >> >> Regards >> Nadeem >> >> Sent from my killer Windows Phone >> From: Ziggo >> Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> Hi, >> >> Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. >>> >>> Any help will be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks & best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 >>> To: NakTalk >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. >>> >>> Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. >>> >>> Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? >>> >>> Thanks and best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >>> To: NakTalk >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. >>> >>> Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> From: Ron >>> Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >>> To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >>> he mentioned a shorted series resistor. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Gennady Lyskin >>> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>> bias current." >>> Did you mean recessive bias current? >>> Gennady Lyskin >>> >>> G e n n L a b >>> http://www.gennlab.com >>> info at gennlab.com >>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>> New Zealand >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ron >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >>> >>> Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>> without damaging anything: >>> >>> 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>> 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>> 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>> 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>> the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>> head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >>> >>> This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >>> >>> Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>> bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>> >>> The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>> >>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>> >>> Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>> >>> Thanks and best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Sat Aug 31 01:04:58 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:04:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Nadeem, If you feel you are dealing with a failing component because of temperature there is something like cold spray . That spray cools down the component to temperatures far below zero degrees and thats maybe a better way to detect the failing component. Otherwise, if you want a deck for operating without problems for many years it is a good idee to replace the orange caps. ( but that is my opinion ofcourse) Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 30 aug. 2013 om 23:05 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > Hi Norman, > > Thanks for your suggestion, I will see if I can replace all the orange caps in the recording circuit. I just finished replacing all the orange caps in the bias circuit, previously the deck wasn't even recording on Ex and SX tapes. > > Best regards > Nadeem > > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Ziggo > Sent: 30/08/2013 19:59 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > Hi Nadeem, > > If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. > > Best regards > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi Norman, >> >> No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. >> >> Regards >> Nadeem >> >> Sent from my killer Windows Phone >> From: Ziggo >> Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> Hi, >> >> Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. >>> >>> Any help will be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks & best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 >>> To: NakTalk >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. >>> >>> Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. >>> >>> Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? >>> >>> Thanks and best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >>> To: NakTalk >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. >>> >>> Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> From: Ron >>> Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >>> To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >>> he mentioned a shorted series resistor. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Gennady Lyskin >>> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>> bias current." >>> Did you mean recessive bias current? >>> Gennady Lyskin >>> >>> G e n n L a b >>> http://www.gennlab.com >>> info at gennlab.com >>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>> New Zealand >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ron >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >>> >>> Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>> without damaging anything: >>> >>> 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>> 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>> 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>> 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>> the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>> head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >>> >>> This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >>> >>> Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>> bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>> >>> The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>> >>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>> >>> Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>> >>> Thanks and best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ba359 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 07:12:24 2013 From: ba359 at yahoo.com (B A) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - replacing fuses Message-ID: <1377925944.29780.YahooMailNeo@web162906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi all,   The 2.5 amp fuses in my CR-7A are blown.  They are the axial-lead type fuses.  Questions:   * Should I solder in fuse holders instead of new axial-lead fuses?  Seems like a good idea.  What fuse holders do you recommend?   * I figure I'll replace the 1 amp fuse at the same time.  So for these 2.5A and 1A fuses, do I need slow, normal, or fast blow?   Thanks.  Here are pictures of both sides of the board:   2.5A fuses:  http://imgur.com/hF5TT9v Backside:  http://imgur.com/y0rMEkj From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com Sat Aug 31 09:50:47 2013 From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:50:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record In-Reply-To: <68B34A6F-2C54-43E9-A40A-C0DCE90B9AE8@ziggo.nl> References: , , , <68B34A6F-2C54-43E9-A40A-C0DCE90B9AE8@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: ... thank you all for the information..I will stick my head in the machine , have a gander and let you know if I can solve the problem.. kind regards, pieter rodgers Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:22:25 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Hi, It is also possible that hardened grease inside the zx9 transport is the reason. Then the pinch rollers and heads do not make good contact to the tape . Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 29 aug. 2013 om 22:58 heeft brian pinkerton het volgende geschreven: Wow same exact issue with my Pioneer CTF 1250. Someone told me to replace the pinch rollers. On Aug 29, 2013 1:16 PM, "pieter rodgers" wrote: hi all out there and especially gerhard wartha.. first I hope klaas vaak finds a solution to his problem I´m experiencing problems with my Nak ZX-9.. a few days ago it didn´t play tapes at all.. this problem has solved itself !! now the sound drops on both channels after a couple of seconds playing time to almost fully disappear.. when I stop the tape and immediately press play again, the sound will start loud and then very fast go downhill.. time after time.. I´m not very technical.. any help would be appreciated, but I think I´m in need of help.. and seeing I live in Essen, Germany I was thinking of Gerhard... greetings, pieter rodgersessen, germany.. > From: frogfoot2005 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:41:37 +0200 > Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record > > hi, > > im having a problem with my lx3 , it doesnt record. > Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. > I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. > Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i have to exchange??? > i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors 2sc2878. > also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the startup position is up. > All help is much appeciated. > > greetings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Sat Aug 31 09:00:14 2013 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:00:14 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - replacing fuses In-Reply-To: <1377925944.29780.YahooMailNeo@web162906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1377925944.29780.YahooMailNeo@web162906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, I also had the same problem with my CR7. I have replaced them with the fuse holders. I think I have replaced 3 fuses they were blown when I shorted the cassette back light lamp cable while replacing it with the green LED. I don't know the type of them but they were tin plated. Regards, Ural -----Özgün İleti----- From: B A Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - replacing fuses Hi all, The 2.5 amp fuses in my CR-7A are blown. They are the axial-lead type fuses. Questions: * Should I solder in fuse holders instead of new axial-lead fuses? Seems like a good idea. What fuse holders do you recommend? * I figure I'll replace the 1 amp fuse at the same time. So for these 2.5A and 1A fuses, do I need slow, normal, or fast blow? Thanks. Here are pictures of both sides of the board: 2.5A fuses: http://imgur.com/hF5TT9v Backside: http://imgur.com/y0rMEkj ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com Sat Aug 31 13:43:16 2013 From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:43:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <68B34A6F-2C54-43E9-A40A-C0DCE90B9AE8@ziggo.nl>, Message-ID: ??I have removed the cover of the tape-loader. I have felt if the pinch rollers are rolling and if they come up whilst pressing play and go down again when stop is pressed.. everything is in working order.. and up till now.. no problem with the sound ... ???in both situations the deck was ´cold´ , to answer Gerhard question (for instance right now the deck is playing the same tape as when I first had the problem two days ago and I started the tape right after switching on the deck..: I have come across a few people who recommend leaving the deck on, always.. is that recommended for a deck of 30 odd years of age???. if so, I will keep it on, if not, not...)I will however replace the rollers, they look as if a replacement is overdue.. or a good clean at first.. (but first to find a suitable cleaner, like lighter-fluid or so.) best regards pieter From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:50:47 +0200 ... thank you all for the information..I will stick my head in the machine , have a gander and let you know if I can solve the problem.. kind regards, pieter rodgers Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:22:25 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Hi, It is also possible that hardened grease inside the zx9 transport is the reason. Then the pinch rollers and heads do not make good contact to the tape . Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 29 aug. 2013 om 22:58 heeft brian pinkerton het volgende geschreven: Wow same exact issue with my Pioneer CTF 1250. Someone told me to replace the pinch rollers. On Aug 29, 2013 1:16 PM, "pieter rodgers" wrote: hi all out there and especially gerhard wartha.. first I hope klaas vaak finds a solution to his problem I´m experiencing problems with my Nak ZX-9.. a few days ago it didn´t play tapes at all.. this problem has solved itself !! now the sound drops on both channels after a couple of seconds playing time to almost fully disappear.. when I stop the tape and immediately press play again, the sound will start loud and then very fast go downhill.. time after time.. I´m not very technical.. any help would be appreciated, but I think I´m in need of help.. and seeing I live in Essen, Germany I was thinking of Gerhard... greetings, pieter rodgersessen, germany.. > From: frogfoot2005 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:41:37 +0200 > Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record > > hi, > > im having a problem with my lx3 , it doesnt record. > Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. > I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. > Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i have to exchange??? > i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors 2sc2878. > also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the startup position is up. > All help is much appeciated. > > greetings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Aug 31 13:21:35 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:21:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Message-ID: Thanks Ron, Norman and Bala for your help, I will replace all the orange caps as soon as I can source them cheaply in the UK. When I replaced the caps in the bias circuit I couldn't find all the parts in UK so had to order from digikey in US who charged me more for postage than the parts themselves and not to mention the import tax on top. Thanks once again and I will report back once the deck is fixed. Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ziggo Sent: 31/08/2013 00:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi Nadeem, If you feel you are dealing with a failing component because of temperature there is something like cold spray . That spray cools down the component to temperatures far below zero degrees and thats maybe a better way to detect the failing component. Otherwise, if you want a deck for operating without problems for many years it is a good idee to replace the orange caps. ( but that is my opinion ofcourse) Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 30 aug. 2013 om 23:05 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > Hi Norman, > > Thanks for your suggestion, I will see if I can replace all the orange caps in the recording circuit. I just finished replacing all the orange caps in the bias circuit, previously the deck wasn't even recording on Ex and SX tapes. > > Best regards > Nadeem > > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Ziggo > Sent: 30/08/2013 19:59 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > Hi Nadeem, > > If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. > > Best regards > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi Norman, >> >> No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. >> >> Regards >> Nadeem >> >> Sent from my killer Windows Phone >> From: Ziggo >> Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> Hi, >> >> Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. >>> >>> Any help will be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks & best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 >>> To: NakTalk >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. >>> >>> Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. >>> >>> Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? >>> >>> Thanks and best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >>> To: NakTalk >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. >>> >>> Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> From: Ron >>> Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >>> To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >>> he mentioned a shorted series resistor. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Gennady Lyskin >>> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>> bias current." >>> Did you mean recessive bias current? >>> Gennady Lyskin >>> >>> G e n n L a b >>> http://www.gennlab.com >>> info at gennlab.com >>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>> New Zealand >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ron >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >>> >>> Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>> without damaging anything: >>> >>> 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>> 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>> 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>> 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>> the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>> head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >>> >>> This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >>> >>> Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>> bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>> >>> The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>> >>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>> >>> Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>> >>> Thanks and best regards >>> Nadeem >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Aug 31 17:57:30 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:57:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - replacing fuses In-Reply-To: <1377925944.29780.YahooMailNeo@web162906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1377925944.29780.YahooMailNeo@web162906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you can find the correct snap-in style fuse holder it would be a nice upgrade. Beware - usually those fuses blow because of some other problem with the unit. I generally find a shorted capacitor or two in one of the power supply circuits. All three fuses are fast blow. Willy On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:12 PM, B A wrote: > Hi all, > > The 2.5 amp fuses in my CR-7A are blown. They are the axial-lead type > fuses. Questions: > > * Should I solder in fuse holders instead of new axial-lead fuses? Seems > like a good idea. What fuse holders do you recommend? > > * I figure I'll replace the 1 amp fuse at the same time. So for these > 2.5A and 1A fuses, do I need slow, normal, or fast blow? > > Thanks. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ba359 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 18:53:31 2013 From: ba359 at yahoo.com (B A) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - replacing fuses In-Reply-To: References: <1377925944.29780.YahooMailNeo@web162906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1377968011.11729.YahooMailNeo@web162904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks.  I believe I made the same mistake Ural posted earlier...I shorted something when replacing the bulb in the cassette compartment.  The unit was working fine prior to that.   Would these fuse holders work?  My local Radio Shack doesn't have much.  http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=A0AD9A9uYPZ%2f5Y96FqMyAQ%3d%3d   ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann To: B A ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A - replacing fuses If you can find the correct snap-in style fuse holder it would be a nice upgrade.  Beware - usually those fuses blow because of some other problem with the unit.  I generally find a shorted capacitor or two in one of the power supply circuits. All three fuses are fast blow. Willy On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:12 PM, B A wrote: Hi all, >  >The 2.5 amp fuses in my CR-7A are blown.  They are the axial-lead type fuses.  Questions: >  >* Should I solder in fuse holders instead of new axial-lead fuses?  Seems like a good idea.  What fuse holders do you recommend? >  >* I figure I'll replace the 1 amp fuse at the same time.  So for these 2.5A and 1A fuses, do I need slow, normal, or fast blow? >  >Thanks.  Here are pictures of both sides of the board: >  >2.5A fuses:  http://imgur.com/hF5TT9v >Backside:  http://imgur.com/y0rMEkj > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 23:31:18 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record In-Reply-To: <20130831153216.6078622.55062.8097@gmail.com> References: , , , , , , <68B34A6F-2C54-43E9-A40A-C0DCE90B9AE8@ziggo.nl>, <20130831153216.6078622.55062.8097@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1377984678.58639.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Here we go again.  The only substance you should use to clean pinch rollers, tape heads, capstans, tape guides, rollers, etc. is S-721 from American Recorder Technologies. It is a professional cleaning fluid meant specifically for this purpose.  No other liquid should be used, especially alcohol or brake cleaner. You can contact them at 800-777-9580.  Their website is americanrecorder.com Jayson ________________________________ From: "daniel.botelho at gmail.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record Sounds like the pinch rollers for sure. I had a similar issue with one of my teac tape decks. Try to find some rubber rejuvenator fluid...I'm betting that your pinch rollers might have a coating of tape over the years of use. they tend to get hard over time and slip. When you say that the sound plays fine, but then deteriorate after a few seconds, try to look at the tape after the sound degrades. I'd be willing to bet that it may look crinkly as the tape might have slipped from the pinch roller and capstan Definitely go over the pinch rollers with either rubber rejuvenator. (not rubbing alcohol as it can dry out the rubber.) If you can't find any, I heard that brake cleaner is a suitable replacement...maybe someone can confirm this? Dan Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: pieter rodgers Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 08:08 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record ?? I have removed the cover of the tape-loader. I have felt if the pinch rollers are rolling and if they come up whilst pressing play and go down again when stop is pressed.. everything is in working order.. and up till now.. no problem with the sound ... ??? in both situations the deck was ´cold´ , to answer Gerhard question (for instance right now the deck is playing the same tape as when I first had the problem two days ago and I started the tape right after switching on the deck..: I have come across a few people who recommend leaving the deck on, always.. is that recommended for a deck of 30 odd years of age???. if so, I will keep it on, if not, not...) I will however replace the rollers, they look as if a replacement is overdue.. or a good clean at first.. (but first to find a suitable cleaner, like lighter-fluid or so.) best regards pieter ________________________________ From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:50:47 +0200 ... thank you all for the information.. I will stick my head in the machine , have a gander and let you know if I can solve the problem.. kind regards, pieter rodgers ________________________________ Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:22:25 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Hi, It is also possible that hardened grease inside the zx9 transport is the reason. Then the pinch rollers and heads do not make good contact to the tape . Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 29 aug. 2013 om 22:58 heeft brian pinkerton het volgende geschreven: Wow same exact issue with my Pioneer CTF 1250. Someone told me to replace the pinch rollers. >On Aug 29, 2013 1:16 PM, "pieter rodgers" wrote: > >hi all out there and especially gerhard wartha.. >> >> >>first I hope klaas vaak finds a solution to his problem >> >> >> >>I´m experiencing problems with my Nak ZX-9.. a few days ago it didn´t play tapes at all.. this problem has solved itself !! >>now the sound drops on both channels after a couple of seconds playing time to almost fully disappear.. when I stop the tape and immediately press play again, the sound will start loud and then very fast go downhill.. time after time.. >>I´m not very technical.. any help would be appreciated, but I think I´m in need of help.. and seeing I live in Essen, Germany I was thinking of Gerhard... >> >> >>greetings, >> >> >>pieter rodgers >>essen, germany.. >> >> >>> From: frogfoot2005 at hotmail.com >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:41:37 +0200 >>> Subject: [naktalk] nak lx3 wont record >>> >>> hi, >>> >>> im having a problem with my lx3 , it doesnt record. >>> Everything works mechanically but i doesnt get a signal. >>> I geuss the rec bias osc isnt working anymore. >>> Probebly been ask many times before but can anybody tel me which parts i have to exchange??? >>> i was thinking about the pp caps 136 & 236 and maybe the transistors 2sc2878. >>> also the fade up and down doesnt work it stays in down , i think the startup position is up. >>> All help is much appeciated. >>> >>> greetings >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Perry Esposito (Generation - 6) Sent: 30/11/2013 13:53 To: Mercedes Benz Subject: Re: LX-5 problem Just to check do you have on the Main board: +12v on pin 8 of ic301? Does the "not in record" line flip from -12v in record to +12v in play at the base of D101 or D201? Does point LP62 from the PS board flip from +12v in record to -11.5 in stop ? Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone On Nov 28, 2013, at 11:31 AM, "Mercedes Benz" > wrote: Thanks Perry, I will check that but I am getting the +12v on the power board just not on the bias board. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Perry Esposito (Generation - 6) Sent: 28/11/2013 13:53 To: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Subject: LX-5 problem Look at the output of the +12v voltage regulator, they commonly fail. I will look up the part number and get back to you. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Dec 3 18:42:06 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:42:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-5 problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1386092526.32546.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> If you have +11.8V on a base and -11.5V on an emitter of an NPN transistor, it's blown. To be specific: the base-emitter junction is open. However, before replacing it, do find out what caused the fault. Otherwise, you risk blowing the new transistor. Good luck, -- Ron   On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:33 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi Perry, > >I have now made the measurements you asked me to as follows: > >1. IC301 Pin 8 = +12.1v >2. D101, D102 base voltage remains constant +12.1v in both record and play modes does not flip. >3. Voltage remains constant -11.5v at LP62 does not flip. > >However, I have observed that Q504, which is right next to LP62, has always got -11.5v on the emitter even though there is +12.1v at the collector and +11.8v at the base. Could this be the culprit? I have ordered a new one just in case. > >Your thoughts please? > >Best regards >Nadeem > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > >________________________________ > From: Perry Esposito (Generation - 6) >Sent: 30/11/2013 13:53 >To: Mercedes Benz >Subject: Re: LX-5 problem > > >Just to check do you have on the Main board: >+12v on pin 8 of ic301? >Does the "not in record" line flip from -12v in record to +12v in play at the base of D101 or D201? >Does point LP62 from the PS board flip from +12v in record to -11.5 in stop ? > >Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone > >On Nov 28, 2013, at 11:31 AM, "Mercedes Benz" wrote: > > >Thanks Perry, I will check that but I am getting the +12v on the power board just not on the bias board. >> >>Regards >>Nadeem >> >>Sent from my killer Windows Phone >> >>________________________________ >> From: Perry Esposito (Generation - 6) >>Sent: 28/11/2013 13:53 >>To: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk >>Subject: LX-5 problem >> >> >>Look at the output of the +12v voltage regulator, they commonly fail. I will look up the part number and get back to you. >> >>Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone >>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains >>information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >>does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >>relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is >>intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >>by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended >>recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >>contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If >>you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >>reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >>in error, and delete it.  Thank you. >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Dec 3 19:55:18 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:55:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-5 problem Message-ID: Thanks Ron, I will check it. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ron Sent: 03/12/2013 18:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: LX-5 problem If you have +11.8V on a base and -11.5V on an emitter of an NPN transistor, it's blown. To be specific: the base-emitter junction is open. However, before replacing it, do find out what caused the fault. Otherwise, you risk blowing the new transistor. Good luck, -- Ron On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:33 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi Perry, > >I have now made the measurements you asked me to as follows: > >1. IC301 Pin 8 = +12.1v >2. D101, D102 base voltage remains constant +12.1v in both record and play modes does not flip. >3. Voltage remains constant -11.5v at LP62 does not flip. > >However, I have observed that Q504, which is right next to LP62, has always got -11.5v on the emitter even though there is +12.1v at the collector and +11.8v at the base. Could this be the culprit? I have ordered a new one just in case. > >Your thoughts please? > >Best regards >Nadeem > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > >________________________________ > From: Perry Esposito (Generation - 6) >Sent: 30/11/2013 13:53 >To: Mercedes Benz >Subject: Re: LX-5 problem > > >Just to check do you have on the Main board: >+12v on pin 8 of ic301? >Does the "not in record" line flip from -12v in record to +12v in play at the base of D101 or D201? >Does point LP62 from the PS board flip from +12v in record to -11.5 in stop ? > >Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone > >On Nov 28, 2013, at 11:31 AM, "Mercedes Benz" wrote: > > >Thanks Perry, I will check that but I am getting the +12v on the power board just not on the bias board. >> >>Regards >>Nadeem >> >>Sent from my killer Windows Phone >> >>________________________________ >> From: Perry Esposito (Generation - 6) >>Sent: 28/11/2013 13:53 >>To: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk >>Subject: LX-5 problem >> >> >>Look at the output of the +12v voltage regulator, they commonly fail. I will look up the part number and get back to you. >> >>Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone >>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains >>information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >>does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >>relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>express written confirmation to that effect. The information is >>intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >>by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended >>recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >>contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If >>you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >>reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >>in error, and delete it. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Dec 4 15:06:51 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 09:06:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem Message-ID: I would suspect that the transistor is faulty, just as Ron said. Naturally, with those voltages, the base value should cause a switch of current flow and voltage change from the collector to the emitter. I will look at the circuit again when I am at my bench again. Transistors are cheap, hope you ordered 2! Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Dec 4 16:54:14 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:54:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-5 problem Message-ID: Replaced the transistor which fixed the voltage flipping from -11.5 to +12 on both LP62 and the two diodes but the original fault of noise in the right channel still remains. Have been testing the Dolby board and noticed different voltages on ICs 202 & 204 -ve and +ve pins of ONLY the right channel. I have -5v on both the front pins of ic204 and -5v & +1.5v on the front pins of ic202. Just wondering now that the faulty transistor has been replaced, could this noise (which shows on the right meter in play and record) be from the orange caps in the Dolby circuit? Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Perry Esposito Sent: 04/12/2013 14:06 To: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: LX-5 problem I would suspect that the transistor is faulty, just as Ron said. Naturally, with those voltages, the base value should cause a switch of current flow and voltage change from the collector to the emitter. I will look at the circuit again when I am at my bench again. Transistors are cheap, hope you ordered 2! Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Thu Dec 5 01:10:46 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (Birger Glosimot) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 01:10:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F4D4C651FCD45E2A88181D4ACE62EC2@BirgerPC> Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? Regards Birger (in Norway) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. > > For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. > > Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? > > Regards > Birger (in Norway) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Dec 5 11:35:07 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:35:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems Message-ID: Hi Birger, As Norman suggested, it could be the jammed control motor. Try to nudge the white control gear with a pencil while pressing a command button and see if it works. You will have to take the top cover off and the control gear is the one which has three leaf switches running on it. If it works then you will need to service the control motor. Good luck. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Birger Glosimot Sent: 05/12/2013 08:10 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? Regards Birger (in Norway) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Dec 5 14:45:09 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:45:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem Message-ID: <2FCCA3FA-E33D-459D-BD61-3F7A3DF5DD8F@comcast.net> Glad we got that solved, good for you! The - &+ ve pins of the matching chips for the L & R channels should match. Track down that first. I will check my LX-5 for those voltages. Could be another transistor problem, as the +ve should not be a negative value, i would suspect. But yes, the noise could also be the 4700pF orange caps in the Dolby circuit, but that would not cause the ve mismatch issue. Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Thu Dec 5 09:57:43 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (Birger Glosimot) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:57:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems In-Reply-To: <39C3E8CC-67DF-4CDE-969C-2A9FDAAA0C88@gmail.com> References: <8F4D4C651FCD45E2A88181D4ACE62EC2@BirgerPC> <39C3E8CC-67DF-4CDE-969C-2A9FDAAA0C88@gmail.com> Message-ID: How do I determine if it is the command motor? And also where do I get a service manual for the CR-5. It is not on Hifiengine. Are there any other Nakamichi decks with the same transport? Regards Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems Hi, Maybe you have a frozen command motor inside the transport mechanism. It is possible to take it apart and rebuild that motor . Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 5 dec. 2013 om 01:10 heeft "Birger Glosimot" het volgende geschreven: Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? 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You will have to take the top cover off and the control gear is the one which has three leaf switches running on it. If it works then you will need to service the control motor. Good luck. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Birger Glosimot Sent: 05/12/2013 08:10 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? Regards Birger (in Norway) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6892 - Release Date: 12/04/13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Thu Dec 5 18:12:21 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 18:12:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems In-Reply-To: <8EE010F89E9B460AA1215AEDA420A8F2@BirgerPC> References: <8EE010F89E9B460AA1215AEDA420A8F2@BirgerPC> Message-ID: <1FAFA5B3-DBE1-4596-8C76-B0674F83A1EC@gmail.com> Hi, Maybe you can send me a message offline. Maybe i have some pictures for you. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 5 dec. 2013 om 14:31 heeft "Birger Glosimot" het volgende geschreven: > > Ok. Seems it is the control motor, at least on the CR-5 that is on my dining room table :-) for service now. > > How do I go about servicing that motor? > > Regards > > Birger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mercedes Benz > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:35 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems > > Hi Birger, > > As Norman suggested, it could be the jammed control motor. Try to nudge the white control gear with a pencil while pressing a command button and see if it works. You will have to take the top cover off and the control gear is the one which has three leaf switches running on it. If it works then you will need to service the control motor. Good luck. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Birger Glosimot > Sent: 05/12/2013 08:10 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems > > Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. > I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. > > For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. > > Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? > > Regards > Birger (in Norway) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6892 - Release Date: 12/04/13 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Dec 5 19:31:17 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:31:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems In-Reply-To: <8F4D4C651FCD45E2A88181D4ACE62EC2@BirgerPC> References: <8F4D4C651FCD45E2A88181D4ACE62EC2@BirgerPC> Message-ID: <1386268277.6348.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Could easily be an idler problem. To check, clean the idler tire, brass pulley and hub mating surfaces thoroughly and see if the problem is solved. If so, order a new tire, as the 'repair' won't last long. -- Ron On Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:58 AM, Birger Glosimot wrote: >Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. >I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. >  >For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. >  >Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? >  >Regards >Birger (in Norway) >  >  >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Fri Dec 6 08:29:47 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (Birger Glosimot) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 08:29:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems (need repair description) In-Reply-To: <1386268277.6348.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8F4D4C651FCD45E2A88181D4ACE62EC2@BirgerPC> <1386268277.6348.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <527B4BDF56E84D8C86002377D3D03122@BirgerPC> Well it may be an idler problem also. But it defenitely is a control motor problem on both the CR-5 and the Cassette Deck 1. If it should also be the idler wheel, I will find out after having the control motor engage normaly. I hope to receive some pictures from Norman (I have sent offline mail) If anyone else have some description how to repair the motor, please post description as I would belive this can be a common problem. And I expect to run into the problem again, as I have 29 Nakamichi decks. A couple BX's for parts and a couple doublettes, but 25 different Nakamichi decks :-) Best regards Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems Could easily be an idler problem. To check, clean the idler tire, brass pulley and hub mating surfaces thoroughly and see if the problem is solved. If so, order a new tire, as the 'repair' won't last long. -- Ron On Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:58 AM, Birger Glosimot wrote: Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? Regards Birger (in Norway) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. 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Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Birger Glosimot Sent: 06/12/2013 08:24 To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems (need repair description) Well it may be an idler problem also. But it defenitely is a control motor problem on both the CR-5 and the Cassette Deck 1. If it should also be the idler wheel, I will find out after having the control motor engage normaly. I hope to receive some pictures from Norman (I have sent offline mail) If anyone else have some description how to repair the motor, please post description as I would belive this can be a common problem. And I expect to run into the problem again, as I have 29 Nakamichi decks. A couple BX's for parts and a couple doublettes, but 25 different Nakamichi decks :-) Best regards Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems Could easily be an idler problem. To check, clean the idler tire, brass pulley and hub mating surfaces thoroughly and see if the problem is solved. If so, order a new tire, as the 'repair' won't last long. -- Ron On Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:58 AM, Birger Glosimot wrote: Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? Regards Birger (in Norway) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. 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Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Dec 2013, at 6:54 am, Ben Stratford wrote: > > My latest project has a common issue - that of a broken eject lever on my 680zx. > Should anyone have one to sell from a parts deck, I would be most grateful. > Many Thanks > Ben Stratford > benstratford at aol.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Tue Dec 10 15:43:54 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (Birger Glosimot) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:43:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems(need repair description) Still no solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D3A7A75A266468487BF68E93AF2ECC8@BirgerPC> I have taken the control motor for the CR-5 apart and cleaned the contact points on the tree fingers that touch the cam. But also found that it may be without a rubber band that goes to the left (from front) reel hub. I have put one in but there is absolutely no help. The motor seems to run fine and it does not seem to stop as described in one tread that was linked to by Mercedes Benz. But on the Cassette deck One that seems to be the problem, run a little and then stop. The CR-5 keep running. HELP ;-) ! (Maybe I will try to buy a new motor as offered, but will do some more checking and appreciate help) Best regards Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Mercedes Benz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems(need repair description) Following 2 links are for BX-300 but same principles apply as they are all Sankyo mechs. You will have to figure out how to remove the control motor assembly from your decks. http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=2299 Browse the above thread and further down there is a detailed procedure with pics. http://kb.dutchalps.com/bx125repair.htm The procedure in this thread is a bit complex but provides a better and long lasting solution but If not performed correctly it could also damage the motor beyond repair so be warned. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Birger Glosimot Sent: 06/12/2013 08:24 To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems (need repair description) Well it may be an idler problem also. But it defenitely is a control motor problem on both the CR-5 and the Cassette Deck 1. If it should also be the idler wheel, I will find out after having the control motor engage normaly. I hope to receive some pictures from Norman (I have sent offline mail) If anyone else have some description how to repair the motor, please post description as I would belive this can be a common problem. And I expect to run into the problem again, as I have 29 Nakamichi decks. A couple BX's for parts and a couple doublettes, but 25 different Nakamichi decks :-) Best regards Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems Could easily be an idler problem. To check, clean the idler tire, brass pulley and hub mating surfaces thoroughly and see if the problem is solved. If so, order a new tire, as the 'repair' won't last long. -- Ron On Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:58 AM, Birger Glosimot wrote: Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? Regards Birger (in Norway) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. 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URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Dec 10 18:11:57 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:11:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems(need repair description) Still no solution Message-ID: That rubber band you are referring to is the square tape tension belt. I am not sure about the size of this belt but if you search online you should be able to find one for CR5. Regarding the control motor, did you spray Deoxit sparingly on the holes at the terminals on the back of the motor and did you let it run in both directions for some time? >From your message it seems like you are referring to the reel motor which runs without stopping. The motor which requires servicing is the control motor. If you did service the control motor then is the CR5 still not responding to commands? Regarding the Cassette Deck One clean the three leaf switches with Deoxit first. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Birger Glosimot Sent: 10/12/2013 16:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems(need repair description) Still no solution I have taken the control motor for the CR-5 apart and cleaned the contact points on the tree fingers that touch the cam. But also found that it may be without a rubber band that goes to the left (from front) reel hub. I have put one in but there is absolutely no help. The motor seems to run fine and it does not seem to stop as described in one tread that was linked to by Mercedes Benz. But on the Cassette deck One that seems to be the problem, run a little and then stop. The CR-5 keep running. HELP ;-) ! (Maybe I will try to buy a new motor as offered, but will do some more checking and appreciate help) Best regards Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Mercedes Benz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems(need repair description) Following 2 links are for BX-300 but same principles apply as they are all Sankyo mechs. You will have to figure out how to remove the control motor assembly from your decks. http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=2299 Browse the above thread and further down there is a detailed procedure with pics. http://kb.dutchalps.com/bx125repair.htm The procedure in this thread is a bit complex but provides a better and long lasting solution but If not performed correctly it could also damage the motor beyond repair so be warned. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Birger Glosimot Sent: 06/12/2013 08:24 To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 control motor problems (need repair description) Well it may be an idler problem also. But it defenitely is a control motor problem on both the CR-5 and the Cassette Deck 1. If it should also be the idler wheel, I will find out after having the control motor engage normaly. I hope to receive some pictures from Norman (I have sent offline mail) If anyone else have some description how to repair the motor, please post description as I would belive this can be a common problem. And I expect to run into the problem again, as I have 29 Nakamichi decks. A couple BX's for parts and a couple doublettes, but 25 different Nakamichi decks :-) Best regards Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 and Cassette Deck 1 problems Could easily be an idler problem. To check, clean the idler tire, brass pulley and hub mating surfaces thoroughly and see if the problem is solved. If so, order a new tire, as the 'repair' won't last long. -- Ron On Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:58 AM, Birger Glosimot wrote: Neither my CR-5, nor my Cassette Deck 1 will react to the commands. I have changed the belt for the capstans on the CR-5. The capstans were turning before also, but just in case. Also Cassette Deck 1 has capstans that functions. For instance if I press play or any other command that should result in tape transport, on the CR-5 I can hear a short swirling noise and can see that the knurled brass end on the reel motor starts to spin, but stops without any movement to the reel hubs. I have not looked as close as this on the Cassette Deck 1, but have a feeling it is the same problem. Is this an idler wheel problem or something else? Regards Birger (in Norway) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. 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Can some kind soul help with \ > the correct URLs? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 17 21:05:06 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 21:05:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Looking fo ths Wiki/manuals URLs In-Reply-To: <1387307752.62545.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1387307752.62545.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2EB65420-9605-481D-835E-590F84330139@peromarta.org> Naks.com/wiki i think Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > El 17/12/2013, a las 20:15, Ron escribió: > > Hi, > > Haven't looked at the Wiki or Manuals pages for quite a while and now > my bookmarks return an error message. Can some kind soul help with \ > the correct URLs? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can some kind soul help with \ > the correct URLs? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Dec 18 15:53:50 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:53:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Looking fo ths Wiki/manuals URLs In-Reply-To: <29CE90A9-EC8C-4014-A833-32E137E45C30@gmail.com> References: <1387307752.62545.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <29CE90A9-EC8C-4014-A833-32E137E45C30@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1387378430.84407.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks much to both that answered. Turned out I shouldn't have bothered.... I was looking for any data on the Nakamichi DE-1, which is an RF demodulator, designed for extracting multichannel audio audio from AC-3 laser disks -- no luck... Dos anyone have the service manual for this beast? -- Ron On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:46 PM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi Ron, > > >Try  >http://wiki.naks.com/doku.php > > >Best regards > > >Norman > >Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > >Op 17 dec. 2013 om 20:15 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > >Hi, >> >> >>Haven't looked at the Wiki or Manuals pages for quite a while and now >> >>my bookmarks return an error message. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Dec 22 21:56:03 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:56:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new brochures Message-ID: <0571b56e06d30d0f422d94d3e0c9d0dd.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> For Christmas ... a whole bunch of Nak brochures added today, thanks to Fred! http://wiki.naks.com/ (yes it's new) And referring to Ron's request, any scanned Nakamichi document is welcome! Happy Holidays, Wouter From harpalassi at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 19:31:37 2013 From: harpalassi at gmail.com (Harpal Assi) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:31:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. Message-ID: I'm new to Nakamichi and tape decks in general and recently purchased a 480 from an online auction. It was stated as 'excellent working condition', but alas it was not. I was told it had never been serviced. It is in beautiful cosmetic condition and came in the original box and manual, so it just seems worn. The main issue is that the sound begins clear and bright and within seconds it gets muffled and more muffled to the point where it is impossible to hear. If I hit 'Pause' and then unpause it, the full sound returns beautifully for a few seconds and then the muffling begins again. I have cleaned the heads, captans, pinch rollers pretty throughly with 91% Isopropyl and Q-Tips. This helped somewhat, as the tape never sounded bright at all when I initially tried it and just stopped playing after 15 seconds. Now, I can hear the initial brightness and it plays through the end. The second issue is intermittent and it's only usually on one side of the tape. When I push the tape inside, there is a LOUD 'whirr' and the counter moves forward 1 or 2 numbers. When I press play, the transport is VERY NOISY and the counter numbers are moving twice as fast as they should be. If I look at the tape, the reel on the right side is obviously the culprit as it's very jerky and not rotating smoothly like the one on the left. The odd thing is, I can flip the tape to the other side and the problem is gone (in most cases). Is the second issue caused by the first issue, or are they completely separate? Are these fairly easy for a DIY fix, or should i pay for a tech? There is a tech near my work, but I'm afraid I don't know what an estimate would be. I know there is a $70 diagnostic fee which goes towards repair. I'm hoping not to spend more than $150 at the most. I have done some other DIY repairs including installing new lamps in my vintage receiver, replacing vintage foam surrounds and installing hinges on a Technics 1200 mk2 (not as easy as you would think). Are these issues on the same level of repair, or am I in way over my head to do it myself? My other option is to file a claim and try to get all my money back and ship it back to the seller, (as it was not as described) but that is my last resort. Once I saw how beautiful it looked and the brief full sound, I wanted to keep it. I'm trying to get a partial refund. Thanks in advance for any assistance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 08:56:08 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 08:56:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A7D6DB8-021B-47A5-91EA-472713F7420A@gmail.com> Hi, You can claim 50% from the money back. But ceep this 480 as a spare part if you need any, some time. Than buy a nother 480. There is on in Canada for less than 100$.- Most of 480 work fine. So my be yours did have a transport foult coming from shipping the Item. If you have two 480, and one is working it is more easy to repair the non working one, by looking closely to the differences between the Decks. regards Gerhard Am 25.12.2013 um 19:31 schrieb Harpal Assi: > I'm new to Nakamichi and tape decks in general and recently > purchased a 480 from an online auction. It was stated as 'excellent > working condition', but alas it was not. I was told it had never > been serviced. It is in beautiful cosmetic condition and came in > the original box and manual, so it just seems worn. > > The main issue is that the sound begins clear and bright and within > seconds it gets muffled and more muffled to the point where it is > impossible to hear. If I hit 'Pause' and then unpause it, the full > sound returns beautifully for a few seconds and then the muffling > begins again. I have cleaned the heads, captans, pinch rollers > pretty throughly with 91% Isopropyl and Q-Tips. This helped > somewhat, as the tape never sounded bright at all when I initially > tried it and just stopped playing after 15 seconds. Now, I can hear > the initial brightness and it plays through the end. > > The second issue is intermittent and it's only usually on one side > of the tape. When I push the tape inside, there is a LOUD 'whirr' > and the counter moves forward 1 or 2 numbers. When I press play, > the transport is VERY NOISY and the counter numbers are moving > twice as fast as they should be. If I look at the tape, the reel on > the right side is obviously the culprit as it's very jerky and not > rotating smoothly like the one on the left. The odd thing is, I can > flip the tape to the other side and the problem is gone (in most > cases). > > Is the second issue caused by the first issue, or are they > completely separate? Are these fairly easy for a DIY fix, or should > i pay for a tech? There is a tech near my work, but I'm afraid I > don't know what an estimate would be. I know there is a $70 > diagnostic fee which goes towards repair. I'm hoping not to spend > more than $150 at the most. I have done some other DIY repairs > including installing new lamps in my vintage receiver, replacing > vintage foam surrounds and installing hinges on a Technics 1200 mk2 > (not as easy as you would think). Are these issues on the same > level of repair, or am I in way over my head to do it myself? > > My other option is to file a claim and try to get all my money back > and ship it back to the seller, (as it was not as described) but > that is my last resort. Once I saw how beautiful it looked and the > brief full sound, I wanted to keep it. I'm trying to get a partial > refund. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Dec 26 10:49:55 2013 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 10:49:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D269CFDDEEC452D894E78CBD91A38ED@Mobile> Hi! Your 480 needs new rubber parts. The main issue is due to bad capstan belt and the second issue is due to dry rubber on the idler tire. All parts is available at Fred Marrs but the idle tire is a little bit tricky to replace. Good luck/Pelle. From: Harpal Assi Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 7:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. I'm new to Nakamichi and tape decks in general and recently purchased a 480 from an online auction. It was stated as 'excellent working condition', but alas it was not. I was told it had never been serviced. It is in beautiful cosmetic condition and came in the original box and manual, so it just seems worn. The main issue is that the sound begins clear and bright and within seconds it gets muffled and more muffled to the point where it is impossible to hear. If I hit 'Pause' and then unpause it, the full sound returns beautifully for a few seconds and then the muffling begins again. I have cleaned the heads, captans, pinch rollers pretty throughly with 91% Isopropyl and Q-Tips. This helped somewhat, as the tape never sounded bright at all when I initially tried it and just stopped playing after 15 seconds. Now, I can hear the initial brightness and it plays through the end. The second issue is intermittent and it's only usually on one side of the tape. When I push the tape inside, there is a LOUD 'whirr' and the counter moves forward 1 or 2 numbers. When I press play, the transport is VERY NOISY and the counter numbers are moving twice as fast as they should be. If I look at the tape, the reel on the right side is obviously the culprit as it's very jerky and not rotating smoothly like the one on the left. The odd thing is, I can flip the tape to the other side and the problem is gone (in most cases). Is the second issue caused by the first issue, or are they completely separate? Are these fairly easy for a DIY fix, or should i pay for a tech? There is a tech near my work, but I'm afraid I don't know what an estimate would be. I know there is a $70 diagnostic fee which goes towards repair. I'm hoping not to spend more than $150 at the most. I have done some other DIY repairs including installing new lamps in my vintage receiver, replacing vintage foam surrounds and installing hinges on a Technics 1200 mk2 (not as easy as you would think). Are these issues on the same level of repair, or am I in way over my head to do it myself? My other option is to file a claim and try to get all my money back and ship it back to the seller, (as it was not as described) but that is my last resort. Once I saw how beautiful it looked and the brief full sound, I wanted to keep it. I'm trying to get a partial refund. Thanks in advance for any assistance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Thu Dec 26 12:08:23 2013 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: 26 Dec 2013 12:08:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues Message-ID: <11140544.376421388056103479.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Hello Harpal Your issues seem all possible results from frozen tape guide frames. These frame also hold the tape rollers and these are mis alligned now the guide frames are frozen, causing tape path problems and tape and reel speed issues. The hard sound (kirrrrr) when engaging tape play or closing the door is due to a worn idler. These are standard issues for this type of deck. This can be fixed but this will pose a challenge for a novice. Repairing the tape guide frames will necessitate the re- allignment of the tap guide and rollers, requiring specilized and costly tools. Repairing the idler almost allways requires the splitting of the transport mechanism, which is an precise work for a skilled technician. As Gerhard Wartha stated, keep this one deck and compare with a different sample (preferably in good working order) if you want to take these tasks on yourself. Otherwise find the skilled people willing to help in your area of the world. Calling upon this forum brings you half way the latter. Succes And every one , merry Xmas and enjoy the last days of 2013. Henk Schenk ----Origineel Bericht---- From: Harpal Assi Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm new to Nakamichi and tape decks in general and recently purchased a 480 from an online auction. It was stated as 'excellent working condition', but alas it was not. I was told it had never been serviced. It is in beautiful cosmetic condition and came in the original box and manual, so it just seems worn. The main issue is that the sound begins clear and bright and within seconds it gets muffled and more muffled to the point where it is impossible to hear. If I hit 'Pause' and then unpause it, the full sound returns beautifully for a few seconds and then the muffling begins again. I have cleaned the heads, captans, pinch rollers pretty throughly with 91% Isopropyl and Q-Tips. This helped somewhat, as the tape never sounded bright at all when I initially tried it and just stopped playing after 15 seconds. Now, I can hear the initial brightness and it plays through the end. The second issue is intermittent and it's only usually on one side of the tape. When I push the tape inside, there is a LOUD 'whirr' and the counter moves forward 1 or 2 numbers. When I press play, the transport is VERY NOISY and the counter numbers are moving twice as fast as they should be. If I look at the tape, the reel on the right side is obviously the culprit as it's very jerky and not rotating smoothly like the one on the left. The odd thing is, I can flip the tape to the other side and the problem is gone (in most cases). Is the second issue caused by the first issue, or are they completely separate? Are these fairly easy for a DIY fix, or should i pay for a tech? There is a tech near my work, but I'm afraid I don't know what an estimate would be. I know there is a $70 diagnostic fee which goes towards repair. I'm hoping not to spend more than $150 at the most. I have done some other DIY repairs including installing new lamps in my vintage receiver, replacing vintage foam surrounds and installing hinges on a Technics 1200 mk2 (not as easy as you would think). Are these issues on the same level of repair, or am I in way over my head to do it myself? My other option is to file a claim and try to get all my money back and ship it back to the seller, (as it was not as described) but that is my last resort. Once I saw how beautiful it looked and the brief full sound, I wanted to keep it. I'm trying to get a partial refund. Thanks in advance for any assistance. From spok2000 at gmx.de Thu Dec 26 12:56:25 2013 From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 12:56:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1. Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. (Harpal Assi) In-Reply-To: <201312261125.rBQB7Qvl004140@zxe.naks.com> References: <201312261125.rBQB7Qvl004140@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: > > 1. Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. (Harpal Assi) Harpal- don't be alarmed. The state your deck is in, is exactly what's to be expected. A never-before-serviced 480 must have issues. ALWAYS. If, at first power up, it doesn't, it will develop some. Indefinitely. Don't send it back and don't necessarily expect a refund although you can try. For a non-experienced seller it must appear as fully working as he simply has no chance of determining any of the issues. We don't know what you paid but when you say you got the original box, manual and the deck's in pristine optical state, it's definitely a keeper. These are a rare find. Gerhard's mentioned $100-Nak is waaaaay too expensive, because it will be in the same state of known and unknown issues. It will have the same tape travel dificulties as your deck and will need service. It will also have the same orange cap disease as your deck - these have to be replaced otherwise your bias circuit will blow sometime during your first recordings. There is no way of just buying a second 480, use it as a blue print and then bring it to work. EVERY Nak of that time needs service. You could buy 10 480's and it won't help you. They all need the same service. And normally you don't need a spare part donor - in a 480 almost everything can be fixed. For people who done it before it's no big deal, however, your estimate of a total of $150 may be a little optimistic: -The transport has to be taken apart, degreased and readjusted mechanically (~2hrs) -Sometimes the capstan arms are completely stuck, which is a pita to fix. (Obviously not with your deck, so you're lucky here.) -The belts have to be changed. The only ones that make sense at all are the ones supplied by Fred Marrs, period. (~$40) -Idler tire has to be replaced. -The eject mechanism has to be reengineered because it is broken. Even if it's still working now, it will break when the deck's being used again. (~1/2hr) -All the "orange caps" have to be replaced (~2hrs) -The rec/play switch on the main PCB has to be unsoldered, taken apart, cleaned, sealed, and put back in. (~1hr) -Switches and pots are to be cleaned (always) and lamps to be replaced (sometimes). -Deck has to be readjusted electrically and calibrated to a cassette brand of your choice (~1hr) This is the workflow if nothing's really broken. Otherwise you can add time (and money) for finding and fixing. So if you're lucky you might get the restoration for $150 but you have to add your auction price. And there's no way of doing all this yourself without proper measuring equipment and calibration tapes and tools. Given these facts I personally have set a strict limitation on the initial price when buying these decks. On a 480 it is $30, a 482 is $40, 670 is $60 and a 680 is $100. Everything else just doesn't make any sense. Your funny noise, btw., comes from the idler wheel which initially has been made from rubber but turned to hard plastics now. In Fred Marrs' belt set there will be a fresh tire. After replacement the deck will be dead silent. HTH. best, spocintosh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 495 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Thu Dec 26 15:51:42 2013 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 06:51:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1388069502.66252.YahooMailNeo@web184906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The second issue sounds like the tape slack take up system operating with a bad ( hardened rubber ) idler tire...and the main issue sounds like a tape skewing problem that may be hardened rubber pinch rollers. You can try a product call PB Blaster ( a strong smelling yellow liquid in a spray can )  to soften the rubber pinch rollers ( spray a little into the spray cans plastic cap and apply a little to the rubber rollers with a cotton swab...let it set for 10 minutes then clean it off with another clean swab. Don't get any on plastic parts because it will damage the plastic. The rubber idler tire might be accessible from the top ( take the metal case off and look down from the top of the transport ) . you can try to scuff it up with an emery board or strip of medium sandpaper and clean it with iso-alcohol for a temporary fix ( might last months or a year ).       Thomas. ________________________________ From: Harpal Assi To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 1:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. I'm new to Nakamichi and tape decks in general and recently purchased a 480 from an online auction. It was stated as 'excellent working condition', but alas it was not. I was told it had never been serviced. It is in beautiful cosmetic condition and came in the original box and manual, so it just seems worn.  The main issue is that the sound begins clear and bright and within seconds it gets muffled and more muffled to the point where it is impossible to hear. If I hit 'Pause' and then unpause it, the full sound returns beautifully for a few seconds and then the muffling begins again. I have cleaned the heads, captans, pinch rollers pretty throughly with 91% Isopropyl and Q-Tips. This helped somewhat, as the tape never sounded bright at all when I initially tried it and just stopped playing after 15 seconds. Now, I can hear the initial brightness and it plays through the end. The second issue is intermittent and it's only usually on one side of the tape. When I push the tape inside, there is a LOUD 'whirr' and the counter moves forward 1 or 2 numbers. When I press play, the transport is VERY NOISY and the counter numbers are moving twice as fast as they should be. If I look at the tape, the reel on the right side is obviously the culprit as it's very jerky and not rotating smoothly like the one on the left. The odd thing is, I can flip the tape to the other side and the problem is gone (in most cases). Is the second issue caused by the first issue, or are they completely separate? Are these fairly easy for a DIY fix, or should i pay for a tech? There is a tech near my work, but I'm afraid I don't know what an estimate would be. I know there is a $70 diagnostic fee which goes towards repair. I'm hoping not to spend more than $150 at the most. I have done some other DIY repairs including installing new lamps in my vintage receiver, replacing vintage foam surrounds and installing hinges on a Technics 1200 mk2 (not as easy as you would think). Are these issues on the same level of repair, or am I in way over my head to do it myself? My other option is to file a claim and try to get all my money back and ship it back to the seller, (as it was not as described) but that is my last resort. Once I saw how beautiful it looked and the brief full sound, I wanted to keep it. I'm trying to get a partial refund. Thanks in advance for any assistance. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul.kellerman at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 26 16:07:13 2013 From: paul.kellerman at sbcglobal.net (Paul Kellerman) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:07:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1. Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. (Harpal Assi) In-Reply-To: References: <201312261125.rBQB7Qvl004140@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1388070433.17117.YahooMailNeo@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My choice has been to upgrade DR-2 decks. resonable priced and not very old as 70-80s decks. Let me know if you need tech data to upgrade PK ________________________________ From: "spok2000 at gmx.de" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1. Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. (Harpal Assi) > >  1. Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. (Harpal Assi) Harpal- don't be alarmed. The state your deck is in, is exactly what's to be expected. A never-before-serviced 480 must have issues. ALWAYS. If, at first power up, it doesn't, it will develop some. Indefinitely. Don't send it back and don't necessarily expect a refund although you can try. For a non-experienced seller it must appear as fully working as he simply has no chance of determining any of  the issues. We don't know what you paid  but when you say you got the original box, manual and the deck's in pristine optical state, it's definitely a keeper. These are a rare find. Gerhard's mentioned $100-Nak is waaaaay too expensive, because it will be in the same state of known and unknown issues. It will have the same tape travel dificulties as your deck and will need service. It will also have the same orange cap disease as your deck - these have to be replaced otherwise your bias circuit will blow sometime during your first recordings. There is no way of just buying a second 480, use it as a blue print and then bring it to work. EVERY Nak of that time needs service. You could buy 10 480's and it won't help you. They all need the same service. And normally you don't need a spare part donor - in a 480 almost everything can be fixed. For people who done it before it's no big deal, however, your estimate of a total of $150 may be a little optimistic: -The transport has to be taken apart, degreased and readjusted mechanically (~2hrs) -Sometimes the capstan arms are completely stuck, which is a pita to fix. (Obviously not with your deck, so you're lucky here.) -The belts have to be changed. The only ones that make sense at all are the ones supplied by Fred Marrs, period. (~$40) -Idler tire has to be replaced. -The eject mechanism has to be reengineered because it is broken. Even if it's still working now, it will break when the deck's being used again. (~1/2hr) -All the "orange caps" have to be replaced (~2hrs) -The rec/play switch on the main PCB has to be unsoldered, taken apart, cleaned, sealed, and put back in. (~1hr) -Switches and pots are to be cleaned (always) and lamps to be replaced (sometimes). -Deck has to be readjusted electrically and calibrated to a cassette brand of your choice (~1hr) This is the workflow if nothing's really broken. Otherwise you can add time (and money) for finding and fixing. So if you're lucky you might get the restoration for $150 but you have to add your auction price. And there's no way of doing all this yourself without proper measuring equipment and calibration tapes and tools. Given these facts I personally have set a strict limitation on the initial price when buying these decks. On a 480 it is $30, a 482 is $40, 670 is $60 and a 680 is $100. Everything else just doesn't make any sense. Your funny noise, btw., comes from the idler wheel which initially has been made from rubber but turned to hard plastics now. In Fred Marrs' belt set there will be a fresh tire. After replacement the deck will be dead silent. HTH. best, spocintosh ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harpalassi at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 19:58:57 2013 From: harpalassi at gmail.com (Harpal Assi) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 12:58:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1. Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. (Harpal Assi) In-Reply-To: References: <201312261125.rBQB7Qvl004140@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I appreciate your information, spocintosh. I did pay $50 for this deck, but the seller contacted me back and it seems likely I will get some sort of refund. I asked for 50%, so that would bring the deck down to about $25 (not bad, and within your range) I called the service tech nearby and they gave me a ballpark estimate of $150-200 for the service, which seems worth it to have this deck up and running for years. It seems a bit more logical than me tackling some parts here and there and having some other things fail in the near future. On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 5:56 AM, spok2000 at gmx.de wrote: > > > > 1. Nakamichi 480 muffled and reel issues. (Harpal Assi) > > Harpal- > > don't be alarmed. > > The state your deck is in, is exactly what's to be expected. > A never-before-serviced 480 must have issues. ALWAYS. > If, at first power up, it doesn't, it will develop some. Indefinitely. > > Don't send it back and don't necessarily expect a refund although you can > try. For a non-experienced seller it must appear as fully working as he > simply has no chance of determining any of the issues. > We don't know what you paid but when you say you got the original box, > manual and the deck's in pristine optical state, it's definitely a keeper. > These are a rare find. > Gerhard's mentioned $100-Nak is waaaaay too expensive, because it will be > in the same state of known and unknown issues. > > It will have the same tape travel dificulties as your deck and will need > service. It will also have the same orange cap disease as your deck - these > have to be replaced otherwise your bias circuit will blow sometime during > your first recordings. > There is no way of just buying a second 480, use it as a blue print and > then bring it to work. EVERY Nak of that time needs service. You could buy > 10 480's and it won't help you. They all need the same service. And > normally you don't need a spare part donor - in a 480 almost everything can > be fixed. > For people who done it before it's no big deal, however, your estimate of > a total of $150 may be a little optimistic: > > -The transport has to be taken apart, degreased and readjusted > mechanically (~2hrs) > -Sometimes the capstan arms are completely stuck, which is a pita to fix. > (Obviously not with your deck, so you're lucky here.) > -The belts have to be changed. The only ones that make sense at all are > the ones supplied by Fred Marrs, period. (~$40) > -Idler tire has to be replaced. > -The eject mechanism has to be reengineered because it is broken. Even if > it's still working now, it will break when the deck's being used again. > (~1/2hr) > -All the "orange caps" have to be replaced (~2hrs) > -The rec/play switch on the main PCB has to be unsoldered, taken apart, > cleaned, sealed, and put back in. (~1hr) > -Switches and pots are to be cleaned (always) and lamps to be replaced > (sometimes). > -Deck has to be readjusted electrically and calibrated to a cassette brand > of your choice (~1hr) > > This is the workflow if nothing's really broken. Otherwise you can add > time (and money) for finding and fixing. > So if you're lucky you might get the restoration for $150 but you have to > add your auction price. > And there's no way of doing all this yourself without proper measuring > equipment and calibration tapes and tools. > > Given these facts I personally have set a strict limitation on the initial > price when buying these decks. > On a 480 it is $30, a 482 is $40, 670 is $60 and a 680 is $100. Everything > else just doesn't make any sense. > > Your funny noise, btw., comes from the idler wheel which initially has > been made from rubber but turned to hard plastics now. In Fred Marrs' belt > set there will be a fresh tire. > After replacement the deck will be dead silent. > > HTH. > best, > spocintosh > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From statonenterprise at netscape.net Fri Dec 27 17:25:17 2013 From: statonenterprise at netscape.net (Roger Staton) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:25:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] tape sticks? Message-ID: <178FA646-D81C-4C6F-BF3F-2087B4C9CEB0@netscape.net> Hi, When playing cassettes on my Nakamichi CD1 the tape often stops and on inspecting the cassette a small loop of tape has been pulled out between plastic cut out on the right of the replay tape head cut out. can you suggest a reason for this please? Thank you Roger From paul.kellerman at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 27 18:44:50 2013 From: paul.kellerman at sbcglobal.net (Paul Kellerman) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 09:44:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] tape sticks? In-Reply-To: <178FA646-D81C-4C6F-BF3F-2087B4C9CEB0@netscape.net> References: <178FA646-D81C-4C6F-BF3F-2087B4C9CEB0@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1388166290.64585.YahooMailNeo@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Had a BX-300 that was doing this, was intermittent reel motor. ________________________________ From: Roger Staton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] tape sticks? Hi, When playing cassettes on my Nakamichi CD1 the tape often stops and on inspecting the cassette a small loop of tape has been pulled out between plastic cut out on the right of the replay tape head cut out. can you suggest a reason for this please? Thank you Roger ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Dec 28 16:51:15 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] tape sticks? In-Reply-To: <178FA646-D81C-4C6F-BF3F-2087B4C9CEB0@netscape.net> References: <178FA646-D81C-4C6F-BF3F-2087B4C9CEB0@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1388245875.76274.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sounds like a takeup problem (the takeup spool stops turning, trigerring auto stop). Most likely, the idler rubber tire has hardened and glazed, causing slippage. Less likely (but still, possible), the reel motor has developed 'dead spots' (meaning, it intermittently stops turning). To diagnose, remove the cassette well cover plate. Press PLAY with no cassette in the well. Grab the takup hub while looking at the brass pulley. if it still rotates before the transport stops (in about 1 second), the problem is with the idler. If the pulley stops as soon as you hold the hub, the problem is probably the reel motor. The idler tire can be easily and cheaply replaced. The reel motor is expensive and more difficult to replace. Good luck, -- Ron On Friday, December 27, 2013 12:47 PM, Roger Staton wrote: Hi, >When playing cassettes on my Nakamichi CD1 the tape often stops and on inspecting the cassette a small loop of tape has been pulled out >between plastic cut out on the right of the replay tape head cut out. >can you suggest a reason for this please? > >Thank you > >Roger >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Dec 28 17:48:43 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:48:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] tape sticks? Message-ID: Ron, CD1 doesn't have an idler tire it has a gear so it could either be the reel motor or something else. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ron Sent: 28/12/2013 16:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape sticks? Sounds like a takeup problem (the takeup spool stops turning, trigerring auto stop). Most likely, the idler rubber tire has hardened and glazed, causing slippage. Less likely (but still, possible), the reel motor has developed 'dead spots' (meaning, it intermittently stops turning). To diagnose, remove the cassette well cover plate. Press PLAY with no cassette in the well. Grab the takup hub while looking at the brass pulley. if it still rotates before the transport stops (in about 1 second), the problem is with the idler. If the pulley stops as soon as you hold the hub, the problem is probably the reel motor. The idler tire can be easily and cheaply replaced. The reel motor is expensive and more difficult to replace. Good luck, -- Ron On Friday, December 27, 2013 12:47 PM, Roger Staton wrote: Hi, >When playing cassettes on my Nakamichi CD1 the tape often stops and on inspecting the cassette a small loop of tape has been pulled out >between plastic cut out on the right of the replay tape head cut out. >can you suggest a reason for this please? > >Thank you > >Roger >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If It has a gear idler, the problem is probably the motor.  -- Ron On Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:08 PM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Ron, CD1 doesn't have an idler tire it has a gear so it could either be the reel motor or something else. > >Regards >Nadeem > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > >________________________________ > From: Ron >Sent: 28/12/2013 16:33 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape sticks? > > >Sounds like a takeup problem (the takeup spool stops turning, trigerring auto stop). > >Most likely, the idler rubber tire has hardened and glazed, causing slippage. >Less likely (but still, possible), the reel motor has developed 'dead spots' (meaning, >it intermittently stops turning). > >To diagnose, remove the cassette well cover plate. Press PLAY with no cassette in >the well. Grab the takup hub while looking at the brass pulley. if it still rotates before >the transport stops (in about 1 second), the problem is with the idler. If the pulley >stops as soon as you hold the hub, the problem is probably the reel motor. > >The idler tire can be easily and cheaply replaced. The reel motor is expensive and >more difficult to replace. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > > > > >On Friday, December 27, 2013 12:47 PM, Roger Staton wrote: > >Hi, >>When playing cassettes on my Nakamichi CD1 the tape often stops and on inspecting the cassette a small loop of tape has been pulled out >>between plastic cut out on the right of the replay tape head cut out. >>can you suggest a reason for this please? >> >>Thank you >> >>Roger >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If It has a gear idler, the problem is probably the motor.  -- Ron On Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:08 PM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Ron, CD1 doesn't have an idler tire it has a gear so it could either be the reel motor or something else. > >Regards >Nadeem > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > > >________________________________ > From: Ron >Sent: 28/12/2013 16:33 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape sticks? > > >Sounds like a takeup problem (the takeup spool stops turning, trigerring auto stop). > >Most likely, the idler rubber tire has hardened and glazed, causing slippage. >Less likely (but still, possible), the reel motor has developed 'dead spots' (meaning, >it intermittently stops turning). > >To diagnose, remove the cassette well cover plate. Press PLAY with no cassette in >the well. Grab the takup hub while looking at the brass pulley. if it still rotates before >the transport stops (in about 1 second), the problem is with the idler. If the pulley >stops as soon as you hold the hub, the problem is probably the reel motor. > >The idler tire can be easily and cheaply replaced. The reel motor is expensive and >more difficult to replace. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > > > > >On Friday, December 27, 2013 12:47 PM, Roger Staton wrote: > >Hi, >>When playing cassettes on my Nakamichi CD1 the tape often stops and on inspecting the cassette a small loop of tape has been pulled out >>between plastic cut out on the right of the replay tape head cut out. >>can you suggest a reason for this please? >> >>Thank you >> >>Roger >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com/ >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen Sent: 30/12/2013 17:08 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi heads Sankyo transport Hi Guys, I am working on a cassettedeck 1 and both the record and playback heads where gone. I think somebody did a cleaning operation with some sharp tools. Is there anyone with a parts deck who wants to sell these ones? I think the same heads where used inside a cassettedeck2 , cr3, cr4 , bx300, cr5, cr7 and the three heads DR serie. Best regards to all Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance, Paolo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Feb 8 17:47:23 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:47:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paolo - With the deck off toggle back and forth through the three meter settings many times quickly. This will likely solve the problem - at least temporarily. Those switch contacts begin to oxidize after a long period of time and you rarely use that switch setting. Best of luck. Willy On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Paolo Cipollone wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a problem with my otherwise perfectly functioning and calibrated > 680ZX. > Recently I have observed that in cal mode the readings die (i.e. go to > zero) after a few seconds' functioning. If I toggle between cal mode and > the other two display modes (which are perfect) I may be able to resurrect > the readings -not always. The 400 Hz tone is there, unaltered, and the Auto > Azimuth Alignment works fine. Any hints? > > Thanks in advance, > Paolo > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sat Feb 9 08:00:53 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:00:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <510AD975.6090109@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <51030EBE.9060104@univ-rennes1.fr> <510967C1.1060706@univ-rennes1.fr> <510AD975.6090109@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <5115F425.508@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi everybody, Well, I have received the new 2SB564 and that's it! everything works beautifully. The tuning of the CAM positions is a piece of cake once the control motor governor ok! I have installed the shut-off sensor LED replacement, new rubbers including rollers, and calibrated the azimuth and the track as someone had played with it before... Another Nak alive and kicking! Thanks to all of you for your advice/suggestions Have a nice week-end Bernard Le 31/01/2013 21:52, bb a écrit : > Well, sorry to answer to myself! > > Here is the message that puts me back to search. It was coming from > Russell Storey to David, who was not able to rotate the CAM with power > on, on his 682-ZX: > > "2.With no power see if you can rotate cam wheel freely by hand > to make heads and both pinch rollers engage fully into the play mode > 3.If yes , you have an electronic problem on mech - logic board > control motor control drive circuit" > > I think I finally found the "monster" (may be he is not alone). > Referring to 482Z SM, I found after desoldering it, the attached > measurments on Q413 (2SB564) (I never got the "OL" indication I got > for the good ones). > It is in the Control Motor Governor, isn't it? > > Does somebody know a common replacement for that PNP transistor? > > Any advice welcomed. > > Thanks > Bernard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:01 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! Hi everybody, Well, I have received the new 2SB564 and that's it! everything works beautifully. The tuning of the CAM positions is a piece of cake once the control motor governor ok! I have installed the shut-off sensor LED replacement, new rubbers including rollers, and calibrated the azimuth and the track as someone had played with it before... Another Nak alive and kicking! Thanks to all of you for your advice/suggestions Have a nice week-end Bernard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Mon Feb 11 08:20:08 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:20:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51189BA8.4000201@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Cheryl, I got them at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2SB564-NEC-SAMSUNG-SEMICONDUCTOR-/110912906872?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item19d2eca678#shId It came with the TO92 package instead of TO126 package but seems ok. Thanks again Bernard Le 11/02/2013 05:09, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > Very cool! Where did you source the part? > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *bb > *Sent:* Friday, February 08, 2013 9:01 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > > Hi everybody, > > Well, I have received the new 2SB564 and that's it! everything works > beautifully. > > The tuning of the CAM positions is a piece of cake once the control > motor governor ok! > I have installed the shut-off sensor LED replacement, new rubbers > including rollers, and calibrated the azimuth and the track as someone > had played with it before... > > Another Nak alive and kicking! > > Thanks to all of you for your advice/suggestions > > Have a nice week-end > Bernard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyhow it should be, as in electronic equipment of this vintage, quite common to other units. Any other 680ZX out there having the same behavior? Thanks again,Paolo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paolocipx at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 08:47:57 2013 From: paolocipx at gmail.com (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:47:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cal mode problem Message-ID: Hi, no progress round here. I've exercised the switch about a thousand times under all circumstances, spraying it with my contact cleaner countless times. I let the deck rest upside down, as suggested, but to no avail. I have actually observed a worsening of the problem. Bear in mind that last time I used the deck, a few months ago, all was fine. I am quite surprised that no other 680 owner has observed this defect. While playing with the deck I have measured the -3dB point at 15/16 (metal tape, eq. 120 microseconds, @ -20dB) and it's over 18 kHz! 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Should I include it in the drawing of the new schematics ? Could happy owners of ZX-9 check their DD board to verify if these "last minute" changes are common? Finally, would you be interested in getting such a spare (new) PCB ? Regards bernard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: comparison.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 378074 bytes Desc: not available URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Feb 13 19:16:35 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:16:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 DD PCB In-Reply-To: <511B9A7E.1060503@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <511B9A7E.1060503@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Yes, those changes are common. The board was set up for two caps in parallel - maybe to derive higher accuracy? I have removed the two orange drop caps and replaced them with a 2200pf PP. The resistor is on every board I've seen so far - usually scabbed on the trace side. If you're going to go through the trouble of making a new board do if for the Dragon instead. I've come across many Dragon DD boards which were cracked when the transport mounts gave way. Better yet, redesign it dropping the 3.088MHz oscillator and divider circuitry and replace that with an FPGA or CPLD. Still use the same FG servo and power amps. Much simpler and more reliable but won't change the sound of the decks at all. Thanks for the effort. Willy On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:51 AM, bb wrote: > Dear Naktalkers, > > With the idea to (re)produce the DD PCB of ZX-9, I checked mine (right > picture, p1 of the attached PDF file) and compare it with one I found on > the net (left picture, p1). > As you can verify, on mine, C524 is lacking and has been "included" in > C516. As a result, my C516 is a 2200 pF (2%) (see right picture , p2). > Which type is it? is it still a PP cap ? > > The advantage is that it is not an orange cap anymore, prone to fail and > stop the capstans rotation...that' s a good point. > > The second detail is the extra resistor (see left picture, p2) soldered > between pin9 and pin14 of IC505 . Should I include it in the drawing of the > new schematics ? > > Could happy owners of ZX-9 check their DD board to verify if these "last > minute" changes are common? > > Finally, would you be interested in getting such a spare (new) PCB ? > > Regards > bernard > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Feb 14 08:31:06 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:31:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 DD PCB In-Reply-To: References: <511B9A7E.1060503@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <511C92BA.8010801@univ-rennes1.fr> Willy, Thanks's a lot for the suggestion and I would go for it if: - I had in hand the original PCB or a scale-1 drawing of the PCB, or at least the correct dimensions of the board with the exclusion areas - I had some help from a professionnal for the swapping you mentionned (please, remember I do not know much in electronics...) However, before to start, we need to evaluate how much people would be interested in such DD boards (either for ZX-9 or Dragon), and teh ZX-9 could be a starting point. Have a nice day bernard Le 13/02/2013 19:16, Willy Hermann a écrit : > Yes, those changes are common. The board was set up for two caps in > parallel - maybe to derive higher accuracy? I have removed the two > orange drop caps and replaced them with a 2200pf PP. The resistor is > on every board I've seen so far - usually scabbed on the trace side. > If you're going to go through the trouble of making a new board do if > for the Dragon instead. I've come across many Dragon DD boards which > were cracked when the transport mounts gave way. Better yet, redesign > it dropping the 3.088MHz oscillator and divider circuitry and replace > that with an FPGA or CPLD. Still use the same FG servo and power > amps. Much simpler and more reliable but won't change the sound of > the decks at all. > Thanks for the effort. > Willy > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:51 AM, bb > wrote: > > Dear Naktalkers, > > With the idea to (re)produce the DD PCB of ZX-9, I checked mine > (right picture, p1 of the attached PDF file) and compare it with > one I found on the net (left picture, p1). > As you can verify, on mine, C524 is lacking and has been > "included" in C516. As a result, my C516 is a 2200 pF (2%) (see > right picture , p2). Which type is it? is it still a PP cap ? > > The advantage is that it is not an orange cap anymore, prone to > fail and stop the capstans rotation...that' s a good point. > > The second detail is the extra resistor (see left picture, p2) > soldered between pin9 and pin14 of IC505 . Should I include it in > the drawing of the new schematics ? > > Could happy owners of ZX-9 check their DD board to verify if these > "last minute" changes are common? > > Finally, would you be interested in getting such a spare (new) PCB ? > > Regards > bernard > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:02:29 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:02:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 DD board Message-ID: <134486977-1360843350-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1399231410-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Same as Willy, resistor added on, and always replaced the parallel caps with a single 2200. I had assumed that they used the 2 in parallel to tune the final value, or deal with some harmonic since they specifically used only one orange cap in the pair. Personally, I've not had any reasons to need a new ZX-9 board, that would be the same as the old, though. I like Willys suggestion, since all Dragons run a bit fast, but it would be tough to incorporate that, and still allow fine tuning of the differential capstan speeds, wouldn't it, without a huge redesign? It would be easier (relatively) to redesign the ZX-9 board and put an adjustable crystal locked reference on the DD motor since you only design for one capstan and direction, and THAT board I would buy a few of, since the speed regulation of the ZX-9 is so poor, for a DD unit. Perry Esposito - From my phone From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thu Feb 14 14:25:42 2013 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:25:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 DD PCB References: <511B9A7E.1060503@univ-rennes1.fr> <511C92BA.8010801@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <8C4BC28C708247B0A5CABD2C471A4003@owner66fc96eb0> Bernard, I would take a Zx-9 board if it was modified how Perry suggested. Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: bb To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 DD PCB Willy, Thanks's a lot for the suggestion and I would go for it if: - I had in hand the original PCB or a scale-1 drawing of the PCB, or at least the correct dimensions of the board with the exclusion areas - I had some help from a professionnal for the swapping you mentionned (please, remember I do not know much in electronics...) However, before to start, we need to evaluate how much people would be interested in such DD boards (either for ZX-9 or Dragon), and teh ZX-9 could be a starting point. Have a nice day bernard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 14 14:54:50 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:54:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 DD board In-Reply-To: <134486977-1360843350-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1399231410- @b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <134486977-1360843350-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1399231410-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: +1 for the 'Perry' board. > It would be easier > (relatively) to redesign the ZX-9 board and put an adjustable crystal > locked reference on the DD motor since you only design for one capstan and > direction, and THAT board I would buy a few of, since the speed regulation > of the ZX-9 is so poor, for a DD unit. > Perry Esposito - From my phone From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Fri Feb 15 08:37:17 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:37:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 DD board In-Reply-To: <134486977-1360843350-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1399231410-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <134486977-1360843350-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1399231410-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <511DE5AD.4040709@univ-rennes1.fr> Perry, that is a very good suggestion as well. However, if I can do the job with the correct software (Protel DXP, compatible with Protel SE99) and prepare the various data/files ready for board insulation, I am definitely unable to conceive such an upgrade!!! So, I will first create the files (I may be a little bit slow) reproducing the original board, and then I will need someone to first take a look at them and second to conceive/integrate the quartz-locked circuit, at least from the schematics. That would be nice to produce such a board : Is there someone ready to help? bernard From ken.crum at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 15 19:04:32 2013 From: ken.crum at sbcglobal.net (ken.crum) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:04:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE Message-ID: Newbie here.  Just purchased my first Nak - a 700ZXE and I am thoroughly impressed! A few questions: 1) this deck does not auto calibrate for PLAY BACK - <---- is this correct? 2) When side one of a cassette finishes playing, after a few seconds I can very faintly hear music from the other side - EXTREMELY FAINT.  Does this mean the playnack head needs adjustment OR is it due to cheap construction of mass produced pre-recorded cassettes? Thanks for any responses or thoughts. I am truly truly impressed with this deck - even with Dolby NR turned you hear no tape hiss!! What Nak cassette decks AUTOCALIBRATE for both PLAY and RECORD?  Is it only the Dragon? Thanks Ken Sent from Samsung tablet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken.crum at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 15 19:06:21 2013 From: ken.crum at sbcglobal.net (ken.crum) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:06:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Remote Wanted Message-ID: Wanting to buy a Nak RM 200 remote.  Can pay via paypal. Thanks Ken Sent from Samsung tablet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:24:33 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:24:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <514C2848-D65F-4568-BAE3-6320927FA34E@gmail.com> 1, ZXE does auto calibrate recordings. Dragon does set the record Azimuth automatically, record calibration is manual. Dragon does automatically correct Play Back Azimuth in both directions. No calibration on Playback. Equalization must be set manual. Dragon recordings can be made in one direction only. 2, I think it can be the pre-recorded cassette, best way to check that is to use old self recorded cassettes . And some of this cheap pre-recorded cassettes tape, if they are made in the 1970´s, are not god to the heads. Gerhard Am 15.02.2013 um 19:04 schrieb ken.crum: > Newbie here. Just purchased my first Nak - a 700ZXE and I am > thoroughly impressed! > A few questions: 1) this deck does not auto calibrate for PLAY BACK > - <---- is this correct? > 2) When side one of a cassette finishes playing, after a few > seconds I can very faintly hear music from the other side - > EXTREMELY FAINT. Does this mean the playnack head needs adjustment > OR is it due to cheap construction of mass produced pre-recorded > cassettes? > > Thanks for any responses or thoughts. > > I am truly truly impressed with this deck - even with Dolby NR > turned you hear no tape hiss!! > > What Nak cassette decks AUTOCALIBRATE for both PLAY and RECORD? Is > it only the Dragon? > > Thanks > > Ken > > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:57:40 2013 From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:57:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE In-Reply-To: <514C2848-D65F-4568-BAE3-6320927FA34E@gmail.com> References: , <514C2848-D65F-4568-BAE3-6320927FA34E@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was impressed also with my zx-9 compared to what I used to have.. (pioneer...)enjoy the music ;) Pieter.. From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:24:33 +0100 To: naktalk at naks.com 1, ZXE does auto calibrate recordings. Dragon does set the record Azimuth automatically, record calibration is manual. Dragon does automatically correct Play Back Azimuth in both directions. No calibration on Playback. Equalization must be set manual. Dragon recordings can be made in one direction only. 2, I think it can be the pre-recorded cassette, best way to check that is to use old self recorded cassettes . And some of this cheap pre-recorded cassettes tape, if they are made in the 1970´s, are not god to the heads. Gerhard Am 15.02.2013 um 19:04 schrieb ken.crum:Newbie here. Just purchased my first Nak - a 700ZXE and I am thoroughly impressed!A few questions: 1) this deck does not auto calibrate for PLAY BACK - <---- is this correct?2) When side one of a cassette finishes playing, after a few seconds I can very faintly hear music from the other side - EXTREMELY FAINT. Does this mean the playnack head needs adjustment OR is it due to cheap construction of mass produced pre-recorded cassettes? Thanks for any responses or thoughts. I am truly truly impressed with this deck - even with Dolby NR turned you hear no tape hiss!! What Nak cassette decks AUTOCALIBRATE for both PLAY and RECORD? Is it only the Dragon? Thanks Ken Sent from Samsung tablet ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 00:51:26 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:51:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE In-Reply-To: <514C2848-D65F-4568-BAE3-6320927FA34E@gmail.com> References: <514C2848-D65F-4568-BAE3-6320927FA34E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1360972286.90904.YahooMailNeo@web120904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Gerhard and Ken, 1.The Dragon does not do record head azimuth alignment automatically or manually. The Dragon's record head is fixed. Period. 2. Dragon does auto playback head alignment ( this it does continuously even after the green/red blinkers go off in @ 10-12 seconds). Dragon also is a manually calibratable deck for bias and level. 3. Prerecorded tapes can have the reverse side noise at times. Test by using a good quality tape recorded on a well calibrated machine. 4. There is no Nak that adjusts record and playback azimuth. it is either/or. The reason for this is to set a reference head. If both are floaters the azimuth adjustment exercise  is a moot job to do. With ether of the heads being a reference point ( meaning that head is perfectly aligned to specs) slightly rotating the other head( the floater) accomplishes resolution of the higher frequencies well. Hope that clears some misconceptions in azimuth adjustment in tape recorders.( especially Naks) Enjoy your ZXE Ken. Ram. ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE 1,  ZXE does auto calibrate  recordings. Dragon does set the  record Azimuth automatically, record calibration is manual.     Dragon does automatically  correct Play Back Azimuth in both directions. No calibration on Playback. Equalization  must be set manual.    Dragon recordings can be made in one direction only. 2, I  think it can be  the pre-recorded cassette, best way to check that is to use old self recorded cassettes .   And some of this cheap  pre-recorded cassettes tape, if they are made in the  1970´s, are  not god  to  the heads. Gerhard Am 15.02.2013 um 19:04 schrieb ken.crum: Newbie here.  Just purchased my first Nak - a 700ZXE and I am thoroughly impressed! >A few questions: 1) this deck does not auto calibrate for PLAY BACK - <---- is this correct? >2) When side one of a cassette finishes playing, after a few seconds I can very faintly hear music from the other side - EXTREMELY FAINT.  Does this mean the playnack head needs adjustment OR is it due to cheap construction of mass produced pre-recorded cassettes? > > >Thanks for any responses or thoughts. > > >I am truly truly impressed with this deck - even with Dolby NR turned you hear no tape hiss!! > > >What Nak cassette decks AUTOCALIBRATE for both PLAY and RECORD?  Is it only the Dragon? > > >Thanks > > >Ken > > > > >Sent from Samsung tablet >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 08:59:33 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 08:59:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE In-Reply-To: References: , <514C2848-D65F-4568-BAE3-6320927FA34E@gmail.com> Message-ID: 1990 i went to the best Audio shop in Vienna/Austria. "I said" I would like the best new Cassette Deck money can buy " They gave me a AKAI GX-95, it was heavy and quit expressive. After a long pause to 2005 this Deck was not working anymore. I started to fix it. And I did buy a NAK 582 in US for 90$. That 582 started me to listen analogue again. I did buy the music on Record LP in did get rite of all CD´s very fast. 582 was a different world of sound, Cassette did work as a real copy from record LP. And it was luck, because of Ebay it did no matter what year it was. There are even better Decks made in the 1970ies, but still like new on Ebay. ; ""It is hard to find the better chair, and how easy to find the newest"" (Adolf Loos )  G Am 15.02.2013 um 23:57 schrieb pieter rodgers: > I was impressed also with my zx-9 compared to what I used to have.. > (pioneer...) > enjoy the music ;) > > Pieter.. > > From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:24:33 +0100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > 1, ZXE does auto calibrate recordings. Dragon does set the > record Azimuth automatically, record calibration is manual. > Dragon does automatically correct Play Back Azimuth in both > directions. No calibration on Playback. Equalization must be set > manual. > Dragon recordings can be made in one direction only. > > 2, I think it can be the pre-recorded cassette, best way to check > that is to use old self recorded cassettes . > And some of this cheap pre-recorded cassettes tape, if they are > made in the 1970´s, are not god to the heads. > > Gerhard > Am 15.02.2013 um 19:04 schrieb ken.crum: > > Newbie here. Just purchased my first Nak - a 700ZXE and I am > thoroughly impressed! > A few questions: 1) this deck does not auto calibrate for PLAY BACK > - <---- is this correct? > 2) When side one of a cassette finishes playing, after a few > seconds I can very faintly hear music from the other side - > EXTREMELY FAINT. Does this mean the playnack head needs adjustment > OR is it due to cheap construction of mass produced pre-recorded > cassettes? > > Thanks for any responses or thoughts. > > I am truly truly impressed with this deck - even with Dolby NR > turned you hear no tape hiss!! > > What Nak cassette decks AUTOCALIBRATE for both PLAY and RECORD? Is > it only the Dragon? > > Thanks > > Ken > > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I prefer to make the recordings with ZX-9 or ZXL, G Am 16.02.2013 um 00:51 schrieb shanti ramachandran: > Gerhard and Ken, > > 1.The Dragon does not do record head azimuth alignment > automatically or manually. The Dragon's record head is fixed. Period. > 2. Dragon does auto playback head alignment ( this it does > continuously even after the green/red blinkers go off in @ 10-12 > seconds). Dragon also is a manually calibratable deck for bias and > level. > 3. Prerecorded tapes can have the reverse side noise at times. Test > by using a good quality tape recorded on a well calibrated machine. > 4. There is no Nak that adjusts record and playback azimuth. it is > either/or. The reason for this is to set a reference head. If both > are floaters the azimuth adjustment exercise is a moot job to do. > With ether of the heads being a reference point ( meaning that head > is perfectly aligned to specs) slightly rotating the other head > ( the floater) accomplishes resolution of the higher frequencies well. > > Hope that clears some misconceptions in azimuth adjustment in tape > recorders.( especially Naks) > > Enjoy your ZXE Ken. > > Ram. > > > > > From: Gerhard Wartha > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE > > 1, ZXE does auto calibrate recordings. Dragon does set the > record Azimuth automatically, record calibration is manual. > Dragon does automatically correct Play Back Azimuth in both > directions. No calibration on Playback. Equalization must be set > manual. > Dragon recordings can be made in one direction only. > > 2, I think it can be the pre-recorded cassette, best way to check > that is to use old self recorded cassettes . > And some of this cheap pre-recorded cassettes tape, if they are > made in the 1970´s, are not god to the heads. > > Gerhard > Am 15.02.2013 um 19:04 schrieb ken.crum: > >> Newbie here. Just purchased my first Nak - a 700ZXE and I am >> thoroughly impressed! >> A few questions: 1) this deck does not auto calibrate for PLAY >> BACK - <---- is this correct? >> 2) When side one of a cassette finishes playing, after a few >> seconds I can very faintly hear music from the other side - >> EXTREMELY FAINT. Does this mean the playnack head needs >> adjustment OR is it due to cheap construction of mass produced pre- >> recorded cassettes? >> >> Thanks for any responses or thoughts. >> >> I am truly truly impressed with this deck - even with Dolby NR >> turned you hear no tape hiss!! >> >> What Nak cassette decks AUTOCALIBRATE for both PLAY and RECORD? >> Is it only the Dragon? >> >> Thanks >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung tablet >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You are right.  I  prefer  to make  the recordings with ZX-9 or ZXL,   G Am 16.02.2013 um 00:51 schrieb shanti ramachandran: Gerhard and Ken, > > >1.The Dragon does not do record head azimuth alignment automatically or manually. The Dragon's record head is fixed. Period. >2. Dragon does auto playback head alignment ( this it does continuously even after the green/red blinkers go off in @ 10-12 seconds). Dragon also is a manually calibratable deck for bias and level. >3. Prerecorded tapes can have the reverse side noise at times. Test by using a good quality tape recorded on a well calibrated machine. >4. There is no Nak that adjusts record and playback azimuth. it is either/or. The reason for this is to set a reference head. If both are floaters the azimuth adjustment exercise  is a moot job to do. With ether of the heads being a reference point ( meaning that head is perfectly aligned to specs) slightly rotating the other head( the floater) accomplishes resolution of the higher frequencies well. > > >Hope that clears some misconceptions in azimuth adjustment in tape recorders.( especially Naks) > > >Enjoy your ZXE Ken. > > >Ram. > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Gerhard Wartha >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:24 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXE > > >1,  ZXE does auto calibrate  recordings. Dragon does set the  record Azimuth automatically, record calibration is manual. >    Dragon does automatically  correct Play Back Azimuth in both directions. No calibration on Playback. Equalization  must be set manual. >   Dragon recordings can be made in one direction only. > >2, I  think it can be  the pre-recorded cassette, best way to check that is to use old self recorded cassettes . >  And some of this cheap  pre-recorded cassettes tape, if they are made in the  1970´s, are  not god  to  the heads. > > >Gerhard > >Am 15.02.2013 um 19:04 schrieb ken.crum: > >Newbie here.  Just purchased my first Nak - a 700ZXE and I am thoroughly impressed! >>A few questions: 1) this deck does not auto calibrate for PLAY BACK - <---- is this correct? >>2) When side one of a cassette finishes playing, after a few seconds I can very faintly hear music from the other side - EXTREMELY FAINT.  Does this mean the playnack head needs adjustment OR is it due to cheap construction of mass produced pre-recorded cassettes? >> >> >>Thanks for any responses or thoughts. >> >> >>I am truly truly impressed with this deck - even with Dolby NR turned you hear no tape hiss!! >> >> >>What Nak cassette decks AUTOCALIBRATE for both PLAY and RECORD?  Is it only the Dragon? >> >> >>Thanks >> >> >>Ken >> >> >> >> >>Sent from Samsung tablet >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 18:06:54 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:06:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 - need main pcb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Rod, I would need a part from a transport, thats way I'm thinking from what Deck I can take it. If you make me a offer you can get a very nice main PCB or better the Deck without the transport and transformer. It is safer and less work than parting out the main PCB. Shipping will be with safe packing, air mail, it takes 12 days from europe, and will cost 60$ for the Deck. 40$.- for the main PCB, if packet is less than 4kg. G Am 17.02.2013 um 17:11 schrieb Rod Farnsworth: > I acquired a 582 recently from a local electronics recycling bin > and all seemed good with this cosmetically good cassette deck. It > plays ok but decided to open it up before going any futher with an > assessment. Well, damn it, someone had drilled though the botton > onto the main pcb and broke the board around one channel tape > select EQ circuit. It's too badly damaged to restore the pcb. A sub > board could be made to reconstruct the cct. but I don't have the > energy to do that and i Is it worth the time? The heads look fine > and the transport seems good. > > I would love to restore this deck to its proper state so does > anyone have a main PCB for a 582 to sell me? It is worth fixing? > > Rod > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 18:35:32 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:35:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 - need main pcb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361122532.20292.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I like the 582, so this is my own personal opinion. YMMV... Repairing the PCB -- possibly, assisted by a small perf board -- can be challenging, but (again, to me) worth it. I doubt a good PBC will be worth the money any seller would be likely to ask for, assuming you'll even be able to locate one for sale. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Rod Farnsworth >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:11 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 - need main pcb > > >I acquired a  582 recently from a local electronics recycling bin and all seemed good with this cosmetically good cassette deck. It plays ok but decided to open it up before going any futher with an assessment. Well, damn it, someone had drilled though the botton onto the main pcb and broke the board around one channel tape select EQ circuit. It's too badly damaged to restore the pcb. A sub board could be made to reconstruct the cct. but I don't have the energy to do that and i Is it worth the time? 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Willy On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Rod Farnsworth wrote: > I acquired a 582 recently from a local electronics recycling bin and all > seemed good with this cosmetically good cassette deck. It plays ok but > decided to open it up before going any futher with an assessment. Well, > damn it, someone had drilled though the botton onto the main pcb and broke > the board around one channel tape select EQ circuit. It's too badly damaged > to restore the pcb. A sub board could be made to reconstruct the cct. but I > don't have the energy to do that and i Is it worth the time? The heads look > fine and the transport seems good. > > I would love to restore this deck to its proper state so does anyone have > a main PCB for a 582 to sell me? It is worth fixing? > > Rod > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 21:38:05 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:38:05 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 - need main pcb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F3BAA60-9314-4116-B33C-25113B72FAE0@yahoo.com> Hi Rod, How bad is the damage? Can you post some pictures? There have been a number of instances where the PCB has been repaired and if a spare board can't be found, then perhaps this could be an option. Cheers! Sent from my iPad On 18 Feb, 2013, at 2:11 AM, Rod Farnsworth wrote: > I acquired a 582 recently from a local electronics recycling bin and all seemed good with this cosmetically good cassette deck. It plays ok but decided to open it up before going any futher with an assessment. Well, damn it, someone had drilled though the botton onto the main pcb and broke the board around one channel tape select EQ circuit. It's too badly damaged to restore the pcb. A sub board could be made to reconstruct the cct. but I don't have the energy to do that and i Is it worth the time? The heads look fine and the transport seems good. > > I would love to restore this deck to its proper state so does anyone have a main PCB for a 582 to sell me? It is worth fixing? > > Rod > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Feb 17 21:52:58 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 12:52:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Prices for shipment of belts In-Reply-To: <8F9C1278-CCC9-4858-ACF5-A9DEC11367E2@gmail.com> References: <8F9C1278-CCC9-4858-ACF5-A9DEC11367E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: My observations with no ax to grind since I do very little international shipping: The changes in the US Postal Service since the first of the month have made postage go up dramatically and international service become much more of a hassle for the shipper. Unfortunately, I don't think you're looking at a gross price gouge here given the current rules. Maybe we should just let the post office go bankrupt. Willy On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM, wrote: > Hi all, > > I can see on ebay that the shipping cost for sending belts from Fred Marrs > to the Netherlands will cost me 24 dollar. Does shipping cost becomes a > part of the profit these days? > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does shipping cost becomes a > part of the profit these days? > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Sun Feb 17 23:47:52 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:47:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Prices for shipment of belts In-Reply-To: References: <8F9C1278-CCC9-4858-ACF5-A9DEC11367E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Willy, There are other belt suppliers such as vintage electronics who has free shipping. I do a lot of Nakamichi restore work for customers here in the Netherlands but i am afraid they can't afford 60 dollars for only the belts. It is a pitty because the belts from Fred are very high quality, thats for sure. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 17 feb. 2013 om 21:52 heeft Willy Hermann het volgende geschreven: > My observations with no ax to grind since I do very little international shipping: The changes in the US Postal Service since the first of the month have made postage go up dramatically and international service become much more of a hassle for the shipper. Unfortunately, I don't think you're looking at a gross price gouge here given the current rules. Maybe we should just let the post office go bankrupt. > Willy > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM, wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I can see on ebay that the shipping cost for sending belts from Fred Marrs to the Netherlands will cost me 24 dollar. 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URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Mon Feb 18 08:34:11 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:34:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Prices for shipment of belts In-Reply-To: <4696e62e19020639ca842b583e117111.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <8F9C1278-CCC9-4858-ACF5-A9DEC11367E2@gmail.com> <4696e62e19020639ca842b583e117111.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5121D973.1040406@univ-rennes1.fr> The belt from Fred are definitely the good ones. But I agree with Norman that these kind of shipping prices are way too high. May be after a mutual agreement with Fred, he could switch to the $5 rate upon request? bernard Le 17/02/2013 22:14, Wouter Heijke a écrit : > Yeah that's the standard insane price for anything shipped with "USPS > Priority Mail International Flat Rate EnvelopeTM" > > what is more econimically is: > > "USPS First Class Mail Intl / First Class Package Intl Service" > > Then it should be around $5 to The Netherlands is my experience. > > Wouter > > > >> Hi all, >> >> I can see on ebay that the shipping cost for sending belts from Fred Marrs >> to the Netherlands will cost me 24 dollar. Does shipping cost becomes a >> part of the profit these days? >> >> Best regards >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> From mstager at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 00:20:33 2013 From: mstager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:20:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Prices for shipment of belts In-Reply-To: References: <8F9C1278-CCC9-4858-ACF5-A9DEC11367E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0MIE006W10UDGF90@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Gents: I do a lot of international shipping of my silver interconnects. While US Postal rates recently went up by about 40% (International Priority Mail for a small box went from $16.95 to $23.50) You can still send a small item like cassette deck belts in a small padded envelope by First Class international mail - much cheaper: about $8 or $9. These belts only weigh a few ounces. Best regards, Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems, New York City http://stagersound.com/silver tel: 212-595-4065 cel: 212-675-6000 ======================== At 05:47 PM 2/17/2013, you wrote: >Thanks Willy, > There are other belt suppliers such as vintage electronics who has > free shipping. I do a lot of Nakamichi restore work for customers > here in the Netherlands but i am afraid they can't afford 60 > dollars for only the belts. It is a pitty because the belts from > Fred are very high quality, thats for sure. > >Best regards, >Norman > >Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >Op 17 feb. 2013 om 21:52 heeft Willy Hermann ><willy at willyhermannservices.com> >het volgende geschreven: > >>My observations with no ax to grind since I do very little >>international shipping: The changes in the US Postal Service since >>the first of the month have made postage go up dramatically and >>international service become much more of a hassle for the >>shipper. Unfortunately, I don't think you're looking at a gross >>price gouge here given the current rules. Maybe we should just let >>the post office go bankrupt. >>Willy >> >>On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM, >><n.van.wijnen at gmail.com> wrote: >>Hi all, >>I can see on ebay that the shipping cost for sending belts from >>Fred Marrs to the Netherlands will cost me 24 dollar. Does shipping >>cost becomes a part of the profit these days? >> >>Best regards >>Norman >>Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Feb 18 00:35:47 2013 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Sahlmueller) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:35:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 - need main pcb References: Message-ID: <3C4174FE8B98424B8EEC202C31E521CD@ownerb80a4b675> Hi Rod, I have a 582 I bought for heads (which turned out to be no good) so I should have what ever parts you need if Willy doesn't have. In Canada though so shipping might be pricey Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod Farnsworth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 - need main pcb I acquired a 582 recently from a local electronics recycling bin and all seemed good with this cosmetically good cassette deck. It plays ok but decided to open it up before going any futher with an assessment. Well, damn it, someone had drilled though the botton onto the main pcb and broke the board around one channel tape select EQ circuit. It's too badly damaged to restore the pcb. A sub board could be made to reconstruct the cct. but I don't have the energy to do that and i Is it worth the time? The heads look fine and the transport seems good. I would love to restore this deck to its proper state so does anyone have a main PCB for a 582 to sell me? It is worth fixing? 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URL: From michaelalanmarks at aol.com Mon Feb 18 09:22:15 2013 From: michaelalanmarks at aol.com (Michael Marks) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 03:22:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Prices for shipment of belts In-Reply-To: <5121D973.1040406@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <8F9C1278-CCC9-4858-ACF5-A9DEC11367E2@gmail.com> <4696e62e19020639ca842b583e117111.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <5121D973.1040406@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <5AB327BC-23B7-413B-B753-94954612A2D1@aol.com> I ship overseas all the time. While you can ship overseas for $5-$20 per item there is no insurance. If you want to protect yourself or the customer with insurance you need to ship Priority Mail and this usually raises a $5 shipping cost to $30-$35. So it is a catch22. No insurance and take the risk or use insurance and pay an extra $25. It is always a hard decision. Also note if you are buying in E-Bay they take about 12% of the fee so if it costs him $12 to ship it to you and you pay him $12 he only gets about $10 and he looses $2 on shipping. If he has to pay someone to go Ti the post office he looses even more with gas and the hourly wage he pays his employee. Shipping always costs more than you think. Sent from Michael's new iPhone 4 On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:34 AM, bb wrote: > The belt from Fred are definitely the good ones. > But I agree with Norman that these kind of shipping prices are way too high. > > May be after a mutual agreement with Fred, he could switch to the $5 rate upon request? > > bernard > > > Le 17/02/2013 22:14, Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> Yeah that's the standard insane price for anything shipped with "USPS >> Priority Mail International Flat Rate EnvelopeTM" >> >> what is more econimically is: >> >> "USPS First Class Mail Intl / First Class Package Intl Service" >> >> Then it should be around $5 to The Netherlands is my experience. >> >> Wouter >> >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I can see on ebay that the shipping cost for sending belts from Fred Marrs >>> to the Netherlands will cost me 24 dollar. Does shipping cost becomes a >>> part of the profit these days? >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >>> >>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 20:09:58 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:09:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Prices for shipment of belts In-Reply-To: References: <8F9C1278-CCC9-4858-ACF5-A9DEC11367E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361214598.78253.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Norman,  Perhaps you could also buy in larger quantity to spread the costs? Cheers! ________________________________ From: Ziggo To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Prices for shipment of belts Thanks Willy,  There are other belt suppliers such as vintage electronics who has free shipping. I do a lot of Nakamichi restore work for customers here in the Netherlands but i am afraid they can't afford 60 dollars for only the belts. It is a pitty because the belts from Fred are very high quality, thats for sure. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 17 feb. 2013 om 21:52 heeft Willy Hermann het volgende geschreven: My observations with no ax to grind since I do very little international shipping:  The changes in the US Postal Service since the first of the month have made postage go up dramatically and international service become much more of a hassle for the shipper.  Unfortunately, I don't think you're looking at a gross price gouge here given the current rules.  Maybe we should just let the post office go bankrupt. >Willy > > > >On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM, wrote: > >Hi all, >> >>I can see on ebay that the shipping cost for sending belts from Fred Marrs to the Netherlands will cost me 24 dollar. 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It plays ok but decided to open it up before going any futher with an assessment. Well, damn it, someone had drilled though the botton onto the main pcb and broke the board around one channel tape select EQ circuit. It's too badly damaged to restore the pcb. A sub board could be made to reconstruct the cct. but I don't have the energy to do that and i Is it worth the time? The heads look fine and the transport seems good. I would love to restore this deck to its proper state so does anyone have a main PCB for a 582 to sell me? It is worth fixing? Rod ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidfrow at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 19:22:42 2013 From: davidfrow at hotmail.com (David Frow) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:22:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680/680ZX - play head needed In-Reply-To: <3C4174FE8B98424B8EEC202C31E521CD@ownerb80a4b675> References: , <3C4174FE8B98424B8EEC202C31E521CD@ownerb80a4b675> Message-ID: Hi all, I have a 680 with a play head open circuit on one channel. I'd like one of the selected 680/680ZX PB heads if anyone has one available. I also need a PB head for a 482Z. Please let me know if you can help. Thanks, David. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Fri Feb 22 21:50:41 2013 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanouil Komninos) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:50:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a DR-1 -How to change the capstan belt Message-ID: Hi to all Naktalkers! I have a DR-1 deck which since yesterday will not stay in play mode. It starts - very slowly- playing a tape, but stops after few seconds of playing time on stop mode.... FF and REW work just fine. I opened the top cover and noticed that the capstan belt is too loose. This deck has been in my collection since new (1992) and never had a belt change....(unless the problem is not the capstan belt which i doubt)... Fortunately i had a set of belts from Fred and the SM for the unit, which, i believe for such issue has no use, but, as far as i am concerned, despite the fact that this deck is not so "busy" and complex inside as other NAKs with the classic transport, i find it very hard to figure out how to proceed to get in there and change the capstan belt without doing any other damage that will lead to more complex mechanical problems, which i will not be able to fix on my own. I would very much appreciate any inputs you may have on how to proceed and if you think this is a task that someone with medium skills can do with step by step instructions. Thank you for your time, Manos From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 23:00:23 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:00:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a DR-1 -How to change the capstan belt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361656823.85977.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> IIRC, the DR-1 utilized a DD Sankyo transport. Replacing the capstan belt (actually, the supply capstan, as the takeup capstan is DD) is fairly simple. From memory: looking at the transport from the rear, remove the 4 small screws holding the capstan motor PCB. The wires going to the PCB are rather long, permitting pushing it asidewithout desoldering anything, just free up the metal tie strip holding all these wires together. With the PCB out of the way, you can see a diagonal metal strip supporting the supply flywheel, held with one screw. Remove the screw and the diagonal strip. Note the exact orientation of the old belt, then remove it. Thoroughly clean contact areas of both flywheels with a piece of clean rag dampened with isopropyl alcohol, after which avoid touching the cleaned areas. Put on vinyl gloves. Clean the new belt, When dry, thread it around the two pulleys, exactly as the original belt was. Put a tiny blob of light general purpose grease on the Delrin circle on the diagonal strip. Reassemble in reverse order. Voila, you're done! All that said, I am not sure your problem has to do with the capstan belt (even though it's a good idea to replace it after all these years). Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Emmanouil Komninos >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:50 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a DR-1 -How to change the capstan belt > >Hi to all Naktalkers! >I have a DR-1 deck which since yesterday  will not stay in play mode. It starts - very slowly- playing a tape, but stops after few seconds of playing time on stop mode.... FF and REW  work just fine. I opened the top cover and noticed that the capstan belt is too loose. This deck has been in my collection since new (1992) and never had a belt change....(unless the problem is not the capstan belt which i doubt)... Fortunately i had a set of belts from Fred and  the SM for the unit, which,  i believe for such issue has no use, but, as far as i am concerned, despite the fact that this deck is not so "busy" and complex inside  as other NAKs with the classic transport, i find it very hard to figure out how to proceed to get in there and change the capstan belt without doing any other damage that will lead to more complex mechanical problems, which i will not be able to fix on my own. I would very much appreciate  any inputs you may have  on how to proceed and if you think this is a task that someone with medium skills can do with step by step instructions. Thank you for your time,  Manos >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Feb 24 00:50:31 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:50:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 610 Message-ID: Hello NakTalkers - I have a question about the function of a 610 mixer/preamp: It has an internal oscillator. Does anybody know what level you are supposed to be able to achieve with this oscillator? 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Terry From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: 23 February 2013 23:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 610 Hello NakTalkers - I have a question about the function of a 610 mixer/preamp: It has an internal oscillator. Does anybody know what level you are supposed to be able to achieve with this oscillator? I would assume at least 0dB but I can't find an owner's manual anywhere and I haven't had one of these in my hands in many long moons. Thanks for your help. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Feb 24 17:23:13 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:23:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 610 In-Reply-To: <005d01ce1293$1fc771a0$5f5654e0$@com> References: <005d01ce1293$1fc771a0$5f5654e0$@com> Message-ID: Thanks Terry - helps immensely. As I thought this one has a problem. Willy On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Terry Finn wrote: > Hi Willy**** > > ** ** > > Not seen one for a while either (useful bit of kit) can’t lay my hands on > my S/m BUT, **** > > ** ** > > Have checked the spec sheet and Tech sheet 7 and output will depend on > where you want it to end up at!**** > > As the output pot is before the Master VR ,monitor VR and monitor output > levels.**** > > The shortest path will be to the line out which the spec sheet is saying > (for 0db) is:**** > > Line out: 316mV/600 ohms/1K ohms5V @10K, **** > > Rec out: 316mV/2.2K/50K**** > > Max output at clipping at both the above is 5V.**** > > ** ** > > Hope that helps...**** > > ** ** > > Terry**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Willy Hermann > *Sent:* 23 February 2013 23:51 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] 610**** > > ** ** > > Hello NakTalkers -**** > > I have a question about the function of a 610 mixer/preamp:**** > > It has an internal oscillator. Does anybody know what level you are > supposed to be able to achieve with this oscillator? I would assume at > least 0dB but I can't find an owner's manual anywhere and I haven't had one > of these in my hands in many long moons.**** > > Thanks for your help.**** > > Willy**** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpha at iinet.net.au Sun Feb 24 11:26:10 2013 From: alpha at iinet.net.au (Nigel Day) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:26:10 +0800 Subject: FW: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers Message-ID: Hi Bernard If you have any rollers left, would thery be suitable for a 1000 Tri Tracer? If not, have you any idea where I might find rollers for this model? Cheers Nigel -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012 3:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers Dear Naktalkers, I have (again) 8 sets of original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell (0C0 8164 G). They fit all classic transport decks (I have a doubt about the RX 303 & 505 for which the ref number is different). I should add that one set was recently mounted on a ZX-9 by one of us and they match exactly and work properly If interested, please contact me off list. bernard From adcdcs at yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 17:54:30 2013 From: adcdcs at yahoo.com (Alexander Collins) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:54:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 610 In-Reply-To: <005d01ce1293$1fc771a0$5f5654e0$@com> References: <005d01ce1293$1fc771a0$5f5654e0$@com> Message-ID: <1361724870.37786.YahooMailNeo@web141001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hello y'all. I am new to this and not sure how it works. I have several decks, and recently acquired a1000zxl. It worked great at first. Just a little delay on the left channel VLU meters, but no problem on the sound. However, when I tried to record, whatever signal I input into it, when monitoring it it is super garbled and distorted and only the right channel sends this horrible sound. It also won't do the auto calibration correctly. It just keeps going until the end of the tape. Any hope??? Thank You and very best regards to all Naktalkers out there. >________________________________ > From: Terry Finn >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:30 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 610 > > >Hi Willy >  >Not seen one for a while either (useful bit of kit) can’t lay my hands on my S/m BUT,   >  >Have checked the spec sheet and Tech sheet 7 and output will depend on where you want it to end up at! >As the output pot is before the Master VR ,monitor VR and monitor output levels. >The shortest path will be to the line out which the spec sheet is saying (for 0db) is: >Line out: 316mV/600 ohms/1K ohms5V @10K, >Rec out: 316mV/2.2K/50K >Max output at clipping at both the above is 5V. >  >Hope that helps... >  >Terry >  >  >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann >Sent: 23 February 2013 23:51 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] 610 >  >Hello NakTalkers - >I have a question about the function of a 610 mixer/preamp: >It has an internal oscillator.  Does anybody know what level you are supposed to be able to achieve with this oscillator?  I would assume at least 0dB but I can't find an owner's manual anywhere and I haven't had one of these in my hands in many long moons. >Thanks for your help. >Willy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 24 19:03:55 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:03:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 610 In-Reply-To: <1361724870.37786.YahooMailNeo@web141001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <005d01ce1293$1fc771a0$5f5654e0$@com> <1361724870.37786.YahooMailNeo@web141001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is hope, brother. You need to send it to someone who can service it. A few hundred dollars will do miracles on the ZXL Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 24/02/2013, a las 11:54, Alexander Collins escribió: > Hello y'all. > > I am new to this and not sure how it works. > I have several decks, and recently acquired a1000zxl. > It worked great at first. Just a little delay on the left channel VLU meters, but no problem on the sound. > However, when I tried to record, whatever signal I input into it, when monitoring it > it is super garbled and distorted and only the right channel sends this horrible sound. > It also won't do the auto calibration correctly. It just keeps going until the end of the tape. > Any hope??? > > > Thank You and very best regards to all Naktalkers out there. > > From: Terry Finn > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:30 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 610 > > Hi Willy > > Not seen one for a while either (useful bit of kit) can’t lay my hands on my S/m BUT, > > Have checked the spec sheet and Tech sheet 7 and output will depend on where you want it to end up at! > As the output pot is before the Master VR ,monitor VR and monitor output levels. > The shortest path will be to the line out which the spec sheet is saying (for 0db) is: > Line out: 316mV/600 ohms/1K ohms5V @10K, > Rec out: 316mV/2.2K/50K > Max output at clipping at both the above is 5V. > > Hope that helps... > > Terry > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann > Sent: 23 February 2013 23:51 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] 610 > > Hello NakTalkers - > I have a question about the function of a 610 mixer/preamp: > It has an internal oscillator. 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Bernard > > Hi Bernard > If you have any rollers left, would thery be suitable for a 1000 Tri Tracer? > > If not, have you any idea where I might find rollers for this model? > > Cheers > > Nigel > > From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 21:09:35 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:09:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers In-Reply-To: <512A661B.5090907@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <512A661B.5090907@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <6084DEEE-EF88-4278-B75A-F2597112F7C1@gmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Andruck roller klein.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 60990 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Am 24.02.2013 um 20:12 schrieb bb: > Hi Nigel, > > Yes I still have some rollers but according to what I have seen in > the 1000II SM, and conversely to the 1000ZXL, I would say that the > 0C08164G do not fit the Tri Tracer. > Could someone confirm ? > > And I have no idea where to find some. > > Bernard > >> Hi Bernard >> If you have any rollers left, would thery be suitable for a 1000 >> Tri Tracer? >> >> If not, have you any idea where I might find rollers for this model? >> >> Cheers >> >> Nigel >> >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Mon Feb 25 06:20:25 2013 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:20:25 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 610 References: Message-ID: Hi Willy, You should get one ;o)... the venerable 610/620 combo is still the core of my main system at home.. still floats my boat 35 years on.. I guess the oscillator would go to +10dB as you set the level using the 610's meters, and then reference any work back to that. I've used it as a quick frequency check on tapedecks (mainly the 14K signal), and level setting with pink noise when comparing speakers, that is about it. I can scan the owners manual if you like tomorrow, and email over. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] 610 Hello NakTalkers - I have a question about the function of a 610 mixer/preamp: It has an internal oscillator. Does anybody know what level you are supposed to be able to achieve with this oscillator? I would assume at least 0dB but I can't find an owner's manual anywhere and I haven't had one of these in my hands in many long moons. Thanks for your help. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 22:45:09 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:45:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 610 In-Reply-To: <1361724870.37786.YahooMailNeo@web141001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <005d01ce1293$1fc771a0$5f5654e0$@com> <1361724870.37786.YahooMailNeo@web141001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1361742309.83485.YahooMailNeo@web120902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alex, If there is issues with the playback on one channel the ZXL will not( can not) calibrate. Send it to a technician that has a good knowledge of the workings of a ZXL It might need a complete look over and a complete calibration after the defective capacitors( and /or other components) are replaced. IMHO, it is better to replace al known to fail PP  caps and recalibrate the deck . I can suggest Willy Hermann in the USA, or if you've got mega bucks, ESL in CT. Just be careful who you send it to, as most individuals know nothing about the ZXL decks. Good luck. Ram. ________________________________ From: Alexander Collins To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 610 Hello y'all. I am new to this and not sure how it works. I have several decks, and recently acquired a1000zxl. It worked great at first. Just a little delay on the left channel VLU meters, but no problem on the sound. However, when I tried to record, whatever signal I input into it, when monitoring it it is super garbled and distorted and only the right channel sends this horrible sound. It also won't do the auto calibration correctly. It just keeps going until the end of the tape. Any hope??? Thank You and very best regards to all Naktalkers out there. >________________________________ > From: Terry Finn >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:30 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 610 > > >Hi Willy >  >Not seen one for a while either (useful bit of kit) can’t lay my hands on my S/m BUT,   >  >Have checked the spec sheet and Tech sheet 7 and output will depend on where you want it to end up at! >As the output pot is before the Master VR ,monitor VR and monitor output levels. >The shortest path will be to the line out which the spec sheet is saying (for 0db) is: >Line out: 316mV/600 ohms/1K ohms5V @10K, >Rec out: 316mV/2.2K/50K >Max output at clipping at both the above is 5V. >  >Hope that helps... >  >Terry >  >  >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann >Sent: 23 February 2013 23:51 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] 610 >  >Hello NakTalkers - >I have a question about the function of a 610 mixer/preamp: >It has an internal oscillator.  Does anybody know what level you are supposed to be able to achieve with this oscillator?  I would assume at least 0dB but I can't find an owner's manual anywhere and I haven't had one of these in my hands in many long moons. >Thanks for your help. >Willy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Feb 24 23:10:27 2013 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] looking for 3 chrome transport push buttons covers for nak 700zxe/700zxl Message-ID: <28753.762243de.3e5be9d3@aol.com> Hi Everyone, I am looking for 3 chrome tape transport chrome covers that goes on the push buttons like fast forward, rewind, play, record for the nakamichi 700zxe /700zxl cassette deck. If anyone have them please let me know what is the cost and ordering info with shipping to zipcode 22102, USA. Thanks1 Ali In a message dated 2/23/2013 7:20:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, willy at willyhermannservices.com writes: Hello NakTalkers - I have a question about the function of a 610 mixer/preamp: It has an internal oscillator. Does anybody know what level you are supposed to be able to achieve with this oscillator? I would assume at least 0dB but I can't find an owner's manual anywhere and I haven't had one of these in my hands in many long moons. Thanks for your help. Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paolocipx at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 11:04:20 2013 From: paolocipx at gmail.com (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:04:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX: the cal switch was indeed dirty! Message-ID: I wish to thank Willy and other members who pointed me to the right direction. I simply couldn't believe that the cal switch, that exhibited such weird behaviors, could only be dirty. After a few days, after which probably the dry oxide cleaner was left able to do its thing, the problem was solved. Thanks again. O.T.: I've been away from Naktalk for a while, and have seen a while back some interest in the Beocord 9000. I've had the luck lately of getting a recently serviced one, although, predictably, it *was* out of whack calibration wise. I studied it quite a bit while setting it right, so, if there's any interest I could post a short review. Ciao, Paolo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2013\2013-January.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Jan 1 00:12:38 2013 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground problem. Cheers and Happy New Year, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair. Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. -Andrew On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler. I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, as these idlers tend to live forever. So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. Let us know hoe you're doing, -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Hello Naks, new member here. A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? 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URL: From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 1 14:35:31 2013 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (Dave) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:35:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> Check your connections on the rear, input vs output From David On Dec 31, 2012, at 18:12, "Rainer & Joy-Ell" wrote: > Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground problem. > > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Rainer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: drucyphr > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > -Andrew > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >> >> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks >> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your >> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every >> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> From: drucyphr >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair. >> >> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >> >> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >> >> -Andrew >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct >> driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. >> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler. >> >> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds >> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or >> glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply >> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, >> as these idlers tend to live forever. >> >> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of >> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no >> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe >> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If >> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >> >> Let us know hoe you're doing, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> From: drucyphr >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> Hello Naks, new member here. >> >> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >> >> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >> >> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. >> >> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >> >> Thanks for the help. >> -Andrew >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Tue Jan 1 16:56:55 2013 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 10:56:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: <201301011109.r01B88jS009829@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <201301011712.r01HBdA8010550@zxe.naks.com> For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here is a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads. I would not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like high frequency loss. Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all those old tapes ;-). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk Ciao Rob -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) 2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) 3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) 4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (Rainer & Joy-Ell) 5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 338750 ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series. That cable is not for CD Players or the ST-7 tuner. The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the tuner uses a DIN-7. I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than the cost of the genuine SRC-1. Scott --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: From: andrei kho Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 From: drucyphr Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > your > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > -- Ron > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > -Andrew > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take > up capstan is direct > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is > driven through an idler. > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear > idler. > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. > What you describe sounds > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could > be mechanical (a bad or > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the > the drive electronics or simply > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate > (two tiny screws on top of > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the > deck to PLAY mode (no > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a > finger. If you observe > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating > surfaces very thoroughly. If > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground problem. Cheers and Happy New Year, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair. Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. -Andrew On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler. I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, as these idlers tend to live forever. So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. Let us know hoe you're doing, -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Hello Naks, new member here. A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? 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DO NOT use alcohol on the rubber rollers.  Use American Recorder S-721H, which is a professional cleaning fluid and is safe for use on all metal and plastic tape heads, guides and rubber parts. Jayson  ________________________________ From: RSB To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here is a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads.  I would not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like high frequency loss.  Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all those old tapes ;-). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk Ciao Rob -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to     naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at     naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics:   1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em)   2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson)   3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr)   4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions       (Rainer & Joy-Ell)   5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID:     <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 338750 ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 From: drucyphr Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > your > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > -- Ron > > > > >  ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > -Andrew > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take > up capstan is direct > driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is > driven through an idler. > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear > idler. > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. > What you describe sounds > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could > be mechanical (a bad or > glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the > the drive electronics or simply > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate > (two tiny screws on top of > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the > deck to PLAY mode (no > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a > finger. If you observe > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating > surfaces very thoroughly. If > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > -- Ron > > > >  ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there > any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? > > Thanks for the help. > -Andrew > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground problem. Cheers and Happy New Year, Rainer   ----- Original Message -----   From: drucyphr   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks   Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM   Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions   I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works.   Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5.   If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond.   Thanks and happy New Years!   -Andrew   On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote:     > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number?     Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks     that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your     deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor     (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every     couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem.     -- Ron --------------------------------------------------------------------------       From: drucyphr       To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks       Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM       Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions       Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair.       Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured.       I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help.       -Andrew       On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote:         The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct         driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler.         Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler.         I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds         like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or         glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply         incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical,         as these idlers tend to live forever.         So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of         the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no         cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe         slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If         that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire.         Let us know hoe you're doing,         -- Ron ----------------------------------------------------------------------           From: drucyphr           To: naktalk at naks.com           Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM           Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions           Hello Naks, new member here.           A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi.           The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled.           I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire..           Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 20:05:31 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 11:05:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: <1357063027.97168.YahooMailNeo@web140605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357067131.26458.YahooMailClassic@web120904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I agree with Jayson. I would never use isopropyl alcohol on my rollers and yet never use 70% alcohol on any part of my decks. S-721H is superb and safe. Ram. --- On Tue, 1/1/13, Jayson Levitz wrote: > From: Jayson Levitz > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance > To: "tr463rsb at comcast.net" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 12:57 PM > This video has > misinformation. DO NOT use alcohol on the rubber > rollers.  Use American Recorder S-721H, which is a > professional cleaning fluid and is safe for use on all metal > and plastic tape heads, guides and rubber parts. > > Jayson  > > > > From: RSB > > To: > naktalk at naks.com > Sent: > Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM > Subject: > [naktalk] Tape > Head Maintenance > > For those that are interested (I posted a question on this > earlier), here is > a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape > heads.  I would > not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an > issue, like high > frequency loss.  Good info for keeping up our old Naks, > esp playing all > those old tapes ;-). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk > > Ciao > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, > 2013 6:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >     naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >     http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to >     naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at >     naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > >   1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) >   2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) >   3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > (drucyphr) >   4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >       (Rainer & Joy-Ell) >   5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: >     <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 > 338750 > > > > ________________________________ > From: andrei kho > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > > Looking > for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you > have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD > Players and ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male > sockets on both > ends. > Andrei > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: >     <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible > preamp or > receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series.  That cable is > not for CD Players or > the ST-7 tuner.  The CD player uses a different shape > DIN-8 connect and the > tuner uses a DIN-7. > > I have custom made all three types of these cables for > people for less than > the cost of the genuine SRC-1. > > Scott > > --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho > wrote: > > > From: andrei kho > > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM > > > > > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If > you have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD > Players and ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male > sockets on both > ends. > Andrei > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 > From: drucyphr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair > questions > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: >     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I > encountered a couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer > that holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the > washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I > ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the > shaft. All said > and > done the repair did fix my initial problem and the > transport now works. > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the > master output shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume > output slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the > front panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible > problems/solutions > please respond. > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > -Andrew > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron > wrote: > > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it > uses a rubber tire > > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using > the serial number? > > > > Not really. The gear update was available as a > replacement part for decks > > that originally came with a > rubber idler and there's no telling whether > > your > > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber > design was poor > > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a > tire replacement every > > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed > the problem. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > >  ------------------------------ > > *From:* drucyphr > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 > repair questions > > > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub > and idler today. I > > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if > that is the > problem I > > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses > a rubber tire or > > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the > serial number? I am > > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the > help. > > > > -Andrew > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron > wrote: > > > > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive > transport. The take > > up capstan is direct > > driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During > PLAY, the takeup hub is > > driven through an idler. > > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later > upgraded to a gear > > idler. > > > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the > supply > capstan belt. > > What you describe sounds > > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber > idler, the cause could > > be mechanical (a bad or > > glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad > reel motor, fault in the > > the drive electronics or simply > > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear > idler, it's > > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove > the cassette back plate > > (two tiny screws on top of > > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the > rubber idler, put the > > deck to PLAY mode (no > > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub > movement with the tip of a > > finger. If you observe > > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, > clean all mating > > surfaces very thoroughly. If > > that doesn't do the trick, then > replace the idler tire. > > > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > >  ------------------------------ > > *From:* drucyphr > > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair > questions > > > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first > Nakamichi deck after doing > > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a > gently used > > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% > working order when he > > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it > was pulling tape. > I > > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working > unit for a decent > > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but > never on a Nakamichi. > > > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it > turns on. All the > > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you > press play the reel > > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and > Rew you can hear the > > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did > not get pulled. > > > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler > tire. > > > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the > process pretty straight > > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the > repair? Are there > > any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit > is open? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > -Andrew > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          >               Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 > From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair > questions > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a > further clue as what > the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing > idler tire ? > Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I > think ground > problem. > > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Rainer >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: drucyphr >   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >   Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM >   Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 > repair questions > > >   I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I > encountered a couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer > that holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the > washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I > ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the > shaft. All said > and done the > repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now > works. > > >   Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, > the master output shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume > output slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the > front panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > >   If anyone has any recommendations on any other > possible problems/solutions > please respond. > > >   Thanks and happy New Years! > > >   -Andrew > > > >   On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron > wrote: > >     > Besides visually inspecting the idler to > see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the > serial number? > > >     Not really. The gear update was available as a > replacement part for > decks >     that originally came with a rubber idler and > there's no telling whether > your > >     deck was upgraded without actually looking. > The rubber design was poor > >     (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it > required a tire replacement > every > >     couple of years in average use. The gear > totally fixed the problem. > > > >     -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >       From: drucyphr >       To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >       Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 > PM >       Subject: Re: > [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > >       Thanks for the replies. I will inspect > the takeup hub and idler today. > I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that > is the problem I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > >       Besides visually inspecting the idler > to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the > serial number? I > am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > >       I'll post back with results, thanks > for all the help. > >       -Andrew > > >       On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron > > wrote: > > >         The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo > dual capstan Direct Drive transport. > The take up capstan is direct > >         driven, the supply capstan is > belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup > hub is driven through an idler. >         Originally, that was a rubber > idler, which was later upgraded to a > gear idler. > >         I doubt very much your problem > has to do with the supply capstan > belt. What you describe sounds >         like a take up problem. If your > deck has the rubber idler, the cause > could be mechanical (a bad or >         glazed idler) It could also be > electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault > in the the drive electronics or simply >         incorrect torque adjustment). If > your deck uses a gear idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, >         as these idlers tend to live > forever. > >         So, don't order anything > right now. First, remove the > cassette back > plate (two tiny screws on top of >         the plate) and inspect the > transport. If you see the rubber idler, > put the deck to PLAY mode (no >         cassette in the well) and hinder > the takeup hub movement with the > tip of a finger. If you observe >         slippage between the pulley and > idler or idler and hub, clean all > mating surfaces very thoroughly. If >         that doesn't do the trick, > then replace the idler tire. > >         Let us know hoe you're > doing, > >         -- Ron > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >           From: drucyphr >           To: naktalk at naks.com > >           Sent: Thursday, December > 6, 2012 10:10 AM >           Subject: [naktalk] New > member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > >           Hello Naks, new member > here. > > >           A little about my Nak. I > just received my first Nakamichi deck > after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I > found a gently > used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% > working order when > he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it > was pulling tape. > I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working > unit for a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on > a Nakamichi. > > >           The deck powers on. You > can hear a motor noise when it turns on. > All > the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you > press play the > reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and > Rew you can hear > the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did > not get pulled. > > >           I am assuming it needs > new capstan belts and idler tire.. > > >           Should I order a belt kit > from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty > straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining > the repair? Are > there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit > is open? > > >           Thanks for the help. >           -Andrew > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >     Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >                 >   Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >           Maintain your account > here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >   Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >                 Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >         Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 Also > check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >               Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >       Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >               Also check > out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >             Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >     > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >   ======= >   Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware > found. >   (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: > 6.20930) >   http://www.pctools.com >   ======= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > >   > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >             Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >   > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >     >                 >       Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >   Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >   > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >   ======= >   Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware > found. >   (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: > 6.20930) >   http://www.pctools.com/ >   ======= > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > -------------- next part > -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/17a6bb23/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:25:52 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: >     <1357010752.92678.YahooMailNeo at web163904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Also you probably want to look at the wiki page for the > remote control > reference doc. > http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/RemoteControlReference.pdf > > > > > ________________________________ > From: andreikho > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If > you have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD > Players and ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male > sockets on both > ends. > > Andrei > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/27402766/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue > 1 > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 15:38:41 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:38:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: <201301011712.r01HBdA8010550@zxe.naks.com> References: <201301011109.r01B88jS009829@zxe.naks.com> <201301011712.r01HBdA8010550@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1357137521.55299.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again  :-). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: RSB >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance > >For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here is >a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads.  I would >not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like high >frequency loss.  Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all >those old tapes ;-). > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk > >Ciao > >Rob > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of naktalk-request at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 > >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >    naktalk at naks.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >    http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >    naktalk-request at naks.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at >    naktalk-owner at naks.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > >Naktalk digest mailing list > > >Today's Topics: > >  1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) >  2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) >  3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) >  4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >      (Rainer & Joy-Ell) >  5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) >From: fripp_em >Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: >    <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 >338750 > > > >________________________________ >From: andrei kho >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM >Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > >Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >one it's fine. > >This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both >ends. >Andrei >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at >tachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) >From: Scott Johnson >Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: >    <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or >receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series.  That cable is not for CD Players or >the ST-7 tuner.  The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the >tuner uses a DIN-7. > >I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than >the cost of the genuine SRC-1. > >Scott > >--- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: > > >From: andrei kho >Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM > > > > > > > >Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >one it's fine. > >This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both >ends. >Andrei > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at >tachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 >From: drucyphr >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: >    >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple >of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the >idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. > >Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows >a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider >causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and >spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > >If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions >please respond. > >Thanks and happy New Years! > >-Andrew > > >On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > >> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >> or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >> >> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks >> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >> your >> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every >> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >>  ------------------------------ >> *From:* drucyphr >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I >> went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I >> will have the part handy to make the repair. >> >> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or >> gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am >> kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >> >> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >> >> -Andrew >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> >> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take >> up capstan is direct >> driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is >> driven through an idler. >> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear >> idler. >> >> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. >> What you describe sounds >> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could >> be mechanical (a bad or >> glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the >> the drive electronics or simply >> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >> unlikely the problem is mechanical, >> as these idlers tend to live forever. >> >> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate >> (two tiny screws on top of >> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the >> deck to PLAY mode (no >> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a >> finger. If you observe >> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating >> surfaces very thoroughly. If >> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >> >> Let us know hoe you're doing, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >>  ------------------------------ >> *From:* drucyphr >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> Hello Naks, new member here. >> >> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing >> a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used >> one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he >> listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. >I >> talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent >> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >> >> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the >> lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel >> spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the >> motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >> >> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. >> >> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight >> forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there >> any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >> >> Thanks for the help. >> -Andrew >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at >tachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 >From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what >the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? >Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground >problem. > >Cheers and Happy New Year, >Rainer >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: drucyphr >  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM >  Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > >  I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple >of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the >idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. > > >  Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows >a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider >causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and >spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > >  If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions >please respond. > > >  Thanks and happy New Years! > > >  -Andrew > > > >  On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > >    > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > >    Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for >decks >    that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >your > >    deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > >    (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement >every > >    couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > > >    -- Ron > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >      From: drucyphr >      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >      Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >      Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > >      Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. >I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I >will have the part handy to make the repair. > >      Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I >am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > >      I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > >      -Andrew > > >      On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > >        The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. >The take up capstan is direct >        driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup >hub is driven through an idler. >        Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a >gear idler. > >        I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan >belt. What you describe sounds >        like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause >could be mechanical (a bad or >        glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault >in the the drive electronics or simply >        incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >unlikely the problem is mechanical, >        as these idlers tend to live forever. > >        So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back >plate (two tiny screws on top of >        the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, >put the deck to PLAY mode (no >        cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the >tip of a finger. If you observe >        slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all >mating surfaces very thoroughly. If >        that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > >        Let us know hoe you're doing, > >        -- Ron > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >          From: drucyphr >          To: naktalk at naks.com >          Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >          Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > >          Hello Naks, new member here. > > >          A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck >after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently >used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when >he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. >I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent >price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > >          The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. >All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the >reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear >the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > >          I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. > > >          Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty >straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are >there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? > > >          Thanks for the help. >          -Andrew > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                    Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                                  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >          Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                                Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >        Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                              Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >      Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >              Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                            Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >    Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >  ======= >  Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >  (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >  http://www.pctools.com >  ======= > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > > >  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >            Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                          Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >  ======= >  Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >  (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >  http://www.pctools.com/ >  ======= > > > > >======= >Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >(Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >http://www.pctools.com/ >======= >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/17a6bb23/at >tachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:25:52 -0800 (PST) >From: fripp_em >Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: >    <1357010752.92678.YahooMailNeo at web163904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Also you probably want to look at the wiki page for the remote control >reference doc. >http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/RemoteControlReference.pdf > > > > >________________________________ >From: andreikho >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM >Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > >Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >one it's fine. > >This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both >ends. >Andrei > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/27402766/at >tachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 >*************************************** > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dennis On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: > > I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 > hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies > have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again :-). > > -- Ron > > ------------------------------ > *From:* RSB > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance > > For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here > is > a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads. I would > not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like > high > frequency loss. Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all > those old tapes ;-). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk > > Ciao > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) > 2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) > 3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) > 4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > (Rainer & Joy-Ell) > 5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 > 338750 > > > > ________________________________ > From: andrei kho > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and > ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on > both > ends. > Andrei > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or > receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series. That cable is not for CD Players or > the ST-7 tuner. The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the > tuner uses a DIN-7. > > I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than > the cost of the genuine SRC-1. > > Scott > > --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: > > > From: andrei kho > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM > > > > > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and > ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on > both > ends. > Andrei > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 > From: drucyphr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said > and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions > please respond. > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > -Andrew > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks > > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > > your > > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement > every > > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* drucyphr > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I > > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem > I > > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or > > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I > am > > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > > > -Andrew > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The > take > > up capstan is direct > > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub > is > > driven through an idler. > > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear > > idler. > > > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. > > What you describe sounds > > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause > could > > be mechanical (a bad or > > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in > the > > the drive electronics or simply > > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate > > (two tiny screws on top of > > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put > the > > deck to PLAY mode (no > > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of > a > > finger. If you observe > > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating > > surfaces very thoroughly. If > > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* drucyphr > > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after > doing > > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used > > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he > > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. > I > > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the > > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel > > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the > > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. > > > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight > > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there > > any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > -Andrew > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 > From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as > what > the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? > Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground > problem. > > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Rainer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: drucyphr > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a > couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said > and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. > > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output > shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible > problems/solutions > please respond. > > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > > -Andrew > > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for > decks > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > your > > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement > every > > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: drucyphr > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler > today. > I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem > I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I > am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > -Andrew > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. > The take up capstan is direct > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup > hub is driven through an idler. > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a > gear idler. > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan > belt. What you describe sounds > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the > cause > could be mechanical (a bad or > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault > in the the drive electronics or simply > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back > plate (two tiny screws on top of > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, > put the deck to PLAY mode (no > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the > tip of a finger. If you observe > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all > mating surfaces very thoroughly. If > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: drucyphr > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck > after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently > used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when > he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling > tape. > I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. > All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the > reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear > the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. > > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty > straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are > there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? > > > Thanks for the help. > -Andrew > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/17a6bb23/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:25:52 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1357010752.92678.YahooMailNeo at web163904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Also you probably want to look at the wiki page for the remote control > reference doc. > http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/RemoteControlReference.pdf > > > > > ________________________________ > From: andreikho > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and > ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. 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URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Wed Jan 2 21:35:19 2013 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 21:35:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <201301011109.r01B88jS009829@zxe.naks.com><201301011712.r01HBdA8010550@zxe.naks.com><1357137521.55299.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If it is a 2 head deck, yes. But frequently degaussing is never wrong. Regards Pelle. From: Dennis Ball Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:54 PM To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance It used to be said that if you made regular recording with your deck it would help to keep the heads from becoming magnetized..... Is there any truth to this or just a myth??? Dennis On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again :-). -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSB To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here is a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads. I would not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like high frequency loss. Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all those old tapes ;-). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk Ciao Rob -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) 2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) 3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) 4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (Rainer & Joy-Ell) 5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 338750 ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series. That cable is not for CD Players or the ST-7 tuner. The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the tuner uses a DIN-7. I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than the cost of the genuine SRC-1. Scott --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: From: andrei kho Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 From: drucyphr Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > your > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > -- Ron > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > -Andrew > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take > up capstan is direct > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is > driven through an idler. > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear > idler. > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. > What you describe sounds > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could > be mechanical (a bad or > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the > the drive electronics or simply > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate > (two tiny screws on top of > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the > deck to PLAY mode (no > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a > finger. If you observe > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating > surfaces very thoroughly. If > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground problem. Cheers and Happy New Year, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair. Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. -Andrew On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler. I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, as these idlers tend to live forever. So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. Let us know hoe you're doing, -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Hello Naks, new member here. A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Jan 2 20:26:31 2013 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:26:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <201301011109.r01B88jS009829@zxe.naks.com> <201301011712.r01HBdA8010550@zxe.naks.com> <1357137521.55299.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi All, and Happy New Year At the risk of appearing to be an idiot (which I can be, but not usually in this sort of area), what are the reasons for heads becoming magnetised beyond presumably just a non-zero mean average flux and why should they hang onto it. I am even more at a loss to know why with all the good materials this should show any treble loss (though presumably Dolby pushes this). Are there any good articles that give a proper explanation of what is going on and why something as primitive as a basic demagnetiser, hovered over the heads, should really make such a huge difference in performance. It's not really mu area of hi fi, but I would be fascinated to fill in some gaps that seem to have lingered for a good 25 years without much in the way of tangible physics as justification. (Except than I'm wholly convinced that no one ever has or will again make decks like naks.) Christian On 2 January 2013 18:54, Dennis Ball wrote: > It used to be said that if you made regular recording with your deck it > would help to keep the heads from becoming magnetized..... Is there any > truth to this or just a myth??? > > Dennis > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 >> hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies >> have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again :-). >> >> -- Ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* RSB >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance >> >> For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here >> is >> a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads. I would >> not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like >> high >> frequency loss. Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all >> those old tapes ;-). >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk >> >> Ciao >> >> Rob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of naktalk-request at naks.com >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 >> >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) >> 2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) >> 3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) >> 4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> (Rainer & Joy-Ell) >> 5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) >> From: fripp_em >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 >> 338750 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: andrei kho >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >> >> >> >> Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >> one it's fine. >> >> This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and >> ST-7 >> tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on >> both >> ends. >> Andrei >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at >> tachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) >> From: Scott Johnson >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or >> receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series. That cable is not for CD Players or >> the ST-7 tuner. The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and >> the >> tuner uses a DIN-7. >> >> I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less >> than >> the cost of the genuine SRC-1. >> >> Scott >> >> --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: >> >> >> From: andrei kho >> Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >> one it's fine. >> >> This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and >> ST-7 >> tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on >> both >> ends. >> Andrei >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at >> tachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 >> From: drucyphr >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple >> of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the >> idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >> flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >> replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >> and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now >> works. >> >> Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows >> a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider >> causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and >> spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. >> >> If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions >> please respond. >> >> Thanks and happy New Years! >> >> -Andrew >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >> > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >> > >> > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for >> decks >> > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >> > your >> > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >> > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement >> every >> > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > *From:* drucyphr >> > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >> > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> > >> > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I >> > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the >> problem I >> > will have the part handy to make the repair. >> > >> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or >> > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I >> am >> > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >> > >> > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >> > >> > -Andrew >> > >> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >> > >> > >> > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The >> take >> > up capstan is direct >> > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub >> is >> > driven through an idler. >> > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear >> > idler. >> > >> > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. >> > What you describe sounds >> > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause >> could >> > be mechanical (a bad or >> > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in >> the >> > the drive electronics or simply >> > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >> > unlikely the problem is mechanical, >> > as these idlers tend to live forever. >> > >> > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back >> plate >> > (two tiny screws on top of >> > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put >> the >> > deck to PLAY mode (no >> > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip >> of a >> > finger. If you observe >> > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating >> > surfaces very thoroughly. If >> > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >> > >> > Let us know hoe you're doing, >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > *From:* drucyphr >> > *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >> > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> > >> > Hello Naks, new member here. >> > >> > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after >> doing >> > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used >> > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he >> > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling >> tape. >> I >> > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a >> decent >> > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >> > >> > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the >> > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel >> > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear >> the >> > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >> > >> > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. >> > >> > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty >> straight >> > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there >> > any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >> > >> > Thanks for the help. >> > -Andrew >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at >> tachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 >> From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as >> what >> the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? >> Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground >> problem. >> >> Cheers and Happy New Year, >> Rainer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: drucyphr >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> >> I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a >> couple >> of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the >> idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >> flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >> replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >> and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now >> works. >> >> >> Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output >> shows >> a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider >> causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and >> spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. >> >> >> If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible >> problems/solutions >> please respond. >> >> >> Thanks and happy New Years! >> >> >> -Andrew >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber >> tire >> or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >> >> >> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for >> decks >> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling >> whether >> your >> >> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was >> poor >> >> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement >> every >> >> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >> >> >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> From: drucyphr >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> >> >> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler >> today. >> I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the >> problem I >> will have the part handy to make the repair. >> >> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber >> tire >> or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I >> am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >> >> >> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >> >> -Andrew >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> >> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. >> The take up capstan is direct >> driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the >> takeup >> hub is driven through an idler. >> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a >> gear idler. >> >> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan >> belt. What you describe sounds >> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the >> cause >> could be mechanical (a bad or >> glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, >> fault >> in the the drive electronics or simply >> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >> unlikely the problem is mechanical, >> as these idlers tend to live forever. >> >> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette >> back >> plate (two tiny screws on top of >> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, >> put the deck to PLAY mode (no >> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the >> tip of a finger. If you observe >> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all >> mating surfaces very thoroughly. If >> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >> >> Let us know hoe you're doing, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> From: drucyphr >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> >> >> Hello Naks, new member here. >> >> >> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck >> after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently >> used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when >> he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling >> tape. >> I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a >> decent >> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >> >> >> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. >> All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the >> reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear >> the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get >> pulled. >> >> >> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. >> >> >> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty >> straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? >> Are >> there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >> >> >> Thanks for the help. >> -Andrew >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >> http://www.pctools.com >> ======= >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/17a6bb23/at >> tachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:25:52 -0800 (PST) >> From: fripp_em >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> <1357010752.92678.YahooMailNeo at web163904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Also you probably want to look at the wiki page for the remote control >> reference doc. >> http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/RemoteControlReference.pdf >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: andreikho >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >> >> >> >> Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >> one it's fine. >> >> This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and >> ST-7 >> tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on >> both >> ends. >> Andrei >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/27402766/at >> tachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 >> *************************************** >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Thu Jan 3 02:36:11 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:36:11 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 project Message-ID: Happy New Year to everyone! For those who may be interested. The ZX-7 deck restoration progress in pictures at http://www.gennlab.com/zx7.html and http://www.gennlab.com/zx7_1.html Cheers, Gennady G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 03:04:58 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 03:04:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <201301011109.r01B88jS009829@zxe.naks.com> <201301011712.r01HBdA8010550@zxe.naks.com> <1357137521.55299.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A3E3EAE-EA37-4FC1-884F-40326EC40F3D@gmail.com> Hi in 2013, 33 years after the last 1000II, witch is one of the finest . I did never use a demagnetizer since 1980, but when you follow the SERVICE MANUAL when setting play back azimuth you should demagnetize the heads and even the Capstan shafts. May be to pre-fend error on playback azimuth with the 15kHz tape. May be to save the Test cassette for being erased very little by magnetic fields on any metal who gets in touch to the tape. If the are there! I think the are on a heads if we demagnetize in a wrong way. That would be when the magnetic field stops fast. This must be the same like a abrupt stopping tape, or just a recording on a tape. If a magnetic field stops abrupt it can be " remembered " by Ion. You can check that with a magnet and your screwdriver. and vice versa. Gerhard Am 02.01.2013 um 20:26 schrieb Christian Thomas: > Hi All, and Happy New Year > > At the risk of appearing to be an idiot (which I can be, but not > usually in this sort of area), what are the reasons for heads > becoming magnetised beyond presumably just a non-zero mean average > flux and why should they hang onto it. I am even more at a loss to > know why with all the good materials this should show any treble > loss (though presumably Dolby pushes this). Are there any good > articles that give a proper explanation of what is going on and why > something as primitive as a basic demagnetiser, hovered over the > heads, should really make such a huge difference in performance. > > It's not really mu area of hi fi, but I would be fascinated to fill > in some gaps that seem to have lingered for a good 25 years without > much in the way of tangible physics as justification. (Except than > I'm wholly convinced that no one ever has or will again make decks > like naks.) > > Christian > > On 2 January 2013 18:54, Dennis Ball wrote: > It used to be said that if you made regular recording with your > deck it would help to keep the heads from becoming magnetized..... > Is there any truth to this or just a myth??? > > Dennis > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: > > I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 > hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies > have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from > again :-). > > -- Ron > > From: RSB > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance > > For those that are interested (I posted a question on this > earlier), here is > a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads. I > would > not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, > like high > frequency loss. Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing > all > those old tapes ;-). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk > > Ciao > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) > 2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) > 3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) > 4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > (Rainer & Joy-Ell) > 5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK- > CABLE-/300335 > 338750 > > > > ________________________________ > From: andrei kho > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you > have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players > and ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male > sockets on both > ends. > Andrei > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ > 20121230/949a25c0/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or > receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series. That cable is not for CD > Players or > the ST-7 tuner. The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect > and the > tuner uses a DIN-7. > > I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for > less than > the cost of the genuine SRC-1. > > Scott > > --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: > > > From: andrei kho > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM > > > > > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you > have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players > and ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male > sockets on both > ends. > Andrei > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ > 20121231/7662a594/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 > From: drucyphr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > +i=Fz_1bZs8nEHtQd_OLB_w at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a > couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that > holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. > All said > and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport > now works. > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master > output shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output > slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front > panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/ > solutions > please respond. > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > -Andrew > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a > rubber tire > > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial > number? > > > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part > for decks > > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling > whether > > your > > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was > poor > > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire > replacement every > > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* drucyphr > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair > questions > > > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler > today. I > > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the > problem I > > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber > tire or > > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial > number? I am > > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > > > -Andrew > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. > The take > > up capstan is direct > > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the > takeup hub is > > driven through an idler. > > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to > a gear > > idler. > > > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan > belt. > > What you describe sounds > > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the > cause could > > be mechanical (a bad or > > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, > fault in the > > the drive electronics or simply > > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette > back plate > > (two tiny screws on top of > > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber > idler, put the > > deck to PLAY mode (no > > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the > tip of a > > finger. If you observe > > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all > mating > > surfaces very thoroughly. If > > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* drucyphr > > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck > after doing > > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used > > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order > when he > > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was > pulling tape. > I > > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for > a decent > > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a > Nakamichi. > > > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. > All the > > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the > reel > > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can > hear the > > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get > pulled. > > > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. > > > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty > straight > > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? > Are there > > any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > -Andrew > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ > 20121231/9f345f2d/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 > From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further > clue as what > the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? > Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think > ground > problem. > > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Rainer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: drucyphr > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered > a couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that > holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. > All said > and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport > now works. > > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master > output shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output > slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front > panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/ > solutions > please respond. > > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > > -Andrew > > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a > rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial > number? > > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part > for > decks > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling > whether > your > > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design > was poor > > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire > replacement > every > > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the > problem. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > From: drucyphr > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair > questions > > > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and > idler today. > I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the > problem I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a > rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial > number? I > am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > -Andrew > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive > transport. > The take up capstan is direct > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, > the takeup > hub is driven through an idler. > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later > upgraded to a > gear idler. > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply > capstan > belt. What you describe sounds > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, > the cause > could be mechanical (a bad or > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel > motor, fault > in the the drive electronics or simply > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear > idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the > cassette back > plate (two tiny screws on top of > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber > idler, > put the deck to PLAY mode (no > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement > with the > tip of a finger. If you observe > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, > clean all > mating surfaces very thoroughly. If > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: drucyphr > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair > questions > > > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi > deck > after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a > gently > used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working > order when > he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was > pulling tape. > I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for > a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a > Nakamichi. > > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it > turns on. > All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press > play the > reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you > can hear > the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get > pulled. > > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. > > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process > pretty > straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the > repair? 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URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Jan 3 04:56:47 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 01:56:47 -0200 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: <5A3E3EAE-EA37-4FC1-884F-40326EC40F3D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B371@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi everyone: happy new year to us all!! Back to the magnetisation of recording heads, I'd like to throw in my two cents of knowledge if I may. The erasing head is supposed to generate a strong magnetic field in order to (dis)organize the metallic particles on the tape. This action generates what we normally call "white noise", or simply a shhhh type of sound. Recording is a process in which the recording head is supposed to orient the metallic particles in such an organized way that these extremely weak magnetic fields when played through the playback head will generate frequency oscillations/variations that will then be converted into organized sound which we will hear... The fact that the metallic parts of tape recording and playback heads supposedly accumulate a certain degree of magnetization. A good way to prove my point is to rub a permanent magnet on your screwdriver in a single direction. You will have created a magnetic screwdriver. But, you may ask, what resemblance does this have with a tape recorder's head? Try yet another experiment. Grab some thin coated copper wire and wind it seveal times around the same screwdriver or, if you prefer to be more "scientific, a non previously magnetized nail and run some DC battery powered electrical current through the copper wire. While the circuit is closed, i.e., there's electricity flowing, your nail will become an electomagnet. It becomes a magnet while the battery is connected. As soon as you disconnect the power from the battery it will cease to attract metallic parts. However, since you did run electricity (please do NOT try this with AC!!!), the magnetic particles in the nail were polarized (i.e., became magnetically organized in a North/South direction) and therefore attracting other ferrous materials. When the power is turned off, the metallic particles should go back to their "disorganized" order, which is only partly correct. By applying even the weakest DC current to the copper wire coil, you in fact have somewhat permanently reorganized some of the magnetic particles (inside the nail). It is this phenomenon that we undo by running a demagnetizer over tape recording heads. The demag will generate a "fuzzy" frequency that will "disorganize" the magnetized particles on our playback and recording heads, especially important for two-head decks. I've just flown in back home and its past 2AM so I apologize for typos and eventual poor examples. To the Physics students and professors I beg for your forgiveness if I made any "faux pas". Good morning to all. I hope to have helped you better understand the physics involved! Rodrigo Krause ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Thu Jan 03 00:04:58 2013 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance Hi in 2013, 33 years after the last 1000II, witch is one of the finest . I did never use a demagnetizer since 1980, but when you follow the SERVICE MANUAL when setting play back azimuth you should demagnetize the heads and even the Capstan shafts. May be to pre-fend error on playback azimuth with the 15kHz tape. May be to save the Test cassette for being erased very little by magnetic fields on any metal who gets in touch to the tape. If the are there! I think the are on a heads if we demagnetize in a wrong way. That would be when the magnetic field stops fast. This must be the same like a abrupt stopping tape, or just a recording on a tape. If a magnetic field stops abrupt it can be " remembered " by Ion. You can check that with a magnet and your screwdriver. and vice versa. Gerhard Am 02.01.2013 um 20:26 schrieb Christian Thomas: Hi All, and Happy New Year At the risk of appearing to be an idiot (which I can be, but not usually in this sort of area), what are the reasons for heads becoming magnetised beyond presumably just a non-zero mean average flux and why should they hang onto it. I am even more at a loss to know why with all the good materials this should show any treble loss (though presumably Dolby pushes this). Are there any good articles that give a proper explanation of what is going on and why something as primitive as a basic demagnetiser, hovered over the heads, should really make such a huge difference in performance. It's not really mu area of hi fi, but I would be fascinated to fill in some gaps that seem to have lingered for a good 25 years without much in the way of tangible physics as justification. (Except than I'm wholly convinced that no one ever has or will again make decks like naks.) Christian On 2 January 2013 18:54, Dennis Ball wrote: It used to be said that if you made regular recording with your deck it would help to keep the heads from becoming magnetized..... Is there any truth to this or just a myth??? Dennis On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again :-). -- Ron ________________________________ From: RSB To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here is a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads. I would not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like high frequency loss. Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all those old tapes ;-). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk Ciao Rob -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) 2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) 3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) 4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (Rainer & Joy-Ell) 5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 338750 ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series. That cable is not for CD Players or the ST-7 tuner. The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the tuner uses a DIN-7. I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than the cost of the genuine SRC-1. Scott --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: From: andrei kho Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 From: drucyphr Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > your > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > -- Ron > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > -Andrew > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take > up capstan is direct > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is > driven through an idler. > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear > idler. > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. > What you describe sounds > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could > be mechanical (a bad or > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the > the drive electronics or simply > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate > (two tiny screws on top of > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the > deck to PLAY mode (no > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a > finger. If you observe > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating > surfaces very thoroughly. If > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground problem. Cheers and Happy New Year, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair. Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. -Andrew On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler. I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, as these idlers tend to live forever. So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. Let us know hoe you're doing, -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Hello Naks, new member here. A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? 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Adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 15:54:02 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 06:54:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <201301011109.r01B88jS009829@zxe.naks.com> <201301011712.r01HBdA8010550@zxe.naks.com> <1357137521.55299.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357224842.66997.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The idea is that the bias voltage applied to the REC head during recording tends to demagnetize it. This makes sense for 2 head decks, where the same head is used for REC and PB, though I don't know for sure whether it's true even for those. I seriously doubt it applies to 3 head decks. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Dennis Ball >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:54 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance > > >It used to be said that if you made regular recording with your deck it would help to keep the heads from becoming magnetized.....  Is there any truth to this or just a myth??? > > >Dennis > > >On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: > > >> >>I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 >> >>hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies >> >>have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again  :-). >> >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: RSB >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance >>> >>>For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here is >>>a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads.  I would >>>not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like high >>>frequency loss.  Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all >>>those old tapes ;-). >>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk >>> >>>Ciao >>> >>>Rob >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>Of naktalk-request at naks.com >>>Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 >>> >>>Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >>>    naktalk at naks.com >>> >>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>    http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>    naktalk-request at naks.com >>> >>>You can reach the person managing the list at >>>    naktalk-owner at naks.com >>> >>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >>> >>> >>>Naktalk digest mailing list >>> >>> >>>Today's Topics: >>> >>>  1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) >>>  2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) >>>  3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) >>>  4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>      (Rainer & Joy-Ell) >>>  5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Message: 1 >>>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) >>>From: fripp_em >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Message-ID: >>>    <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 >>>338750 >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>>From: andrei kho >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>> >>> >>> >>>Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >>>one it's fine. >>> >>>This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >>>tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both >>>ends. >>>Andrei >>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>URL: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at >>>tachment-0001.html >>> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>Message: 2 >>>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) >>>From: Scott Johnson >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Message-ID: >>>    <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>>The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or >>>receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series.  That cable is not for CD Players or >>>the ST-7 tuner.  The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the >>>tuner uses a DIN-7. >>> >>>I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than >>>the cost of the genuine SRC-1. >>> >>>Scott >>> >>>--- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: >>> >>> >>>From: andrei kho >>>Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >>>one it's fine. >>> >>>This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >>>tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both >>>ends. >>>Andrei >>> >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>URL: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at >>>tachment-0001.html >>> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>Message: 3 >>>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 >>>From: drucyphr >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Message-ID: >>>    >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>>I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple >>>of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the >>>idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >>>flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >>>replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >>>and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. >>> >>>Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows >>>a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider >>>causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and >>>spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. >>> >>>If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions >>>please respond. >>> >>>Thanks and happy New Years! >>> >>>-Andrew >>> >>> >>>On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >>> >>>> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >>>> or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >>>> >>>> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks >>>> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >>>> your >>>> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >>>> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every >>>> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* drucyphr >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>> >>>> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I >>>> went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I >>>> will have the part handy to make the repair. >>>> >>>> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or >>>> gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am >>>> kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >>>> >>>> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >>>> >>>> -Andrew >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take >>>> up capstan is direct >>>> driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is >>>> driven through an idler. >>>> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear >>>> idler. >>>> >>>> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. >>>> What you describe sounds >>>> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could >>>> be mechanical (a bad or >>>> glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the >>>> the drive electronics or simply >>>> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >>>> unlikely the problem is mechanical, >>>> as these idlers tend to live forever. >>>> >>>> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate >>>> (two tiny screws on top of >>>> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the >>>> deck to PLAY mode (no >>>> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a >>>> finger. If you observe >>>> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating >>>> surfaces very thoroughly. If >>>> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >>>> >>>> Let us know hoe you're doing, >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* drucyphr >>>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>> >>>> Hello Naks, new member here. >>>> >>>> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing >>>> a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used >>>> one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he >>>> listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. >>>I >>>> talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent >>>> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >>>> >>>> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the >>>> lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel >>>> spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the >>>> motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >>>> >>>> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. >>>> >>>> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight >>>> forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there >>>> any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >>>> >>>> Thanks for the help. >>>> -Andrew >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>URL: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at >>>tachment-0001.html >>> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>Message: 4 >>>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 >>>From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>>Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what >>>the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? >>>Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground >>>problem. >>> >>>Cheers and Happy New Year, >>>Rainer >>>  ----- Original Message ----- >>>  From: drucyphr >>>  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM >>>  Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>> >>> >>>  I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple >>>of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the >>>idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >>>flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >>>replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >>>and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. >>> >>> >>>  Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows >>>a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider >>>causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and >>>spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. >>> >>> >>>  If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions >>>please respond. >>> >>> >>>  Thanks and happy New Years! >>> >>> >>>  -Andrew >>> >>> >>> >>>  On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >>> >>>    > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >>>or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >>> >>> >>>    Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for >>>decks >>>    that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >>>your >>> >>>    deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >>> >>>    (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement >>>every >>> >>>    couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >>> >>> >>> >>>    -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>      From: drucyphr >>>      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>      Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >>>      Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>> >>> >>> >>>      Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. >>>I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I >>>will have the part handy to make the repair. >>> >>>      Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >>>or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I >>>am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >>> >>> >>>      I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >>> >>>      -Andrew >>> >>> >>>      On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >>> >>> >>>        The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. >>>The take up capstan is direct >>>        driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup >>>hub is driven through an idler. >>>        Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a >>>gear idler. >>> >>>        I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan >>>belt. What you describe sounds >>>        like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause >>>could be mechanical (a bad or >>>        glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault >>>in the the drive electronics or simply >>>        incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >>>unlikely the problem is mechanical, >>>        as these idlers tend to live forever. >>> >>>        So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back >>>plate (two tiny screws on top of >>>        the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, >>>put the deck to PLAY mode (no >>>        cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the >>>tip of a finger. If you observe >>>        slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all >>>mating surfaces very thoroughly. If >>>        that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >>> >>>        Let us know hoe you're doing, >>> >>>        -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>          From: drucyphr >>>          To: naktalk at naks.com >>>          Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >>>          Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>> >>> >>> >>>          Hello Naks, new member here. >>> >>> >>>          A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck >>>after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently >>>used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when >>>he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. >>>I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent >>>price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >>> >>> >>>          The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. >>>All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the >>>reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear >>>the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >>> >>> >>>          I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. >>> >>> >>>          Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty >>>straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are >>>there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >>> >>> >>>          Thanks for the help. >>>          -Andrew >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                    Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                                  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>          Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                                Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>        Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                              Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>      Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>              Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                            Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>    Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>  ======= >>>  Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>  (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>  http://www.pctools.com >>>  ======= >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>-- >>> >>> >>>  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>            Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                          Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>>  ======= >>>  Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>  (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>  http://www.pctools.com/ >>>  ======= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>======= >>>Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>(Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>http://www.pctools.com/ >>>======= >>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>URL: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/17a6bb23/at >>>tachment-0001.html >>> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>Message: 5 >>>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:25:52 -0800 (PST) >>>From: fripp_em >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Message-ID: >>>    <1357010752.92678.YahooMailNeo at web163904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>>Also you probably want to look at the wiki page for the remote control >>>reference doc. >>>http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/RemoteControlReference.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>>From: andreikho >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>> >>> >>> >>>Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >>>one it's fine. >>> >>>This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >>>tuner with control preamp or receiver. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 16:35:14 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:35:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <201301011109.r01B88jS009829@zxe.naks.com> <201301011712.r01HBdA8010550@zxe.naks.com> <1357137521.55299.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357227314.21878.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > ...what are the reasons for heads becoming magnetised... Any AC field applied not at a zero crossing will tend to magnetize the head. Add to that the earth magnetic field we are all 'swimming' in. These are weak effects, but are said to buildup over time. > ...why should they hang onto it... Good question, as recording heads are made of low coercivity materials (permalloy, sendust). Nonetheless, high end deck manufacturers (including Nakamichi) do recommend periodic demagnetization. > ...huge difference in performance... No one claims difference in performance of the deck itself. However, magnetized heads can erase high frequencies from the tape, that, in subsequent PBs, will result in lower quality sound on any deck. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Christian Thomas >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:26 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance > > >Hi All, and Happy New Year > > >At the risk of appearing to be an idiot (which I can be, but not usually in this sort of area), what are the reasons for heads becoming magnetised beyond presumably just a non-zero mean average flux and why should they hang onto it.  I am even more at a loss to know why with all the good materials this should show any treble loss (though presumably Dolby pushes this).  Are there any good articles that give a proper explanation of what is going on and why something as primitive as a basic demagnetiser, hovered over the heads, should really make such a huge difference in performance. > > >It's not really mu area of hi fi, but I would be fascinated to fill in some gaps that seem to have lingered for a good 25 years without much in the way of tangible physics as justification.  (Except than I'm wholly convinced that no one ever has or will again make decks like naks.) > > >Christian > > > >On 2 January 2013 18:54, Dennis Ball wrote: > >It used to be said that if you made regular recording with your deck it would help to keep the heads from becoming magnetized.....  Is there any truth to this or just a myth??? >> >>Dennis >> >> >> >>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> >>> >>>I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 >>> >>>hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies >>> >>>have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again  :-). >>> >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: RSB >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance >>>> >>>>For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here is >>>>a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads.  I would >>>>not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like high >>>>frequency loss.  Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all >>>>those old tapes ;-). >>>> >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk >>>> >>>>Ciao >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>>Of naktalk-request at naks.com >>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 >>>> >>>>Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >>>>    naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>    http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>    naktalk-request at naks.com >>>> >>>>You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>    naktalk-owner at naks.com >>>> >>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>>Naktalk digest mailing list >>>> >>>> >>>>Today's Topics: >>>> >>>>  1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) >>>>  2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) >>>>  3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) >>>>  4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>>      (Rainer & Joy-Ell) >>>>  5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>Message: 1 >>>>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) >>>>From: fripp_em >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Message-ID: >>>>    <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 >>>>338750 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>>From: andrei kho >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM >>>>Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >>>>one it's fine. >>>> >>>>This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >>>>tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both >>>>ends. >>>>Andrei >>>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>URL: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at >>>>tachment-0001.html >>>> >>>>------------------------------ >>>> >>>>Message: 2 >>>>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) >>>>From: Scott Johnson >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Message-ID: >>>>    <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>>The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or >>>>receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series.  That cable is not for CD Players or >>>>the ST-7 tuner.  The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the >>>>tuner uses a DIN-7. >>>> >>>>I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than >>>>the cost of the genuine SRC-1. >>>> >>>>Scott >>>> >>>>--- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>From: andrei kho >>>>Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >>>>one it's fine. >>>> >>>>This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >>>>tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both >>>>ends. >>>>Andrei >>>> >>>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>URL: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at >>>>tachment-0001.html >>>> >>>>------------------------------ >>>> >>>>Message: 3 >>>>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 >>>>From: drucyphr >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Message-ID: >>>>    >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>>I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple >>>>of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the >>>>idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >>>>flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >>>>replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >>>>and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. >>>> >>>>Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows >>>>a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider >>>>causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and >>>>spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. >>>> >>>>If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions >>>>please respond. >>>> >>>>Thanks and happy New Years! >>>> >>>>-Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>>On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >>>> >>>>> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >>>>> or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >>>>> >>>>> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks >>>>> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >>>>> your >>>>> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >>>>> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every >>>>> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>  ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* drucyphr >>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I >>>>> went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I >>>>> will have the part handy to make the repair. >>>>> >>>>> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or >>>>> gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am >>>>> kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >>>>> >>>>> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >>>>> >>>>> -Andrew >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take >>>>> up capstan is direct >>>>> driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is >>>>> driven through an idler. >>>>> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear >>>>> idler. >>>>> >>>>> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. >>>>> What you describe sounds >>>>> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could >>>>> be mechanical (a bad or >>>>> glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the >>>>> the drive electronics or simply >>>>> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >>>>> unlikely the problem is mechanical, >>>>> as these idlers tend to live forever. >>>>> >>>>> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate >>>>> (two tiny screws on top of >>>>> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the >>>>> deck to PLAY mode (no >>>>> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a >>>>> finger. If you observe >>>>> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating >>>>> surfaces very thoroughly. If >>>>> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >>>>> >>>>> Let us know hoe you're doing, >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>  ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* drucyphr >>>>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>>> >>>>> Hello Naks, new member here. >>>>> >>>>> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing >>>>> a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used >>>>> one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he >>>>> listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. >>>>I >>>>> talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent >>>>> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >>>>> >>>>> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the >>>>> lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel >>>>> spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the >>>>> motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >>>>> >>>>> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. >>>>> >>>>> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight >>>>> forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there >>>>> any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>> -Andrew >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>URL: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at >>>>tachment-0001.html >>>> >>>>------------------------------ >>>> >>>>Message: 4 >>>>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 >>>>From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>>Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what >>>>the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? >>>>Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground >>>>problem. >>>> >>>>Cheers and Happy New Year, >>>>Rainer >>>>  ----- Original Message ----- >>>>  From: drucyphr >>>>  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>  Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>> >>>> >>>>  I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple >>>>of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the >>>>idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >>>>flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >>>>replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >>>>and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. >>>> >>>> >>>>  Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows >>>>a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider >>>>causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and >>>>spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. >>>> >>>> >>>>  If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions >>>>please respond. >>>> >>>> >>>>  Thanks and happy New Years! >>>> >>>> >>>>  -Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >>>> >>>>    > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >>>>or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >>>> >>>> >>>>    Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for >>>>decks >>>>    that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >>>>your >>>> >>>>    deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >>>> >>>>    (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement >>>>every >>>> >>>>    couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>    -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>      From: drucyphr >>>>      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>      Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >>>>      Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>      Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. >>>>I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I >>>>will have the part handy to make the repair. >>>> >>>>      Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire >>>>or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I >>>>am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >>>> >>>> >>>>      I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >>>> >>>>      -Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>>      On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>        The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. >>>>The take up capstan is direct >>>>        driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup >>>>hub is driven through an idler. >>>>        Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a >>>>gear idler. >>>> >>>>        I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan >>>>belt. What you describe sounds >>>>        like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause >>>>could be mechanical (a bad or >>>>        glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault >>>>in the the drive electronics or simply >>>>        incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >>>>unlikely the problem is mechanical, >>>>        as these idlers tend to live forever. >>>> >>>>        So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back >>>>plate (two tiny screws on top of >>>>        the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, >>>>put the deck to PLAY mode (no >>>>        cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the >>>>tip of a finger. If you observe >>>>        slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all >>>>mating surfaces very thoroughly. If >>>>        that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >>>> >>>>        Let us know hoe you're doing, >>>> >>>>        -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>          From: drucyphr >>>>          To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>          Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >>>>          Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>          Hello Naks, new member here. >>>> >>>> >>>>          A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck >>>>after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently >>>>used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when >>>>he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. >>>>I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent >>>>price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >>>> >>>> >>>>          The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. >>>>All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the >>>>reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear >>>>the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >>>> >>>> >>>>          I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. >>>> >>>> >>>>          Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty >>>>straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are >>>>there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >>>> >>>> >>>>          Thanks for the help. >>>>          -Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                    Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                                  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>          Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                                Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>        Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                              Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>      Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>              Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                            Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>    Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  ======= >>>>  Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>>  (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>>  http://www.pctools.com >>>>  ======= >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>-- >>>> >>>> >>>>  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>            Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                          Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  ======= >>>>  Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>>  (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>>  http://www.pctools.com/ >>>>  ======= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>======= >>>>Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>>(Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>>http://www.pctools.com/ >>>>======= >>>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>URL: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/17a6bb23/at >>>>tachment-0001.html >>>> >>>>------------------------------ >>>> >>>>Message: 5 >>>>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:25:52 -0800 (PST) >>>>From: fripp_em >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Message-ID: >>>>    <1357010752.92678.YahooMailNeo at web163904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> >>>>Also you probably want to look at the wiki page for the remote control >>>>reference doc. >>>>http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/RemoteControlReference.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>>From: andreikho >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM >>>>Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only >>>>one it's fine. >>>> >>>>This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 >>>>tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both >>>>ends. >>>>Andrei >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>-------------- next part -------------- >>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>URL: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/27402766/at >>>>tachment-0001.html >>>> >>>>------------------------------ >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 >>>>*************************************** >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Jan 3 17:54:56 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:54:56 -0200 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance In-Reply-To: <1357224842.66997.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B376@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> You've said it yourself: its a myth...! ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Dennis Ball ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Thu Jan 03 12:54:02 2013 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance The idea is that the bias voltage applied to the REC head during recording tends to demagnetize it. This makes sense for 2 head decks, where the same head is used for REC and PB, though I don't know for sure whether it's true even for those. I seriously doubt it applies to 3 head decks. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Dennis Ball To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance It used to be said that if you made regular recording with your deck it would help to keep the heads from becoming magnetized..... Is there any truth to this or just a myth??? Dennis On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again :-). -- Ron ________________________________ From: RSB To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here is a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads. I would not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like high frequency loss. Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all those old tapes ;-). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk Ciao Rob -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) 2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) 3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) 4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (Rainer & Joy-Ell) 5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 338750 ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series. That cable is not for CD Players or the ST-7 tuner. The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the tuner uses a DIN-7. I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than the cost of the genuine SRC-1. Scott --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: From: andrei kho Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. Andrei -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 From: drucyphr Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > your > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > -- Ron > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > -Andrew > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take > up capstan is direct > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is > driven through an idler. > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear > idler. > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. > What you describe sounds > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could > be mechanical (a bad or > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the > the drive electronics or simply > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate > (two tiny screws on top of > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the > deck to PLAY mode (no > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a > finger. If you observe > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating > surfaces very thoroughly. If > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there > any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? > > Thanks for the help. > -Andrew > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground problem. Cheers and Happy New Year, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. Thanks and happy New Years! -Andrew On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair. Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. -Andrew On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler. I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, as these idlers tend to live forever. So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. Let us know hoe you're doing, -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drucyphr To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions Hello Naks, new member here. A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? 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If so, will any wand type work or should I be looking for a specific type? On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Ron wrote: > > The idea is that the bias voltage applied to the REC head during recording > tends > to demagnetize it. This makes sense for 2 head decks, where the same head > is > used for REC and PB, though I don't know for sure whether it's true even > for > those. I seriously doubt it applies to 3 head decks. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dennis Ball > *To:* Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < > naktalk at naks.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance > > It used to be said that if you made regular recording with your deck it > would help to keep the heads from becoming magnetized..... Is there any > truth to this or just a myth??? > > Dennis > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ron wrote: > > > I would highly recommend regularly demagnetizing heads (every 15-25 > hours or so). By the time you hear treble loss, those high frequencies > have already been erased off the tape, never to be heard from again :-). > > -- Ron > > ------------------------------ > *From:* RSB > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:56 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Tape Head Maintenance > > For those that are interested (I posted a question on this earlier), here > is > a pretty good source for cleaning and demagnetizing tape heads. I would > not recommend the demag process unless you know there is an issue, like > high > frequency loss. Good info for keeping up our old Naks, esp playing all > those old tapes ;-). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LQr63X7lk > > Ciao > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) > 2. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (Scott Johnson) > 3. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions (drucyphr) > 4. Re: New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > (Rainer & Joy-Ell) > 5. Re: WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable (fripp_em) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo at web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335 > 338750 > > > > ________________________________ > From: andrei kho > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and > ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on > both > ends. > Andrei > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121230/949a25c0/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic at web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or > receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series. That cable is not for CD Players or > the ST-7 tuner. The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the > tuner uses a DIN-7. > > I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than > the cost of the genuine SRC-1. > > Scott > > --- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho wrote: > > > From: andrei kho > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM > > > > > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and > ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on > both > ends. > Andrei > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/7662a594/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600 > From: drucyphr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said > and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions > please respond. > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > -Andrew > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks > > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > > your > > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement > every > > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* drucyphr > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I > > went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem > I > > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or > > gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I > am > > kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > > > -Andrew > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The > take > > up capstan is direct > > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub > is > > driven through an idler. > > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear > > idler. > > > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. > > What you describe sounds > > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause > could > > be mechanical (a bad or > > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in > the > > the drive electronics or simply > > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate > > (two tiny screws on top of > > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put > the > > deck to PLAY mode (no > > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of > a > > finger. If you observe > > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating > > surfaces very thoroughly. If > > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* drucyphr > > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > > *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after > doing > > a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used > > one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he > > listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. > I > > talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the > > lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel > > spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the > > motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire. > > > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight > > forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there > > any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > -Andrew > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/9f345f2d/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:38 -0600 > From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac at owner66fc96eb0> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as > what > the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? > Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground > problem. > > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Rainer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: drucyphr > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a > couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said > and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. > > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output > shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible > problems/solutions > please respond. > > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > > -Andrew > > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? > > > Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for > decks > that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether > your > > deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor > > (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement > every > > couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: drucyphr > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler > today. > I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem > I > will have the part handy to make the repair. > > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire > or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I > am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. > > > I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. > > -Andrew > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: > > > The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. > The take up capstan is direct > driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup > hub is driven through an idler. > Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a > gear idler. > > I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan > belt. What you describe sounds > like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the > cause > could be mechanical (a bad or > glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault > in the the drive electronics or simply > incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's > unlikely the problem is mechanical, > as these idlers tend to live forever. > > So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back > plate (two tiny screws on top of > the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, > put the deck to PLAY mode (no > cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the > tip of a finger. If you observe > slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all > mating surfaces very thoroughly. If > that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. > > Let us know hoe you're doing, > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: drucyphr > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > > Hello Naks, new member here. > > > A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck > after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently > used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when > he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling > tape. > I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent > price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. > > > The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. > All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the > reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear > the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. > > > I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. > > > Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty > straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are > there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? > > > Thanks for the help. > -Andrew > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20121231/17a6bb23/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:25:52 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1357010752.92678.YahooMailNeo at web163904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Also you probably want to look at the wiki page for the remote control > reference doc. > http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/RemoteControlReference.pdf > > > > > ________________________________ > From: andreikho > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable > > > > Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only > one it's fine. > > This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and > ST-7 > tuner with control preamp or receiver. 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URL: From drucyphr at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 19:44:11 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:44:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: <5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: I checked the headphone output and the problem is the same. No sound and heavy cracking static when the volume output is adjusted. The output meter shows a stereo signal. I have not tried cleaning the contacts on the output level potentiometer. Is it necessary to remove the entire front chassis assembly and the volume pcb? Or can I spray through the front with just the faceplate removed? I am using Deoxit D5 and F5 with the spray nozzle. Also, I am unsure what the condition of this unit was before I purchased it. The original owner had not used it for many years, but it was working before it sat unused. He assumed it was fully functional before he tried to sell it. Which is why I am hoping cleaning the volume potentiometer will fix this issue. Thanks, Andrew On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Dave wrote: > Check your connections on the rear, input vs output > > From David > > > On Dec 31, 2012, at 18:12, "Rainer & Joy-Ell" > wrote: > > Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as > what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? > Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground > problem. > > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Rainer > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple > of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the > idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went > flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a > replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said > and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. > > Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows > a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider > causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and > spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. > > If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions > please respond. > > Thanks and happy New Years! > > -Andrew > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > >> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber >> tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial >> number? >> >> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks >> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >> your >> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement >> every >> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* drucyphr >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I >> went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I >> will have the part handy to make the repair. >> >> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or >> gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am >> kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >> >> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >> >> -Andrew >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> >> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The >> take up capstan is direct >> driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub >> is driven through an idler. >> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear >> idler. >> >> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. >> What you describe sounds >> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause >> could be mechanical (a bad or >> glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in >> the the drive electronics or simply >> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >> unlikely the problem is mechanical, >> as these idlers tend to live forever. >> >> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate >> (two tiny screws on top of >> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put >> the deck to PLAY mode (no >> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of >> a finger. If you observe >> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating >> surfaces very thoroughly. If >> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >> >> Let us know hoe you're doing, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* drucyphr >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> Hello Naks, new member here. >> >> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after >> doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used >> one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he >> listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I >> talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent >> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >> >> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the >> lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel >> spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the >> motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >> >> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. >> >> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight >> forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there >> any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >> >> Thanks for the help. >> -Andrew >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perry Esposito - From my phone From drucyphr at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 03:34:42 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:34:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: I just finished spraying the volume potentiometer and the problem is still there. I looked around for a loose ground wire and everything inside the unit looks to be in it's original position. About Dave's suggestion: I have the rca's connected to the Line Output in the rear. I don't know where do go from here, please help me. Thanks, Andrew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM, drucyphr wrote: > I checked the headphone output and the problem is the same. No sound and > heavy cracking static when the volume output is adjusted. The output meter > shows a stereo signal. > > I have not tried cleaning the contacts on the output level potentiometer. > Is it necessary to remove the entire front chassis assembly and the volume > pcb? Or can I spray through the front with just the faceplate removed? I am > using Deoxit D5 and F5 with the spray nozzle. > > Also, I am unsure what the condition of this unit was before I purchased > it. The original owner had not used it for many years, but it was working > before it sat unused. He assumed it was fully functional before he tried to > sell it. Which is why I am hoping cleaning the volume potentiometer will > fix this issue. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Dave wrote: > >> Check your connections on the rear, input vs output >> >> From David >> >> >> On Dec 31, 2012, at 18:12, "Rainer & Joy-Ell" >> wrote: >> >> Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as >> what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? >> Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground >> problem. >> >> Cheers and Happy New Year, >> Rainer >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* drucyphr >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a >> couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds >> the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went >> flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a >> replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said >> and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. >> >> Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output >> shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output >> slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front >> panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. >> >> If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible >> problems/solutions please respond. >> >> Thanks and happy New Years! >> >> -Andrew >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber >>> tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial >>> number? >>> >>> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks >>> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether >>> your >>> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >>> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement >>> every >>> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* drucyphr >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>> >>> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I >>> went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I >>> will have the part handy to make the repair. >>> >>> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or >>> gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am >>> kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >>> >>> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >>> >>> -Andrew >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >>> >>> >>> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The >>> take up capstan is direct >>> driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub >>> is driven through an idler. >>> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear >>> idler. >>> >>> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. >>> What you describe sounds >>> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause >>> could be mechanical (a bad or >>> glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in >>> the the drive electronics or simply >>> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's >>> unlikely the problem is mechanical, >>> as these idlers tend to live forever. >>> >>> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back >>> plate (two tiny screws on top of >>> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put >>> the deck to PLAY mode (no >>> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of >>> a finger. If you observe >>> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating >>> surfaces very thoroughly. If >>> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >>> >>> Let us know hoe you're doing, >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* drucyphr >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>> >>> Hello Naks, new member here. >>> >>> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after >>> doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used >>> one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he >>> listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I >>> talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent >>> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >>> >>> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the >>> lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel >>> spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the >>> motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >>> >>> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. >>> >>> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty >>> straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are >>> there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >>> >>> Thanks for the help. >>> -Andrew >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >> http://www.pctools.com >> ======= >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >> http://www.pctools.com >> ======= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Fri Jan 4 17:19:15 2013 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:19:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0><5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <001001cdea97$3ebd7f60$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Andrew, did you try using headphones with rcas disconnected ? Still sounds to me like you have an external connection or ground problem. There is an internal mute circuit but that would not explain the noisy pot as far as I know. You might try checking the archives, I think someone had a similar problem recently. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions I just finished spraying the volume potentiometer and the problem is still there. I looked around for a loose ground wire and everything inside the unit looks to be in it's original position. About Dave's suggestion: I have the rca's connected to the Line Output in the rear. I don't know where do go from here, please help me. Thanks, Andrew ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20940) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jan 4 18:50:04 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:50:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: <001001cdea97$3ebd7f60$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0><5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> <001001cdea97$3ebd7f60$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <1357321804.72678.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've seen such problems several times. This could still be a noisy pot (maybe the cleaner didn't get onto the track inside the pot), a hairline crack on the PCB (a bitch to locate), a failed muting transistor, or several other faults (including an intermittent ground). IME, this is the kind of problem that's easiest to diagnose by tracing the signal path. If you have a signal tracer, try to trace the signal path from the output jack backwards, until you pick up the audio, or the 'static disappears. Lacking a signal tracer, you can possibly use an amp, (connecting its input through a probe) -- kinda kludgy, but doable. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:19 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > >Andrew, did you try using headphones with rcas disconnected ? Still sounds to me like you have an external connection or ground problem. There is an internal mute circuit but that would not explain the noisy pot as far as I know. You might try checking the archives, I think someone had a similar problem recently. >  > Rainer >----- Original Message ----- >>From: drucyphr >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:34 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> >>I just finished spraying the volume potentiometer and the problem is still there. I looked around for a loose ground wire and everything inside the unit looks to be in it's original position. >> >> >>About Dave's suggestion: I have the rca's connected to the Line Output in the rear. >> >> >>I don't know where do go from here, please help me. >> >> >>Thanks, >>Andrew >> >> >>  > > > > >======= >Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >(Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20940) >http://www.pctools.com >======= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jan 4 18:50:04 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:50:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: <001001cdea97$3ebd7f60$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0><5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> <001001cdea97$3ebd7f60$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <1357321804.72678.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've seen such problems several times. This could still be a noisy pot (maybe the cleaner didn't get onto the track inside the pot), a hairline crack on the PCB (a bitch to locate), a failed muting transistor, or several other faults (including an intermittent ground). IME, this is the kind of problem that's easiest to diagnose by tracing the signal path. If you have a signal tracer, try to trace the signal path from the output jack backwards, until you pick up the audio, or the 'static disappears. Lacking a signal tracer, you can possibly use an amp, (connecting its input through a probe) -- kinda kludgy, but doable. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:19 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > > >Andrew, did you try using headphones with rcas disconnected ? Still sounds to me like you have an external connection or ground problem. There is an internal mute circuit but that would not explain the noisy pot as far as I know. You might try checking the archives, I think someone had a similar problem recently. >  > Rainer >----- Original Message ----- >>From: drucyphr >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:34 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >> >> >>I just finished spraying the volume potentiometer and the problem is still there. I looked around for a loose ground wire and everything inside the unit looks to be in it's original position. >> >> >>About Dave's suggestion: I have the rca's connected to the Line Output in the rear. >> >> >>I don't know where do go from here, please help me. >> >> >>Thanks, >>Andrew >> >> >>  > > > > >======= >Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >(Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20940) >http://www.pctools.com >======= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 4 19:18:21 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:18:21 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: More advanced tech types would probably start tracing the signal path to discover where the signal disappears. Is there a chance that you damaged any connections when you changed the idler? Some of those wires that attach to the heads, meters, etc, are very small gauge and it is pretty easy to break a connection. If you removed the transport I would go back and make sure none of the wires were broken at the solder points and also make sure that you reconnected ALL of the harness connectors. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of drucyphr Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions I just finished spraying the volume potentiometer and the problem is still there. I looked around for a loose ground wire and everything inside the unit looks to be in it's original position. About Dave's suggestion: I have the rca's connected to the Line Output in the rear. I don't know where do go from here, please help me. Thanks, Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Fri Jan 4 19:47:17 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 19:47:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Did you inspect the boards for bad solder joints? Best regards , Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 4 jan. 2013 om 03:34 heeft drucyphr het volgende geschreven: > I just finished spraying the volume potentiometer and the problem is still there. I looked around for a loose ground wire and everything inside the unit looks to be in it's original position. > > About Dave's suggestion: I have the rca's connected to the Line Output in the rear. > > I don't know where do go from here, please help me. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM, drucyphr wrote: >> I checked the headphone output and the problem is the same. No sound and heavy cracking static when the volume output is adjusted. The output meter shows a stereo signal. >> >> I have not tried cleaning the contacts on the output level potentiometer. Is it necessary to remove the entire front chassis assembly and the volume pcb? Or can I spray through the front with just the faceplate removed? I am using Deoxit D5 and F5 with the spray nozzle. >> >> Also, I am unsure what the condition of this unit was before I purchased it. The original owner had not used it for many years, but it was working before it sat unused. He assumed it was fully functional before he tried to sell it. Which is why I am hoping cleaning the volume potentiometer will fix this issue. >> >> Thanks, >> Andrew >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Dave wrote: >>> Check your connections on the rear, input vs output >>> >>> From David >>> >>> >>> On Dec 31, 2012, at 18:12, "Rainer & Joy-Ell" wrote: >>> >>>> Andrew, try head phones in headphone jack, might give a further clue as what the problem is. So problem occured right after replacing idler tire ? Whenever I hear heavey static when adjusting an output pot I think ground problem. >>>> >>>> Cheers and Happy New Year, >>>> Rainer >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: drucyphr >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>> >>>> I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works. >>>> >>>> Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5. >>>> >>>> If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions please respond. >>>> >>>> Thanks and happy New Years! >>>> >>>> -Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: >>>>> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? >>>>> >>>>> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks >>>>> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your >>>>> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor >>>>> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every >>>>> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: drucyphr >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair. >>>>> >>>>> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured. >>>>> >>>>> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help. >>>>> >>>>> -Andrew >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct >>>>> driven, the supply capstan is belt driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. >>>>> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler. >>>>> >>>>> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds >>>>> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or >>>>> glazed idler) It could also be electrical (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply >>>>> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, >>>>> as these idlers tend to live forever. >>>>> >>>>> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of >>>>> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no >>>>> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe >>>>> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If >>>>> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. >>>>> >>>>> Let us know hoe you're doing, >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: drucyphr >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions >>>>> >>>>> Hello Naks, new member here. >>>>> >>>>> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi. >>>>> >>>>> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled. >>>>> >>>>> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.. >>>>> >>>>> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>> -Andrew >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======= >>>> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>> http://www.pctools.com >>>> ======= >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======= >>>> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>> http://www.pctools.com/ >>>> ======= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======= >>>> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) >>>> http://www.pctools.com >>>> ======= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ewv.tap.nak at moosecove.org Fri Jan 4 18:53:14 2013 From: ewv.tap.nak at moosecove.org (ewv) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 12:53:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Delete previous content PLEASE In-Reply-To: <201301041109.r04B80mW021662@zxe.naks.com> References: <201301041109.r04B80mW021662@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0MG400DP04CQZQ50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> At 06:09 AM 1/4/2013, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >Message: 8 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:39:48 +0000 >From: perry.nak at comcast.net >Subject: [naktalk] Delete previous content PLEASE > >Why is it SO hard to delete the old content for some of you? In Rons >last post there were all of the last two digests in their entirety >included under his message?! Please be kind and DELETE.!!! >Perry Esposito It isn't hard, taking only minimal thought and responsibility to compose and format posts intelligibly. Even kindness isn't required for that. Including irrelevent text in posts, now routinely multiple entire digests, makes finding and reading all posts beyond the first one nearly impossible and also often obscures what the new post is referring to. If you want your own and others' posts to be understood, please only include previous text relevent to and being addressed in new posts. From drucyphr at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 19:06:01 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 12:06:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: <001001cdea97$3ebd7f60$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> <001001cdea97$3ebd7f60$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Yes, I checked the headphone output and the problem was the same. I also checked for output through Source Mode and nothing. I think it might be a problem with the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply. I will measure their values and verify their condition, as well as bypass the muting transistors and check for output. On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: > ** > Andrew, did you try using headphones with rcas disconnected ? Still sounds > to me like you have an external connection or ground problem. There is an > internal mute circuit but that would not explain the noisy pot as far as I > know. You might try checking the archives, I think someone had a similar > problem recently. > > Rainer > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > I just finished spraying the volume potentiometer and the problem is still > there. 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URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Fri Jan 4 20:05:26 2013 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:05:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: <001001cdea97$3ebd7f60$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <1357326326.53410.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know if there is any kind of record play switch or relay on the BX 300's  circuit board ?  I think my BX 2 has a small relay covered by a piece of clear plastic.   thomas. --- On Fri, 1/4/13, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: From: Rainer & Joy-Ell Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, January 4, 2013, 11:19 AM Andrew, did you try using headphones with rcas disconnected ? Still sounds to me like you have an external connection or ground problem. There is an internal mute circuit but that would not explain the noisy pot as far as I know. You might try checking the archives, I think someone had a similar problem recently.    Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: drucyphr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions I just finished spraying the volume potentiometer and the problem is still there. I looked around for a loose ground wire and everything inside the unit looks to be in it's original position. About Dave's suggestion: I have the rca's connected to the Line Output in the rear. I don't know where do go from here, please help me. Thanks, Andrew   ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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I was shipped to me and I know how mail carriers handle large packages. I do not have a signal tracer, but perhaps I can borrow one or make my own. If I use an amp/speaker and connect a probe to the amps input, where do I connect the other wire? Will any ground connection inside the unit work or should it connect to the output rca? Will the service manual have a schematic that I can follow to find the signal path or should I just try and follow traces on the board? I am also reading through all the Naktalk archives. I am just learning about the infamous *Orange Cap Disease*. It sounds like that could be the problem. I found another BX300 owner with the same issue and a recap solved his problem. I have been photographing everything I have done to this unit. If a photo will help, let me know and I'll upload some pictures. Sounds like it's going to be a busy weekend for me. Except to hear back from me soon. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 16:04:13 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 07:04:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <1357398253.63554.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > I do not have a signal tracer, but perhaps I can borrow one or make my own. If I use an amp/speaker and > connect a probe to the amps input, where do I connect the other wire? Will any ground connection inside > the unit work or should it connect to the output rca? Connect your amp ground lead yo any good ground connection in the deck, one of the RCA jacks outer lead is fine. The amp input 'hot' lead goes to a probe. With the deck playing a known good cassette, touch the probe to the output RCA jack center tag. You will likely hear the 'static' and no audio. Move the probe back in  the signal path, point by point, until you pick up the audio. > Will the service manual have a schematic that I can follow to find the signal > path or should I just try and follow traces on the board? The service manual does contain a full schematic. Hint: before proceeding, make sure all voltages at the power supply outputs are correct and stable. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: drucyphr >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 4:19 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions > > >Thanks everyone for the suggestions. > >When I replaced the idler tire, I went through the front of the unit. I do not think any wires were removed or damaged. The condition inside this unit is very clean, it looks new. There is no sign of previous service on the board, all the solder joints look good and no components look burned or overheated. The one-owner I purchased from said it was rarely used, and he stressed rarely. He also said it was never opened. I am hoping a cracked board is not the issue, but I am not ruling anything out yet. I was shipped to me and I know how mail carriers handle large packages. > >I do not have a signal tracer, but perhaps I can borrow one or make my own. If I use an amp/speaker and connect a probe to the amps input, where do I connect the other wire? Will any ground connection inside the unit work or should it connect to the output rca? Will the service manual have a schematic that I can follow to find the signal path or should I just try and follow traces on the board? > >I am also reading through all the Naktalk archives. I am just learning about the infamous Orange Cap Disease. It sounds like that could be the problem. I found another BX300 owner with the same issue and a recap solved his problem. > > >I have been photographing everything I have done to this unit. If a photo will help, let me know and I'll upload some pictures. > > >Sounds like it's going to be a busy weekend for me. Except to hear back from me soon. > >Thanks everyone. >-Andrew >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From klepape at shaw.ca Sun Jan 6 04:34:31 2013 From: klepape at shaw.ca (Kevin LePape) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:34:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... Message-ID: <000501cdebbe$be5de2f0$3b19a8d0$@ca> So this may seem a bit out of the realm of Naktalk at first bear with me. I am thinking of selling my 2004 Audi A4 3.0l 6 speed MT Avant , black on black, which is like new, 8/10 or better in every respect. I am the original owner and it has 88,000 km. I am a total gearhead, it's been meticulously maintained and lightly modified. Driven year-round for 4 years, garaged for the winter since 2008. The most important thing about this car is that it is a rolling nirvana of music: speakers replaced by Focal/JMLab component drivers with strategic sound deadening. I have kept this car and cared for it no small part because it has a first-rate head unit with (and here we get to the Naktalk relevance) an excellent cassette player and 6 CD in the form of the Audi Symphony II. In order to actually ensure continuity I also purchased a brand new, OEM Audi Symphony II for a spare as I heard they were going to discontinue in 2011. I'm looking for $16,000 (firm, very firm as this is a good deal) and am in Nelson, BC (in the mountains halfway between Calgary & Vancouver). So besides the weak relevance of the cassette player why am I telling you about this? Because if and when I sell the car I will thereafter sell the Willie Herman renovated 660ZX and Dragon (original owner on both which are immaculate, have always functioned perfectly and still do) as well as the brand new, sealed 30 TDK MA-XG90 and 10 Sony SR Metal90 tapes I have left. Maybe also the 30+ TDK MA-XG90 recorded on once with such things as the 3 Blind Mice 45rpm edition of the Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Trio Midnight Sugar which makes the hair on my neck stand up. Plus the American Recordings Hexane cleaner, demag, and assorted accoutrements. I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING UNTIL THE CAR I SOLD. If you are interested in the car then I will happily provide any details, photo's, documentation for everything and, of course, discuss a package deal. This is a pretty unique and desirable package and I'd like it all to go to a good home. If you are not interested in the car DO NOT CONTACT ME. I have the car listed online nationally. If and when I sell the car if the decks and tapes don't go with it then I will be back on this venerable list and offer to you as a separate sale. For now I thought I'd better offer up the whole enchilada in case there was anyone interested. 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All metallic parts in the cassette well should be demagnetized. - Ron >________________________________ > From: j. helffrich >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:34 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Talk about demagnetizing > > >OK, in the discussion of demagnetizing, while everybody is concerned about the heads, and rightly so, what I have generally heard for R2R decks is that the demagentization of the guides is most important.  In any demag procedure, it is essential to go over any ferrous parts in contact with the tape, and remove the demagnetizer SLOWLY. >  >Jerry Helffrich > > >*************************************** > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 15:33:54 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 06:33:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Talk about demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <1357436065.58518.YahooMailNeo@web140804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201301041116.r04B80mX021662@zxe.naks.com> <1357436065.58518.YahooMailNeo@web140804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357482834.48368.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Quite true... I thought this was a given. All metallic parts in the cassette well should be demagnetized. - Ron >________________________________ > From: j. helffrich >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:34 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Talk about demagnetizing > > >OK, in the discussion of demagnetizing, while everybody is concerned about the heads, and rightly so, what I have generally heard for R2R decks is that the demagentization of the guides is most important.  In any demag procedure, it is essential to go over any ferrous parts in contact with the tape, and remove the demagnetizer SLOWLY. >  >Jerry Helffrich > > >*************************************** > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Sun Jan 6 10:54:04 2013 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 01:54:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... In-Reply-To: <000501cdebbe$be5de2f0$3b19a8d0$@ca> References: <000501cdebbe$be5de2f0$3b19a8d0$@ca> Message-ID: <000001cdebf3$c3b4f8d0$4b1eea70$@mechner.net> This is a really funny guy!!! Offering a car on Naktalk to allow the buyer to get access to his restored 660ZX and a Dragon. I can't finish wiping my lough tears away. Dude, why would anyone and I literally mean ANYONE buy an '04 Audi for 16k??? From the middle of nowhere in Canada??? I do believe I'm located closest to there anyways, but still among people :) I'm having a party right now and all my guests lough to tears, believe me. After only 2 min of research as of how much a stupid Audi costs, this is what we came up with: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc &csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=103046695&listingRecNum=14&criteria=sf1Dir%3DASC% 26alMdId%3D20596%26mkId%3D20049%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D20596%26rd%3D100000%26 crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoYear%26zc%3D98008%26rn%3D0%26 PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26yrMn%3D2007 %26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26alMkId%3D20049%26rpp%3D50%26fe edSegId%3D28705&aff=gogsema&listType=1 You made our party even better. One last question: When you posted this, were you high (like 420 friendly or so)? Adrian P.S. Super funny :) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin LePape Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... So this may seem a bit out of the realm of Naktalk at first bear with me. I am thinking of selling my 2004 Audi A4 3.0l 6 speed MT Avant , black on black, which is like new, 8/10 or better in every respect. I am the original owner and it has 88,000 km. I am a total gearhead, it's been meticulously maintained and lightly modified. Driven year-round for 4 years, garaged for the winter since 2008. The most important thing about this car is that it is a rolling nirvana of music: speakers replaced by Focal/JMLab component drivers with strategic sound deadening. I have kept this car and cared for it no small part because it has a first-rate head unit with (and here we get to the Naktalk relevance) an excellent cassette player and 6 CD in the form of the Audi Symphony II. In order to actually ensure continuity I also purchased a brand new, OEM Audi Symphony II for a spare as I heard they were going to discontinue in 2011. I'm looking for $16,000 (firm, very firm as this is a good deal) and am in Nelson, BC (in the mountains halfway between Calgary & Vancouver). So besides the weak relevance of the cassette player why am I telling you about this? Because if and when I sell the car I will thereafter sell the Willie Herman renovated 660ZX and Dragon (original owner on both which are immaculate, have always functioned perfectly and still do) as well as the brand new, sealed 30 TDK MA-XG90 and 10 Sony SR Metal90 tapes I have left. Maybe also the 30+ TDK MA-XG90 recorded on once with such things as the 3 Blind Mice 45rpm edition of the Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Trio Midnight Sugar which makes the hair on my neck stand up. Plus the American Recordings Hexane cleaner, demag, and assorted accoutrements. I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING UNTIL THE CAR I SOLD. If you are interested in the car then I will happily provide any details, photo's, documentation for everything and, of course, discuss a package deal. This is a pretty unique and desirable package and I'd like it all to go to a good home. If you are not interested in the car DO NOT CONTACT ME. I have the car listed online nationally. If and when I sell the car if the decks and tapes don't go with it then I will be back on this venerable list and offer to you as a separate sale. For now I thought I'd better offer up the whole enchilada in case there was anyone interested. Thanks for your consideration, Kevin klepape at shaw.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psycho at rayhogan.net Sun Jan 6 12:27:24 2013 From: psycho at rayhogan.net (Hogan Ray) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:27:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re Car Sale Message-ID: <03F49613-85B8-408D-BFA8-9C329CF7111D@rayhogan.net> Kevin, This post is irrelevant until you've sold your car and if and when machine and tapes become "available"!! Until then it's hypothetical. Thanks. Ray Hogan Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best. - Frank Zappa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NewGoJLogos3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 47236 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Sun Jan 6 18:16:19 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:16:19 -0200 Subject: Res: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... In-Reply-To: <000501cdebbe$be5de2f0$3b19a8d0$@ca> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B378@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi Kevin, This is the most "unorthodox" sale offer I've ever seen... Quite frankly, as a Nakamichi enthusiast I couldn't care less about the Audio (although I too enjoy and love cars!). If and when you put the Nak decks for sale then we (I guess I can speak for all of us Naktalk members) will be interested in hearing what you have to say and offer. Best regards, Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: naktalk at naks.com Enviada em: Sun Jan 06 01:34:31 2013 Assunto: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... So this may seem a bit out of the realm of Naktalk at first bear with me. I am thinking of selling my 2004 Audi A4 3.0l 6 speed MT Avant , black on black, which is like new, 8/10 or better in every respect. I am the original owner and it has 88,000 km. I am a total gearhead, it’s been meticulously maintained and lightly modified. Driven year-round for 4 years, garaged for the winter since 2008. The most important thing about this car is that it is a rolling nirvana of music: speakers replaced by Focal/JMLab component drivers with strategic sound deadening. I have kept this car and cared for it no small part because it has a first-rate head unit with (and here we get to the Naktalk relevance) an excellent cassette player and 6 CD in the form of the Audi Symphony II. In order to actually ensure continuity I also purchased a brand new, OEM Audi Symphony II for a spare as I heard they were going to discontinue in 2011. I’m looking for $16,000 (firm, very firm as this is a good deal) and am in Nelson, BC (in the mountains halfway between Calgary & Vancouver). So besides the weak relevance of the cassette player why am I telling you about this? Because if and when I sell the car I will thereafter sell the Willie Herman renovated 660ZX and Dragon (original owner on both which are immaculate, have always functioned perfectly and still do) as well as the brand new, sealed 30 TDK MA-XG90 and 10 Sony SR Metal90 tapes I have left. Maybe also the 30+ TDK MA-XG90 recorded on once with such things as the 3 Blind Mice 45rpm edition of the Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Trio Midnight Sugar which makes the hair on my neck stand up. Plus the American Recordings Hexane cleaner, demag, and assorted accoutrements. I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING UNTIL THE CAR I SOLD. If you are interested in the car then I will happily provide any details, photo’s, documentation for everything and, of course, discuss a package deal. This is a pretty unique and desirable package and I’d like it all to go to a good home. If you are not interested in the car DO NOT CONTACT ME. I have the car listed online nationally. If and when I sell the car if the decks and tapes don’t go with it then I will be back on this venerable list and offer to you as a separate sale. For now I thought I’d better offer up the whole enchilada in case there was anyone interested. Thanks for your consideration, Kevin klepape at shaw.ca Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 20:52:02 2013 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 14:52:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Never thought I'd be doing this... In-Reply-To: <201301061109.r06B7w3f026723@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <201301062107.r06L7QYY028424@zxe.naks.com> Kevin Hey, maybe you will have better luck if the ad reads: "Nakamichi Dragon and 660ZX. Only $16K and comes with FREE Audi A4 3.01 6 speed MT Avant"? This sounds like a good deal for someone, good luck! Rob =========================================================================== Message: 5 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:34:31 -0800 From: "Kevin LePape" Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... To: Message-ID: <000501cdebbe$be5de2f0$3b19a8d0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So this may seem a bit out of the realm of Naktalk at first bear with me. I am thinking of selling my 2004 Audi A4 3.0l 6 speed MT Avant , black on black, which is like new, 8/10 or better in every respect. I am the original owner and it has 88,000 km. I am a total gearhead, it's been meticulously maintained and lightly modified. Driven year-round for 4 years, garaged for the winter since 2008. The most important thing about this car is that it is a rolling nirvana of music: speakers replaced by Focal/JMLab component drivers with strategic sound deadening. I have kept this car and cared for it no small part because it has a first-rate head unit with (and here we get to the Naktalk relevance) an excellent cassette player and 6 CD in the form of the Audi Symphony II. In order to actually ensure continuity I also purchased a brand new, OEM Audi Symphony II for a spare as I heard they were going to discontinue in 2011. I'm looking for $16,000 (firm, very firm as this is a good deal) and am in Nelson, BC (in the mountains halfway between Calgary & Vancouver). So besides the weak relevance of the cassette player why am I telling you about this? Because if and when I sell the car I will thereafter sell the Willie Herman renovated 660ZX and Dragon (original owner on both which are immaculate, have always functioned perfectly and still do) as well as the brand new, sealed 30 TDK MA-XG90 and 10 Sony SR Metal90 tapes I have left. Maybe also the 30+ TDK MA-XG90 recorded on once with such things as the 3 Blind Mice 45rpm edition of the Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Trio Midnight Sugar which makes the hair on my neck stand up. Plus the American Recordings Hexane cleaner, demag, and assorted accoutrements. I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING UNTIL THE CAR I SOLD. If you are interested in the car then I will happily provide any details, photo's, documentation for everything and, of course, discuss a package deal. This is a pretty unique and desirable package and I'd like it all to go to a good home. If you are not interested in the car DO NOT CONTACT ME. I have the car listed online nationally. If and when I sell the car if the decks and tapes don't go with it then I will be back on this venerable list and offer to you as a separate sale. For now I thought I'd better offer up the whole enchilada in case there was anyone interested. Thanks for your consideration, Kevin klepape at shaw.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130105/ef838b9a/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 6 *************************************** From adrian at mechner.net Mon Jan 7 00:14:05 2013 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:14:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Never thought I'd be doing this... In-Reply-To: <201301062107.r06L7QYY028424@zxe.naks.com> References: <201301061109.r06B7w3f026723@zxe.naks.com> <201301062107.r06L7QYY028424@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000301cdec63$86880130$93980390$@mechner.net> -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of RSB Another option would be: Willing to sell separately as 660 + 1/2 Audi as a part and Dragon + other 1/2 of the Audi as another part. My two cents: If the parts are a girl and a boy (both singles) and they need to share the Audi, this might also end up as a happy family :)... Dude, you're a genius!!! You should do stand up comedy :) Adrian Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 11:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Never thought I'd be doing this... Kevin Hey, maybe you will have better luck if the ad reads: "Nakamichi Dragon and 660ZX. Only $16K and comes with FREE Audi A4 3.01 6 speed MT Avant"? This sounds like a good deal for someone, good luck! Rob From mcole01 at comcast.net Mon Jan 7 00:25:48 2013 From: mcole01 at comcast.net (Michael Cole) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:25:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 6.3 volt 100 mA sub-miniature lamps (bulbs) Message-ID: <6279A45A2C7D4AB8BB98FCE6ACAED44F@MichaelPC> Hello, I’ve been trying to source 6.3 volt 100 mA bi-pin subminiature lamps for use in my Nakamichi. The lamps are 1 cm high. The closest I’ve been able to find are 6.3 volt 200 mA. Might someone have a source for the correct lamps, or would these work? Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 01:12:17 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:12:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... In-Reply-To: <000001cdebf3$c3b4f8d0$4b1eea70$@mechner.net> References: <000501cdebbe$be5de2f0$3b19a8d0$@ca> <000001cdebf3$c3b4f8d0$4b1eea70$@mechner.net> Message-ID: <1357517537.78574.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > When you posted this, were you high? No, just hoping   :-) >________________________________ > From: Adrian Mechner >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:54 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... > > >This is a really funny guy!!! >Offering a car on Naktalk to allow the buyer to get access to his restored 660ZX and a Dragon. I can’t finish wiping my lough tears away… >Dude, why would anyone and I literally mean ANYONE buy an ’04 Audi for 16k??? From the middle of nowhere in Canada??? I do believe I’m located closest to there anyways, but still among people J >I’m having a party right now and all my guests lough to tears, believe me. >After only 2 min of research as of how much a stupid Audi costs, this is what we came up with: >http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=103046695&listingRecNum=14&criteria=sf1Dir%3DASC%26alMdId%3D20596%26mkId%3D20049%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D20596%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoYear%26zc%3D98008%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26yrMn%3D2007%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26alMkId%3D20049%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=gogsema&listType=1 >  >You made our party even better… >One last question: When you posted this, were you high (like 420 friendly or so)? >  >Adrian >P.S. Super funny J >  >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin LePape >Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:35 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... >  >So this may seem a bit out of the realm of Naktalk at first bear with me. I am thinking of selling my 2004 Audi A4 3.0l 6 speed MT Avant , black on black, which is like new, 8/10 or better in every respect. I am the original owner and it has 88,000 km. I am a total gearhead, it’s been meticulously maintained and lightly modified. Driven year-round for 4 years, garaged for the winter since 2008. The most important thing about this car is that it is a rolling nirvana of music: speakers replaced by Focal/JMLab component drivers with strategic sound deadening. I have kept this car and cared for it no small part because it has a first-rate head unit with (and here we get to the Naktalk relevance) an excellent cassette player and 6 CD in the form of the Audi Symphony II. In order to actually ensure continuity I also purchased a brand new, OEM Audi Symphony II for a spare as I heard they were going to discontinue in 2011. I’m looking for $16,000 (firm, very firm as this is a good deal) and am in Nelson, BC (in the mountains halfway between Calgary & Vancouver).  So besides the weak relevance of the cassette player why am I telling you about this? Because if and when I sell the car I will thereafter sell the Willie Herman renovated 660ZX and Dragon (original owner on both which are immaculate, have always functioned perfectly and still do) as well as the brand new, sealed 30 TDK MA-XG90 and 10 Sony SR Metal90 tapes I have left. Maybe also the 30+ TDK MA-XG90 recorded on once with such things as the 3 Blind Mice 45rpm edition of the Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Trio Midnight Sugar which makes the hair on my neck stand up. Plus the American Recordings Hexane cleaner, demag, and assorted accoutrements. I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING UNTIL THE CAR I SOLD. If you are interested in the car then I will happily provide any details, photo’s, documentation for everything and, of course, discuss a package deal. This is a pretty unique and desirable package and I’d like it all to go to a good home. If you are not interested in the car DO NOT CONTACT ME. I have the car listed online nationally. If and when I sell the car if the decks and tapes don’t go with it then I will be back on this venerable list and offer to you as a separate sale. For now I thought I’d better offer up the whole enchilada in case there was anyone interested. Thanks for your consideration,  Kevin    klepape at shaw.ca >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klepape at shaw.ca Mon Jan 7 03:59:27 2013 From: klepape at shaw.ca (Kevin LePape) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:59:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... Message-ID: <001401cdec83$02343820$069ca860$@ca> I've been a member of this list since 2003. I simply thought that of the many members there might be someone interested in the car (anyone remember Ti Kan?) and also therefore the machines and tapes. For me they are connected: if I sell the car then I'm getting out of tapes and also, BTW, vinyl. I only do the tapes because I have 3500 or so LP's and couldn't previously justify replacing them with CD's. Hence the Naks for tapes for the car. But because of downloading CD's are available pretty cheap these days. I'm getting old, I guess, as a lot of the effort involved in taping and vinyl seems just like that lately: effort. Likewise for the car, I have too many vehicles and moving them around especially in winter is getting old. And properly maintaining them all takes time better spent on a mountain or lake. Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 for $16k because that's in the realistic price range. Your example is an A4 all right, but it's a 2.0l 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most importantly IT'S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of members who don't it is a accident write-off that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your example, Adrian, even says that the $11k price is "thousands less than retail" because of this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, something is stupid here for sure but it's not the car. There's an example of a more similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but still the lesser motor and it's in Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your door. There's another with the 3.0l motor and more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I'd say that mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never damaged in any way, with two sets of rims and tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, Stratmosphere shifter, Nuespeed suspension and more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars. We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the hundreds of WA plates - most from Seattle - that I see everyday seem to find us no problem, not to mention CA and OR, maybe because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 ski town in North America), we managed to find the above examples on Cars.com (as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For someone who bills himself as a "friendly and patient" realtor you aren't real good and winning friends and influencing people. I wasn't high when I wrote the original post nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the herb might improve your outlook and disposition.Don't like the post? Not interested in the car? Hit delete. Have a laugh with your friends. Responding on list with sarcasm and insult is just boorish at best. Cheers, Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Mon Jan 7 07:15:51 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 07:15:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 6.3 volt 100 mA sub-miniature lamps (bulbs) In-Reply-To: <6279A45A2C7D4AB8BB98FCE6ACAED44F@MichaelPC> References: <6279A45A2C7D4AB8BB98FCE6ACAED44F@MichaelPC> Message-ID: <8E05288C-4EFD-4DD4-AB08-42FB2EC208E0@ziggo.nl> Hi Mike, 200ma is a bad choice because of the heat. The plastics around the lamp would go melting. I have seen a lot of results because of that in Nakamichi decks. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 7 jan. 2013 om 00:25 heeft Michael Cole het volgende geschreven: > Hello, > > I’ve been trying to source 6.3 volt 100 mA bi-pin subminiature lamps for use in my Nakamichi. The lamps are 1 cm high. The closest I’ve been able to find are 6.3 volt 200 mA. Might someone have a source for the correct lamps, or would these work? > > Thanks, > > Mike > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Mon Jan 7 04:52:26 2013 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:52:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... In-Reply-To: <001401cdec83$02343820$069ca860$@ca> References: <001401cdec83$02343820$069ca860$@ca> Message-ID: <000001cdec8a$691135f0$3b33a1d0$@mechner.net> Dude, Those WA plated cars come, do the skiing stuff and after they head back home to where people live. BTW, "But you and your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars", me and my laughing friends don't buy that kind of old cars and, while this one as you described it, looks to me more like a pimp car or one my Mexican landscaper would drive. (Sorry, I forgot, he just got a new truck :) ). It is also rated #2 on the list of doush cars in US, so why would anyone I know, want such? Me and my friends, as you allied us, usually buy new and sell at half the age of what you have. On a Nakamichi talk related topic, I don't quite understand how an audiophile who claims to own such an impressive collection of LP's, even recorded on cassettes to preserve their condition, would ever be happy with the crappy quality of downloaded CD, as you stated? There is something I'm miss here. Are you suddenly less of an audiophile? Finally, I am going to take everything back since you didn't get it as a joke, how it was meant to be. Sarcasm is also a form of humor, some have it and others don't. Please accept my excuses, Adrian P.S. Was I the only one finding your post strange, I believe not. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin LePape Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... I've been a member of this list since 2003. I simply thought that of the many members there might be someone interested in the car (anyone remember Ti Kan?) and also therefore the machines and tapes. For me they are connected: if I sell the car then I'm getting out of tapes and also, BTW, vinyl. I only do the tapes because I have 3500 or so LP's and couldn't previously justify replacing them with CD's. Hence the Naks for tapes for the car. But because of downloading CD's are available pretty cheap these days. I'm getting old, I guess, as a lot of the effort involved in taping and vinyl seems just like that lately: effort. Likewise for the car, I have too many vehicles and moving them around especially in winter is getting old. And properly maintaining them all takes time better spent on a mountain or lake. Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 for $16k because that's in the realistic price range. Your example is an A4 all right, but it's a 2.0l 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most importantly IT'S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of members who don't it is a accident write-off that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your example, Adrian, even says that the $11k price is "thousands less than retail" because of this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, something is stupid here for sure but it's not the car. There's an example of a more similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but still the lesser motor and it's in Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your door. There's another with the 3.0l motor and more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I'd say that mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never damaged in any way, with two sets of rims and tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, Stratmosphere shifter, Nuespeed suspension and more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars. We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the hundreds of WA plates - most from Seattle - that I see everyday seem to find us no problem, not to mention CA and OR, maybe because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 ski town in North America), we managed to find the above examples on Cars.com (as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For someone who bills himself as a "friendly and patient" realtor you aren't real good and winning friends and influencing people. I wasn't high when I wrote the original post nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the herb might improve your outlook and disposition.Don't like the post? Not interested in the car? Hit delete. Have a laugh with your friends. Responding on list with sarcasm and insult is just boorish at best. Cheers, Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Mon Jan 7 04:45:55 2013 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:45:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... In-Reply-To: <001401cdec83$02343820$069ca860$@ca> References: <001401cdec83$02343820$069ca860$@ca> Message-ID: <75AA9DCC-FA17-4894-846B-66836A6B97F0@amb.org> Kevin, Thanks for the mention... Just checking in. ;) Your Nak and Audi enthusiast, -Ti -- Sent from my commlock On Jan 6, 2013, at 6:59 PM, "Kevin LePape" wrote: > I’ve been a member of this list since 2003. I simply thought that of the many members there might be someone interested in the car (anyone remember Ti Kan?) and also therefore the machines and tapes. For me they are connected: if I sell the car then I’m getting out of tapes and also, BTW, vinyl. I only do the tapes because I have 3500 or so LP’s and couldn’t previously justify replacing them with CD’s. Hence the Naks for tapes for the car. But because of downloading CD’s are available pretty cheap these days. I’m getting old, I guess, as a lot of the effort involved in taping and vinyl seems just like that lately: effort. Likewise for the car, I have too many vehicles and moving them around especially in winter is getting old. And properly maintaining them all takes time better spent on a mountain or lake. > > Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 for $16k because that’s in the realistic price range. Your example is an A4 all right, but it’s a 2.0l 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most importantly IT’S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of members who don’t it is a accident write-off that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your example, Adrian, even says that the $11k price is “thousands less than retail” because of this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, something is stupid here for sure but it’s not the car. There’s an example of a more similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but still the lesser motor and it’s in Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your door. There’s another with the 3.0l motor and more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I’d say that mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never damaged in any way, with two sets of rims and tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, Stratmosphere shifter, Nuespeed suspension and more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars. > > We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the hundreds of WA plates – most from Seattle – that I see everyday seem to find us no problem, not to mention CA and OR, maybe because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 ski town in North America), we managed to find the above examples on Cars.com (as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For someone who bills himself as a “friendly and patient” realtor you aren’t real good and winning friends and influencing people. I wasn’t high when I wrote the original post nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the herb might improve your outlook and disposition…Don’t like the post? Not interested in the car? Hit delete. Have a laugh with your friends. Responding on list with sarcasm and insult is just boorish at best. > > Cheers, > > Kevin > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 05:19:42 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:19:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... In-Reply-To: <001401cdec83$02343820$069ca860$@ca> References: <001401cdec83$02343820$069ca860$@ca> Message-ID: <607A310A-7333-4DE0-9AFB-837D3014A743@gmail.com> Guys, I have two beautiful donkeys for sale. One is Nak and the other is Talk. They both eat 4 sacks of beans producing spectacular farts all day. Attached to their arses are a pair of French Focal towers. Flat response no cooration like the Quebec french. Monitoring them is a virgin with a ZX-9. Do not contact me if you dont want the donkeys. These are not R Tilted crap donkeys. Once donkeys are sold we can discuss virgin and Nak Paypal accepted Nak and Talk Virgin You guys dont need a picture of a ZX9 right? Ashvin On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "Kevin LePape" wrote: > I’ve been a member of this list since 2003. I simply thought that of the many members there might be someone interested in the car (anyone remember Ti Kan?) and also therefore the machines and tapes. For me they are connected: if I sell the car then I’m getting out of tapes and also, BTW, vinyl. I only do the tapes because I have 3500 or so LP’s and couldn’t previously justify replacing them with CD’s. Hence the Naks for tapes for the car. But because of downloading CD’s are available pretty cheap these days. I’m getting old, I guess, as a lot of the effort involved in taping and vinyl seems just like that lately: effort. Likewise for the car, I have too many vehicles and moving them around especially in winter is getting old. And properly maintaining them all takes time better spent on a mountain or lake. > > Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 for $16k because that’s in the realistic price range. Your example is an A4 all right, but it’s a 2.0l 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most importantly IT’S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of members who don’t it is a accident write-off that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your example, Adrian, even says that the $11k price is “thousands less than retail” because of this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, something is stupid here for sure but it’s not the car. There’s an example of a more similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but still the lesser motor and it’s in Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your door. There’s another with the 3.0l motor and more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I’d say that mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never damaged in any way, with two sets of rims and tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, Stratmosphere shifter, Nuespeed suspension and more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars. > > We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the hundreds of WA plates – most from Seattle – that I see everyday seem to find us no problem, not to mention CA and OR, maybe because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 ski town in North America), we managed to find the above examples on Cars.com (as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For someone who bills himself as a “friendly and patient” realtor you aren’t real good and winning friends and influencing people. I wasn’t high when I wrote the original post nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the herb might improve your outlook and disposition…Don’t like the post? Not interested in the car? Hit delete. Have a laugh with your friends. Responding on list with sarcasm and insult is just boorish at best. > > Cheers, > > Kevin > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: images.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10389 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 11:19 PM Guys, I have two beautiful donkeys for sale. One is Nak and the other is Talk. They both eat 4 sacks of beans producing spectacular farts all day. Attached to their arses are a pair of French Focal towers. Flat response no cooration like the Quebec french. Monitoring them is a virgin with a ZX-9.  Do not contact me if you dont want the donkeys. These are not R Tilted crap donkeys. Once donkeys are sold we can discuss virgin and Nak Paypal accepted Nak and Talk Virgin You guys dont need a picture of a ZX9 right? Ashvin On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "Kevin LePape" wrote: I’ve been a member of this list since 2003. I simply thought that of the many members there might be someone interested in the car (anyone remember Ti Kan?) and also therefore the machines and tapes. For me they are connected: if I sell the car then I’m getting out of tapes and also, BTW, vinyl. I only do the tapes because I have 3500 or so LP’s and couldn’t previously justify replacing them with CD’s. Hence the Naks for tapes for the car. But because of downloading CD’s are available pretty cheap these days. I’m getting old, I guess, as a lot of the effort involved in taping and vinyl seems just like that lately: effort. Likewise for the car, I have too many vehicles and moving them around especially in winter is getting old. And properly maintaining them all takes time better spent on a mountain or lake.   Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 for $16k because that’s in the realistic price range. Your example is an A4 all right, but it’s a 2.0l 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most importantly IT’S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of members who don’t it is a accident write-off that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your example, Adrian, even says that the $11k price is “thousands less than retail” because of this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, something is stupid here for sure but it’s not the car. There’s an example of a more similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but still the lesser motor and it’s in Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your door. There’s another with the 3.0l motor and more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I’d say that mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never damaged in any way, with two sets of rims and tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, Stratmosphere shifter, Nuespeed suspension and more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars.   We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the hundreds of WA plates – most from Seattle – that I see everyday seem to find us no problem, not to mention CA and OR, maybe because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 ski town in North America), we managed to find the above examples on Cars.com (as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For someone who bills himself as a “friendly and patient” realtor you aren’t real good and winning friends and influencing people. I wasn’t high when I wrote the original post nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the herb might improve your outlook and disposition…Don’t like the post? Not interested in the car? Hit delete. Have a laugh with your friends. 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(Well, I my opinion) Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ashvin Srivastava Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 8:20 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... Guys, I have two beautiful donkeys for sale. One is Nak and the other is Talk. They both eat 4 sacks of beans producing spectacular farts all day. Attached to their arses are a pair of French Focal towers. Flat response no cooration like the Quebec french. Monitoring them is a virgin with a ZX-9. Do not contact me if you dont want the donkeys. These are not R Tilted crap donkeys. Once donkeys are sold we can discuss virgin and Nak Paypal accepted Nak and Talk Virgin You guys dont need a picture of a ZX9 right? Ashvin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They both eat 4 sacks of beans producing spectacular farts all day. Attached to their arses are a pair of French Focal towers. Flat response no cooration like the Quebec french. Monitoring them is a virgin with a ZX-9. Do not contact me if you dont want the donkeys. These are not R Tilted crap donkeys. Once donkeys are sold we can discuss virgin and Nak Paypal accepted images.jpeg Nak and Talk images.jpeg Virgin You guys dont need a picture of a ZX9 right? Ashvin On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "Kevin LePape" > wrote: I’ve been a member of this list since 2003. I simply thought that of the many members there might be someone interested in the car (anyone remember Ti Kan?) and also therefore the machines and tapes. For me they are connected: if I sell the car then I’m getting out of tapes and also, BTW, vinyl. I only do the tapes because I have 3500 or so LP’s and couldn’t previously justify replacing them with CD’s. Hence the Naks for tapes for the car. But because of downloading CD’s are available pretty cheap these days. I’m getting old, I guess, as a lot of the effort involved in taping and vinyl seems just like that lately: effort. Likewise for the car, I have too many vehicles and moving them around especially in winter is getting old. And properly maintaining them all takes time better spent on a mountain or lake. Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 for $16k because that’s in the realistic price range. Your example is an A4 all right, but it’s a 2.0l 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most importantly IT’S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of members who don’t it is a accident write-off that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your example, Adrian, even says that the $11k price is “thousands less than retail” because of this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, something is stupid here for sure but it’s not the car. There’s an example of a more similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but still the lesser motor and it’s in Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your door. There’s another with the 3.0l motor and more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I’d say that mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never damaged in any way, with two sets of rims and tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, Stratmosphere shifter, Nuespeed suspension and more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars. We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the hundreds of WA plates – most from Seattle – that I see everyday seem to find us no problem, not to mention CA and OR, maybe because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 ski town in North America), we managed to find the above examples on Cars.com (as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For someone who bills himself as a “friendly and patient” realtor you aren’t real good and winning friends and influencing people. I wasn’t high when I wrote the original post nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the herb might improve your outlook and disposition…Don’t like the post? Not interested in the car? Hit delete. Have a laugh with your friends. Responding on list with sarcasm and insult is just boorish at best. 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Monitoring them is a virgin with a ZX-9. >Do not contact me if you dont want the donkeys. >These are not R Tilted crap donkeys. >Once donkeys are sold we can discuss virgin and Nak >Paypal accepted > >images.jpeg > >Nak and Talk > >images.jpeg > > >Virgin > >You guys dont need a picture of a ZX9 right? > >Ashvin > >On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "Kevin LePape" ><klepape at shaw.ca> wrote: > >>I’ve been a member of this list since 2003. I >>simply thought that of the many members there >>might be someone interested in the car (anyone >>remember Ti Kan?) and also therefore the >>machines and tapes. For me they are connected: >>if I sell the car then I’m getting out of >>tapes and also, BTW, vinyl. I only do the tapes >>because I have 3500 or so LP’s and couldn’t >>previously justify replacing them with CD’s. >>Hence the Naks for tapes for the car. But >>because of downloading CD’s are available >>pretty cheap these days. I’m getting old, I >>guess, as a lot of the effort involved in >>taping and vinyl seems just like that lately: >>effort. Likewise for the car, I have too many >>vehicles and moving them around especially in >>winter is getting old. And properly maintaining >>them all takes time better spent on a mountain or lake. >> >>Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 >>for $16k because that’s in the realistic >>price range. Your example is an A4 all right, >>but it’s a 2.0l 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most >>importantly IT’S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know >>what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of >>members who don’t it is a accident write-off >>that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your >>example, Adrian, even says that the $11k price >>is “thousands less than retail” because of >>this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, >>something is stupid here for sure but it’s >>not the car. There’s an example of a more >>similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but >>still the lesser motor and it’s in >>Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your >>door. There’s another with the 3.0l motor and >>more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I’d >>say that mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never >>damaged in any way, with two sets of rims and >>tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, >>Stratmosphere shifter, Nuespeed suspension and >>more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and your >>party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars. >> >>We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the >>hundreds of WA plates –“ most from Seattle – >>that I see everyday seem to find us no >>problem,, not to mention CA and OR, maybe >>because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 >>ski town in North America), we managed to find >>the above examples on Cars.com >>(as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For >>someone who bills himself as a “friendly and >>patient” realtor you aren’t real good and >>winning friends and influencing people. I >>wasn’t high when I wrote the original post >>nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM >>while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the >>herb might improve your outlook and >>disposition Don’t like thee post? Not >>interested in the car? Hit delete. Have a laugh >>with your friends. Responding on list with >>sarcasm and insult is just boorish at best. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Kevin >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MY GRANDSON WOULD JUST LOVE THEM _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:20 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... I'll take them!! --- On Sun, 1/6/13, Ashvin Srivastava wrote: From: Ashvin Srivastava Subject: Re: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 11:19 PM Guys, I have two beautiful donkeys for sale. One is Nak and the other is Talk. They both eat 4 sacks of beans producing spectacular farts all day. Attached to their arses are a pair of French Focal towers. Flat response no cooration like the Quebec french. Monitoring them is a virgin with a ZX-9. Do not contact me if you dont want the donkeys. These are not R Tilted crap donkeys. Once donkeys are sold we can discuss virgin and Nak Paypal accepted images.jpeg Nak and Talk images.jpeg Virgin You guys dont need a picture of a ZX9 right? Ashvin On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "Kevin LePape" > wrote: I've been a member of this list since 2003. I simply thought that of the many members there might be someone interested in the car (anyone remember Ti Kan?) and also therefore the machines and tapes. For me they are connected: if I sell the car then I'm getting out of tapes and also, BTW, vinyl. I only do the tapes because I have 3500 or so LP's and couldn't previously justify replacing them with CD's. Hence the Naks for tapes for the car. But because of downloading CD's are available pretty cheap these days. I'm getting old, I guess, as a lot of the effort involved in taping and vinyl seems just like that lately: effort. Likewise for the car, I have too many vehicles and moving them around especially in winter is getting old. And properly maintaining them all takes time better spent on a mountain or lake. Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 for $16k because that's in the realistic price range. Your example is an A4 all right, but it's a 2.0l 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most importantly IT'S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of members who don't it is a accident write-off that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your example, Adrian, even says that the $11k price is "thousands less than retail" because of this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, something is stupid here for sure but it's not the car. There's an example of a more similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but still the lesser motor and it's in Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your door. There's another with the 3.0l motor and more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I'd say that mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never damaged in any way, with two sets of rims and tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, Stratmosphere shifter, Nuespeed suspension and more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars. We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the hundreds of WA plates - most from Seattle - that I see everyday seem to find us no problem, not to mention CA and OR, maybe because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 ski town in North America), we managed to find the above examples on Cars.com (as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For someone who bills himself as a "friendly and patient" realtor you aren't real good and winning friends and influencing people. I wasn't high when I wrote the original post nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the herb might improve your outlook and disposition.Don't like the post? Not interested in the car? Hit delete. Have a laugh with your friends. Responding on list with sarcasm and insult is just boorish at best. 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Willy On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > I’ll take them!!**** > > --- On *Sun, 1/6/13, Ashvin Srivastava * wrote:**** > > > From: Ashvin Srivastava > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Never thought I'd be doing this... > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 11:19 PM**** > > Guys,**** > > ** ** > > I have two beautiful donkeys for sale. One is Nak and the other is Talk. > They both eat 4 sacks of beans producing spectacular farts all day. > Attached to their arses are a pair of French Focal towers. Flat response no > cooration like the Quebec french. Monitoring them is a virgin with a ZX-9. > **** > > Do not contact me if you dont want the donkeys. These are not R Tilted > crap donkeys.**** > > Once donkeys are sold we can discuss virgin and Nak**** > > Paypal accepted**** > > ** ** > > [image: images.jpeg]**** > > Nak and Talk**** > > ** ** > > [image: images.jpeg]**** > > ** ** > > Virgin**** > > ** ** > > You guys dont need a picture of a ZX9 right? > > Ashvin**** > > > On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "Kevin LePape" > > wrote:**** > > I’ve been a member of this list since 2003. I simply thought that of the > many members there might be someone interested in the car (anyone remember > Ti Kan?) and also therefore the machines and tapes. For me they are > connected: if I sell the car then I’m getting out of tapes and also, BTW, > vinyl. I only do the tapes because I have 3500 or so LP’s and couldn’t > previously justify replacing them with CD’s. Hence the Naks for tapes for > the car. But because of downloading CD’s are available pretty cheap these > days. I’m getting old, I guess, as a lot of the effort involved in taping > and vinyl seems just like that lately: effort. Likewise for the car, I have > too many vehicles and moving them around especially in winter is getting > old. And properly maintaining them all takes time better spent on a > mountain or lake.**** > > **** > > Adrian, DUDE! I guess someone might buy an A4 for $16k because that’s in > the realistic price range. Your example is an A4 all right, but it’s a 2.0l > 4cylinder 4 door sedan. Most importantly IT’S AN R-TITLED CAR! Do you know > what an R-titled car is? For the benefit of members who don’t it is a > accident write-off that has been rebuilt by a body shop. Your example, > Adrian, even says that the $11k price is “thousands less than retail” > because of this. 2 minutes of research? Stupid Audi? DUDE, something is > stupid here for sure but it’s not the car. There’s an example of a more > similar car, a wagon of similar mileage but still the lesser motor and it’s > in Woodinville for $17k only 12 miles from your door. There’s another with > the 3.0l motor and more miles than mine in Kansas for $17k. I’d say that > mine, a 1 owner low mileage, never damaged in any way, with two sets of > rims and tires, $2500 worth of speakers, Remus exhaust, Stratmosphere > shifter, Nuespeed suspension and more for $16k is a solid deal. But you and > your party friends keep laughing and wiping tears and buy the bent cars. * > *** > > **** > > We here in the middle of nowhere (Strange: the hundreds of WA plates – > most from Seattle – that I see everyday seem to find us no problem, not to > mention CA and OR, maybe because Powder Magazine just rated us the No. 1 > ski town in North America), we managed to find the above examples on > Cars.com (as did you) but in 1 minute or less. For > someone who bills himself as a “friendly and patient” realtor you aren’t > real good and winning friends and influencing people. I wasn’t high when I > wrote the original post nor am I now. I did have a good buzz on this AM > while skiing some fresh pow. A little of the herb might improve your > outlook and disposition…Don’t like the post? Not interested in the car? Hit > delete. Have a laugh with your friends. 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At least he doesn't have 3 weeks worth of back naktalks attached to a 5 word reply. Wow. Perry Esposito - From my phone From zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 8 16:20:51 2013 From: zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk (Claudio Vazquez) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:20:51 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nothing wrong with Kevin post In-Reply-To: <1149597838-1357643906-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-647932982-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1149597838-1357643906-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-647932982-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <6E1CBCEA-EC19-40C2-97F1-8A660D7DD02F@yahoo.co.uk> You speak my mind, Perry. By the way: sarcasm is not humour. It seems to be humour, but it is an aggressive action in disguise. C. Sent from the iMac On 8 Jan 2013, at 08:18, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > And you people wonder why there are so few contributors here? Adrians comment and citing were not funny, just rude and in poor taste. Who the F are you to judge anyone? What kind of audiophile are you? Are you kidding me? Get off your high horse. He stated it was an unusual post, so what? At least he doesn't have 3 weeks worth of back naktalks attached to a 5 word reply. Wow. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do know that you don't have the fucking testicles to spell FUCK (Fornication Under Consent of the King) even though you certainly clearly state it. Thank God we don't nerd Obama's permission before fornicating......opps I meant "F" No Mr. Esposito it was very wrong. Lets stick to NakTalk, lets play ball. Ashvin On Jan 8, 2013, at 5:18 AM, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > And you people wonder why there are so few contributors here? Adrians comment and citing were not funny, just rude and in poor taste. Who the F are you to judge anyone? What kind of audiophile are you? Are you kidding me? Get off your high horse. He stated it was an unusual post, so what? At least he doesn't have 3 weeks worth of back naktalks attached to a 5 word reply. Wow. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Tue Jan 8 19:38:23 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:38:23 -0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RES=3A_=5Bnaktalk=5D_Nothing_wrong_with_Kevin=B4s_post?= In-Reply-To: <6E1CBCEA-EC19-40C2-97F1-8A660D7DD02F@yahoo.co.uk> References: <1149597838-1357643906-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-647932982-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> <6E1CBCEA-EC19-40C2-97F1-8A660D7DD02F@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC405837F1B@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi everyone, I guess we all had a good laugh at the expense of our Canadian friend, with the story of two donkeys and all, but as Willy Hermann pleaded, maybe it´s time to drop it and go back to enjoying what we like best: Nakamichi decks and their spectacular sound! A great 2013 to us all! Regards from Rio de Janeiro (under a spectacular 100º F sunny Day... and I´m stuck in the office...!). Rodrigo Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Claudio Vazquez Enviada em: terça-feira, 8 de janeiro de 2013 13:21 Para: perry.nak at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nothing wrong with Kevin post You speak my mind, Perry. By the way: sarcasm is not humour. It seems to be humour, but it is an aggressive action in disguise. C. Sent from the iMac On 8 Jan 2013, at 08:18, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: And you people wonder why there are so few contributors here? Adrians comment and citing were not funny, just rude and in poor taste. Who the F are you to judge anyone? What kind of audiophile are you? Are you kidding me? Get off your high horse. He stated it was an unusual post, so what? At least he doesn't have 3 weeks worth of back naktalks attached to a 5 word reply. Wow. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 19:55:37 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:55:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Selling on Nak Talk Message-ID: <4902F51F-A2BF-4EDB-99AB-14B4FDC8B524@gmail.com> Selling on Nak Tak, Money does not mean much, to a tape user or a Deck collector . It would be cheaper to listen MP3. So,....lets not talk how much a Audi or a Dragon are. Selling Cars, Monkeys or Dragons has nothing to do with listening analogue. Hundreds of Dragons get sold every month , Easy to find on Ebay and Co. It is nice when a Nakamichi 600 gets his new belts from Willi Herman, but that does not mean that Deck will work any longer than others. Nak talkers are the specialists on tapes and Naks. If a member offers something on nak talk it should be real special and rare. That would be a Original box for a Dragon or a ZXL, spare parts,tools, heads, and so on. With offers like that he would help the community. I hope that will be a Ebay auction, and International. regards Gerhard From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 23:23:09 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 23:23:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing azimuth motor belt In-Reply-To: <9EDC2DD7478A4783A4DF4BF90964000A@MichaelPC> References: <9EDC2DD7478A4783A4DF4BF90964000A@MichaelPC> Message-ID: You should hold the plastic shaft with one side from pliers when you push the C clip with the other side of the same small pliers. Make it slow and strait. If You don´t anderstand my bad english I can send you a Foto. It is better and good to take care, but a broken Plastic shaft can be replaced by a small screw and a washer. Gerhard Am 08.01.2013 um 19:40 schrieb Michael Cole: > Hello, > > I’m in the process of replacing the belts on the mechanism of a 700 > ZXE and I’ve hit a snag with replacing the azimuth belt. I can’t > remove the axle containing the pulley as it’s attached via the > nylon roller on the axle to the adjustment arm. The adjustment arm > is pivoted on a plastic shaft and is retained by a circlip (C > clip). This circlip is proving difficult to remove and I’m afraid > of snapping the shaft off in attempting to remove the circlip. Is > it necessary to remove the circlip and lift off the adjustment arm > in order to lift out the axle to replace the belt, or is there > another approach? > > Thanks, > > Mike > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 00:23:19 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 00:23:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth plastic shaft Message-ID: Hello again. Michael You can put a little oil on this plastic shaft. You push the C-clip on both sides on the end of C, on the open side of C. The other side of the 4 to 8 mm pliers holds against the plastic shaft. use the pliers slow and straight to the C-clip. Or you can use a C-clip Tool , that is a pliers that works in a opposite way. That piers open up if you push that pliers together. With that Tool you open up the C-clip until you can move it more easy. If you don´t use that tool every small C-Clip, like the C-Clip from the Idler wheel should be moved that way. For not pushing a thin metal shaft like on the Idler. Gerhard From icmllc at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 02:23:53 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:23:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Selling on Nak Talk In-Reply-To: <4902F51F-A2BF-4EDB-99AB-14B4FDC8B524@gmail.com> References: <4902F51F-A2BF-4EDB-99AB-14B4FDC8B524@gmail.com> Message-ID: <28E20D48-A9F2-4F5A-80DF-023ED51474E8@gmail.com> Herr Gerhard, You sing the song of all passionate collectors, be it a Monet or the Titanic or a Nakamichi or BBC Rogers LS3 5A. The only thing I disagree is money. Money has many facets. But without it one cannot continue on pure passion, no matter how strong it is. I dont usually comment because I am waiting to get my ZX. The Kevin Stunt really upset me. Regards. Ashvin On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > Selling on Nak Tak, > > Money does not mean much, > to a tape user or a Deck collector . > > It would be cheaper to listen MP3. > > So,....lets not talk how much a Audi or a Dragon are. > > Selling Cars, Monkeys or Dragons has nothing to do with listening analogue. > > Hundreds of Dragons get sold every month , Easy to find on Ebay and Co. > > > It is nice when a Nakamichi 600 gets his new belts from Willi Herman, > but that does not mean that Deck will work any longer than others. > > Nak talkers are the specialists on tapes and Naks. > > If a member offers something on nak talk it should be real special and rare. > That would be a Original box for a Dragon or a ZXL, spare parts,tools, > heads, and so on. > > With offers like that he would help the community. > I hope that will be a Ebay auction, and International. > > regards > > Gerhard > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From richgarrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 02:29:45 2013 From: richgarrad at gmail.com (Richard Garrad) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:29:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CD player repair Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get a CDP2A repaired? I have a feeling the repair is minor, but cannot be sure, Thanks for any input, Rich. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 14:11:55 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:11:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?q?Wegbeschreibung_/_Schl=FCssel_in_den_Li?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ft=2E?= Message-ID: Wien 7 Kirchengasse 41, Hotel Altstadt. Ich fahre um 9h wieder weg, deshalb kann dein Auto falls kein Parkplatz zu finden ist auch genau vor der Türe halten. Besser parallel zur Strasse im Halteverbot. Der Weg; Beim Hoteleingang hinein, gerade aus, bei der Treppe mit roten Teppich links, scharf vorbei. Graue Stahltüre zum Asphaltierten Hof, diesen nach Rechts bis zu einem weiteren Stiegenhaus aus Metall. Unter diesem Stiegenhaus ist links im Eck ein alter Lift, diesen Öffnen und ins dunkle treten. Dabei springt dass Licht ( mein Einbau ) an, Unter der Liftlampe befindet Sich ein Magnet und Ein Kuvert für Deinen Schlüssel. Dort hineingeben, fertig, .......... gute Reise für Dich. Lieben Gruß Gerhard, Viele Models ( auch Falco )haben diesen Weg, allerdings mit Zetteln gefunden, falls es Dir zu Mühsam ist,darfst Du auch an der Rezeption hinterlegen, dass macht Porsche auch immer. G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Thu Jan 10 21:36:58 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (N. Wijnen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:36:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 back tension assy's In-Reply-To: <76e08c46163223.50ef2630@ziggo.nl> References: <7710c52c161289.50ef24c7@ziggo.nl> <76f0fb9216346a.50ef257b@ziggo.nl> <7720fb3316496b.50ef25b7@ziggo.nl> <75f0b9d81676e3.50ef25f4@ziggo.nl> <76e08c46163223.50ef2630@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <7720c2f4167405.50ef347a@ziggo.nl> Hi all, On both Reel hubs from the RX505 classic mechanism there are back tension springs and back tension assy's. Normaly this only was used on the left reel hub. Is this a usefull modification from Nakamichi? Also for earlier models? Best regards, Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 15:13:34 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:13:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 back tension assy's In-Reply-To: <7720c2f4167405.50ef347a@ziggo.nl> References: <7710c52c161289.50ef24c7@ziggo.nl> <76f0fb9216346a.50ef257b@ziggo.nl> <7720fb3316496b.50ef25b7@ziggo.nl> <75f0b9d81676e3.50ef25f4@ziggo.nl> <76e08c46163223.50ef2630@ziggo.nl> <7720c2f4167405.50ef347a@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <1357913614.40257.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The RX505 is a reversing deck, so back tension is still used on the supply hub only, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: N. Wijnen >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:36 PM >Subject: [naktalk] RX505 back tension assy's > > > Hi all, >  >  >On both Reel hubs from the RX505 classic mechanism  there are back tension springs and  back tension assy's. 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Wrong audience ;-) > > English, please? > > > From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Fri Jan 11 17:49:41 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:49:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 back tension assy's In-Reply-To: <1357913614.40257.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7710c52c161289.50ef24c7@ziggo.nl> <76f0fb9216346a.50ef257b@ziggo.nl> <7720fb3316496b.50ef25b7@ziggo.nl> <75f0b9d81676e3.50ef25f4@ziggo.nl> <76e08c46163223.50ef2630@ziggo.nl> <7720c2f4167405.50ef347a@ziggo.nl> <1357913614.40257.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54B045D2-460F-4D08-AE79-7AFE288EB760@ziggo.nl> Hi Ron, I have here a new Rx505 classic transport . Nakamichi made the color of the transport black because it was used for displaying inside the store. Both the supply hubs have a back tension unit mounted. You can see that also in the service manual. I wonder if this is a improvement of the latest classic transports? Best Regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 11 jan. 2013 om 15:13 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > The RX505 is a reversing deck, so back tension is still used on the supply hub only, > > -- Ron > > > From: N. Wijnen > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] RX505 back tension assy's > > Hi all, > > > On both Reel hubs from the RX505 classic mechanism there are back tension springs and back tension assy's. Normaly this only was used on the left reel hub. > Is this a usefull modification from Nakamichi? Also for earlier models? > > Best regards, > > Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] Wegbeschreibung / Schlüssel in den Lift. Wien 7 Kirchengasse 41, Hotel Altstadt. Ich fahre um 9h wieder weg, deshalb kann dein Auto falls kein Parkplatz zu finden ist auch genau vor der Türe halten.Besser parallel zur Strasse im Halteverbot. Der Weg; Beim Hoteleingang hinein, gerade aus, bei der Treppe mit roten Teppich links, scharf vorbei. Graue Stahltüre zum Asphaltierten Hof, diesen nach Rechts bis zu einem weiteren Stiegenhaus aus Metall. Unter diesem Stiegenhaus ist links im Eck ein alter Lift, diesen Öffnen und ins dunkle treten. Dabei springt dass Licht ( mein Einbau ) an, Unter der Liftlampe befindet Sich ein Magnet und Ein Kuvert für Deinen Schlüssel. Dort hineingeben, fertig, .......... gute Reise für Dich. 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I've never known why - just make sure I keep them in place. Anybody know why? Willy On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Ziggo wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I have here a new Rx505 classic transport . Nakamichi made the color of > the transport black because it was used for displaying inside the store. > Both the supply hubs have a back tension unit mounted. You can see that > also in the service manual. I wonder if this is a improvement of the latest > classic transports? > > Best Regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 11 jan. 2013 om 15:13 heeft Ron het volgende > geschreven: > > > The RX505 is a reversing deck, so back tension is still used on the supply > hub only, > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* N. Wijnen > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:36 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] RX505 back tension assy's > > Hi all, > > > On both Reel hubs from the RX505 classic mechanism there are back tension > springs and back tension assy's. Normaly this only was used on the left > reel hub. > Is this a usefull modification from Nakamichi? Also for earlier models? > > Best regards, > > Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(not that it > is a message worth knowing for most of us, I think..) > > grüße > Pieter from... germany > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:14:28 -0800 > From: ronami at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wegbeschreibung / Schlüssel in den Lift. > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > English, please? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Sat Jan 12 13:07:48 2013 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Francis Giddings) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:07:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wegbeschreibung / =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCssel_in_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?den_Lift=2E?= In-Reply-To: <2cfc822a8b2f31e716e9c66254ba14c0.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <1357913668.39930.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2cfc822a8b2f31e716e9c66254ba14c0.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <50F15214.3050507@windstream.net> On 1/11/2013 10:52 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > A case of 'oops'.. > Wrong audience ;-) > >> English, please? >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Something about a key being left in an elevator. From my four years in Germany. Probably not exactly correct, but that is the idea. D From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 13:49:09 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:49:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 back tension assys Message-ID: <0wm2wxyl5ffaory7u7ngx617.1357994949074@email.android.com> Are you all talking about thr reel hub clutch springs? All the later decks have springs on both sides, the early classic mechs do not on the take up side, I assumed because the tape counter 2 belt assembly provided considerable tension on the supply reel to avoid spillage. When they went to the simpler single belt counter, the take up clutch spring was added. Dragon, zx-9, lx-5 etc are all the same clutch assbly on both sides. Of course, the 303/505 has no counter belt, so there is no tension on the take up except the clutch spring on them. But the clutch spring is not back tension, that is just the mechanism that allows some slip during end of tape to prevent tape damage fron FF & REW. On all the 505s and 303s I've done, there is still only one back tension brake on the supply side only, just like every other deck that has one after the 680zx. Picture please of what you refer to? Perhaps the working model is different than production units? I've never seen a model in person. Sent from my NOOK From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 13:56:32 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:56:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Back tension assembley Message-ID: Btw, I have added the back tension arm, spring, bushing etc to the supply side against the reel hub to early 680/660zx with very good results to lower W&F. Since the early decks were not designed for the added clutch spring, I've never tried adding one. Also have replaced the early all plastic flexi idler arm with the later metal ones for better tire/motor hub contact. Sent from my NOOK From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Sun Jan 13 12:16:32 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:16:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 back tension assys In-Reply-To: <0wm2wxyl5ffaory7u7ngx617.1357994949074@email.android.com> References: <0wm2wxyl5ffaory7u7ngx617.1357994949074@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi Perry, https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xa223kmwrzaly4/DSCF1896.JPG Here you can see that the RX505 two back tension units. But maybe you have given the right answer anyway because of the missing counter belt they have to do it this way. It sounds plausible for me. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 12 jan. 2013 om 13:49 heeft "Perry.nak" het volgende geschreven: > Are you all talking about thr reel hub clutch springs? All the later decks have springs on both sides, the early classic mechs do not on the take up side, I assumed because the tape counter 2 belt assembly provided considerable tension on the supply reel to avoid spillage. When they went to the simpler single belt counter, the take up clutch spring was added. Dragon, zx-9, lx-5 etc are all the same clutch assbly on both sides. Of course, the 303/505 has no counter belt, so there is no tension on the take up except the clutch spring on them. But the clutch spring is not back tension, that is just the mechanism that allows some slip during end of tape to prevent tape damage fron FF & REW. On all the 505s and 303s I've done, there is still only one back tension brake on the supply side only, just like every other deck that has one after the 680zx. Picture please of what you refer to? Perhaps the working model is different than production units? I've never seen a model in perso! > n. > > > > > Sent from my NOOK > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 16:47:09 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rx-505 back tension Message-ID: <48885883-1358092034-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1338817070-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Actually Norman, I am just speculating. I don't know for sure. For instance the ZX-7 only has one spring and drag clutch , and it only has one counter belt, so maybe it took Nak a while to realize the benefit of both. I added one on my own ZX-7 and it made no measurable difference to w&f. Can't hurt to add it if you have an extra set lying around and are in there anyway! And you are correct, the drag clutch does indeed provide some back tension, but a very very small amount. I think it was to reduce spillage or reduce the amount loose tape pretension at insertion. I notice that all the older decks with one drag clutch tend to spin the tape more at insertion than the newer classic mechs. This was certainly worth pointing out. I know when I did my ZX-7 years ago, I was sure I had lost the other clutch somehow! Perry Esposito - From my phone From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Jan 14 10:56:14 2013 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:56:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] replacement belt In-Reply-To: <201301131116.r0DB7xoG023244@zxe.naks.com> References: <201301131116.r0DB7xoG023244@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <50F3D63E.4050605@compuserve.com> Hi, The belt that moves the laser pickup in my OMS-7ii CD player needs to be replaced. Does anyone know a good second source? Part number is OC 80793A. Thanks, _Fuad From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 23:18:40 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:18:40 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] replacement belt In-Reply-To: <50F3D63E.4050605@compuserve.com> Message-ID: Have you checked Marrs Communications webiste? Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of compudude Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] replacement belt Hi, The belt that moves the laser pickup in my OMS-7ii CD player needs to be replaced. Does anyone know a good second source? Part number is OC 80793A. Thanks, _Fuad ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From girolamous at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 15:54:38 2013 From: girolamous at yahoo.com (j. helffrich) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:54:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TA-2 receiver problem In-Reply-To: <201301151116.r0FB81RZ032161@zxe.naks.com> References: <201301151116.r0FB81RZ032161@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1358261678.88790.YahooMailNeo@web140805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi All,   I have a problem with input switching on this TA-2 receiver where no inputs connect, no lights come on when a button is selected.  Power amp is fine, and remote works (controls volume up and down). I've got it open and verified the supply voltages are good--any known weak components here to look for? Thanks--this is a great group!   Jerry Helffrich ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Wed Jan 16 07:28:44 2013 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:28:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: replacement belt In-Reply-To: <201301151116.r0FB81RZ032161@zxe.naks.com> References: <201301151116.r0FB81RZ032161@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <50F6489C.7070209@compuserve.com> Hi Cheryl, Thanks, I just checked the website. It is listed there for $25, which is a little too much for a not so critical belt. I used a rubber band that I found in the kitchen and it works fine as a temporary fix:) Anyway, I will eventually order one. _Fuad > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:18:40 -1000 > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] replacement belt > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Have you checked Marrs Communications webiste? > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of compudude > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] replacement belt > > Hi, > > The belt that moves the laser pickup in my OMS-7ii CD player needs to be > replaced. Does anyone know a good second source? > Part number is OC 80793A. > > From hifihospital at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 03:49:26 2013 From: hifihospital at gmail.com (Douglas Guth) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] .Vol 119, Issue 15 TA-2 receiver problem (j. helffrich) Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Check Q525 (2SA733) on the Logic PCB. I have also seen the two analog switches, U204 (LC7818) and U203 (LC7816) on the Main PCB fail. The switches seem to be the Sacrificial Lambs when there is a lightning surge since they connect to the outside world. Good Luck! Doug Guth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Jan 17 20:37:42 2013 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:37:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrade. References: <0wm2wxyl5ffaory7u7ngx617.1357994949074@email.android.com> Message-ID: Dear Nak lovers. First of all, I have no interest in following information. I just want to inform you about this gentleman in Germany who sells belts and pinchrollers for Nakamichi. I have recently bought one of his kit for my CR-7. The belts in the kit was of no interest to me. I stick to Fred´s superbelts. But the pinchrollers, perfect size and flat rubber surface and bronze bearings! I have always wondered why Nakamichi didn´t installed better pinchrollers in the Sankyo mechanism. The plastic bearings have big play and wears out much faster than those made in bronze. I installed them tonight and the result was outstanding. The rollers turns nice and smoothly with no excessive play side ways. I doubt it will make any difference regaring sound quality, but the lifetime have been extended a lot. If you want to have a clooser look just follow the link below. Pelle. http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nakamichi-CR-4-CR-5-CR-7-Studio-Kit-Pinch-Roller-Belts-Idler-Tire-new-/300834618179?pt=DE_TV_Video_Audio_Kassettenspieler_Teile&hash=item460b23fb43 From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Fri Jan 18 10:38:45 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:38:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_linkage_holder: Another way ? Message-ID: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> Dear NakTalkers, I recently received a 480Z to repare. Well, everything was "congested"; all the rubber parts had to be changed including the tire and I also changed the two rollers which were defenitely glazed. Also, as expected, the eject linkage holder was broken. I tried to perform the OOS-SI-3115 modification but found that to be efficient, the edge of the sub Chassis Ass'y was somehow a little bit bent. So, I decided to build a S-shaped bridle. Take a look at the attached picture and please, comment. (As you will see on picture N°3? I was not very good on the size of the vertical part of the S, so had to intercalate an extra washer...) This mod seems to be efficient and does not rely on the pressure applied to the plate of the sub-chassis but simply uses one of the screws from the pneumatic dumper. bernard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Modif_480Z_Eject.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 84040 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Fri Jan 18 13:04:17 2013 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Francis Giddings) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:04:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_linkage_holder: Another way ? In-Reply-To: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <50F93A41.2050707@windstream.net> On 1/18/2013 4:38 AM, bb wrote: > Dear NakTalkers, > > I recently received a 480Z to repare. > Well, everything was "congested"; all the rubber parts had to be > changed including the tire and I also changed the two rollers which > were defenitely glazed. > > Also, as expected, the eject linkage holder was broken. I tried to > perform the OOS-SI-3115 modification but found that to be efficient, > the edge of the sub Chassis Ass'y was somehow a little bit bent. > > So, I decided to build a S-shaped bridle. Take a look at the attached > picture and please, comment. (As you will see on picture N°3? I was > not very good on the size of the vertical part of the S, so had to > intercalate an extra washer...) > > This mod seems to be efficient and does not rely on the pressure > applied to the plate of the sub-chassis but simply uses one of the > screws from the pneumatic dumper. > > bernard > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Looks like a good fix. Thats what we call a field fix in the copier industry! The important thing is that it works, now for the test of time and whether the repair will hold up. Nice fix FG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Jan 18 18:25:45 2013 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:25:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_linkage_holder: Another way? References: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <75BBC72D8F13480BAD93504D1DE4B42C@superdator> Very nice fix! Pelle. From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Jan 18 18:26:01 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:26:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_linkage_holder: Another way ? In-Reply-To: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Nice job! Using the upper plinth for pressure was always a compromise but a quick fix. As long as you have to split the transport anyway this seems a better mod for the stirrup issue. Willy On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:38 AM, bb wrote: > Dear NakTalkers, > > I recently received a 480Z to repare. > Well, everything was "congested"; all the rubber parts had to be changed > including the tire and I also changed the two rollers which were defenitely > glazed. > > Also, as expected, the eject linkage holder was broken. I tried to perform > the OOS-SI-3115 modification but found that to be efficient, the edge of > the sub Chassis Ass'y was somehow a little bit bent. > > So, I decided to build a S-shaped bridle. Take a look at the attached > picture and please, comment. (As you will see on picture N°3? I was not > very good on the size of the vertical part of the S, so had to intercalate > an extra washer...) > > This mod seems to be efficient and does not rely on the pressure applied > to the plate of the sub-chassis but simply uses one of the screws from the > pneumatic dumper. > > bernard > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 18 19:36:32 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:36:32 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_linkage_holder: Another way? In-Reply-To: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: I like it -- a lot! If the edge of the sub-chassis bent when you tried to do the Nakamichi proposed modification, then you likely tightened the screw too tight on the cable -- thus causing deformation to the sub-chassis. With the Nakamichi proposed fix, there is a fine line between tight enough to secure the end of the cable and not so tight that it deforms the sub-chassis. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:39 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_linkage_holder: Another way? Dear NakTalkers, I recently received a 480Z to repare. Well, everything was "congested"; all the rubber parts had to be changed including the tire and I also changed the two rollers which were defenitely glazed. Also, as expected, the eject linkage holder was broken. I tried to perform the OOS-SI-3115 modification but found that to be efficient, the edge of the sub Chassis Ass'y was somehow a little bit bent. So, I decided to build a S-shaped bridle. Take a look at the attached picture and please, comment. (As you will see on picture N°3? I was not very good on the size of the vertical part of the S, so had to intercalate an extra washer...) This mod seems to be efficient and does not rely on the pressure applied to the plate of the sub-chassis but simply uses one of the screws from the pneumatic dumper. bernard From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Fri Jan 18 22:54:22 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:54:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! Message-ID: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi again, The 480Z is assembled again, everything is ok except that it does not play and the auto-stop does not work although it rewinds and fast-foward perfectly and strongly and the auto-stop reel turns during winding modes and the auto-stop bulb is shinning. what dis I miss? Also, on the bottom of the deck, I have a sticker saying "Pilot Lamp soldered in plate to prevent electric shock". I have an idea about the electric shok but what is that "pilot lamp"? Thanks Bernard From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 18 23:52:15 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:52:15 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Did you take the transport apart? Was it playing prior to working on it? Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:54 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! Hi again, The 480Z is assembled again, everything is ok except that it does not play and the auto-stop does not work although it rewinds and fast-foward perfectly and strongly and the auto-stop reel turns during winding modes and the auto-stop bulb is shinning. what dis I miss? Also, on the bottom of the deck, I have a sticker saying "Pilot Lamp soldered in plate to prevent electric shock". I have an idea about the electric shok but what is that "pilot lamp"? Thanks Bernard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Sat Jan 19 00:12:39 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 00:12:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Hi Bernard, When splitting the classic transport it is important to look for the mounting of the potentiometer. If the mounting is wrong the potentionmeter don't move together with the command wheel. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 18 jan. 2013 om 22:54 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > Hi again, > > The 480Z is assembled again, everything is ok except that it does not play and the auto-stop does not work although it rewinds and fast-foward perfectly and strongly and the auto-stop reel turns during winding modes and the auto-stop bulb is shinning. > > what dis I miss? > > Also, on the bottom of the deck, I have a sticker saying "Pilot Lamp soldered in plate to prevent electric shock". I have an idea about the electric shok but what is that "pilot lamp"? > > Thanks > > Bernard > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sat Jan 19 09:11:40 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:11:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FA553C.5030708@univ-rennes1.fr> Yes, I took the transport apart, change all the rubbers including both rollers, cleaned the all dust and grease, relubed it. The symptoms were the same when I received it but I assumed that it was du to a poor tire before to open it. No, I checked it carefully. The two strange observations are: - The reel motor does not spin during play (although it does play !! hence it eats tape as the two capstan are pulling the tape out) - The auto-stop does not function although the bulb shines and the auto-stop reel turns. Hence, as described above it does not stop playing although the reel motor does not turn and it does not stop winding (or rewinding) at the end of the tape. I think there are two different faults: 1. the auto-stop does not work 2. the reel motor is not "asked" to spin for play (but is, and does for winding modes) For the play function, may be someone has moved the two VR at the back of the transport ?... bernard Le 18/01/2013 23:52, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > Did you take the transport apart? > Was it playing prior to working on it? > Aloha, > Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of bb > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:54 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > > Hi again, > > The 480Z is assembled again, everything is ok except that it does not play > and the auto-stop does not work although it rewinds and fast-foward > perfectly and strongly and the auto-stop reel turns during winding modes and > the auto-stop bulb is shinning. > > what dis I miss? > > Also, on the bottom of the deck, I have a sticker saying "Pilot Lamp > soldered in plate to prevent electric shock". I have an idea about the > electric shok but what is that "pilot lamp"? > > Thanks > > Bernard > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sat Jan 19 09:22:08 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:22:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: References: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <50FA57B0.7070503@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Norman, I checked it and the fork is properly engaged. When I push the play button, the capstan motor starts but no the reel motor. bernard Le 19/01/2013 00:12, Ziggo a écrit : > Hi Bernard, > > When splitting the classic transport it is important to look for the mounting of the potentiometer. > If the mounting is wrong the potentionmeter don't move together with the command wheel. > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 18 jan. 2013 om 22:54 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi again, >> >> The 480Z is assembled again, everything is ok except that it does not play and the auto-stop does not work although it rewinds and fast-foward perfectly and strongly and the auto-stop reel turns during winding modes and the auto-stop bulb is shinning. >> >> what dis I miss? >> >> Also, on the bottom of the deck, I have a sticker saying "Pilot Lamp soldered in plate to prevent electric shock". I have an idea about the electric shok but what is that "pilot lamp"? >> >> Thanks >> >> Bernard >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 10:20:45 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:20:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <50FA553C.5030708@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50FA553C.5030708@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <57D33910-132D-4CCD-90AB-01D70B2598FD@gmail.com> Hi Bernard. You can take a 480, and compare the voltage at each mute on the Logic PCB, I thing it is main PCB on the 480. Follow the voltage on the switching transistors, and have a look in your 480Z. If you don´t have a working 480, I can send you one. regards Gerhard Am 19.01.2013 um 09:11 schrieb bb: > Yes, I took the transport apart, change all the rubbers including > both rollers, cleaned the all dust and grease, relubed it. > > The symptoms were the same when I received it but I assumed that it > was du to a poor tire before to open it. > > No, I checked it carefully. The two strange observations are: > > - The reel motor does not spin during play (although it does > play !! hence it eats tape as the two capstan are pulling the tape > out) > - The auto-stop does not function although the bulb shines and the > auto-stop reel turns. Hence, as described above it does not stop > playing although the reel motor does not turn and it does not stop > winding (or rewinding) at the end of the tape. > > I think there are two different faults: > 1. the auto-stop does not work > 2. the reel motor is not "asked" to spin for play (but is, and does > for winding modes) > > For the play function, may be someone has moved the two VR at the > back of the transport ?... > > bernard > > Le 18/01/2013 23:52, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : >> Did you take the transport apart? >> Was it playing prior to working on it? >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >> On Behalf >> Of bb >> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:54 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! >> >> Hi again, >> >> The 480Z is assembled again, everything is ok except that it does >> not play >> and the auto-stop does not work although it rewinds and fast-foward >> perfectly and strongly and the auto-stop reel turns during winding >> modes and >> the auto-stop bulb is shinning. >> >> what dis I miss? >> >> Also, on the bottom of the deck, I have a sticker saying "Pilot Lamp >> soldered in plate to prevent electric shock". I have an idea about >> the >> electric shok but what is that "pilot lamp"? >> >> Thanks >> >> Bernard >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain >> your account >> here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Sat Jan 19 11:07:42 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:07:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <50FA57B0.7070503@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> <50FA57B0.7070503@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <444D88E5-D9E0-448F-BB43-B999CD5BC904@ziggo.nl> Hi Bernard, When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage of the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 19 jan. 2013 om 09:22 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > Hi Norman, > > I checked it and the fork is properly engaged. > When I push the play button, the capstan motor starts but no the reel motor. > > bernard > > Le 19/01/2013 00:12, Ziggo a écrit : >> Hi Bernard, >> >> When splitting the classic transport it is important to look for the mounting of the potentiometer. >> If the mounting is wrong the potentionmeter don't move together with the command wheel. >> >> Best regards >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 18 jan. 2013 om 22:54 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hi again, >>> >>> The 480Z is assembled again, everything is ok except that it does not play and the auto-stop does not work although it rewinds and fast-foward perfectly and strongly and the auto-stop reel turns during winding modes and the auto-stop bulb is shinning. >>> >>> what dis I miss? >>> >>> Also, on the bottom of the deck, I have a sticker saying "Pilot Lamp soldered in plate to prevent electric shock". I have an idea about the electric shok but what is that "pilot lamp"? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Bernard >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 19 03:58:11 2013 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (Dave) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 21:58:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_linkage_holder: Another way ? In-Reply-To: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50F91825.1070408@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <1C667D19-477D-4829-B542-444239B8476D@bellsouth.net> I like the mod and it seems very sturdy, good job. >From David On Jan 18, 2013, at 4:38, bb wrote: > Dear NakTalkers, > > I recently received a 480Z to repare. > Well, everything was "congested"; all the rubber parts had to be changed including the tire and I also changed the two rollers which were defenitely glazed. > > Also, as expected, the eject linkage holder was broken. I tried to perform the OOS-SI-3115 modification but found that to be efficient, the edge of the sub Chassis Ass'y was somehow a little bit bent. > > So, I decided to build a S-shaped bridle. Take a look at the attached picture and please, comment. (As you will see on picture N°3? I was not very good on the size of the vertical part of the S, so had to intercalate an extra washer...) > > This mod seems to be efficient and does not rely on the pressure applied to the plate of the sub-chassis but simply uses one of the screws from the pneumatic dumper. > > bernard > From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sat Jan 19 22:02:35 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:02:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <444D88E5-D9E0-448F-BB43-B999CD5BC904@ziggo.nl> References: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> <50FA57B0.7070503@univ-rennes1.fr> <444D88E5-D9E0-448F-BB43-B999CD5BC904@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <50FB09EB.1030303@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Norman Yes, it turns. Clearly, the reel motor is not powered in play position. I think that one transistors of the motor governor is out. Best regards, Bernard Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : > Hi Bernard, > > When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? > If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage of the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. > > Best regards, > > Norman > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 19 jan. 2013 om 09:22 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi Norman, >> >> I checked it and the fork is properly engaged. >> When I push the play button, the capstan motor starts but no the reel motor. >> >> bernard >> >> Le 19/01/2013 00:12, Ziggo a écrit : >>> Hi Bernard, >>> >>> When splitting the classic transport it is important to look for the mounting of the potentiometer. >>> If the mounting is wrong the potentionmeter don't move together with the command wheel. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >>> >>> Op 18 jan. 2013 om 22:54 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> Hi again, >>>> >>>> The 480Z is assembled again, everything is ok except that it does not play and the auto-stop does not work although it rewinds and fast-foward perfectly and strongly and the auto-stop reel turns during winding modes and the auto-stop bulb is shinning. >>>> >>>> what dis I miss? >>>> >>>> Also, on the bottom of the deck, I have a sticker saying "Pilot Lamp soldered in plate to prevent electric shock". I have an idea about the electric shok but what is that "pilot lamp"? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Bernard >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sun Jan 20 12:54:10 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:54:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <444D88E5-D9E0-448F-BB43-B999CD5BC904@ziggo.nl> References: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> <50FA57B0.7070503@univ-rennes1.fr> <444D88E5-D9E0-448F-BB43-B999CD5BC904@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <50FBDAE2.3040508@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Norman, I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because the Z series has the extra Logic PCB). All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check points in small rectangles. How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? bernard Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : > Hi Bernard, > > When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? > If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage of the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. > > Best regards, > > Norman > From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Sun Jan 20 14:36:44 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:36:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <50FBDAE2.3040508@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> <50FA57B0.7070503@univ-rennes1.fr> <444D88E5-D9E0-448F-BB43-B999CD5BC904@ziggo.nl> <50FBDAE2.3040508@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <4DB5DE25-299B-42A5-ABC0-9C4707545DBA@ziggo.nl> Hi Bernard, In the service manual of the 480 you can read all about the shut off circuit and all the other circuits. I don't have the manual for the Z version here but i would measuring the transistors (q412 for example) and others described on page 17 of the n480 manual. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 20 jan. 2013 om 12:54 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > Hi Norman, > > I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because the Z series has the extra Logic PCB). > All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check points in small rectangles. > > How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? > > bernard > > Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : >> Hi Bernard, >> >> When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? >> If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage of the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sun Jan 20 18:40:58 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:40:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <4DB5DE25-299B-42A5-ABC0-9C4707545DBA@ziggo.nl> References: <50F9C48E.3050205@univ-rennes1.fr> <50FA57B0.7070503@univ-rennes1.fr> <444D88E5-D9E0-448F-BB43-B999CD5BC904@ziggo.nl> <50FBDAE2.3040508@univ-rennes1.fr> <4DB5DE25-299B-42A5-ABC0-9C4707545DBA@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <50FC2C2A.7000409@univ-rennes1.fr> I have just observed the following: With the deck switched off, if I push the play button and then I swith the deck on (Unattended Playback), then it engages the play mode and it is functional! that is, the cam rotates counter-clockwise (from the front of the deck) and the reel motor (as well as the capstan motor) turns as it should but... After 2 secondes, the cam rotates back (clockwise) just a little bit (may be one or two degrees) and the reel motor stops turning while the capstan motor keeps turning. It means that the cam, when PLAY is pushed whith the deck on, does not rotate as far as it does when the deck is powered on with the PLAY key locked down. Does anyone know what could be the explanation of such a (strange) behavior? Bernard Le 20/01/2013 14:36, Ziggo a écrit : > Hi Bernard,apstan keeps turning. > In the service manual of the 480 you can read all about the shut off circuit and all the other circuits. I don't have the manual for the Z version here but i would measuring the transistors (q412 for example) and others described on page 17 of the n480 manual. > > Best regards, > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 20 jan. 2013 om 12:54 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi Norman, >> >> I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because the Z series has the extra Logic PCB). >> All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check points in small rectangles. >> >> How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? >> >> bernard >> >> Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : >>> Hi Bernard, >>> >>> When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? >>> If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage of the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Norman >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 21:51:08 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:51:08 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <50FC2C2A.7000409@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: The cam is marked to reflect where the pointer should appear for each function (play, rec, etc). I had this same problem on the 582 that I resurected from the dead. It would play for a few seconds and then stop. Aligning the cam via the variable resistors worked. There are variable resistors that you can adjust that will affect the alignment of the pointer for the various functions. But be aware that if you adjust play it will also affect the other functions and they will likely need to be adjusted too. I found that teeny, tiny adjustments to the VR's worked best. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! I have just observed the following: With the deck switched off, if I push the play button and then I swith the deck on (Unattended Playback), then it engages the play mode and it is functional! that is, the cam rotates counter-clockwise (from the front of the deck) and the reel motor (as well as the capstan motor) turns as it should but... After 2 secondes, the cam rotates back (clockwise) just a little bit (may be one or two degrees) and the reel motor stops turning while the capstan motor keeps turning. It means that the cam, when PLAY is pushed whith the deck on, does not rotate as far as it does when the deck is powered on with the PLAY key locked down. Does anyone know what could be the explanation of such a (strange) behavior? Bernard Le 20/01/2013 14:36, Ziggo a écrit : > Hi Bernard,apstan keeps turning. > In the service manual of the 480 you can read all about the shut off circuit and all the other circuits. I don't have the manual for the Z version here but i would measuring the transistors (q412 for example) and others described on page 17 of the n480 manual. > > Best regards, > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 20 jan. 2013 om 12:54 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi Norman, >> >> I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because the Z series has the extra Logic PCB). >> All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check points in small rectangles. >> >> How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? >> >> bernard >> >> Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : >>> Hi Bernard, >>> >>> When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? >>> If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage of the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Norman >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Mon Jan 21 11:57:09 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:57:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FD1F05.90800@univ-rennes1.fr> Cheryl, Yes, I think it is a problem of cam position because as the reel motor is able to run for at least 2 seconds, it means that the reel motor governor as well as the auto-stop work. How can you see the Labels (R, S, F, CU,PS PY) of the cam once the transport reassembled ? I suppose you have to look at a precise place and from a specific angle of view ? thanks bernard Le 20/01/2013 21:51, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > The cam is marked to reflect where the pointer should appear for each > function (play, rec, etc). I had this same problem on the 582 that I > resurected from the dead. It would play for a few seconds and then stop. > Aligning the cam via the variable resistors worked. > > There are variable resistors that you can adjust that will affect the > alignment of the pointer for the various functions. But be aware that if you > adjust play it will also affect the other functions and they will likely > need to be adjusted too. I found that teeny, tiny adjustments to the VR's > worked best. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of bb > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:41 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > > I have just observed the following: > > With the deck switched off, if I push the play button and then I swith the > deck on (Unattended Playback), then it engages the play mode and it is > functional! that is, the cam rotates counter-clockwise (from the front of > the deck) and the reel motor (as well as the capstan motor) turns as it > should but... > > After 2 secondes, the cam rotates back (clockwise) just a little bit (may be > one or two degrees) and the reel motor stops turning while the capstan motor > keeps turning. > > It means that the cam, when PLAY is pushed whith the deck on, does not > rotate as far as it does when the deck is powered on with the PLAY key > locked down. > > Does anyone know what could be the explanation of such a (strange) behavior? > > Bernard > > Le 20/01/2013 14:36, Ziggo a écrit : >> Hi Bernard,apstan keeps turning. >> In the service manual of the 480 you can read all about the shut off > circuit and all the other circuits. I don't have the manual for the Z > version here but i would measuring the transistors (q412 for example) and > others described on page 17 of the n480 manual. >> Best regards, >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 20 jan. 2013 om 12:54 heeft bb het > volgende geschreven: >>> Hi Norman, >>> >>> I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because the Z > series has the extra Logic PCB). >>> All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check points > in small rectangles. >>> How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? >>> >>> bernard >>> >>> Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : >>>> Hi Bernard, >>>> >>>> When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? >>>> If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage of > the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 18:19:42 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:19:42 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <50FD1F05.90800@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Hi Bernard, You can put little marks on the front side of the cam as to alignment and function. You can also put a mark between the teeth. Then you can see the marks more easily from the front. It is still somewhat awkward, but it is doable. You can actually do it without putting marks on the cam but you need to be a contortionist. Just remember to do teeny, tiny adjustments since adjusting one function will affect the others. It's a real tweaking process. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! Cheryl, Yes, I think it is a problem of cam position because as the reel motor is able to run for at least 2 seconds, it means that the reel motor governor as well as the auto-stop work. How can you see the Labels (R, S, F, CU,PS PY) of the cam once the transport reassembled ? I suppose you have to look at a precise place and from a specific angle of view ? thanks bernard Le 20/01/2013 21:51, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > The cam is marked to reflect where the pointer should appear for each > function (play, rec, etc). I had this same problem on the 582 that I > resurected from the dead. It would play for a few seconds and then stop. > Aligning the cam via the variable resistors worked. > > There are variable resistors that you can adjust that will affect the > alignment of the pointer for the various functions. But be aware that > if you adjust play it will also affect the other functions and they > will likely need to be adjusted too. I found that teeny, tiny > adjustments to the VR's worked best. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of bb > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:41 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > > I have just observed the following: > > With the deck switched off, if I push the play button and then I swith > the deck on (Unattended Playback), then it engages the play mode and > it is functional! that is, the cam rotates counter-clockwise (from the > front of the deck) and the reel motor (as well as the capstan motor) > turns as it should but... > > After 2 secondes, the cam rotates back (clockwise) just a little bit > (may be one or two degrees) and the reel motor stops turning while the > capstan motor keeps turning. > > It means that the cam, when PLAY is pushed whith the deck on, does not > rotate as far as it does when the deck is powered on with the PLAY key > locked down. > > Does anyone know what could be the explanation of such a (strange) behavior? > > Bernard > > Le 20/01/2013 14:36, Ziggo a écrit : >> Hi Bernard,apstan keeps turning. >> In the service manual of the 480 you can read all about the shut off > circuit and all the other circuits. I don't have the manual for the Z > version here but i would measuring the transistors (q412 for example) > and others described on page 17 of the n480 manual. >> Best regards, >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 20 jan. 2013 om 12:54 heeft bb >> het > volgende geschreven: >>> Hi Norman, >>> >>> I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because >>> the Z > series has the extra Logic PCB). >>> All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check >>> points > in small rectangles. >>> How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? >>> >>> bernard >>> >>> Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : >>>> Hi Bernard, >>>> >>>> When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? >>>> If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage >>>> of > the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=== >>> = >>> ===== >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> = >> ==== >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 19:30:00 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:30:00 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry gang, I forgot to cut off all the excess messages at the bottom. Bernard, another thing you might do is put marks on each VR to mark their original positions just in case you get it all so far off that you decide to start over. The other reason is that from my experience, it didn't take much change on each VR to effect fairly major changes in alignment -- so it helps to have a map to your starting position. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 7:20 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! Hi Bernard, You can put little marks on the front side of the cam as to alignment and function. You can also put a mark between the teeth. Then you can see the marks more easily from the front. It is still somewhat awkward, but it is doable. You can actually do it without putting marks on the cam but you need to be a contortionist. Just remember to do teeny, tiny adjustments since adjusting one function will affect the others. It's a real tweaking process. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! Cheryl, Yes, I think it is a problem of cam position because as the reel motor is able to run for at least 2 seconds, it means that the reel motor governor as well as the auto-stop work. How can you see the Labels (R, S, F, CU,PS PY) of the cam once the transport reassembled ? I suppose you have to look at a precise place and from a specific angle of view ? thanks bernard From gazele.didier at laposte.net Mon Jan 21 19:29:03 2013 From: gazele.didier at laposte.net (gazele.didier) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:29:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <50FD1F05.90800@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50FD1F05.90800@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <000d01cdf805$30e6a800$92b3f800$@laposte.net> Hello, I'm french, the light bulb doesn’t work. If the light bulb work, it's just the photo transistor PH104 in default DIdier -----Message d'origine----- De : naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] De la part de bb Envoyé : lundi 21 janvier 2013 11:57 À : Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Objet : Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! Cheryl, Yes, I think it is a problem of cam position because as the reel motor is able to run for at least 2 seconds, it means that the reel motor governor as well as the auto-stop work. How can you see the Labels (R, S, F, CU,PS PY) of the cam once the transport reassembled ? I suppose you have to look at a precise place and from a specific angle of view ? thanks bernard Le 20/01/2013 21:51, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > The cam is marked to reflect where the pointer should appear for each > function (play, rec, etc). I had this same problem on the 582 that I > resurected from the dead. It would play for a few seconds and then stop. > Aligning the cam via the variable resistors worked. > > There are variable resistors that you can adjust that will affect the > alignment of the pointer for the various functions. But be aware that > if you adjust play it will also affect the other functions and they > will likely need to be adjusted too. I found that teeny, tiny > adjustments to the VR's worked best. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of bb > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:41 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > > I have just observed the following: > > With the deck switched off, if I push the play button and then I swith > the deck on (Unattended Playback), then it engages the play mode and > it is functional! that is, the cam rotates counter-clockwise (from the > front of the deck) and the reel motor (as well as the capstan motor) > turns as it should but... > > After 2 secondes, the cam rotates back (clockwise) just a little bit > (may be one or two degrees) and the reel motor stops turning while the > capstan motor keeps turning. > > It means that the cam, when PLAY is pushed whith the deck on, does not > rotate as far as it does when the deck is powered on with the PLAY key > locked down. > > Does anyone know what could be the explanation of such a (strange) behavior? > > Bernard > > Le 20/01/2013 14:36, Ziggo a écrit : >> Hi Bernard,apstan keeps turning. >> In the service manual of the 480 you can read all about the shut off > circuit and all the other circuits. I don't have the manual for the Z > version here but i would measuring the transistors (q412 for example) > and others described on page 17 of the n480 manual. >> Best regards, >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 20 jan. 2013 om 12:54 heeft bb >> het > volgende geschreven: >>> Hi Norman, >>> >>> I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because >>> the Z > series has the extra Logic PCB). >>> All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check >>> points > in small rectangles. >>> How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? >>> >>> bernard >>> >>> Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : >>>> Hi Bernard, >>>> >>>> When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? >>>> If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage >>>> of > the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=== >>> = >>> ===== >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> = >> ==== >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Mon Jan 21 21:47:42 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:47:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <000d01cdf805$30e6a800$92b3f800$@laposte.net> References: <50FD1F05.90800@univ-rennes1.fr> <000d01cdf805$30e6a800$92b3f800$@laposte.net> Message-ID: <50FDA96E.30007@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Didier Nice to meet another french Naktalker! Yes, it does. The auto-stop bulb shines and I do not think the auto-stop sensor is at fault as, when I switch on the deck with the PLAY locked in, the reel motor and hence the take-up reel does turn for 2 to 3 seconds before to stop turning due to the ligth back motion of the cam (which does not go back to STOP). If the auto-stop was off, it would stop almost instantaneously. Do you have a source of phototransistor PH104? but it could be the SC945 as well... Bernard Le 21/01/2013 19:29, gazele.didier a écrit : > Hello, > I'm french, > the light bulb doesn’t work. > If the light bulb work, it's just the photo transistor PH104 in default > > DIdier > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] De la part > de bb > Envoyé : lundi 21 janvier 2013 11:57 > À : Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Objet : Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > > Cheryl, > > Yes, I think it is a problem of cam position because as the reel motor is > able to run for at least 2 seconds, it means that the reel motor governor as > well as the auto-stop work. > > How can you see the Labels (R, S, F, CU,PS PY) of the cam once the transport > reassembled ? > I suppose you have to look at a precise place and from a specific angle of > view ? > > thanks > bernard > > Le 20/01/2013 21:51, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : >> The cam is marked to reflect where the pointer should appear for each >> function (play, rec, etc). I had this same problem on the 582 that I >> resurected from the dead. It would play for a few seconds and then stop. >> Aligning the cam via the variable resistors worked. >> >> There are variable resistors that you can adjust that will affect the >> alignment of the pointer for the various functions. But be aware that >> if you adjust play it will also affect the other functions and they >> will likely need to be adjusted too. I found that teeny, tiny >> adjustments to the VR's worked best. >> >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of bb >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:41 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! >> >> I have just observed the following: >> >> With the deck switched off, if I push the play button and then I swith >> the deck on (Unattended Playback), then it engages the play mode and >> it is functional! that is, the cam rotates counter-clockwise (from the >> front of the deck) and the reel motor (as well as the capstan motor) >> turns as it should but... >> >> After 2 secondes, the cam rotates back (clockwise) just a little bit >> (may be one or two degrees) and the reel motor stops turning while the >> capstan motor keeps turning. >> >> It means that the cam, when PLAY is pushed whith the deck on, does not >> rotate as far as it does when the deck is powered on with the PLAY key >> locked down. >> >> Does anyone know what could be the explanation of such a (strange) > behavior? >> Bernard >> >> Le 20/01/2013 14:36, Ziggo a écrit : >>> Hi Bernard,apstan keeps turning. >>> In the service manual of the 480 you can read all about the shut off >> circuit and all the other circuits. I don't have the manual for the Z >> version here but i would measuring the transistors (q412 for example) >> and others described on page 17 of the n480 manual. >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> >>> >>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >>> >>> Op 20 jan. 2013 om 12:54 heeft bb >>> het >> volgende geschreven: >>>> Hi Norman, >>>> >>>> I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because >>>> the Z >> series has the extra Logic PCB). >>>> All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check >>>> points >> in small rectangles. >>>> How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? >>>> >>>> bernard >>>> >>>> Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : >>>>> Hi Bernard, >>>>> >>>>> When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? >>>>> If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage >>>>> of >> the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Norman >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=== >>>> = >>>> ===== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> = >>> ==== >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account >> here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Mon Jan 21 23:52:15 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:52:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FDC69F.5080409@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Cheryl Thanks for your help. Ok, first thing to do for me will be to split the transport again (at least, I won't to clean again!!!) to relabel the cam on both sides, just to make sure what I do during tweaking the VRs. Actually, the original labels expected to be visible from the front are not anymore, because mostly erased... Cheers Bernard Le 21/01/2013 18:19, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > > Hi Bernard, > > You can put little marks on the front side of the cam as to alignment and > function. You can also put a mark between the teeth. Then you can see the > marks more easily from the front. It is still somewhat awkward, but it is > doable. You can actually do it without putting marks on the cam but you need > to be a contortionist. Just remember to do teeny, tiny adjustments since > adjusting one function will affect the others. It's a real tweaking process. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > From 22op877 at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 11:10:14 2013 From: 22op877 at gmail.com (Tony White) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:10:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] sr 2a/3s/4a manual Message-ID: Does anyone know where the Nakamichi SR-3a receiver manual is available online. I have searched, but I can't find it. I think the 2a/3a/4a manual is the same. My current need is to get the technical spec information on the phono settings. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have done some investigation and it appears it might plug directly into an ATARI 2600. The cable with plugs would plug into the controller socket connectors which are dual 9 pin male connectors ( so this makes sense ). The small card appears to plug into the Atari 2600 Game Socket ( so this also makes sense ). Can anyone confirm this or tell me any more about this unit, it's purpose, and how to use it? I have attached a single picture although more pictures are available upon request. See attached. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The second unit ( Designated NAC 100-E ) looks just like the T-100 Box but is much simpler,  and the Plug in Card  ( it contains a 15 connector dual layer circuit board ) and also carries  the designation NAC 100-E. The unit itself has a cable coming out of the back with dual 9 pin female connectors and the standard set of dual R & L RCA jacks on the side labeled IN, OUT and MONITOR. There is one pot on the front of the unit and a pilot light on top. Although I do not recall the specifics I somehow recall that this was an accessory unit to hook up to a computer or a game console. I have done some investigation and it appears it might plug directly into an ATARI 2600. The cable with plugs would plug into the controller socket connectors which are dual 9 pin male connectors ( so this makes sense ). The small card appears to plug into the Atari 2600 Game Socket ( so this also makes sense ). Can anyone confirm this or tell me any more about this unit, it's purpose, and how to use it? 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In-Reply-To: <50FDA96E.30007@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <50FD1F05.90800@univ-rennes1.fr> <000d01cdf805$30e6a800$92b3f800$@laposte.net> <50FDA96E.30007@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <2146052790.835798.1358950028136.JavaMail.www@wwinf8222> Hello, The expressed symptoms are the same that on my deck that I repaired (682zx). If you ave checked(controlled) the position of the drugs for the reading, the fast advance, the fast return and the recording. and if when the play touch is pushed, the deck works only two seconds, the autoshut off ass'y is defect. If the lamp work, the photo transistor is probably faultly. It is just necessary to change the autoshut off ass'y by an other one and to make a essay. I did not find an equivalent of the phototransistor. I found an old deck and took the autoshut off ass'y Didier > Message du 21/01/13 22:00 > De : "bb" > A : "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > > Hi Didier > > Nice to meet another french Naktalker! > > Yes, it does. The auto-stop bulb shines and I do not think the auto-stop > sensor is at fault as, when I switch on the deck with the PLAY locked > in, the reel motor and hence the take-up reel does turn for 2 to 3 > seconds before to stop turning due to the ligth back motion of the cam > (which does not go back to STOP). > > If the auto-stop was off, it would stop almost instantaneously. > > Do you have a source of phototransistor PH104? but it could be the SC945 > as well... > > Bernard > > Le 21/01/2013 19:29, gazele.didier a écrit : > > Hello, > > I'm french, > > the light bulb doesn’t work. > > If the light bulb work, it's just the photo transistor PH104 in default > > > > DIdier > > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] De la part > > de bb > > Envoyé : lundi 21 janvier 2013 11:57 > > À : Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Objet : Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > > > > Cheryl, > > > > Yes, I think it is a problem of cam position because as the reel motor is > > able to run for at least 2 seconds, it means that the reel motor governor as > > well as the auto-stop work. > > > > How can you see the Labels (R, S, F, CU,PS PY) of the cam once the transport > > reassembled ? > > I suppose you have to look at a precise place and from a specific angle of > > view ? > > > > thanks > > bernard > > > > Le 20/01/2013 21:51, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > >> The cam is marked to reflect where the pointer should appear for each > >> function (play, rec, etc). I had this same problem on the 582 that I > >> resurected from the dead. It would play for a few seconds and then stop. > >> Aligning the cam via the variable resistors worked. > >> > >> There are variable resistors that you can adjust that will affect the > >> alignment of the pointer for the various functions. But be aware that > >> if you adjust play it will also affect the other functions and they > >> will likely need to be adjusted too. I found that teeny, tiny > >> adjustments to the VR's worked best. > >> > >> Aloha, > >> Cheryl > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >> Behalf Of bb > >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:41 AM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > >> > >> I have just observed the following: > >> > >> With the deck switched off, if I push the play button and then I swith > >> the deck on (Unattended Playback), then it engages the play mode and > >> it is functional! that is, the cam rotates counter-clockwise (from the > >> front of the deck) and the reel motor (as well as the capstan motor) > >> turns as it should but... > >> > >> After 2 secondes, the cam rotates back (clockwise) just a little bit > >> (may be one or two degrees) and the reel motor stops turning while the > >> capstan motor keeps turning. > >> > >> It means that the cam, when PLAY is pushed whith the deck on, does not > >> rotate as far as it does when the deck is powered on with the PLAY key > >> locked down. > >> > >> Does anyone know what could be the explanation of such a (strange) > > behavior? > >> Bernard > >> > >> Le 20/01/2013 14:36, Ziggo a écrit : > >>> Hi Bernard,apstan keeps turning. > >>> In the service manual of the 480 you can read all about the shut off > >> circuit and all the other circuits. I don't have the manual for the Z > >> version here but i would measuring the transistors (q412 for example) > >> and others described on page 17 of the n480 manual. > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Norman > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > >>> > >>> Op 20 jan. 2013 om 12:54 heeft bb > >>> het > >> volgende geschreven: > >>>> Hi Norman, > >>>> > >>>> I checked all the voltages that I found on p 54 on 482Z SM (because > >>>> the Z > >> series has the extra Logic PCB). > >>>> All the values (24 and 12V) are OK, including those at the check > >>>> points > >> in small rectangles. > >>>> How can I probe the Auto-stop sensor? > >>>> > >>>> bernard > >>>> > >>>> Le 19/01/2013 11:07, Ziggo a écrit : > >>>>> Hi Bernard, > >>>>> > >>>>> When you turn the deck into play mode does the command wheel turn then? > >>>>> If the command wheel turns then i would start to check the voltage > >>>>> of > >> the supply and the voltages on the reel motor. > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Norman > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >> ==== > >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >> ==== > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >>>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >>>> = > >>>> ===== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> = > >>> ==== > >>> > >>> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account > >> here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >> ==== > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >> ==== > >> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? 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(video) In-Reply-To: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Well, I could be wrong, but it appears that the cam gear on.the left has not completed it's full travel, and it seems to be backing out a bit. Have you lubed the transport gearing with light machine oil? I know it can get quite sticky on.these decks. D On Jan 23, 2013 4:07 PM, "bb" wrote: > Dear all > > Here is a YouTube video of the behavior of my 480Z. (When rotation starts, > I swith the deck on with the PLAY key locked in, when it stops, I do > NOTHING at all) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=izpJtt01tic&feature=youtu.be > > Cheers > bernard > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Jan 24 08:39:25 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:39:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) In-Reply-To: References: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <5100E52D.7080603@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Well, the cam gear is defenitely backing out a little bit: that is why the reel motor stops. The transport has been fully dismantled, cleaned and relubed. bernard Le 23/01/2013 22:24, Daniel Botelho a écrit : > > Well, I could be wrong, but it appears that the cam gear on.the left > has not completed it's full travel, and it seems to be backing out a bit. > > Have you lubed the transport gearing with light machine oil? I know it > can get quite sticky on.these decks. > > D > > On Jan 23, 2013 4:07 PM, "bb" > wrote: > > Dear all > > Here is a YouTube video of the behavior of my 480Z. (When rotation > starts, I swith the deck on with the PLAY key locked in, when it > stops, I do NOTHING at all) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izpJtt01tic&feature=youtu.be > > Cheers > bernard > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Thu Jan 24 10:11:39 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:11:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) In-Reply-To: <5100E52D.7080603@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr> <5100E52D.7080603@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Hi Bernard, Did you also disassemble the cam gear? If so then you must have feel a click from the two plastic Parts which are running inside the command wheel. Look at part 23 from image 9.11 inside the N480 service manual. If this part was not mounted the right way the cam can't move to the end and shut off. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 24 jan. 2013 om 08:39 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > Hi > > Well, the cam gear is defenitely backing out a little bit: that is why the reel motor stops. > The transport has been fully dismantled, cleaned and relubed. > > bernard > > Le 23/01/2013 22:24, Daniel Botelho a écrit : >> Well, I could be wrong, but it appears that the cam gear on.the left has not completed it's full travel, and it seems to be backing out a bit. >> >> Have you lubed the transport gearing with light machine oil? I know it can get quite sticky on.these decks. >> >> D >> >> On Jan 23, 2013 4:07 PM, "bb" wrote: >>> Dear all >>> >>> Here is a YouTube video of the behavior of my 480Z. (When rotation starts, I swith the deck on with the PLAY key locked in, when it stops, I do NOTHING at all) >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izpJtt01tic&feature=youtu.be >>> >>> Cheers >>> bernard >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Jan 24 13:28:19 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:28:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) In-Reply-To: References: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr> <5100E52D.7080603@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <510128E3.7050101@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Norman, Yes, I have dissembled the CAM gear to rewrite properly and clearly the various marks for the different functions (S, PY, PS, R, F, CU) (and I did it on both sides on the CAM as well as on its edge !). However, you are right, when you remove the CAM gear, both levers (parts 18 and 23) dissengage (with a typical click). And you have to put them back properly, inside the groove (or pathway) on the back of the CAM gear. Lever 23 is the one that slides the two-roller assembly so it is quite easy to put back in the groove of the cam gear by acting directly on the roller slide bar itself Incidentally, I know that this deck had already been disassembled up to this point as, at the end of both levers, you find a small teflon roller (that minimize friction during rotation of the CAM gear) maintained on a shaft by an E-clip (one on them was missing, see attached PDF picture), so I built one myself. However, it could function without, as the teflon roller is "encaged" or trapped on its shaft inside the groove of the CAM gear, once the gam reassembled. I know it is difficult to realize by video or talking that the problem does not come from the mechanical impossibility (bad assembling, harden grease, or whatever...) of the CAM to rotate but rather from the fact that the CAM rotation is not properly driven, presumably by the CAM motor governor? Now, please, have a sit, just not to fall backwards! Yesterday night, I removed the auto-shut-off belt(the long one) from the take-up reel, and guess what? The deck works almost normally; YES IT DOES !!! I know it is the world upside-down but it is. I 'll make a video this evening. Now, I am saying that it works "ALMOST" normally because when I hit PLAY, it requires may be two tenths of second for the take-up reel to rotate, after the supply one has begun to do so, due to capstans traction, but it does!! (I will show you that on the video) And, of course, at the end of the tape, it does not stop, neither from PLAY nor WINDING modes! (I mean rotation keeps going and the tire has to slip). So, I am a little bit puzzled : should I conclude that the auto-shut-off assembly is at fault (as it has a clear effect when excluded) ? Bernard Le 24/01/2013 10:11, Ziggo a écrit : > Hi Bernard, > > Did you also disassemble the cam gear? If so then you must have feel > a click from the two plastic > Parts which are running inside the command wheel. > Look at part 23 from image 9.11 inside the N480 service manual. > If this part was not mounted the right way the cam can't move to the > end and shut off. > > Best regards > > Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lever teflon rollers.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 221965 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thu Jan 24 19:11:23 2013 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:11:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) References: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr><5100E52D.7080603@univ-rennes1.fr> <510128E3.7050101@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <001801cdfa5e$38f36f00$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Bernard is it possible you have cam gear position sensor wire on wrong connector ?? Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: bb To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) Hi Norman, Yes, I have dissembled the CAM gear to rewrite properly and clearly the various marks for the different functions (S, PY, PS, R, F, CU) (and I did it on both sides on the CAM as well as on its edge !). However, you are right, when you remove the CAM gear, both levers (parts 18 and 23) dissengage (with a typical click). And you have to put them back properly, inside the groove (or pathway) on the back of the CAM gear. Lever 23 is the one that slides the two-roller assembly so it is quite easy to put back in the groove of the cam gear by acting directly on the roller slide bar itself Incidentally, I know that this deck had already been disassembled up to this point as, at the end of both levers, you find a small teflon roller (that minimize friction during rotation of the CAM gear) maintained on a shaft by an E-clip (one on them was missing, see attached PDF picture), so I built one myself. However, it could function without, as the teflon roller is "encaged" or trapped on its shaft inside the groove of the CAM gear, once the gam reassembled. I know it is difficult to realize by video or talking that the problem does not come from the mechanical impossibility (bad assembling, harden grease, or whatever...) of the CAM to rotate but rather from the fact that the CAM rotation is not properly driven, presumably by the CAM motor governor? Now, please, have a sit, just not to fall backwards! Yesterday night, I removed the auto-shut-off belt(the long one) from the take-up reel, and guess what? The deck works almost normally; YES IT DOES !!! I know it is the world upside-down but it is. I 'll make a video this evening. Now, I am saying that it works "ALMOST" normally because when I hit PLAY, it requires may be two tenths of second for the take-up reel to rotate, after the supply one has begun to do so, due to capstans traction, but it does!! (I will show you that on the video) And, of course, at the end of the tape, it does not stop, neither from PLAY nor WINDING modes! (I mean rotation keeps going and the tire has to slip). So, I am a little bit puzzled : should I conclude that the auto-shut-off assembly is at fault (as it has a clear effect when excluded) ? Bernard Le 24/01/2013 10:11, Ziggo a écrit : Hi Bernard, Did you also disassemble the cam gear? If so then you must have feel a click from the two plastic Parts which are running inside the command wheel. Look at part 23 from image 9.11 inside the N480 service manual. If this part was not mounted the right way the cam can't move to the end and shut off. Best regards Norman ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21000) http://www.pctools.com ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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The start and stop motions are generated by a push on the PLAY and STOP keys, respectively. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnJ2cuiV__A Bernard From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Jan 24 22:28:09 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:28:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) In-Reply-To: <001801cdfa5e$38f36f00$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr><5100E52D.7080603@univ-rennes1.fr> <510128E3.7050101@univ-rennes1.fr> <001801cdfa5e$38f36f00$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <5101A769.8000409@univ-rennes1.fr> Rainer, No, there are only two connectors on the 480Z going from the transport to the logic PCB: one is 12 wires and the other one 3 wires. In addition, there are the two connectors from the heads. You cannot mix them up. Bernard Le 24/01/2013 19:11, Rainer & Joy-Ell a écrit : > Bernard is it possible you have cam gear position sensor wire on wrong > connector ?? > Rainer > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* bb > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:28 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! > (video) > > Hi Norman, > > Yes, I have dissembled the CAM gear to rewrite properly and > clearly the various marks for the different functions (S, PY, PS, > R, F, CU) (and I did it on both sides on the CAM as well as on its > edge !). > However, you are right, when you remove the CAM gear, both levers > (parts 18 and 23) dissengage (with a typical click). And you have > to put them back properly, inside the groove (or pathway) on the > back of the CAM gear. > Lever 23 is the one that slides the two-roller assembly so it is > quite easy to put back in the groove of the cam gear by acting > directly on the roller slide bar itself > > Incidentally, I know that this deck had already been disassembled > up to this point as, at the end of both levers, you find a small > teflon roller (that minimize friction during rotation of the CAM > gear) maintained on a shaft by an E-clip (one on them was missing, > see attached PDF picture), so I built one myself. However, it > could function without, as the teflon roller is "encaged" or > trapped on its shaft inside the groove of the CAM gear, once the > gam reassembled. > > I know it is difficult to realize by video or talking that the > problem does not come from the mechanical impossibility (bad > assembling, harden grease, or whatever...) of the CAM to rotate > but rather from the fact that the CAM rotation is not properly > driven, presumably by the CAM motor governor? > > Now, please, have a sit, just not to fall backwards! > Yesterday night, I removed the auto-shut-off belt(the long one) > from the take-up reel, and guess what? The deck works almost > normally; YES IT DOES !!! I know it is the world upside-down but > it is. I 'll make a video this evening. > > Now, I am saying that it works "ALMOST" normally because when I > hit PLAY, it requires may be two tenths of second for the take-up > reel to rotate, after the supply one has begun to do so, due to > capstans traction, but it does!! (I will show you that on the video) > > And, of course, at the end of the tape, it does not stop, neither > from PLAY nor WINDING modes! (I mean rotation keeps going and the > tire has to slip). > > So, I am a little bit puzzled : should I conclude that the > auto-shut-off assembly is at fault (as it has a clear effect when > excluded) ? > > Bernard > > > > Le 24/01/2013 10:11, Ziggo a écrit : >> Hi Bernard, >> >> Did you also disassemble the cam gear? If so then you must have >> feel a click from the two plastic >> Parts which are running inside the command wheel. >> Look at part 23 from image 9.11 inside the N480 service manual. >> If this part was not mounted the right way the cam can't move to >> the end and shut off. >> >> Best regards >> >> Norman > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21000) > http://www.pctools.com > > ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21000) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21000) > http://www.pctools.com > > ======= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Fri Jan 25 01:52:05 2013 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:52:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) References: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr><5100E52D.7080603@univ-rennes1.fr><510128E3.7050101@univ-rennes1.fr><001801cdfa5e$38f36f00$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <5101A769.8000409@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <004d01cdfa96$32ee9f70$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Try putting jumper wire from chassis ground to plate that cam gear motor is mounted to. ----- Original Message ----- From: bb To: Rainer & Joy-Ell ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) Rainer, No, there are only two connectors on the 480Z going from the transport to the logic PCB: one is 12 wires and the other one 3 wires. In addition, there are the two connectors from the heads. You cannot mix them up. Bernard Le 24/01/2013 19:11, Rainer & Joy-Ell a écrit : Bernard is it possible you have cam gear position sensor wire on wrong connector ?? Rainer ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21000) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com Fri Jan 25 05:42:18 2013 From: Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com (Ben Norquist) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:42:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Message-ID: <06d301cdfab6$5c27da80$14778f80$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Although I've been a registered member of Naktalk for a couple of years now, and have followed many of the discussions (learning a considerable amount in the process), I nonetheless must admit to having little to no knowledge concerning electronics or audio equipment repair. Recently, while playing vinyl through my TA-4A, the sound through my loudspeakers dropped out for a second or two-this hadn't happened to me before, and I thought it was quite odd. Then, the following evening, while again listening to vinyl, the sound through the loudspeakers completely disappeared. I plugged my headphones into the TA-4A but found there was no sound through the headphones either. I then tested the tuner, tape, etc. and all other sources were working as normal. My Questions: 1. My uninformed guess is that something has perhaps gone haywire with the internal phono preamp within the TA-4A. Is this a logical guess? 2. Assuming the preamp is a good guess, is this something a novice should even try to tackle on his own, or is it a given that I should seek the services of a professional? (e.g., are there any simply things I could potentially troubleshoot on my own) 3. If it is not something I should even consider tackling on my own, is buying an external preamp a decent alternative-and, if so, what would I be looking for and what price range might I need to consider to avoid experiencing an appreciable loss in sound quality (i.e., relatively speaking, how good is the TA-4A internal phono preamp)? Any thoughts or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 19:29:57 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:29:57 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <06d301cdfab6$5c27da80$14778f80$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Message-ID: The very first thing to do is to check your cables from the phono to the preamp. Have you tried plugging another device (low-level output only, please) into the phono input? You might try an MP3 player with the volume all the way down (then slowly turn it up to your normal listening level and see if you hear anything). Don't plug in anything that has a high level of output because it might damage the phono preamp due to excessive signal level. If you rule out the TA-4A as the problem, and the interconnects between the turntable and premap are okay, then the turntable is likely the problem. Also, make sure the power cord is plugged in all the way. Somehow I managed the partially unplug my turntable one day and the motor turned and the indicator lights came on but there was no output whatsoever. When I discovered the half-unplugged power cord and plugged it in all the way the output from the turntable was restored. I'm still kind of scratching my head over that one... Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:42 PM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Although I've been a registered member of Naktalk for a couple of years now, and have followed many of the discussions (learning a considerable amount in the process), I nonetheless must admit to having little to no knowledge concerning electronics or audio equipment repair. Recently, while playing vinyl through my TA-4A, the sound through my loudspeakers dropped out for a second or two-this hadn't happened to me before, and I thought it was quite odd. Then, the following evening, while again listening to vinyl, the sound through the loudspeakers completely disappeared. I plugged my headphones into the TA-4A but found there was no sound through the headphones either. I then tested the tuner, tape, etc. and all other sources were working as normal. My Questions: 1. My uninformed guess is that something has perhaps gone haywire with the internal phono preamp within the TA-4A. Is this a logical guess? 2. Assuming the preamp is a good guess, is this something a novice should even try to tackle on his own, or is it a given that I should seek the services of a professional? (e.g., are there any simply things I could potentially troubleshoot on my own) 3. If it is not something I should even consider tackling on my own, is buying an external preamp a decent alternative-and, if so, what would I be looking for and what price range might I need to consider to avoid experiencing an appreciable loss in sound quality (i.e., relatively speaking, how good is the TA-4A internal phono preamp)? Any thoughts or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 19:35:53 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:35:53 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) In-Reply-To: <51004A78.4000402@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Have you reassembled the transport yet with the new cam markings and at least checked the alignment? It's what I would do before heading off in another direction. It only takes a minute to check the alignment once the transport is back in. If the alignment looks good then you are done with that part of the troubleshooting. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the auto-stop will be engaged if the cam does not line up properly for the PLAY function. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) Dear all Here is a YouTube video of the behavior of my 480Z. (When rotation starts, I swith the deck on with the PLAY key locked in, when it stops, I do NOTHING at all) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izpJtt01tic&feature=youtu.be Cheers bernard From andrei_kho at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 20:29:01 2013 From: andrei_kho at hotmail.com (andrei kho) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:29:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <06d301cdfab6$5c27da80$14778f80$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> References: <06d301cdfab6$5c27da80$14778f80$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Message-ID: Hi Ben, In addition to a previous posting, I could recommend to check if the problem is not in your turntable rather than in TA-4A. If you don't have another receiver or amp with the phono section you can connect the turntable to tape input of the TA-4A and hear if it sounds at all or not. The sound will be distorted and weak; don't worry about this, you just need to figure out if it sounds AT ALL. If yes, the problem is in the phono section. If no sound or sound from one channel only, the problem is with the turntable/cartridge or cables that connect it to the TA-4A. One thing to be cautious here is you should not use low-output MC (moving-coil) cartridge in this test since the Nakamichi input might leak some AC current and it can fry the coils of your (expensive) MC cartridge. This is weird but happened with me once in a receiver I fixed; the receiver or amplifier in a good working condition could not do this but you never know. if you have the MM (moving magnet) cartridge this should not be a problem. I have had the TA-4A and remember its phono section. It sounded very good; however, I went ahead and modified it changing a lot of its components. There is nothing obvious in this phono section that is particularly vulnerable. One thing coming to mind is the MM/MC switch which IIRC consists of a relay and the push-button switch at the front panel. If relay go wrong (its contacts oxidized) that might cause a problem. Of course some other components could case trouble but first you need to be sure if the turntable and cables are OK. Andrei From: Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com To: Naktalk at naks.com Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:42:18 -0600 CC: Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Although I’ve been a registered member of Naktalk for a couple of years now, and have followed many of the discussions (learning a considerable amount in the process), I nonetheless must admit to having little to no knowledge concerning electronics or audio equipment repair. Recently, while playing vinyl through my TA-4A, the sound through my loudspeakers dropped out for a second or two—this hadn’t happened to me before, and I thought it was quite odd. Then, the following evening, while again listening to vinyl, the sound through the loudspeakers completely disappeared. I plugged my headphones into the TA-4A but found there was no sound through the headphones either. I then tested the tuner, tape, etc. and all other sources were working as normal. My Questions: 1. My uninformed guess is that something has perhaps gone haywire with the internal phono preamp within the TA-4A. Is this a logical guess?2. Assuming the preamp is a good guess, is this something a novice should even try to tackle on his own, or is it a given that I should seek the services of a professional? (e.g., are there any simply things I could potentially troubleshoot on my own)3. If it is not something I should even consider tackling on my own, is buying an external preamp a decent alternative—and, if so, what would I be looking for and what price range might I need to consider to avoid experiencing an appreciable loss in sound quality (i.e., relatively speaking, how good is the TA-4A internal phono preamp)? Any thoughts or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards,Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 22op877 at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 20:50:49 2013 From: 22op877 at gmail.com (Tony White) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:50:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Message-ID: >> relatively speaking, how good is the TA-4A internal phono preamp Never heard it, but its probably very good. My SR-3A phono preamp is great. The vintage phono preamps in recievers/integrateds tend to be very underrated. In those days, vinyl was king; today vinyl is an afterthought. You may find it impossible to find a reasonable cost outboard phono pre to equal what's in your TA-4A. (Could literally get a used vintage receiever/integrated on craigslist and use its tape out to turn it into a phono pre for your TA-4A.) You have a pretty small chance of fixing the problem on your own, but if its loose wire connection you might. A technician can probably fix it easily; if you know of one or can find one (on yelp) who likes to fix vintage audio for not too much money, that's what I'd do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sat Jan 26 00:01:18 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:01:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51030EBE.9060104@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Cheryl, Yes I have reassembled and checked the alignment. I can well align the STOP, PLAY and F marks (although the PY mark is not very "stable"), but the R and PS marks are out of alignment. I checked again the voltages at the sliping contact of the CAM control volume (VR601) (I had done that at the right beginning without too much attention) : they are OK for STOP (14.78 instead of 15) and FAST (13,44 instead of 13.5) But they are not for PLAY : 8.87 for 7.5 ; PAUSE: 11,57 for 10 ; RECORD : 9.33 for 16. (Please, note that this very last value for RECORD is mentionned only in the SM of the regular 480 but is not in the SM of the 482-Z) I have changed resistors R466 and R464 which were a bit off (particularly R466 was 5,7 K instead of 9.1) The only voltage that is changed is the PLAY one which becomes 8.25V. That's bit for today Thanks Bernard Le 25/01/2013 19:35, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > Have you reassembled the transport yet with the new cam markings and at > least checked the alignment? It's what I would do before heading off in > another direction. It only takes a minute to check the alignment once the > transport is back in. If the alignment looks good then you are done with > that part of the troubleshooting. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I > believe the auto-stop will be engaged if the cam does not line up properly > for the PLAY function. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 16:41:28 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:41:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <06d301cdfab6$5c27da80$14778f80$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> References: <06d301cdfab6$5c27da80$14778f80$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Message-ID: <1359214888.52038.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > My uninformed guess is that something has perhaps gone haywire with the internal phono preamp within the TA-4A.  Is this a logical guess? It's a possibility. To verify, plug the cable from the turntable into another input, select that input and play a record. Turn the volume way up, as the signal at this point is very, very weak. But, if you get complete silence, I would suspect the cable.arm connections and/or cartridge. To clinch the above test, try to feed another signal into the phono input. The simplest way is to reduce volume to zero, remove the phono cable and replace it with a piece of wire (move it about inside the RCA phono jack , so it makes contact with the inner terminal in the RCA jack), then slowly increase volume. Move your hand near the wire -- the hum picked up should be heard in the speakers. If all you get is silence, it's likely the fault is in the TA-4a. The above tests should isolate the fault to either the TA-4a or external equipment. Tell us how you fared and we may be able to suggest further steps. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Ben Norquist >To: Naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:42 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > >Although I’ve been a registered member of Naktalk for a couple of years now, and have followed many of the discussions (learning a considerable amount in the process), I nonetheless must admit to having little to no knowledge concerning electronics or audio equipment repair. >  >Recently, while playing vinyl through my TA-4A, the sound through my loudspeakers dropped out for a second or two—this hadn’t happened to me before, and I  thought it was quite odd.  Then, the following evening, while again listening to vinyl, the sound through the loudspeakers completely disappeared.  I plugged my headphones into the TA-4A but found there was no sound through the headphones either.  I then tested the tuner, tape, etc. and all other  sources were working as normal. >  >My Questions: >  >1.       My uninformed guess is that something has perhaps gone haywire with the internal phono preamp within the TA-4A.  Is this a logical guess? >2.       Assuming the preamp is a good guess, is this something a novice should even try to tackle on his own, or is it a given that I should seek the services of a professional?  (e.g., are there any simply things I could potentially troubleshoot on my own) >3.       If it is not something I should even consider tackling on my own, is buying an external preamp a decent alternative—and, if so, what would I be looking for and what price range might I need to consider to avoid experiencing an appreciable loss in sound quality (i.e., relatively speaking, how good is the TA-4A internal phono preamp)? >  >Any thoughts or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. >  >Best Regards, >Ben >  >  >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I’ve not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated! Best Regards, Ben Logo copy 3-05 Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP President/CEO CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC Office: 218-824-4900 Toll Free: 866-388-4900 Fax: 218-824-4948 ben.norquist at convergentrps.com Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > My uninformed guess is that something has perhaps gone haywire with the internal phono preamp within the TA-4A. Is this a logical guess? It's a possibility. To verify, plug the cable from the turntable into another input, select that input and play a record. Turn the volume way up, as the signal at this point is very, very weak. But, if you get complete silence, I would suspect the cable.arm connections and/or cartridge. To clinch the above test, try to feed another signal into the phono input. The simplest way is to reduce volume to zero, remove the phono cable and replace it with a piece of wire (move it about inside the RCA phono jack , so it makes contact with the inner terminal in the RCA jack), then slowly increase volume. Move your hand near the wire -- the hum picked up should be heard in the speakers. If all you get is silence, it's likely the fault is in the TA-4a. The above tests should isolate the fault to either the TA-4a or external equipment. Tell us how you fared and we may be able to suggest further steps. Good luck, -- Ron _____ From: Ben Norquist To: Naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Although I’ve been a registered member of Naktalk for a couple of years now, and have followed many of the discussions (learning a considerable amount in the process), I nonetheless must admit to having little to no knowledge concerning electronics or audio equipment repair. Recently, while playing vinyl through my TA-4A, the sound through my loudspeakers dropped out for a second or two—this hadn’t happened to me before, and I thought it was quite odd. Then, the following evening, while again listening to vinyl, the sound through the loudspeakers completely disappeared. I plugged my headphones into the TA-4A but found there was no sound through the headphones either. I then tested the tuner, tape, etc. and all other sources were working as normal. My Questions: 1. My uninformed guess is that something has perhaps gone haywire with the internal phono preamp within the TA-4A. Is this a logical guess? 2. Assuming the preamp is a good guess, is this something a novice should even try to tackle on his own, or is it a given that I should seek the services of a professional? (e.g., are there any simply things I could potentially troubleshoot on my own) 3. If it is not something I should even consider tackling on my own, is buying an external preamp a decent alternative—and, if so, what would I be looking for and what price range might I need to consider to avoid experiencing an appreciable loss in sound quality (i.e., relatively speaking, how good is the TA-4A internal phono preamp)? Any thoughts or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Once can now clean the rollers and capstans the usual way. Finally got these cleaned after many months. Thanks for all previous answers to this question. Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 18:46:57 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:46:57 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Message-ID: I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there-so that was a good place to start.) After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp-plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I've not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I'm inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I'm inclined to follow Tony's advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes-which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. Thanks again for the feedback-greatly appreciated! Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 00:43:13 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:43:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: References: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Message-ID: <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cheryl, The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to locate). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Cheryl Kaupp >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > > >I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. >  >Aloha, >Cheryl >  >  > > >________________________________ > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM >To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > >My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions.  (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there—so that was a good place to start.) >  >After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems.  Since I’ve not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A.  After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). >  >Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis.  At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. >  >Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated! >  >Best Regards, >Ben >  >  >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com Tue Jan 29 02:43:33 2013 From: Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com (Ben Norquist) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:43:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other night—I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage? I’m guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work—however, I’m confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. Best Regards, Ben Logo copy 3-05 Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP President/CEO CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC Office: 218-824-4900 Toll Free: 866-388-4900 Fax: 218-824-4948 ben.norquist at convergentrps.com Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Cheryl, The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to locate). -- Ron _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there—so that was a good place to start.) After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I’ve not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated! 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URL: From MichaelAlanMarks at aol.com Tue Jan 29 12:54:59 2013 From: MichaelAlanMarks at aol.com (MIchael Marks) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:54:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> References: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Message-ID: <29D6230C-10B8-4DC1-9880-DC985F5EEB3B@aol.com> You almost certainly have a bad SWITCH. It is dirty. Clean the SWITCH used to change between PHONO and the OTHER OPTIONS. Maybe a contact cleaner spray from RADIOSHACK may do the trick when applied directly to the switch ( from the inside ). This is a common problem and is a no brainer. Michael Marks On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Ben Norquist wrote: > Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the > intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out > completely the other night—I was able to get it to work subsequently > (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type > of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of > usage? I’m guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would > work—however, I’m confident that it would start to cut out before I > was able to listen to even one side of an album. > > Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. > > Best Regards, > Ben > > > Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP > President/CEO > CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC > Office: 218-824-4900 > Toll Free: 866-388-4900 > Fax: 218-824-4948 > ben.norquist at convergentrps.com > > Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com > Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education > and business development solutions for the retirement services > industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any > alternative solution. > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > > Cheryl, > > The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole > chip is blown, that could > take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other > inputs are working, > so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something > blown in the +18V branch > used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete > demise of one the dual > op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several > hairline cracks > developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one > jibes with the > intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks > can be a bear to > locate). > > -- Ron > > > > From: Cheryl Kaupp > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a > repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection > switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH > channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels > failing completely at the same time is a hint. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Ben Norquist > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM > To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and > suggestions. (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem > was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check > things out upstream from there—so that was a good place to start.) > > After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA > connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I > managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp— > plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album > without any problems. Since I’ve not been able to do this with the > TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m inclined to believe that the > problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the > price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m inclined to follow > Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like > the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a > complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my > current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes— > which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had > considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). > > Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in > attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 14:53:26 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:53:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> References: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Message-ID: <1359467606.94246.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It's a clue. Some faults tend to be intermittent, so these should be considered first. For example, SS devices failures tend to be abrupt and final. Passive component faults are often (but not always) intermittent. In this case, we have another clue: both channels concurrently affected. Put the two together, and this suggests to me a power supply problem in the common paths, so this is what I would look at first. Once exonerated, I'd go look elsewhere. My favorite troubleshooting mode signal tracing, so at that point I'd reach for the audio generator and signal tracer. The bottom line here is that this sounds, smells and feels like a job for a professional armed with knowledge, experience, tools and a service manual. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Ben Norquist >To: 'Ron' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:43 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > >Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem).  Although the phono did go out completely the other night—I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that.  Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage?  I’m guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work—however, I’m confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. >  >Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. >  >Best Regards, >Ben >  >Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP >President/CEO >CONVERGENTRETIREMENTPLANSOLUTIONS, LLC >Office:  218-824-4900 >Toll Free:  866-388-4900 >Fax:  218-824-4948 >ben.norquist at convergentrps.com >  >Please visit us atwww.convergentrps.com >Our Mission:  To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono >  > >Cheryl, > >The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could >take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, >so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch >used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual >op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks >developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the >intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to >locate). > >-- Ron >  >  >> >>________________________________ >> >>From:Cheryl Kaupp >>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono >>  >>I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. >>  >>Aloha, >>Cheryl >>  >>  >>  >> >>________________________________ >> >>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist >>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM >>To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono >>My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions.  (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there—so that was a good place to start.) >>  >>After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems.  Since I’ve not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A.  After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). >>  >>Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis.  At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. >>  >>Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated! >>  >>Best Regards, >>Ben >>  >>  >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1353 bytes Desc: not available URL: From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 15:36:53 2013 From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:36:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <29D6230C-10B8-4DC1-9880-DC985F5EEB3B@aol.com> References: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> , <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com>, <29D6230C-10B8-4DC1-9880-DC985F5EEB3B@aol.com> Message-ID: if you are wrong.. :) From: MichaelAlanMarks at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:54:59 -0600 You almost certainly have a bad SWITCH.It is dirty.Clean the SWITCH used to change between PHONO and the OTHER OPTIONS.Maybe a contact cleaner spray from RADIOSHACK may do the trick when applied directly to the switch ( from the inside ).This is a common problem and is a no brainer.Michael Marks On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Ben Norquist wrote:Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other night—I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage? I’m guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work—however, I’m confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. Best Regards,Ben Ben Norquist, CPC, CISPPresident/CEOCONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLCOffice: 218-824-4900Toll Free: 866-388-4900Fax: 218-824-4948ben.norquist at convergentrps.com Please visit us at www.convergentrps.comOur Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution.From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Cheryl, The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to locate). -- Ron From: Cheryl Kaupp To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. Aloha,Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phonoMy thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there—so that was a good place to start.) After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I’ve not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated! 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URL: From michaelalanmarks at aol.com Tue Jan 29 17:29:44 2013 From: michaelalanmarks at aol.com (Michael Marks) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:29:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: References: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> <29D6230C-10B8-4DC1-9880-DC985F5EEB3B@aol.com> Message-ID: <31E9A311-345A-4DCB-8CE7-FB309FFF0218@aol.com> Well I tried. Michael Sent from Michael's new iPhone 4 On Jan 29, 2013, at 8:36 AM, pieter rodgers wrote: > if you are wrong.. > > :) > > From: MichaelAlanMarks at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:54:59 -0600 > > You almost certainly have a bad SWITCH. > It is dirty. > Clean the SWITCH used to change between PHONO and the OTHER OPTIONS. > Maybe a contact cleaner spray from RADIOSHACK may do the trick when applied directly to the switch ( from the inside ). > This is a common problem and is a no brainer. > Michael Marks > > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Ben Norquist wrote: > > Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other night—I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage? I’m guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work—however, I’m confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. > > Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. > > Best Regards, > Ben > > > Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP > President/CEO > CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC > Office: 218-824-4900 > Toll Free: 866-388-4900 > Fax: 218-824-4948 > ben.norquist at convergentrps.com > > Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com > Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > > Cheryl, > > The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could > take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, > so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch > used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual > op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks > developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the > intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to > locate). > > -- Ron > > > > From: Cheryl Kaupp > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM > To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there—so that was a good place to start.) > > After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I’ve not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). > > Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. > > Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated! > > Best Regards, > Ben > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrei_kho at hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 17:46:24 2013 From: andrei_kho at hotmail.com (andrei kho) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:46:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <29D6230C-10B8-4DC1-9880-DC985F5EEB3B@aol.com> References: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com>, , <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com>, <29D6230C-10B8-4DC1-9880-DC985F5EEB3B@aol.com> Message-ID: Agree with Michael Marks. Most likely a bad switch. However, TA-4A's input selector is not a rotary switch. It's electonic, probably an IC, controlled by buttons at the front panel. The rotary switch on TA-4A is OUTPUT selector that should have nothing to do with this problem. Andrei From: MichaelAlanMarks at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:54:59 -0600 You almost certainly have a bad SWITCH. It is dirty. Clean the SWITCH used to change between PHONO and the OTHER OPTIONS. Maybe a contact cleaner spray from RADIOSHACK may do the trick when applied directly to the switch ( from the inside ). This is a common problem and is a no brainer. Michael Marks On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Ben Norquist wrote: Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other night—I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage? I’m guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work—however, I’m confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. Best Regards, Ben Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP President/CEO CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC Office: 218-824-4900 Toll Free: 866-388-4900 Fax: 218-824-4948 ben.norquist at convergentrps.com Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Cheryl, The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to locate). -- Ron From: Cheryl Kaupp To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there—so that was a good place to start.) After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I’ve not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated! 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Jan 29 17:57:48 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:57:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <-9210610128669849087@unknownmsgid> References: <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <-9210610128669849087@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Ben - The TA-4A (and that whole series) run the power supply regulators very hot. They tend to de-solder themselves over a long period of time. If you take off the bottom plate you'll see the darkened sections of the circuit board. If you remove the existing solder from those components and re-solder them you may well solve your problem. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Ben Norquist < Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com> wrote: > Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent > nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other > night—I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) > after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered > by heat, or some other aspect of usage? I’m guessing if I went down to try > it right now, it would work—however, I’m confident that it would start to > cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. **** > > ** ** > > Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify.**** > > ** ** > > Best Regards,**** > > Ben**** > > ** ** > > [image: Logo copy 3-05]**** > > *Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP***** > > President/CEO**** > > CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC**** > > Office: 218-824-4900**** > > Toll Free: 866-388-4900**** > > Fax: 218-824-4948**** > > ben.norquist at convergentrps.com**** > > **** > > *Please visit us at* www.convergentrps.com**** > > *Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and > business development solutions for the retirement services industry that > are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. > ***** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono**** > > ** ** > > > Cheryl, > > The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is > blown, that could > take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs > are working, > so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in > the +18V branch > used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise > of one the dual > op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several > hairline cracks > developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with > the > intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be > a bear to > locate). > > -- Ron**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Cheryl Kaupp > *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono**** > > ** ** > > I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. > I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are > set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would > check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the > same time is a hint.**** > > **** > > Aloha,**** > > Cheryl**** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Ben Norquist > *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM > *To:* 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono**** > > My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. (To > be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the > TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from > there—so that was a good place to start.)**** > > **** > > After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, > etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an > old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old > Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I’ve > not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m > inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. > After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m > inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage > integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or > go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my > current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, > in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered > having a TA-4A for my workshop! J).**** > > **** > > Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt > to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks > like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. > **** > > **** > > Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated!**** > > **** > > Best Regards,**** > > Ben**** > > **** > > **** > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work-however, I'm confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 18:20:05 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:20:05 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Electronic switching is a different ball of wax. My stuff is so old that it only has mechanical switches -- a rotary to select between PHONO, TUNER, AUX, and a separate DPDT switch to select TAPE MONITOR. I had a problem with low volume on one channel. It took a significant amount of time to resolve the problem. The alignment pin has broken off the rotary VOLUME pot and the whole assembly would rotate. What I eventually discovered was that just tightening the switch in what appearred to be the correct position was not enough. On this old unit, it had to be in the exact right position to get a good ground to the face plate. That little broken alignment pin caused several months of hair pulling... Hopefully it is not the PCB... Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Cheryl, The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to locate). -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com Tue Jan 29 18:49:51 2013 From: Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com (Ben Norquist) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:49:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <29D6230C-10B8-4DC1-9880-DC985F5EEB3B@aol.com> References: <088f01cdfd6a$d7c16970$87443c50$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cdfdc2$0d013c80$2703b580$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> <29D6230C-10B8-4DC1-9880-DC985F5EEB3B@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01cdfe49$0a04d910$1e0e8b30$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Thanks Michael, this certainly sounds like it's worth a try. I've got a can of DeOxit-am I correct to presume this would be appropriate? Ben From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of MIchael Marks Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:55 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono You almost certainly have a bad SWITCH. It is dirty. Clean the SWITCH used to change between PHONO and the OTHER OPTIONS. Maybe a contact cleaner spray from RADIOSHACK may do the trick when applied directly to the switch ( from the inside ). This is a common problem and is a no brainer. Michael Marks On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Ben Norquist wrote: Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other night-I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage? I'm guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work-however, I'm confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. Best Regards, Ben Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP President/CEO CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC Office: 218-824-4900 Toll Free: 866-388-4900 Fax: 218-824-4948 ben.norquist at convergentrps.com Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Cheryl, The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to locate). -- Ron _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there-so that was a good place to start.) After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp-plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I've not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I'm inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I'm inclined to follow Tony's advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes-which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. Thanks again for the feedback-greatly appreciated! 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 19:45:04 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:45:04 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: <31E9A311-345A-4DCB-8CE7-FB309FFF0218@aol.com> Message-ID: Nothing wrong with trying. Better to try and be incorrect than to never try. Lots of electronics are full of electronic switches/switching circuits rather than mechanical switches. Next time consider leaving off the "no brainer" part. :-) Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marks Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Well I tried. Michael Sent from Michael's new iPhone 4 On Jan 29, 2013, at 8:36 AM, pieter rodgers wrote: if you are wrong.. :) _____ From: MichaelAlanMarks at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:54:59 -0600 You almost certainly have a bad SWITCH. It is dirty. Clean the SWITCH used to change between PHONO and the OTHER OPTIONS. Maybe a contact cleaner spray from RADIOSHACK may do the trick when applied directly to the switch ( from the inside ). This is a common problem and is a no brainer. Michael Marks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 21:28:44 2013 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (Samuel Crider) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:28:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does it have pre out/main in jacks? Samuel On Jan 28, 2013 12:15 PM, "Cheryl Kaupp" wrote: > ** > I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. > I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are > set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would > check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the > same time is a hint. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ben Norquist > *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM > *To:* 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono > > My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. > (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to > the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from > there—so that was a good place to start.)**** > > ** ** > > After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, > etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an > old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp—plugged the TT into the old > Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I’ve > not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I’m > inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. > After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I’m > inclined to follow Tony’s advice and consider buying another vintage > integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or > go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my > current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes—which, > in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered > having a TA-4A for my workshop! J).**** > > ** ** > > Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt > to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks > like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. > **** > > ** ** > > Thanks again for the feedback—greatly appreciated!**** > > ** ** > > Best Regards,**** > > Ben**** > > ** ** > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com Tue Jan 29 23:30:26 2013 From: Ben.Norquist at convergentrps.com (Ben Norquist) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:30:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono In-Reply-To: References: <1359416593.43360.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <-9210610128669849087@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <009501cdfe70$3c989fc0$b5c9df40$@Norquist@convergentrps.com> Thanks, Willy. This sounds like something I might be able to handle-I'll take a look at the circuit board this weekend to see if I can locate any darkened sections. Logo copy 3-05 Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP President/CEO CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC Office: 218-824-4900 Toll Free: 866-388-4900 Fax: 218-824-4948 ben.norquist at convergentrps.com Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Hi Ben - The TA-4A (and that whole series) run the power supply regulators very hot. They tend to de-solder themselves over a long period of time. If you take off the bottom plate you'll see the darkened sections of the circuit board. If you remove the existing solder from those components and re-solder them you may well solve your problem. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Ben Norquist wrote: Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other night-I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage? I'm guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work-however, I'm confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. Best Regards, Ben Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP President/CEO CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC Office: 218-824-4900 Toll Free: 866-388-4900 Fax: 218-824-4948 ben.norquist at convergentrps.com Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Cheryl, The input switching is electronic, so, you're right -- if a whole chip is blown, that could take down both phono channels simultaneously. However, all other inputs are working, so I would but this at a lower probability than, say, something blown in the +18V branch used for the phono stage circuit. Another possibility is complete demise of one the dual op-amps (that use one section per channel). I have also seen several hairline cracks developing in the same PCB area, all at the same time (this one jibes with the intermittent way the fault started (hope not, these hairline cracks can be a bear to locate). -- Ron _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono I don't remember all of the responses so pardon me if this is a repeat. I'm not familiar with the TA-4A and how the input selection switch(es) are set up, but if you get NO output whatsoever from BOTH channels I would check the input selector switch. Both channels failing completely at the same time is a hint. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19 AM To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono My thanks to all of you for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. (To be honest, I had immediately assumed the problem was somehow tied to the TA-4A, and had not taken the time to check things out upstream from there-so that was a good place to start.) After checking all the connections (power cord, TT-to-Nak RCA connections, etc.) and confirming they were all in good order, I managed to dig out an old Kenwood receiver with a phono preamp-plugged the TT into the old Kenwood and listened to an entire album without any problems. Since I've not been able to do this with the TA-4A in my last four attempts, I'm inclined to believe that the problem does indeed reside within the TA-4A. After looking at the price of a used, high quality, phone preamp, I'm inclined to follow Tony's advice and consider buying another vintage integrated like the TA-4A to use specifically for the phono preamp (that or go for a complete replacement for my primary listening room and allocate my current TA-4A to another room where it can be used for tuner/tapes-which, in fact, is a rather enticing thought as I never really had considered having a TA-4A for my workshop! J). Time permitting, I will try the other tests suggested as well in attempt to further confirm my working hypothesis. At this point, however, it looks like the TA-4A may be getting redeployed at some point in the near future. Thanks again for the feedback-greatly appreciated! 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Ben Logo copy 3-05 Ben Norquist, CPC, CISP President/CEO CONVERGENT RETIREMENT PLAN SOLUTIONS, LLC Office: 218-824-4900 Toll Free: 866-388-4900 Fax: 218-824-4948 ben.norquist at convergentrps.com Please visit us at www.convergentrps.com Our Mission: To develop and deploy tailored compliance, education and business development solutions for the retirement services industry that are more integrated, efficient and effective than any alternative solution. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:00 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Ben, Did you double check the connections from the cartridge to the wiring in the tonearm? Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other night-I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage? I'm guessing if I went down to try it right now, it would work-however, I'm confident that it would start to cut out before I was able to listen to even one side of an album. Not sure that this helps, but I thought I should clarify. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No hum?-we can assume phono section has an issue. Remove top cover and locate MC/MM relay (RY101) in phono section. With problem still there (no sound in phono), tap top of relay with the handle end of a small screwdriver. Sound come back intermittently? Crackling?-If so relay is most likely problem. If possible, disassemble clean and burnish contacts of relay.(depending on relay, this may not be possible) Sound still out?-Check 18 volt B+, B- at connecter CN-4 or at pins 4 and 8 of ICU102. If one of the voltages is missing, you're in luck as this would be easy to trouble shoot further. Unfortunately, it's highly unlikely because this power supply goes to the rest of the receiver that is working. If the voltage is there, you will now need a schematic and test equipment to further trouble shoot, as one of the previous posters mentioned. I would suggest it is worth repairing, as the phono section is far better designed than a receiver or the average preamp. Hope this helps you out- S. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:00 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Ben, Did you double check the connections from the cartridge to the wiring in the tonearm? Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Ron'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Actually, I wanted to ask all of you about that (i.e., the intermittent nature of the problem). Although the phono did go out completely the other night-I was able to get it to work subsequently (with intermittent cutout) after that. Is there a particular type of problem that would be triggered by heat, or some other aspect of usage? 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Since all of your other inputs seem to work okay, even when hot, I would look at the phono circuits and the switching circuits. Good luck. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Norquist Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:35 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Trouble with TA-4A phono Cheryl, I'll certainly take a look at the cartridge wiring just in case. However, based on the fact that the problem seems to go away when I swap out the TA-4A with the Kenwood, at this point I'm inclined to believe the problem is definitely with the TA-4A. Thanks for the suggestion. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed Jan 30 19:34:41 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:34:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <51030EBE.9060104@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <51030EBE.9060104@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <510967C1.1060706@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi everyone, Just keep searching... I went back to check the shut-off sensor. Everything seems ok to me. I will try to investigate the auto-shut-off circuit. I have also noted that when the memory button is pushed on, although it should trigger the shut-off passing through 000, it does not. I found back in the Archives an answer from Willy to someone with a somehow similar problem in a 682ZX. In the latter, it was difficult to rotate by hand the CAM gear if the deck was on. Willy had adviced to look for a short between E and C of Q424 and 425 (from memory). In my case, it is even worse: not only It is difficult to rotate the CAM gear by hand if the deck is on: I mean you clearly feel a resistance but if you go further (let's say more than 3 to 5 ° in rotation, it induces the slow rotation of the control motor!!) Willy, do you think it could be the same problem with Q427/Q428 and Q429/Q430 ? Also, Where can I find original (?) or replacement diodes for the 1SS53 ? bernard From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Thu Jan 31 11:13:13 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:13:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <510967C1.1060706@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <51030EBE.9060104@univ-rennes1.fr> <510967C1.1060706@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <00879AD4-CA74-45D9-8CC0-C4A566B2E53C@ziggo.nl> Hi Bernard, Is it possible that there is a problem with the wiring of the control motor ? Positive and negative wiring? Did you check the potentiometer of the camgear? Maybe use some deoxit to be sure this part works ok. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 30 jan. 2013 om 19:34 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > Hi everyone, > > Just keep searching... > I went back to check the shut-off sensor. Everything seems ok to me. > > I will try to investigate the auto-shut-off circuit. > I have also noted that when the memory button is pushed on, although it should trigger the shut-off passing through 000, it does not. > > I found back in the Archives an answer from Willy to someone with a somehow similar problem in a 682ZX. In the latter, it was difficult to rotate by hand the CAM gear if the deck was on. Willy had adviced to look for a short between E and C of Q424 and 425 (from memory). > > In my case, it is even worse: not only It is difficult to rotate the CAM gear by hand if the deck is on: I mean you clearly feel a resistance but if you go further (let's say more than 3 to 5 ° in rotation, it induces the slow rotation of the control motor!!) > > Willy, do you think it could be the same problem with Q427/Q428 and Q429/Q430 ? > > > Also, Where can I find original (?) or replacement diodes for the 1SS53 ? > > bernard > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Jan 31 17:17:46 2013 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:17:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! References: <51030EBE.9060104@univ-rennes1.fr> <510967C1.1060706@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Hi Bernard. I recently bought 1SS53 from Littlediode in the UK. He has both a webshop and a Ebay store. Pelle. From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 20:27:36 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:27:36 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) In-Reply-To: <51030EBE.9060104@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: I suspect (but am not certain because I've never tested this or looked at the cirucit diagram) that if you adjust the VR's for the cam position control, as the resistance changes the voltage will also change. It *seems* like that would be the purpose of the VR's. Remember ohm's law... Although this may not be your root problem, the voltages are out of whack. I wish someone more knowledgeable about this would speak up as I'm in the middle of a home remodel and don't really have time to dig out the schematics for the 480z. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:01 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! (video) Hi Cheryl, Yes I have reassembled and checked the alignment. I can well align the STOP, PLAY and F marks (although the PY mark is not very "stable"), but the R and PS marks are out of alignment. I checked again the voltages at the sliping contact of the CAM control volume (VR601) (I had done that at the right beginning without too much attention) : they are OK for STOP (14.78 instead of 15) and FAST (13,44 instead of 13.5) But they are not for PLAY : 8.87 for 7.5 ; PAUSE: 11,57 for 10 ; RECORD : 9.33 for 16. (Please, note that this very last value for RECORD is mentionned only in the SM of the regular 480 but is not in the SM of the 482-Z) I have changed resistors R466 and R464 which were a bit off (particularly R466 was 5,7 K instead of 9.1) The only voltage that is changed is the PLAY one which becomes 8.25V. That's bit for today Thanks Bernard Le 25/01/2013 19:35, Cheryl Kaupp a écrit : > Have you reassembled the transport yet with the new cam markings and > at least checked the alignment? It's what I would do before heading > off in another direction. It only takes a minute to check the > alignment once the transport is back in. If the alignment looks good > then you are done with that part of the troubleshooting. Someone > correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the auto-stop will be engaged > if the cam does not line up properly for the PLAY function. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Jan 31 21:52:05 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:52:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z assembled again but not...playing! In-Reply-To: <510967C1.1060706@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <51030EBE.9060104@univ-rennes1.fr> <510967C1.1060706@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <510AD975.6090109@univ-rennes1.fr> Well, sorry to answer to myself! Here is the message that puts me back to search. It was coming from Russell Storey to David, who was not able to rotate the CAM with power on, on his 682-ZX: "2.With no power see if you can rotate cam wheel freely by hand to make heads and both pinch rollers engage fully into the play mode 3.If yes , you have an electronic problem on mech - logic board control motor control drive circuit" I think I finally found the "monster" (may be he is not alone). Referring to 482Z SM, I found after desoldering it, the attached measurments on Q413 (2SB564) (I never got the "OL" indication I got for the good ones). It is in the Control Motor Governor, isn't it? Does somebody know a common replacement for that PNP transistor? Any advice welcomed. Thanks Bernard Le 30/01/2013 19:34, bb a écrit : > Hi everyone, > > Just keep searching... > I went back to check the shut-off sensor. Everything seems ok to me. > > I will try to investigate the auto-shut-off circuit. > I have also noted that when the memory button is pushed on, although > it should trigger the shut-off passing through 000, it does not. > > I found back in the Archives an answer from Willy to someone with a > somehow similar problem in a 682ZX. In the latter, it was difficult to > rotate by hand the CAM gear if the deck was on. Willy had adviced to > look for a short between E and C of Q424 and 425 (from memory). > > In my case, it is even worse: not only It is difficult to rotate the > CAM gear by hand if the deck is on: I mean you clearly feel a > resistance but if you go further (let's say more than 3 to 5 ° in > rotation, it induces the slow rotation of the control motor!!) > > Willy, do you think it could be the same problem with Q427/Q428 and > Q429/Q430 ? > > > Also, Where can I find original (?) or replacement diodes for the 1SS53 ? > > bernard > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Norman From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 3 02:19:50 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:19:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motors nakamichi sankyo In-Reply-To: <0EFBF3D5-215B-4070-9852-6922D4978F1A@ziggo.nl> References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A02674@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> <1372425845.38316.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0EFBF3D5-215B-4070-9852-6922D4978F1A@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <3FDB7E20-F578-4C54-AC78-56CD7C5FCD37@yahoo.com> Hi Norman, I think we went some distance on getting a replacement part but that ended. I do agree that we need new replacement motors. Even motors without dead spots (yet) have rather worn commutators and do no sound right as new motors. I ran some tests on an azimuth motor of a CR7 two weeks ago and the newer motor turned on at a much lower voltage then a working from a deck. We know its a Mabuchi and preferably keep the same specs. What are our options? Lets get this moving forward! Regards, Bala Sent from my iPhone On 03/07/2013, at 7:09 AM, Ziggo wrote: > Hi all, > > We have discused the problem with the dead spots in the reel motor from sankyo transport a lot of times. I want to ask again if someone has a solution for this motor problems , i mean , are there new motors for sale , what type and brand? > I do complete overhaul jobs for many nakamichi's here in the Netherlands but because of these motor problems the work soon comes to an end. > Taking a motor out of another deck is no solution, that motor could have the same problem. > Anyone? > > Best regards, > > Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Wed Jul 3 07:27:00 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 07:27:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motors nakamichi sankyo In-Reply-To: <3FDB7E20-F578-4C54-AC78-56CD7C5FCD37@yahoo.com> References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A02674@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> <1372425845.38316.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0EFBF3D5-215B-4070-9852-6922D4978F1A@ziggo.nl> <3FDB7E20-F578-4C54-AC78-56CD7C5FCD37@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29BDCA79-ADC6-4960-91C4-BCF9FE8074E2@ziggo.nl> Hi Bala and all offcourse, I am also working on a CR7 with a worn out reel motor. The case is that in the last three month i have problems with four reel motors in several decks so there is a serious problem as far as i can see. Nakamichi use motors with long shaft and that makes the job extra difficult. I did buy some samples of a small mabuchi motor with long shaft. The procedure i follow is: Take out the old reel motor Take the idler of the shaft for usage on the new motor Open the old motor and take everything out what is inside. Place the new motor inside the old case Take some rubber parts and center the new motor inside the old case Fill the space between the old case and the new motor with hot glue Place the idler and place that new old motor inside the Cr7 It is some work but it can be done. After this procedure we did create a new problem. The motor does not have exacly the same specifications of the old one. That results in the following symptom: If the tape is somewhere in the middle to the end , everything works ok. If we rewind the tape everything turns out ok In play mode everything turns out ok But rewinding the tape to the beginning , use the calibration button, after the calibration the tape has to be rewind to the beginning and that fails. That is a result of dropping voltage on end and beginning of the tape using rewind and ff mode. The old motor has a wider working area i guess. Well that is the problem for now. The good news is we have a alternative, the bad , it do not work out completely the same as the old one. Now we have to consider a electronic modification to get these motor do the job for us. Do we have electronic specialist here in the club? I thought ,maybe we can use the voltage Nakamichi use for driving the motor let drive two mini relais. This relais switch then a constant 5 volt to the reel motors. That -5 and +5 volt we get somewhere from the decks electronics. So i want to ask all : Who has the skills for doing a electronic modification to get the voltage in specs for the new motor. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 3 jul. 2013 om 02:19 heeft Bala Ganesh het volgende geschreven: > Hi Norman, > > I think we went some distance on getting a replacement part but that ended. I do agree that we need new replacement motors. Even motors without dead spots (yet) have rather worn commutators and do no sound right as new motors. I ran some tests on an azimuth motor of a CR7 two weeks ago and the newer motor turned on at a much lower voltage then a working from a deck. > > We know its a Mabuchi and preferably keep the same specs. What are our options? > > Lets get this moving forward! > Regards, > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 03/07/2013, at 7:09 AM, Ziggo wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have discused the problem with the dead spots in the reel motor from sankyo transport a lot of times. I want to ask again if someone has a solution for this motor problems , i mean , are there new motors for sale , what type and brand? >> I do complete overhaul jobs for many nakamichi's here in the Netherlands but because of these motor problems the work soon comes to an end. >> Taking a motor out of another deck is no solution, that motor could have the same problem. >> Anyone? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Norman >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 07:44:11 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 07:44:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motors nakamichi sankyo In-Reply-To: <3FDB7E20-F578-4C54-AC78-56CD7C5FCD37@yahoo.com> References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A02674@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> <1372425845.38316.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0EFBF3D5-215B-4070-9852-6922D4978F1A@ziggo.nl> <3FDB7E20-F578-4C54-AC78-56CD7C5FCD37@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32FF496D-2CFF-4036-8598-54C5D581CDEF@gmail.com> Can anybody send photos and measurements of this Motor ? What voltage is needed.? Do you mean the CR-7 spindle Motor? can this spindle be removed and reinstalled to a new Motor ? I did look in Japan, This is the first Motor I did find, I can remember this spindle Motor. Please look at the photo Sankyo Motors are very common, but in a lot of different Models. I do not use Decks with Sankyo Motors, but I would help to repair them. gerhard/ Vienna -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bild 36.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 58895 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bild 36.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 312378 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Am 03.07.2013 um 02:19 schrieb Bala Ganesh: > Hi Norman, > > I think we went some distance on getting a replacement part but > that ended. I do agree that we need new replacement motors. Even > motors without dead spots (yet) have rather worn commutators and do > no sound right as new motors. I ran some tests on an azimuth motor > of a CR7 two weeks ago and the newer motor turned on at a much > lower voltage then a working from a deck. > > We know its a Mabuchi and preferably keep the same specs. What are > our options? > > Lets get this moving forward! > Regards, > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 03/07/2013, at 7:09 AM, Ziggo wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have discused the problem with the dead spots in the reel motor >> from sankyo transport a lot of times. I want to ask again if >> someone has a solution for this motor problems , i mean , are >> there new motors for sale , what type and brand? >> I do complete overhaul jobs for many nakamichi's here in the >> Netherlands but because of these motor problems the work soon >> comes to an end. >> Taking a motor out of another deck is no solution, that motor >> could have the same problem. >> Anyone? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Norman >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 3 09:12:52 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:12:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motors nakamichi sankyo In-Reply-To: <29BDCA79-ADC6-4960-91C4-BCF9FE8074E2@ziggo.nl> References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A02674@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> <1372425845.38316.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0EFBF3D5-215B-4070-9852-6922D4978F1A@ziggo.nl> <3FDB7E20-F578-4C54-AC78-56CD7C5FCD37@yahoo.com> <29BDCA79-ADC6-4960-91C4-BCF9FE8074E2@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <353FA55D-9F24-4E84-A1EE-1A6B969042BA@yahoo.com> Hi Norman, One of those motors I mentioned has a longer shaft. If we need a modification on the motor drive circuit, that's pretty easy to do. What I hope though is to get a drop in replacement. These Sankyo transports are a pain! Regards Bala Sent from my iPhone On 03/07/2013, at 3:27 PM, Ziggo wrote: > Hi Bala and all offcourse, > > I am also working on a CR7 with a worn out reel motor. The case is that in the last three month i have problems with four reel motors in several decks so there is a serious problem as far as i can see. > Nakamichi use motors with long shaft and that makes the job extra difficult. > I did buy some samples of a small mabuchi motor with long shaft. > The procedure i follow is: > Take out the old reel motor > Take the idler of the shaft for usage on the new motor > Open the old motor and take everything out what is inside. > Place the new motor inside the old case > Take some rubber parts and center the new motor inside the old case > Fill the space between the old case and the new motor with hot glue > Place the idler and place that new old motor inside the Cr7 > > It is some work but it can be done. After this procedure we did create a new problem. > The motor does not have exacly the same specifications of the old one. > That results in the following symptom: > > If the tape is somewhere in the middle to the end , everything works ok. > If we rewind the tape everything turns out ok > In play mode everything turns out ok > But rewinding the tape to the beginning , use the calibration button, after the calibration the tape has to be rewind to the beginning and that fails. > > That is a result of dropping voltage on end and beginning of the tape using rewind and ff mode. > The old motor has a wider working area i guess. > > Well that is the problem for now. The good news is we have a alternative, the bad , it do not work out completely the same as the old one. > Now we have to consider a electronic modification to get these motor do the job for us. > Do we have electronic specialist here in the club? > I thought ,maybe we can use the voltage Nakamichi use for driving the motor let drive two mini relais. This relais switch then a constant 5 volt to the reel motors. That -5 and +5 volt we get somewhere from the decks electronics. > > So i want to ask all : Who has the skills for doing a electronic modification to get the voltage in specs for the new motor. > > Best regards, > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 3 jul. 2013 om 02:19 heeft Bala Ganesh het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi Norman, >> >> I think we went some distance on getting a replacement part but that ended. I do agree that we need new replacement motors. Even motors without dead spots (yet) have rather worn commutators and do no sound right as new motors. I ran some tests on an azimuth motor of a CR7 two weeks ago and the newer motor turned on at a much lower voltage then a working from a deck. >> >> We know its a Mabuchi and preferably keep the same specs. What are our options? >> >> Lets get this moving forward! >> Regards, >> Bala >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 03/07/2013, at 7:09 AM, Ziggo wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We have discused the problem with the dead spots in the reel motor from sankyo transport a lot of times. I want to ask again if someone has a solution for this motor problems , i mean , are there new motors for sale , what type and brand? >>> I do complete overhaul jobs for many nakamichi's here in the Netherlands but because of these motor problems the work soon comes to an end. >>> Taking a motor out of another deck is no solution, that motor could have the same problem. >>> Anyone? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Norman >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Wed Jul 3 12:08:57 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:08:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motors nakamichi sankyo In-Reply-To: <353FA55D-9F24-4E84-A1EE-1A6B969042BA@yahoo.com> References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A02674@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> <1372425845.38316.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0EFBF3D5-215B-4070-9852-6922D4978F1A@ziggo.nl> <3FDB7E20-F578-4C54-AC78-56CD7C5FCD37@yahoo.com> <29BDCA79-ADC6-4960-91C4-BCF9FE8074E2@ziggo.nl> <353FA55D-9F24-4E84-A1EE-1A6B969042BA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala, The motor i try to use is the Mabuchi RF-310T Motor Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 3 jul. 2013 om 09:12 heeft Bala Ganesh het volgende geschreven: > Hi Norman, > > One of those motors I mentioned has a longer shaft. If we need a modification on the motor drive circuit, that's pretty easy to do. > > What I hope though is to get a drop in replacement. These Sankyo transports are a pain! > > Regards > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 03/07/2013, at 3:27 PM, Ziggo wrote: > >> Hi Bala and all offcourse, >> >> I am also working on a CR7 with a worn out reel motor. The case is that in the last three month i have problems with four reel motors in several decks so there is a serious problem as far as i can see. >> Nakamichi use motors with long shaft and that makes the job extra difficult. >> I did buy some samples of a small mabuchi motor with long shaft. >> The procedure i follow is: >> Take out the old reel motor >> Take the idler of the shaft for usage on the new motor >> Open the old motor and take everything out what is inside. >> Place the new motor inside the old case >> Take some rubber parts and center the new motor inside the old case >> Fill the space between the old case and the new motor with hot glue >> Place the idler and place that new old motor inside the Cr7 >> >> It is some work but it can be done. After this procedure we did create a new problem. >> The motor does not have exacly the same specifications of the old one. >> That results in the following symptom: >> >> If the tape is somewhere in the middle to the end , everything works ok. >> If we rewind the tape everything turns out ok >> In play mode everything turns out ok >> But rewinding the tape to the beginning , use the calibration button, after the calibration the tape has to be rewind to the beginning and that fails. >> >> That is a result of dropping voltage on end and beginning of the tape using rewind and ff mode. >> The old motor has a wider working area i guess. >> >> Well that is the problem for now. The good news is we have a alternative, the bad , it do not work out completely the same as the old one. >> Now we have to consider a electronic modification to get these motor do the job for us. >> Do we have electronic specialist here in the club? >> I thought ,maybe we can use the voltage Nakamichi use for driving the motor let drive two mini relais. This relais switch then a constant 5 volt to the reel motors. That -5 and +5 volt we get somewhere from the decks electronics. >> >> So i want to ask all : Who has the skills for doing a electronic modification to get the voltage in specs for the new motor. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 3 jul. 2013 om 02:19 heeft Bala Ganesh het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hi Norman, >>> >>> I think we went some distance on getting a replacement part but that ended. I do agree that we need new replacement motors. Even motors without dead spots (yet) have rather worn commutators and do no sound right as new motors. I ran some tests on an azimuth motor of a CR7 two weeks ago and the newer motor turned on at a much lower voltage then a working from a deck. >>> >>> We know its a Mabuchi and preferably keep the same specs. What are our options? >>> >>> Lets get this moving forward! >>> Regards, >>> Bala >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 03/07/2013, at 7:09 AM, Ziggo wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> We have discused the problem with the dead spots in the reel motor from sankyo transport a lot of times. I want to ask again if someone has a solution for this motor problems , i mean , are there new motors for sale , what type and brand? >>>> I do complete overhaul jobs for many nakamichi's here in the Netherlands but because of these motor problems the work soon comes to an end. >>>> Taking a motor out of another deck is no solution, that motor could have the same problem. >>>> Anyone? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Norman >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If that is the same you can use a bx motor as far as i know. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 3 jul. 2013 om 20:23 heeft John Berger het volgende geschreven: > Which of the reel motors are interchangable on the Sankyo transports? I have a CR-7 with a bad one, and a BX-100, BX-125 and a 480 with good motors. Can either of these be transplanted into the CR-7? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jul 3 23:52:54 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Reel motors nakamichi sankyo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1372888374.91300.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would stay away from the 480 motor, but you should be able to fit in the BX-100 or BX-125 motors fairly easily. (even though they have different P/Ns). They will probably require re-adjusting VR601. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: John Berger >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 2:23 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel motors nakamichi sankyo > > > >Which of the reel motors are interchangable on the Sankyo transports? I have a CR-7 with a bad one, and a BX-100, BX-125 and a 480 with good motors. Can either of these be transplanted into the CR-7? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnovak at oi.com.br Thu Jul 4 13:39:25 2013 From: cnovak at oi.com.br (carlos novak) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:39:25 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try to substitute them with LED and series resistor. I have made this modification and it works very well. C. Novak 2013/7/1 Peter Tanner > Hi, > > My 582 has three burnt out bulbs. The ones under the buttons. They are > really small. Especially the missing record one is irritating. Does anyone > know where I can get hold of a few? Thanks > > Peter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Carlos A. 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Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is not advisable :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Carlos A. Novak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnovak at oi.com.br Fri Jul 5 13:00:49 2013 From: cnovak at oi.com.br (carlos novak) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:00:49 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: <000901ce7906$5bd3b990$137b2cb0$@com.au> References: <000901ce7906$5bd3b990$137b2cb0$@com.au> Message-ID: The series resistor shopuld be enough to limit current to aproximatively 5 mA. I d'ont remember now the value I used, but it depends of the voltage across the bulb. I think it is about 12 volts. If this assumption it is correct, then you will need a 2,2 Kohm resistor, assuming 1 volt across the LED. Try it and see if it is too bright. If it is, inrease a little the value of the resistor. You can use red LEDs and green LEDs. There are LEDs with size very close to the bulbs, and will last forever. Good luck! C. novak 2013/7/4 russellstorey > To C. Novak**** > > ** ** > > What valve of series resistor did you use ?**** > > ** ** > > Russ**** > > ** ** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *carlos novak > *Sent:* Thursday, 4 July 2013 9:39 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 582 bulbs**** > > ** ** > > Try to substitute them with LED and series resistor. I have made this > modification and it works very well.**** > > C. Novak**** > > ** ** > > 2013/7/1 Peter Tanner **** > > Hi, > > My 582 has three burnt out bulbs. The ones under the buttons. They are > really small. Especially the missing record one is irritating. Does anyone > know where I can get hold of a few? Thanks > > Peter **** > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > > > > > -- > Carlos A. Novak **** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Carlos A. Novak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sat Jul 6 11:41:57 2013 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:41:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: <000901ce7906$5bd3b990$137b2cb0$@com.au> References: , , <000901ce7906$5bd3b990$137b2cb0$@com.au> Message-ID: Yes please. Do tell us more. Like how? Peter From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 bulbs Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:32:16 +1000 To C. Novak What valve of series resistor did you use ? Russ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of carlos novak Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013 9:39 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 bulbs Try to substitute them with LED and series resistor. I have made this modification and it works very well. C. Novak 2013/7/1 Peter Tanner Hi, My 582 has three burnt out bulbs. The ones under the buttons. They are really small. Especially the missing record one is irritating. Does anyone know where I can get hold of a few? Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Carlos A. Novak ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sat Jul 6 11:46:31 2013 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:46:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks a million, Cheryl. I'll try those as soon as I get hold of them. I do have a parts deck with good bulbs, by the way, but everytime I try take one out I break it so I stopped doing that. Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:27:45 -1000 Hi Peter. Here in an old email about bulbs. I haven't had any problems with the replacements that I used. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:13 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs BTW, Mouser has these bulbs for 23 cents each in singles. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:57 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is not advisable :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 6 23:54:36 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:54:36 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Indeed Peter -- they are old and brittle and the little rubber insulators kind of turn to goo. You might have to add a bit of sealer to the insulator if it starts falling apart or just make a new one out of an old inner-tube. Where there's a will there's a way. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 11:47 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Thanks a million, Cheryl. I'll try those as soon as I get hold of them. I do have a parts deck with good bulbs, by the way, but everytime I try take one out I break it so I stopped doing that. Peter _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:27:45 -1000 Hi Peter. Here in an old email about bulbs. I haven't had any problems with the replacements that I used. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:13 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs BTW, Mouser has these bulbs for 23 cents each in singles. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:57 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is not advisable :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju > wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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Novak > > > > What valve of series resistor did you use ? > > > > Russ > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *carlos novak > *Sent:* Thursday, 4 July 2013 9:39 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 582 bulbs > > > > Try to substitute them with LED and series resistor. I have made this > modification and it works very well. > > C. Novak > > > > 2013/7/1 Peter Tanner > > Hi, > > My 582 has three burnt out bulbs. The ones under the buttons. They are > really small. Especially the missing record one is irritating. Does anyone > know where I can get hold of a few? 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Mon Jul 8 23:33:58 2013 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:33:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Cheryl again, Would you happen to remember the part number for those 582 bulbs? From Mouser that is. I don't get any results when I search for 12V 25Mv bulbs. Thanks Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:54:36 -1000 Indeed Peter -- they are old and brittle and the little rubber insulators kind of turn to goo. You might have to add a bit of sealer to the insulator if it starts falling apart or just make a new one out of an old inner-tube. Where there's a will there's a way. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 11:47 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Thanks a million, Cheryl. I'll try those as soon as I get hold of them. I do have a parts deck with good bulbs, by the way, but everytime I try take one out I break it so I stopped doing that. Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:27:45 -1000 Hi Peter. Here in an old email about bulbs. I haven't had any problems with the replacements that I used. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:13 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs BTW, Mouser has these bulbs for 23 cents each in singles. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:57 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is not advisable :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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URL: From russellstorey at westnet.com.au Tue Jul 9 00:28:55 2013 From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:28:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <000901ce7906$5bd3b990$137b2cb0$@com.au> Message-ID: <001201ce7c2a$8e00f0a0$aa02d1e0$@com.au> Thanks for that Russ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of carlos novak Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013 2:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 bulbs 2,2kilo Ohms. Put it in series with the LED. LED + resistor in series should be soldered in place of the burnt bulb. You must find place to accomodate the resistor. Good luck! 2013/7/6 Peter Tanner Yes please. Do tell us more. Like how? Peter _____ From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 bulbs Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:32:16 +1000 To C. Novak What valve of series resistor did you use ? Russ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of carlos novak Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013 9:39 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 bulbs Try to substitute them with LED and series resistor. I have made this modification and it works very well. C. Novak 2013/7/1 Peter Tanner Hi, My 582 has three burnt out bulbs. The ones under the buttons. They are really small. Especially the missing record one is irritating. Does anyone know where I can get hold of a few? Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Carlos A. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jul 9 09:23:22 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 09:23:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0391EDD0-8363-4081-94EE-C20A098663FA@peromarta.org> Try 12V 25ma Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 08/07/2013, a las 23:33, Peter Tanner escribió: > Hi Cheryl again, > > Would you happen to remember the part number for those 582 bulbs? From Mouser that is. I don't get any results when I search for 12V 25Mv bulbs. > Thanks > > Peter > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:54:36 -1000 > > Indeed Peter -- they are old and brittle and the little rubber insulators kind of turn to goo. You might have to add a bit of sealer to the insulator if it starts falling apart or just make a new one out of an old inner-tube. Where there's a will there's a way. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 11:47 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > Thanks a million, Cheryl. I'll try those as soon as I get hold of them. I do have a parts deck with good bulbs, by the way, but everytime I try take one out I break it so I stopped doing that. > > Peter > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:27:45 -1000 > > Hi Peter. Here in an old email about bulbs. I haven't had any problems with the replacements that I used. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:13 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > > BTW, Mouser has these bulbs for 23 cents each in singles. > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:57 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > > These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. > > The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > > Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps > rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves > (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these > should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is > not advisable :-). > > -- Ron > > > --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM > > > Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. > > They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. > > Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. > > Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V > 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V > > After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. > > Cheryl > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. > > An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. > > LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. > > At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: > Hi, > > I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . > > The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. > > I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? > > Regards > Rajiv > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomcat927 at gmail.com Tue Jul 9 10:07:44 2013 From: tomcat927 at gmail.com (Tom Cat) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:37:44 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] DR3 Message-ID: Dear Naktalkers, I am new here. I just got a DR3. It is working well except for metal tape recording. The deck will erase the metal tapes perfectly, but the recording is low in level and the audio is distorted. The bias settings seems to have no effect on the distortion. If the bias is increased, the HF response reduce and if under biased the recording becomes brighter. But the distortion is always present. Can any one advice me on this. Thanks Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From latvis at rockdata.org Tue Jul 9 15:45:02 2013 From: latvis at rockdata.org (Jarmo Latva-Aijo) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 16:45:02 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580 - No sound, not recording Message-ID: <201307091526.r69FPuq4024226@zxe.naks.com> Hi everybody. I got today very clean but somewhere broken Nakamichi 580. I got tape rolling after belts and idler fix but the main problem is that the machine has no sound out or in. It powers up, all buttons & lights (VUs do not move) works but no output sound from RCA, DIN or headphones. I tried to record but nothing (VUs do not move). I opened it, fuses are ok, no loose wires.... Any ideas where to start looking to help me fix this deck please. -L From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Jul 9 18:22:45 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 09:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580 - No sound, not recording In-Reply-To: <201307091526.r69FPuq4024226@zxe.naks.com> References: <201307091526.r69FPuq4024226@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1373386965.26998.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Download the service manual and check out ALL power rails. >________________________________ > From: Jarmo Latva-Aijo >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:45 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580 - No sound, not recording > > >Hi everybody. > >I got today very clean but somewhere broken Nakamichi 580. I got tape >rolling after belts and idler fix but the main problem is that the >machine has no sound out or in. It powers up, all buttons & lights >(VUs do not move) works but no output sound from RCA, DIN or >headphones. I tried to record but nothing (VUs do not move). I opened >it, fuses are ok, no loose wires.... Any ideas where to start looking >to help me fix this deck please. > >-L > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 9 19:32:27 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:32:27 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I could not find any 25ma bulbs -- the ones I used were 20ma. But they work without adding a resister. Search for 12V 20ma. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 11:34 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Hi Cheryl again, Would you happen to remember the part number for those 582 bulbs? From Mouser that is. I don't get any results when I search for 12V 25Mv bulbs. Thanks Peter _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:54:36 -1000 Indeed Peter -- they are old and brittle and the little rubber insulators kind of turn to goo. You might have to add a bit of sealer to the insulator if it starts falling apart or just make a new one out of an old inner-tube. Where there's a will there's a way. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 11:47 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Thanks a million, Cheryl. I'll try those as soon as I get hold of them. I do have a parts deck with good bulbs, by the way, but everytime I try take one out I break it so I stopped doing that. Peter _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:27:45 -1000 Hi Peter. Here in an old email about bulbs. I haven't had any problems with the replacements that I used. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:13 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs BTW, Mouser has these bulbs for 23 cents each in singles. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:57 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is not advisable :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Tue Jul 9 21:57:24 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:57:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437C82C7-F7E9-407E-A407-2D2BEF966B4E@ziggo.nl> Hi all, Look at ebay Object 380149071320 Best regards Normam vanaf mijn iPad Op 9 jul. 2013 om 19:32 heeft Cheryl Kaupp het volgende geschreven: > > I could not find any 25ma bulbs -- the ones I used were 20ma. But they work without adding a resister. Search for 12V 20ma. > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 11:34 AM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > Hi Cheryl again, > > Would you happen to remember the part number for those 582 bulbs? From Mouser that is. I don't get any results when I search for 12V 25Mv bulbs. > Thanks > > Peter > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:54:36 -1000 > > Indeed Peter -- they are old and brittle and the little rubber insulators kind of turn to goo. You might have to add a bit of sealer to the insulator if it starts falling apart or just make a new one out of an old inner-tube. Where there's a will there's a way. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 11:47 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > Thanks a million, Cheryl. I'll try those as soon as I get hold of them. I do have a parts deck with good bulbs, by the way, but everytime I try take one out I break it so I stopped doing that. > > Peter > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:27:45 -1000 > > Hi Peter. Here in an old email about bulbs. I haven't had any problems with the replacements that I used. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:13 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > > BTW, Mouser has these bulbs for 23 cents each in singles. > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:57 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > > These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. > > The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > > Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps > rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves > (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these > should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is > not advisable :-). > > -- Ron > > > --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM > > > Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. > > They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. > > Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. > > Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V > 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V > > After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. > > Cheryl > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs > > LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. > > An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. > > LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. > > At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: > Hi, > > I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . > > The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. > > I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? > > Regards > Rajiv > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Russ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of carlos novak Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013 9:39 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 bulbs Try to substitute them with LED and series resistor. I have made this modification and it works very well. C. Novak 2013/7/1 Peter Tanner Hi, My 582 has three burnt out bulbs. The ones under the buttons. They are really small. Especially the missing record one is irritating. Does anyone know where I can get hold of a few? Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Carlos A. 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If the bias is increased, the HF response reduce and if under biased the recording becomes brighter. But the distortion is always present. Can any one advice me on this. Thanks Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at marrscom.com Wed Jul 10 20:38:45 2013 From: orders at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:38:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com Message-ID: <51DDAA35.9090103@marrscom.com> *7-10-13** Improvements at Marrs Communications.com** * *Hello all members, The Marrs Communications website is back up and running with the reduced pricing reflecting My eBay / PayPal monthly fee savings. Quantity Discounts are also back For Service Center Customers. All Tapeheads and Naktalk members Now receive a 20% Discount off of website prices. (increased from 10%) This makes your Cost on a Nakamichi Factory Kit $30.20 ! http://www.marrscommunications.com eBay Account: CHANGES 1. Marrs Communications, eBay (marrscomfred), is now Dedicated to Nakamichi And the Sale of Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits. IN ADDITION, Factory Kits for "other" Hi End tape decks, (like the Aiwa XK-007 / XK-009) Will soon be added. Additional Factory Capstan sizes have been ordered from Japan, Due to arrive by the end of this month. This change has allowed me to reinstate the 3 Business Day Ship Guarantee For eBay: Marrs Communications (marrscomfred), and the Website ONLY. 2. A NEW eBay Seller Account has been added: thingsnsuch2 thingsnsuch2 is now your source for "Supreme" and Premium belt Kits for All Brands (except Nakamichi), of Cassette Decks, Elcaset Decks, R/R Machines, and my Custom Manufactured Walkman and CD Player Belts. 3. Please have patience for answers to your questions sent to: inquiry at marrscom.com I receive more emails every day now that the "Word is out", I can provide belts for EVERYTHING ! Your purchases of everyday common Kits justifies the additional investment required, allowing me to offer these Discontinued, Rare and Impossible to find Belts. Thanks to everyone, Fred M.* From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 15 04:03:42 2013 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:03:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: OMS-7A II Message-ID: New owner. Can someone please let me know the retail price of this when it was introduced. My 20 minute web search led no where. Thought I also had a retail list with this listed, but no luck. Keep on Nakin'. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Willy On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > New owner. > Can someone please let me know the retail price of this when it was > introduced. > My 20 minute web search led no where. > Thought I also had a retail list with this listed, but no luck. > > Keep on Nakin'. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards,   Jerry Helffrich ________________________________ I recently purchased a amplituner TA-2 from Naka, who seems to have problems with microprocessor controls, respectively uPD75104CW produced by NEC, as the service manual says. Any idea where I can buy? Thanks in advance, Cristian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 20:12:26 2013 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi System One System up on eBay In-Reply-To: <1374170167.20443.YahooMailNeo@web140802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1374257546.2416.YahooMailBasic@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121146192745? This is not my auction. I just noticed it today and thought it was of interest. 600 Tape deck 630 FM tuner/Preamp 620 Amplifier DS-100 Timer all in the Nakamichi rack From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 19 20:45:41 2013 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:45:41 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi System One System up on eBay In-Reply-To: <1374257546.2416.YahooMailBasic@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1374170167.20443.YahooMailNeo@web140802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1374257546.2416.YahooMailBasic@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I sold two of these on Ebay. If the seller sold each individual piece, he'll get more $$$. One buyer of mine has four of these complete racks in the Twin Cities, MN so I may visit him next time I'm in my home state. The rack alone goes for $299 + $35 shipping. It's an interesting piece of gear, just not exactly my cup of tea. > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:12:26 -0700 > From: p9019 at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi System One System up on eBay > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/121146192745? > This is not my auction. I just noticed it today and thought it was of interest. > > 600 Tape deck > 630 FM tuner/Preamp > 620 Amplifier > DS-100 Timer > all in the Nakamichi rack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drucyphr at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 17:34:47 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:34:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 Message-ID: Yesterday, I noticed a problem with my BX-300. The transport functions are suddenly not working. When I insert a cassette, the take up reel spins as it should. Play, fast forward and rewind do not work. When pressed, the lights on the buttons do not light up but the stop light does turn off for a few seconds then comes back on. I have been using the deck almost daily lately and this problem just showed up. *EDIT UPDATE - Right before sending this email, I gave the deck another try and it now is working as it should. I am still concerned with the malfunction yesterday and appreciate any helpful insight. Thank you, have a great weekend. Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 16:08:10 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 07:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1374502090.32669.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>   You can't fix it while it's not broken. Does jarring the deck make any change? Wait for the problem to reappear permanently. Then, check all power supply rails. If all are OK, check grounds.   -- Ron   >________________________________ > From: drucyphr >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:34 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 > > > >Yesterday, I noticed a problem with my BX-300. The transport functions are suddenly not working. When I insert a cassette, the take up reel spins as it should. Play, fast forward and rewind do not work. When pressed, the lights on the buttons do not light up but the stop light does turn off for a few seconds then comes back on. > > >I have been using the deck almost daily lately and this problem just showed up. > > >*EDIT UPDATE - Right before sending this email, I gave the deck another try and it now is working as it should. I am still concerned with the malfunction yesterday and appreciate any helpful insight. > > >Thank you, have a great weekend. >Andrew >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jesfirth at aol.com Mon Jul 22 17:37:03 2013 From: jesfirth at aol.com (jesfirth at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:37:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <253BE4F8-96F1-46B6-A70D-F8B04378DB8A@aol.com> This problem happened to mine. It was the reel motor sticking. I sprayed contact cleaner in the end of the motor through one of the little holes and have had no problem for 3 years. Hope this works for you. Regards John Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jul 2013, at 16:34, drucyphr wrote: > Yesterday, I noticed a problem with my BX-300. The transport functions are suddenly not working. When I insert a cassette, the take up reel spins as it should. Play, fast forward and rewind do not work. When pressed, the lights on the buttons do not light up but the stop light does turn off for a few seconds then comes back on. > > I have been using the deck almost daily lately and this problem just showed up. > > *EDIT UPDATE - Right before sending this email, I gave the deck another try and it now is working as it should. I am still concerned with the malfunction yesterday and appreciate any helpful insight. > > Thank you, have a great weekend. > Andrew > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 19:24:08 2013 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (Samuel Crider) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:24:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 In-Reply-To: <253BE4F8-96F1-46B6-A70D-F8B04378DB8A@aol.com> References: <253BE4F8-96F1-46B6-A70D-F8B04378DB8A@aol.com> Message-ID: Check the transport for any sticking moving bits. I've had this same issue when the transport failed to completely drop back to it's resting position. A good clean & lube may be in order. Best wishes, Samuel New Orleans On Jul 22, 2013 11:59 AM, wrote: > This problem happened to mine. It was the reel motor sticking. I sprayed > contact cleaner in the end of the motor through one of the little holes and > have had no problem for 3 years. Hope this works for you. > Regards > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 20 Jul 2013, at 16:34, drucyphr wrote: > > > Yesterday, I noticed a problem with my BX-300. The transport functions > are suddenly not working. When I insert a cassette, the take up reel spins > as it should. Play, fast forward and rewind do not work. When pressed, the > lights on the buttons do not light up but the stop light does turn off for > a few seconds then comes back on. > > > > I have been using the deck almost daily lately and this problem just > showed up. > > > > *EDIT UPDATE - Right before sending this email, I gave the deck another > try and it now is working as it should. 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When pressed, the > lights on the buttons do not light up but the stop light does turn off for > a few seconds then comes back on. > > > > I have been using the deck almost daily lately and this problem just > showed up. > > > > *EDIT UPDATE - Right before sending this email, I gave the deck another > try and it now is working as it should. 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I sprayed contact cleaner in the end of the motor through one of the little holes and have had no problem for 3 years. Hope this works for you. >Regards >John > >Sent from my iPhone > > >On 20 Jul 2013, at 16:34, drucyphr wrote: > >> Yesterday, I noticed a problem with my BX-300. The transport functions are suddenly not working. When I insert a cassette, the take up reel spins as it should. Play, fast forward and rewind do not work. When pressed, the lights on the buttons do not light up but the stop light does turn off for a few seconds then comes back on. >> >> I have been using the deck almost daily lately and this problem just showed up. >> >> *EDIT UPDATE - Right before sending this email, I gave the deck another try and it now is working as it should. 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As the others > suggested, it maybe time for a clean and lube. > > B > > ------------------------------ > *From:* drucyphr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:56 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 > > Thanks for the replies. I haven't tried jarring the deck. I'll look into > the reel motor and check voltages next time I open it up. > > -Andrew > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:37 AM, wrote: > > This problem happened to mine. It was the reel motor sticking. I sprayed > contact cleaner in the end of the motor through one of the little holes and > have had no problem for 3 years. Hope this works for you. > Regards > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 20 Jul 2013, at 16:34, drucyphr wrote: > > > Yesterday, I noticed a problem with my BX-300. The transport functions > are suddenly not working. When I insert a cassette, the take up reel spins > as it should. Play, fast forward and rewind do not work. When pressed, the > lights on the buttons do not light up but the stop light does turn off for > a few seconds then comes back on. > > > > I have been using the deck almost daily lately and this problem just > showed up. > > > > *EDIT UPDATE - Right before sending this email, I gave the deck another > try and it now is working as it should. 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Thank you, Kind regards Rodrigo Krause -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Marrs Enviada em: quarta-feira, 10 de julho de 2013 15:39 Para: Naktalk Assunto: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com Prioridade: Alta *7-10-13** Improvements at Marrs Communications.com** * *Hello all members, The Marrs Communications website is back up and running with the reduced pricing reflecting My eBay / PayPal monthly fee savings. Quantity Discounts are also back For Service Center Customers. All Tapeheads and Naktalk members Now receive a 20% Discount off of website prices. (increased from 10%) This makes your Cost on a Nakamichi Factory Kit $30.20 ! http://www.marrscommunications.com eBay Account: CHANGES 1. Marrs Communications, eBay (marrscomfred), is now Dedicated to Nakamichi And the Sale of Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits. IN ADDITION, Factory Kits for "other" Hi End tape decks, (like the Aiwa XK-007 / XK-009) Will soon be added. Additional Factory Capstan sizes have been ordered from Japan, Due to arrive by the end of this month. This change has allowed me to reinstate the 3 Business Day Ship Guarantee For eBay: Marrs Communications (marrscomfred), and the Website ONLY. 2. A NEW eBay Seller Account has been added: thingsnsuch2 thingsnsuch2 is now your source for "Supreme" and Premium belt Kits for All Brands (except Nakamichi), of Cassette Decks, Elcaset Decks, R/R Machines, and my Custom Manufactured Walkman and CD Player Belts. 3. Please have patience for answers to your questions sent to: inquiry at marrscom.com I receive more emails every day now that the "Word is out", I can provide belts for EVERYTHING ! Your purchases of everyday common Kits justifies the additional investment required, allowing me to offer these Discontinued, Rare and Impossible to find Belts. Thanks to everyone, Fred M.* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. Informamos que qualquer divulgação, distribuição ou cópia desta mensagem sem a prévia autorização do remetente é estritamente proibida. Se você recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, notifique imediatamente o remetente e apague esta mensagem. This e-mail message, including its exhibits, may contain privileged and/or confidential information. We hereby inform that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without sender prior consent is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify sender and delete this message. ________________________________ From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 12:09:11 2013 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 125, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <1374170167.20443.YahooMailNeo@web140802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201307181016.r6IA7cdi020578@zxe.naks.com> <1374170167.20443.YahooMailNeo@web140802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1374660551.32332.YahooMailNeo@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi mr. Helffrich, Indeed, the charge was Q525, a 2SA733. I have replaced with a 2SA1020. After this, it was necessary to replace polarized capacitor plate supply units. Now switching works, but I think he has to replace and Q524 as the corresponding LED light stays easy on after switching (TAPE). Remains to check MUTE function that works intermittently. Still do not know if switch fault or something. Thank you very much for your support and advice were very helpful. We all know, Cristian ________________________________ From: j. helffrich To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 6:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 125, Issue 13 Hi Cristian,   Does your unit show all the input selector lights on dimly, and doesn't respond to any of them?  If so, this is a known problem, and doesn't involve the micro.  It is one of the small transistors (like U501 or something, cannot remember) that controls voltage to the whole switch matrix.  Mine has failed twice over its lifetime.  Can be replaced by a similar 2Nxxxx device. 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URL: From fmccall at hotmail.com Thu Jul 25 06:48:35 2013 From: fmccall at hotmail.com (Fred McCall) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 04:48:35 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com In-Reply-To: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB06ACD0@STVTEX05> References: <51DDAA35.9090103@marrscom.com>, <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB06ACD0@STVTEX05> Message-ID: I think you have the wrong Fred. This e-mail contains unclassified information that may be withheld from the public because disclosure could cause foreseeable harm to an interest protected by one or more of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Exemptions 2 through 9 identified in 5 USC 552(b). Access to this e-mail by anyone other than the intended addressee is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or retention of the same is strictly prohibited and also may violate statutory and regulatory requirements. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender. > From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RES: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:04:06 +0000 > > Hi Fred, how are things going? > > Any news on my belts? I´m flying to NYC Tuesday July 30th and will stay there for two days. Any chance you could get me the two belts (the one I´ve bought and the one I need to pay for)? > Thank you, > > Kind regards > > Rodrigo Krause > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Marrs > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 10 de julho de 2013 15:39 > Para: Naktalk > Assunto: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com > Prioridade: Alta > > *7-10-13** Improvements at Marrs Communications.com** > > * > > *Hello all members, > > > The Marrs Communications website is back up and running with the reduced pricing reflecting > > My eBay / PayPal monthly fee savings. Quantity Discounts are also back For Service Center Customers. > > > All Tapeheads and Naktalk members Now receive a 20% Discount > > off of website prices. (increased from 10%) > > This makes your Cost on a Nakamichi Factory Kit $30.20 ! > > http://www.marrscommunications.com > > > > > eBay Account: CHANGES > > > 1. Marrs Communications, eBay (marrscomfred), is now Dedicated to Nakamichi > > And the Sale of Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits. > > > IN ADDITION, Factory Kits for "other" Hi End tape decks, (like the Aiwa > XK-007 / XK-009) > > Will soon be added. Additional Factory Capstan sizes have been ordered > from Japan, > > Due to arrive by the end of this month. > > This change has allowed me to reinstate the 3 Business Day Ship Guarantee > > For eBay: Marrs Communications (marrscomfred), and the Website ONLY. > > > > 2. A NEW eBay Seller Account has been added: thingsnsuch2 > > thingsnsuch2 is now your source for "Supreme" and Premium belt Kits > > for All Brands (except Nakamichi), of Cassette Decks, Elcaset Decks, > > R/R Machines, and my Custom Manufactured Walkman and CD Player Belts. > > > > 3. Please have patience for answers to your questions sent to: > inquiry at marrscom.com > > I receive more emails every day now that the "Word is out", I can > provide belts for EVERYTHING ! > > > Your purchases of everyday common Kits justifies the additional > investment required, allowing me > > to offer these Discontinued, Rare and Impossible to find Belts. > > > > Thanks to everyone, Fred M.* > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ________________________________ > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. 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URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Jul 25 15:24:12 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:24:12 +0000 Subject: RES: RES: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com In-Reply-To: References: <51DDAA35.9090103@marrscom.com>, <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB06ACD0@STVTEX05> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB06F7AB@STVTEX05> Yep. Did send it to the wrong Fred. Sorry and thank you for letting me know. Best regards, Rodrigo Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred McCall Enviada em: quinta-feira, 25 de julho de 2013 01:49 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: RE: RES: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com Prioridade: Alta I think you have the wrong Fred. This e-mail contains unclassified information that may be withheld from the public because disclosure could cause foreseeable harm to an interest protected by one or more of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Exemptions 2 through 9 identified in 5 USC 552(b). Access to this e-mail by anyone other than the intended addressee is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or retention of the same is strictly prohibited and also may violate statutory and regulatory requirements. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender. > From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RES: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:04:06 +0000 > > Hi Fred, how are things going? > > Any news on my belts? I´m flying to NYC Tuesday July 30th and will stay there for two days. Any chance you could get me the two belts (the one I´ve bought and the one I need to pay for)? > Thank you, > > Kind regards > > Rodrigo Krause > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Marrs > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 10 de julho de 2013 15:39 > Para: Naktalk > Assunto: [naktalk] 7-10-13 Improvements at Marrs Communications.com > Prioridade: Alta > > *7-10-13** Improvements at Marrs Communications.com** > > * > > *Hello all members, > > > The Marrs Communications website is back up and running with the reduced pricing reflecting > > My eBay / PayPal monthly fee savings. Quantity Discounts are also back For Service Center Customers. > > > All Tapeheads and Naktalk members Now receive a 20% Discount > > off of website prices. (increased from 10%) > > This makes your Cost on a Nakamichi Factory Kit $30.20 ! > > http://www.marrscommunications.com > > > > > eBay Account: CHANGES > > > 1. Marrs Communications, eBay (marrscomfred), is now Dedicated to Nakamichi > > And the Sale of Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits. > > > IN ADDITION, Factory Kits for "other" Hi End tape decks, (like the Aiwa > XK-007 / XK-009) > > Will soon be added. Additional Factory Capstan sizes have been ordered > from Japan, > > Due to arrive by the end of this month. > > This change has allowed me to reinstate the 3 Business Day Ship Guarantee > > For eBay: Marrs Communications (marrscomfred), and the Website ONLY. > > > > 2. A NEW eBay Seller Account has been added: thingsnsuch2 > > thingsnsuch2 is now your source for "Supreme" and Premium belt Kits > > for All Brands (except Nakamichi), of Cassette Decks, Elcaset Decks, > > R/R Machines, and my Custom Manufactured Walkman and CD Player Belts. > > > > 3. Please have patience for answers to your questions sent to: > inquiry at marrscom.com > > I receive more emails every day now that the "Word is out", I can > provide belts for EVERYTHING ! > > > Your purchases of everyday common Kits justifies the additional > investment required, allowing me > > to offer these Discontinued, Rare and Impossible to find Belts. > > > > Thanks to everyone, Fred M.* > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ________________________________ > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. 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So I have opted to announce the offer to this forum, The intermediate persons has supplied the following information and can be contacted directly via his email address; "My name is Paul Burton and I am a good friend of a lady who inherited a Nakamichi System One from her deceased husband who had bought the unit in the 1970's new. It has been sitting in their study all these years and is in pristine condition. It has the rack with timer, the 600, 610, 620, and 630 units and there are no visual blemishes (other than some dust). The bezel has come unglued from around the cassette opening, but can be re-glued easily. My good friend wants to get rid of the unit ASAP, and I have volunteered to help. She has indicated that she wants $600 for the complete unit or $200 per individual component, and I'm pretty sure she would also be open to offers if those prices are too high. Anyone can contact me at paul at aa6z.com. We live in San Jose, SF Bay area of California. It will be difficult to ship the whole thing together, but individual components could be removed and professionally packed and shipped. The buyer would have to pay the packing and shipping if they can't pick it up." Good luck to you all Henk Schenk (website now defunct) g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2013\2013-June.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From countzero at vista.aero Sat Jun 1 08:35:37 2013 From: countzero at vista.aero (Count Zero) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 18:35:37 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauges and Test Tapes In-Reply-To: References: <001801ce5ab8$c1790820$446b1860$@bigpond.com>, Message-ID: http://www.gennlab.com/ is in New Zealand Hi Nakamichi lovers, My name is Eugen and I am from Sydney Australia. After long searches I finally managed to get a NAKAMICHI DRAGON. Unfortunately when I purchase it had a series of issues. I managed to clear some of them but the transport mechanism needs a full rebuild. I ordered a service kit from Germany but I can see without NAKAMICHI Gauges I cannot perform this operation. Willy Herman Services lists as Casette Gauge is no longer available. Also I need the one for tilt and back tension. Does anyone have any gauges which he want to sell? Or anyone rents this to get the job done and return? Anyone which has information on this please contact me. Any suggestions much appreciated. Also, for this job I will need test tapes. 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In-Reply-To: <263D6C62-22DD-4C61-97CC-7D8E59F1C803@gmail.com> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> <0MNI00F3SBWO5P30@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> <5f20b0270372593dbfa9fbb6154d96fa.squirrel@epost.tilkoblet.net> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB03109F@STVTEX05> <263D6C62-22DD-4C61-97CC-7D8E59F1C803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB032A5F@STVTEX05> Hi Gerhard, I hope you got my last e-mail in which I say that I step back from buying now (I couldn´t do it until October or November this year) to Birger. But if you do not sell it and are willing to wait until later this year, then I could buy it. Thank you for your time and very kind attention and please DO keep me updated on your offerings. You never know if some “extra” money comes your way, right? Best personal regards, Rodrigo Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Gerhard Wartha Enviada em: sexta-feira, 31 de maio de 2013 04:12 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? Hi, Rodrigo, The work on any Cassette Deck is part of a big photographic documentation. That is the reason way I have this photos from the ZXL/5 who can be sold next time. One reason for selling the Decks again, is they must have some work, some times , with playback or recording. But nobody can play with 4 ore even more Decks all the time. Like every machine, this Decks die only if they are not getting any use. The picture from outside was taken with a project to reproduce SONY TEST TAPES. Next project will be the reproducing the NAK 1kHz tape, with 8 track heads from Japan. In front is ZXL/5, in the back is ZXL/1. Picture,s show the Transport and the new Idler tire. The transport is working very exact. I will make a move if I have the time. a Collector from Russia would like to see a movie too. This Movie shows the ZXL sold with Ebay ZX-NAKAMICHI to a member from UKRAINE. The Deck was packet in FOARM IN PLACE. I did shipp it to north germany, a truck driver did take the packet the 2500km to UKRAINE. Buyer was very happy. He has never seen a packing like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKttQJ9oTLQ Am 29.05.2013 um 22:07 schrieb Rodrigo Krause: Sorry. Just Danke Shön! -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Gerhard Wartha Enviada em: quarta-feira, 29 de maio de 2013 03:27 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? Credit Problems in Greece , I would believe. But you can buy my near mint ZXL.and pay with Pay Pal. You can get any photo you like ore even movie you like in one week. You get it in best packing you can imagine. With warranties for the heads. Regards Gerhard Vienna Am 28.05.2013 um 23:36 schrieb bglosi at tilkoblet.net: Maybe not right to post this here, but I hope you bear with me. I was the lucky? winner of a 1000 ZXL on ebay.fr. It was however from a seller in Athens/Greece. I have tried to have her accept payment by paypal, but she says she has credit problems and can not use paypal ? Also the shipping is only 50 Euro which I find very low. I do not feel comfortable with this and actually have lost one 1000 ZXL and so far the money, because of a shipping company that did not do it`s work as they should. Question, are there any members from Greece here that can volunteer to help at least check if it actually is a 1000 ZXL and not fraud? Collecting (and offcourse using) Nakamichi tapedecks is interesting, expensive but hopefully not also an experience in getting ripped off ;-) Best regards from Norway ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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Alexander COLLINS >________________________________ > From: Gerhard Wartha >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:12 PM >Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? > > > >Hi, Rodrigo, > > > > >The work on any Cassette Deck is part of a big photographic documentation. > > >That is the reason way I have this photos from the ZXL/5 who can be sold next time. > > >One reason for selling the Decks again, is they must have some work, some times , with playback or recording. > > >But nobody can play with 4 ore even more Decks all the time. Like every machine, this Decks die only if they are not getting  any use. > > >The picture from outside was taken with a project to reproduce SONY TEST TAPES. >Next project will be the reproducing the NAK 1kHz tape, with 8 track heads from Japan. > > >In front is ZXL/5, in the back is ZXL/1. > > >Picture,s show the Transport and the new Idler tire. > > >The transport is working very exact. > > >I   will make a move if I have the time. > > >a Collector   from  Russia would like  to see a movie too. > > > > >This  Movie shows the ZXL sold with Ebay ZX-NAKAMICHI to a member from UKRAINE. > > >The Deck was packet in FOARM IN PLACE. > > >I did shipp it to north germany, a truck driver did take  the packet the 2500km to UKRAINE. > > >Buyer was very happy. He has never seen a packing like this. > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKttQJ9oTLQ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Am 29.05.2013 um 22:07 schrieb Rodrigo Krause: > > > >Sorry. Just > > >Danke Shön! >> >> >>-----Mensagem original----- >>De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Gerhard Wartha >>Enviada em: quarta-feira, 29 de maio de 2013 03:27 >>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? >> >> >>Credit Problems in Greece , I would believe. >> >> >>But you can buy my near mint ZXL.and pay with Pay Pal. >> >> >>You can get any photo you like ore even movie you like in one week. >> >> >>You get it in best packing you can  imagine. >> >> >>With warranties for the heads. >> >> >>Regards >> >> >> >> >>Gerhard Vienna >>Am 28.05.2013 um 23:36 schrieb bglosi at tilkoblet.net: >> >> >>Maybe not right to post this here, but I hope you bear with me. >>> >>> >>>I was the lucky? winner of a 1000 ZXL on ebay.fr. >>>It was however from a seller in Athens/Greece. >>>I have tried to have her accept payment by paypal, but she says she >>>has credit problems and can not use paypal ? >>>Also the shipping is only 50 Euro which I find very low. >>>I do not feel comfortable with this and actually have lost one 1000 >>>ZXL and so far the money, because of a shipping company that did not >>>do it`s work as they should. >>> >>> >>>Question, are there any members from Greece here that can volunteer to >>>help at least check if it actually is a 1000 ZXL and not fraud? >>> >>> >>>Collecting (and offcourse using) Nakamichi tapedecks is interesting, >>>expensive but hopefully not also an experience in getting ripped off >>>;-) >>> >>> >>>Best regards from Norway >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>>account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>naktalk >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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Best regards to all of you :-) Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: Emmanouil Komninos To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from, Greece here? Hi to all NAK talkers, I have been discussing this problem with Birger (the winner of this ZXL auction) extensively but with private emails and phone conversations over the past 2 days. I have come up to the conclusion and have informed the buyer that, this auction is a fraud, for the following reasons: Phone # registered with ebay is not responding (always a messenger replies). Tried it many times always same result....I wanted to contact the seller and go check the deck for the buyer if the item was within 1 hour drive from my house. I noticed that the ebay account where the item was placed in auction was idle for the past year in France and the seller use to sell anything else but vintage electronics..... The name of the owner of the bank account info is not a native Greek. The seller sells from within metropolitan France but he ended up shipping from Greece.....I do sell from time to time on ebay USA but my address is Athens Greece! (Any potential buyer can see this on description) The seller had no seller protection (paypal) and shipping costs with DHL were very very low, something like 50 euro! (This is a 20 kg of weight box at least! From Athens To Oslo Norway, DHL would ask no less than 250 euro.) I advised Birger to immediately inform ebay for this scam. Also leaving negative feedback would not do anything because probably the real owner of the ebay account has nothing to do with this! I had a "similar" problem with ebay Germany when i won a AKAI GX 95 which was described as "in perfect working order" only to realize when received that it had several mechanical and electronic issues.....Of course having paid with wire transfer i had no seller protection so the case was closed by ebay DE in favor of the seller...At least in my case i had -at least-the deck in perfect aesthetic condition and had the opportunity to give a negative feedback to the seller but i am certain this is not the case with this ZXL! End of story and have a great weekend everybody! Manos, Athens-Greece On 31/5/2013 1:06 ??, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? (Rodrigo Krause) 2. 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Thank you Am 03.06.2013 um 17:56 schrieb Rodrigo Krause: > Hi Gerhard, > > I hope you got my last e-mail in which I say that I step back from > buying now (I couldn´t do it until October or November this year) > to Birger. But if you do not sell it and are willing to wait until > later this year, then I could buy it. > > Thank you for your time and very kind attention and please DO keep > me updated on your offerings. You never know if some “extra” money > comes your way, right? > > Best personal regards, > > > Rodrigo Krause > > > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em > nome de Gerhard Wartha > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 31 de maio de 2013 04:12 > Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member > from Greece here? > > > Hi, Rodrigo, > > > > The work on any Cassette Deck is part of a big photographic > documentation. > > > That is the reason way I have this photos from the ZXL/5 who can be > sold next time. > > > One reason for selling the Decks again, is they must have some > work, some times , with playback or recording. > > > But nobody can play with 4 ore even more Decks all the time. Like > every machine, this Decks die only if they are not getting any use. > > > The picture from outside was taken with a project to reproduce SONY > TEST TAPES. > > Next project will be the reproducing the NAK 1kHz tape, with 8 > track heads from Japan. > > > In front is ZXL/5, in the back is ZXL/1. > > > Picture,s show the Transport and the new Idler tire. > > > The transport is working very exact. > > > I will make a move if I have the time. > > > a Collector from Russia would like to see a movie too. > > > > This Movie shows the ZXL sold with Ebay ZX-NAKAMICHI to a member > from UKRAINE. > > > The Deck was packet in FOARM IN PLACE. > > > I did shipp it to north germany, a truck driver did take the > packet the 2500km to UKRAINE. > > > Buyer was very happy. He has never seen a packing like this. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKttQJ9oTLQ > > > > > > > > > Am 29.05.2013 um 22:07 schrieb Rodrigo Krause: > > > > Sorry. Just > > Danke Shön! > > > -----Mensagem original----- > > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em > nome de Gerhard Wartha > > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 29 de maio de 2013 03:27 > > Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from > Greece here? > > > Credit Problems in Greece , I would believe. > > > But you can buy my near mint ZXL.and pay with Pay Pal. > > > You can get any photo you like ore even movie you like in one week. > > > You get it in best packing you can imagine. > > > With warranties for the heads. > > > Regards > > > > Gerhard Vienna > > Am 28.05.2013 um 23:36 schrieb bglosi at tilkoblet.net: > > > Maybe not right to post this here, but I hope you bear with me. > > > I was the lucky? winner of a 1000 ZXL on ebay.fr. > > It was however from a seller in Athens/Greece. > > I have tried to have her accept payment by paypal, but she says she > > has credit problems and can not use paypal ? > > Also the shipping is only 50 Euro which I find very low. > > I do not feel comfortable with this and actually have lost one 1000 > > ZXL and so far the money, because of a shipping company that did not > > do it`s work as they should. > > > Question, are there any members from Greece here that can volunteer to > > help at least check if it actually is a 1000 ZXL and not fraud? > > > Collecting (and offcourse using) Nakamichi tapedecks is interesting, > > expensive but hopefully not also an experience in getting ripped off > > ;-) > > > Best regards from Norway > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser > retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Mon Jun 3 22:41:54 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 08:41:54 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Out of office Message-ID: <91CEB7A065184CB59740C8E9F800BF69@emachinef0bb72> Hello All, FYI No shipping from GennLab from 22/June/13 to 2/Aug/13. Heading to Europe. E-mails will be answered from my mobile phone. The deadline for placing orders to be shipped is 19/June/13. Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Jun 4 04:37:01 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 bulb cable. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1370313421.43975.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The schematic shows the lamp (PL601) connected between the +12V and the ground, on the capstan motor PCB. Find and download the Sankyo capstan motor PCB layout, from the Naks.com documentation page. It shows location of the +12V and ground pads. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Ural Durusu >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:12 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR7 bulb cable. > > > >Hello, >  >There are 2 black cables for powering the bulb (cassette back light) one of them is broken and I don’t know where to solder it. In the picture  the left one is OK but right one is broken. 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Find and download the Sankyo capstan motor PCB layout, from the Naks.com documentation page. It shows location of the +12V and ground pads. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Ural Durusu >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:12 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR7 bulb cable. > > > >Hello, >  >There are 2 black cables for powering the bulb (cassette back light) one of them is broken and I don’t know where to solder it. In the picture  the left one is OK but right one is broken. Thank you for any kind of help. >  >Regards, >Ural >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 4 06:33:13 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:33:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from, Greece here? In-Reply-To: <4F10261E37B94932956F84F01D94A6CE@BirgerPC> References: <201305311006.r4VA04jY028327@zxe.naks.com> <4F10261E37B94932956F84F01D94A6CE@BirgerPC> Message-ID: <1B25DBC9-DC1E-44F4-92A9-1665EF0F6737@yahoo.com> I have a very similar experience buying a cartridge from eBay where the seller was so dubious. I referred the whole matter to eBay and let then handle it. That suspends the transaction while they investigate. Bala Sent from my iPhone On 04/06/2013, at 4:25 AM, "Birger Glosimot" wrote: > It is just like Manos describes it! > And suddenly the address was noit Athens, but an isle north east in Greece with bad phone connection ;-) > > Today I have sent a message to the "seller" and asked for the serial number of the deck and the weight and a photo of the parcel. I suspect I will either have some strange explanation why it can not be done, or not hear anything. > > But fellow Nak members! this is a warning about how we buy (and what to do when we sell) on ebay, or for that instance other web based trading sites. > > Best regards to all of you :-) > > Birger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emmanouil Komninos > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:15 AM > Subject: RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from, Greece here? > > Hi to all NAK talkers, > I have been discussing this problem with Birger (the winner of this ZXL auction) extensively but with private emails and phone conversations over the past 2 days. > I have come up to the conclusion and have informed the buyer that, this auction is a fraud, for the following reasons: > Phone # registered with ebay is not responding (always a messenger replies). Tried it many times always same result....I wanted to contact the seller and go check the deck for the buyer if the item was within 1 hour drive from my house. > I noticed that the ebay account where the item was placed in auction was idle for the past year in France and the seller use to sell anything else but vintage electronics..... > The name of the owner of the bank account info is not a native Greek. > The seller sells from within metropolitan France but he ended up shipping from Greece.....I do sell from time to time on ebay USA but my address is Athens Greece! (Any potential buyer can see this on description) > The seller had no seller protection (paypal) and shipping costs with DHL were very very low, something like 50 euro! (This is a 20 kg of weight box at least! From Athens To Oslo Norway, DHL would ask no less than 250 euro.) > I advised Birger to immediately inform ebay for this scam. Also leaving negative feedback would not do anything because probably the real owner of the ebay account has nothing to do with this! > I had a "similar" problem with ebay Germany when i won a AKAI GX 95 which was described as "in perfect working order" only to realize when received that it had several mechanical and electronic issues.....Of course having paid with wire transfer i had no seller protection so the case was closed by ebay DE in favor of the seller...At least in my case i had -at least-the deck in perfect aesthetic condition and had the opportunity to give a negative feedback to the seller but i am certain this is not the case with this ZXL! > End of story and have a great weekend everybody! > Manos, Athens-Greece > > > On 31/5/2013 1:06 μμ, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. 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Its utter gibberish, technical sounding mumbo jumbo. --- On Thu, 6/6/13, Cyrus Shirali wrote: From: Cyrus Shirali Subject: Re: [naktalk] This eBay item makes for an interesting read To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 4:28 AM the dude probably just copied and pasted type. either way he seems to be a legit seller. it happens all the time. +plus he is from Australia (if that even leads to anything) avss01, kaupp, & daniel.. Have any of you try to contact him/her aka "gr8todealwith" and mention is typos so he can correct it or type up a proper description and just send it to him.. especially seems iike it is a legit piece.? ( I usually do if i c something wrong on fleabay)? 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 7 23:31:11 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 23:31:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] new documents available Message-ID: <8ce2f838cc361bebf2b20958b721fe58.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I've added some new Nak documents scanned by Fred to the wiki page, mainly in Dutch language: 1) Nakamichi 600 service manual, another one but a cleaner scan then available until now (4th in the list) 2) Nakamichi 580 service document to add slack tape takeup to this deck, it's in Dutch language but has pics 3) T-100 owners manual in Dutch 4) LX-3 owners manual in Dutch Thanks to Fred for the nice clean scans, enjoy! Wouter From mstager at verizon.net Sun Jun 9 06:03:02 2013 From: mstager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 00:03:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted Nakamich 582 for outside parts. Message-ID: <0MO300EUNXX37V20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> I have a 582 performing like new - sounds perfect recording and playing cassettes but the top and the front panel are in very sad shape. She sounds beautiful but looks awful. Does anyone have a 582 they want to get rid of which looks OK but is electronically kaput? Thanks, Marc NYC From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 10 09:41:39 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:41:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted Nakamich 582 for outside parts. In-Reply-To: <0MO300EUNXX37V20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MO300EUNXX37V20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6DEBA31F-40B7-4CDD-B35C-8D11F57502BE@yahoo.com> Is it physically damaged or just the decals? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 09/06/2013, at 2:03 PM, Marc Stager wrote: > I have a 582 performing like new - sounds perfect recording and playing cassettes but the top and the front panel are in very sad shape. > She sounds beautiful but looks awful. > > Does anyone have a 582 they want to get rid of which looks OK but is electronically kaput? > > Thanks, > > Marc > NYC > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Jun 10 17:53:35 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:53:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted Nakamich 582 for outside parts. In-Reply-To: <0MO300EUNXX37V20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MO300EUNXX37V20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi Marc - Contact me off the forum. Willy Hermann willy at willyhs.com On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Marc Stager wrote: > I have a 582 performing like new - sounds perfect recording and playing > cassettes but the top and the front panel are in very sad shape. > She sounds beautiful but looks awful. > > Does anyone have a 582 they want to get rid of which looks OK but is > electronically kaput? > > Thanks, > > Marc > NYC > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mstager at verizon.net Mon Jun 10 18:45:58 2013 From: mstager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:45:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted Nakamich 582 for outside parts. In-Reply-To: <6DEBA31F-40B7-4CDD-B35C-8D11F57502BE@yahoo.com> References: <0MO300EUNXX37V20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <6DEBA31F-40B7-4CDD-B35C-8D11F57502BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0MO6009TJRWO5M90@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Well, it no longer matters. I sold it as-is (perfect sound, scratched and dented case) for $75 on Sunday. Thanks, Marc Stager ============== At 03:41 AM 6/10/2013, you wrote: >Is it physically damaged or just the decals? > >Best Regards, >Bala Ganesh > >On 09/06/2013, at 2:03 PM, Marc Stager wrote: > > > I have a 582 performing like new - sounds perfect recording and > playing cassettes but the top and the front panel are in very sad shape. > > She sounds beautiful but looks awful. > > > > Does anyone have a 582 they want to get rid of which looks OK but > is electronically kaput? > > Marc > > NYC > > From mstager at verizon.net Mon Jun 10 18:50:08 2013 From: mstager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:50:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted Nakamich 582 for outside parts. In-Reply-To: References: <0MO300EUNXX37V20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0MO6006NYS3N97A0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Thanks Willy, but I no longer need those parts. Sold as-is yesterday Best, Marc Stager ============================ At 11:53 AM 6/10/2013, you wrote: >Hi Marc - >Contact me off the forum. >Willy Hermann >willy at willyhs.com > >On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Marc Stager ><mstager at verizon.net> wrote: >I have a 582 performing like new - sounds perfect recording and >playing cassettes but the top and the front panel are in very sad shape. >She sounds beautiful but looks awful. >Does anyone have a 582 they want to get rid of which looks OK but is >electronically kaput? >Thanks, >Marc >NYC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Tue Jun 11 11:45:13 2013 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanouil Komninos) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:45:13 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a DR1 Message-ID: Hi to all NAK talkers! About a month ago i changed belts to a DR1 thanks to the tireless efforts and email help i received from Ron (BTW, thank you so much Ron!). But now i have another problem which looks more complex, at least for my electronics skills.. The deck is acting weird when i playback recorded tapes from any of my other NAK decks (which i know they are well calibrated and very well maintained) The VUs of the DR1 do not go over +0db on recorded peaks that normally should be +3, +5db even +8db with any other deck.....This becomes even more evident when i playback normal prerecorded tapes... I have tried some recordings with the DR1 using of course same source, tape type, etc . Playing back these recordings with the DR1 will produce high levels on its VUs (even though i hear some distortion) but when i playback these same recordings on any other deck (including a reference DRAGON) the recordings produce very low levels on high peaks (never exceeded 0db) Recordings done with any of my other decks will never exceed 0db when playback on the DR1. (resulting of course in very low output signal to my pre amp!) Any suggestion of what is happening with this DR1 (for which BTW i am the first owner) will be very much appreciated. This deck has very nice characteristics and would record and playback very close to my Dragon and CR-7 (all though it never gets the credits deserved when it comes to quality and sustainability when compared with other older 3header NAKs!) Thanking you in advance for your help, Manos,Athens Greece . From timpamsepper at cox.net Thu Jun 13 06:34:41 2013 From: timpamsepper at cox.net (Tim and Pam Sepper) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:34:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a DR1 Message-ID: <004101ce67ef$52ae6a90$f80b3fb0$@cox.net> Emmanouil, I too, have the DR-1. Fantastic machine.love the manual playback azimuth control. I have tried to replicate your problem with no luck. Sorry. Someone with electronic experience will have to step up to answer. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jun 14 16:07:53 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 582 rewind and fast forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1371218873.81753.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Just off the top of my head, I would check: - Power rails (with special attention to the +12V). - Mechanical issues, dirt or dust, around the sensor wheel. - Marginal signals around the shut-off circuit. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Peter Tanner >To: naktalk naktalk >Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:14 AM >Subject: [naktalk] 582 rewind and fast forward > > > > >Hi > >My 582 doesn't always stop in the rewind mode when it rewinds to the beginning of the tape for some reason. The stop button has to be used manually to stop it from spinning. It doesn't happen all the time but sometimes it happens in the fast forward mode as well. In play it stops just fine at the end of the tape. I have a second transport and that one functions normally so I don't think it has anything to do with the board. Otherwise the deck plays very well and the control motor offset adjustment has been done according to the manual. Stop, play and cue are right on. Any ideas on this? Thanks > >Peter > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From russellstorey at westnet.com.au Sat Jun 15 03:17:19 2013 From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:17:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUIT In-Reply-To: <002301ce690f$cf49f6c0$6ddde440$@com> References: <002301ce690f$cf49f6c0$6ddde440$@com> Message-ID: <000001ce6966$1a80c370$4f824a50$@com.au> Can someone supply the complete document please . TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUITRY See Photo of page on UK Ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-680ZX-Casstte-Deck-/111096947774?pt=UK_S ound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19dde4e43e&nma=true&si=G8GxISih0c9%252BzQoJ%252BM6fQ%252FSMbog%253 D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Note sure if this is the Document name ? TECHNICAL ANALYSIS SERVICE INFO DOC. No: 00D-SI-3037 Regards , Russell From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Terry Finn Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 1:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A very nice 680Zx has just been listed on Ebay.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-680ZX-Casstte-Deck-/111096947774?pt=UK_S ound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19dde4e43e T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Sat Jun 15 16:17:01 2013 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanouil Komninos) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:17:01 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a DR-1 Message-ID: Hi to all Nak Talkers again! Is there anybody who can help me figure out what is happening with this DR1 ? I posted the problem 5 days ago, but had no suggestions or inputs from anybody....I would very much appreciate your kind inputs! If i have failed to explain clearly the issue i can give more specifics, if needed. Any suggestions are welcomed! Please help me fix this deck! Thanking you in advance, Manos From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 19:48:09 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:48:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a DR1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It looks like an play back amplifier problem or a meter amp problem. If you ore somebody has electronic knowledge he can check the playback amp. first look to the power supply for this amp. because the problem is on both channels. The track and azimuth alignment has to be perfect , and heads are clean?. If you not sure about that you can change the tape track for a moment by pushing or bulling the tape in a different track. Normal way would be to use a tape travel cassette. If the power voltage for this amp is all-right you can trace the signal through it to find a distortion stage. GERHARD VIENNA Am 11.06.2013 um 11:45 schrieb Emmanouil Komninos: > Hi to all NAK talkers! About a month ago i changed belts to a DR1 > thanks to the tireless efforts and email help i received from Ron > (BTW, thank you so much Ron!). > But now i have another problem which looks more complex, at least > for my electronics skills.. > The deck is acting weird when i playback recorded tapes from any of > my other NAK decks (which i know they are well calibrated and very > well maintained) > The VUs of the DR1 do not go over +0db on recorded peaks that > normally should be +3, +5db even +8db with any other deck.....This > becomes even more evident when i playback normal prerecorded > tapes... > I have tried some recordings with the DR1 using of course same > source, tape type, etc . Playing back these recordings with the > DR1 will produce high levels on its VUs (even though i hear some > distortion) but when i playback these same recordings on any other > deck (including a reference DRAGON) the recordings produce very low > levels on high peaks (never exceeded 0db) > Recordings done with any of my other decks will never exceed 0db > when playback on the DR1. (resulting of course in very low output > signal to my pre amp!) > Any suggestion of what is happening with this DR1 (for which BTW i > am the first owner) will be very much appreciated. This deck has > very nice characteristics and would record and playback very close > to my Dragon and CR-7 (all though it never gets the credits > deserved when it comes to quality and sustainability when > compared with other older 3header NAKs!) Thanking you in advance > for your help, Manos,Athens Greece > . > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sat Jun 15 21:09:30 2013 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 20:09:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUIT In-Reply-To: <000001ce6966$1a80c370$4f824a50$@com.au> References: <002301ce690f$cf49f6c0$6ddde440$@com> <000001ce6966$1a80c370$4f824a50$@com.au> Message-ID: <002e01ce69fb$dd808be0$9881a3a0$@com> Looks like the one I did , back in the day..... T. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of russellstorey Sent: 15 June 2013 02:17 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUIT Can someone supply the complete document please . TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUITRY See Photo of page on UK Ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-680ZX-Casstte-Deck-/111096947774?pt=UK_S ound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19dde4e43e&nma=true&si=G8GxISih0c9%252BzQoJ%252BM6fQ%252FSMbog%253 D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Note sure if this is the Document name ? TECHNICAL ANALYSIS SERVICE INFO DOC. No: 00D-SI-3037 Regards , Russell From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Terry Finn Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 1:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A very nice 680Zx has just been listed on Ebay.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-680ZX-Casstte-Deck-/111096947774?pt=UK_S ound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19dde4e43e T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 15 23:05:49 2013 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (Dave) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:05:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 582 rewind and fast forward In-Reply-To: <1371218873.81753.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1371218873.81753.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Check the tape counter. Does rewind stop when it get to "0" when you have it in memory stop mode? Check tape counter belt From David On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:07, Ron wrote: Just off the top of my head, I would check: - Power rails (with special attention to the +12V). - Mechanical issues, dirt or dust, around the sensor wheel. - Marginal signals around the shut-off circuit. -- Ron From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] 582 rewind and fast forward Hi My 582 doesn't always stop in the rewind mode when it rewinds to the beginning of the tape for some reason. The stop button has to be used manually to stop it from spinning. It doesn't happen all the time but sometimes it happens in the fast forward mode as well. In play it stops just fine at the end of the tape. I have a second transport and that one functions normally so I don't think it has anything to do with the board. Otherwise the deck plays very well and the control motor offset adjustment has been done according to the manual. Stop, play and cue are right on. Any ideas on this? Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 16 17:08:50 2013 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (Dave) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:08:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a DR1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31700D47-6A63-4B09-9590-BB169CEA0947@bellsouth.net> Make sure to de-gauss. Aside from that, perhaps you may want to align your heads using tapes recorded on the other decks as it seems like a tracking issue. >From David On Jun 15, 2013, at 13:48, Gerhard Wartha wrote: It looks like an play back amplifier problem or a meter amp problem. If you ore somebody has electronic knowledge he can check the playback amp. first look to the power supply for this amp. because the problem is on both channels. The track and azimuth alignment has to be perfect , and heads are clean?. If you not sure about that you can change the tape track for a moment by pushing or bulling the tape in a different track. Normal way would be to use a tape travel cassette. If the power voltage for this amp is all-right you can trace the signal through it to find a distortion stage. GERHARD VIENNA Am 11.06.2013 um 11:45 schrieb Emmanouil Komninos: > Hi to all NAK talkers! About a month ago i changed belts to a DR1 thanks to the tireless efforts and email help i received from Ron (BTW, thank you so much Ron!). > But now i have another problem which looks more complex, at least for my electronics skills.. > The deck is acting weird when i playback recorded tapes from any of my other NAK decks (which i know they are well calibrated and very well maintained) > The VUs of the DR1 do not go over +0db on recorded peaks that normally should be +3, +5db even +8db with any other deck.....This becomes even more evident when i playback normal prerecorded tapes... > I have tried some recordings with the DR1 using of course same source, tape type, etc . Playing back these recordings with the DR1 will produce high levels on its VUs (even though i hear some distortion) but when i playback these same recordings on any other deck (including a reference DRAGON) the recordings produce very low levels on high peaks (never exceeded 0db) > Recordings done with any of my other decks will never exceed 0db when playback on the DR1. (resulting of course in very low output signal to my pre amp!) > Any suggestion of what is happening with this DR1 (for which BTW i am the first owner) will be very much appreciated. This deck has very nice characteristics and would record and playback very close to my Dragon and CR-7 (all though it never gets the credits deserved when it comes to quality and sustainability when compared with other older 3header NAKs!) Thanking you in advance for your help, Manos,Athens Greece > . > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From russellstorey at westnet.com.au Mon Jun 17 02:50:32 2013 From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:50:32 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUIT In-Reply-To: <002e01ce69fb$dd808be0$9881a3a0$@com> References: <002301ce690f$cf49f6c0$6ddde440$@com> <000001ce6966$1a80c370$4f824a50$@com.au> <002e01ce69fb$dd808be0$9881a3a0$@com> Message-ID: <002501ce6af4$b0391ae0$10ab50a0$@com.au> Terry UK ? I would appreciate if you send me a copy of the doc or do you know someone that has a copy I can obtain it from ? Regards Russell From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Terry Finn Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013 5:10 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUIT Looks like the one I did , back in the day..... T. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of russellstorey Sent: 15 June 2013 02:17 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUIT Can someone supply the complete document please . TECHNICAL ANALYSIS , NAKAMICHI N670-N680 AUTO AZIMUTH AZIMUTH CIRCUITRY See Photo of page on UK Ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-680ZX-Casstte-Deck-/111096947774?pt=UK_S ound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19dde4e43e&nma=true&si=G8GxISih0c9%252BzQoJ%252BM6fQ%252FSMbog%253 D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Note sure if this is the Document name ? TECHNICAL ANALYSIS SERVICE INFO DOC. No: 00D-SI-3037 Regards , Russell From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Terry Finn Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 1:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A very nice 680Zx has just been listed on Ebay.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-680ZX-Casstte-Deck-/111096947774?pt=UK_S ound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19dde4e43e T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Terry Finn Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2013 9:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Possibly one of the best examples of a 680ZX to come on the market recently, + the extra's!!! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-680ZX-/111100070721?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_C assette_Tape_Players &hash=item19de148b41 T. _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3199/5919 - Release Date: 06/17/13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 00:38:15 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:38:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] DBX 224X noise reduction In-Reply-To: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi Roland, If your recordings are whisper quiet, leave the NR reduction out of it. Less is more because without NR, recordings sound more better and more natural. DBX is one of favourite NR, but with a quiet deck, you can easily hear the artefacts that the NR system imparts. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 22/06/2013, at 7:58 AM, goodguy wrote: > I am thinking of purchasing a DBX 224 or a DBX 3BX for my Dragon. > > But yet, I'm having a personal argument that I will realize any gain using it on my Dragon. My recordings are whisper quiet now and I do not use Dolby B or C at this time. > > So, for those of you who own either of those two units, is there a gain in audio quality to be realized? > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Jun 22 02:38:26 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:38:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DBX 224X noise reduction In-Reply-To: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: The 3BX is not a noise reduction unit and shouldn't be confused with a encode/decode device like the 224. The 3BX is a three band expander. It splits the audio frequency spectrum into three bands. In each band it makes the soft passages softer and the loud passages louder. It is an attempt to undo the compression (opposite of expansion) which is necessarily done in the disc mastering and original recording process. It's an interesting device and can be of benefit with certain recordings but, as with all things DBX, it's benefit in the system is a trade-off against the coloration it adds. As for the 224, it reduces noise more than Dolby but at a much greater cost in coloration of program material - specifically the kind of breathing that any broad band compander will provide. It's one of the big reasons that Dolby was and is the standard for both consumer and professional audio. Willy On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:58 PM, goodguy wrote: > I am thinking of purchasing a DBX 224 or a DBX 3BX for my Dragon. > > But yet, I'm having a personal argument that I will realize any gain using > it on my Dragon. My recordings are whisper quiet now and I do not use > Dolby B or C at this time. > > So, for those of you who own either of those two units, is there a gain in > audio quality to be realized? > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From imbobman at netzero.net Sat Jun 22 21:12:24 2013 From: imbobman at netzero.net (imbobman at netzero.net) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:12:24 GMT Subject: [naktalk]Re: DBX 224X noise reduction Message-ID: <20130622.141224.1384.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hi Folks, I’m new to the group. Thank you to all for your fine input on many subjects here. I’ll second what Bala & Willy said about the DBX 224 & 3BX. Having had both of these & using them for years, they really aren't needed with a Dragon. The 224 is overkill since a Dragon with Dolby C will have a S/N of over 70 dB with pretty much all tapes. How much music has a dynamic range of more?... Classical does but it’s not really needed. The 3BX is a dynamic range expander & increases the difference between the quiet/loud sounds. Its effect is adjustable ( up to 50% change on the original content) & can be beneficial on certain types of music more than others. (…like rock, pop, etc. ). ?..but, it sometimes produces artifacts like Willy mentioned (…the so-called ‘breathing/ pumping' sound as the dynamic range changes.) ..a rather odd sound. Though FWIW, the display lights showing increase (red)/ decrease (yellow) in the 3 bands ( high, medium & low) in real time, are rather sharp to watch. BobOn Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:58 PM, goodguy wrote:> I am thinking of purchasing a DBX 224 or a DBX 3BX for my Dragon.>> But yet, I'm having a personal argument that I will realize any gain using> it on my Dragon. My recordings are whisper quiet now and I do not use> Dolby B or C at this time.>> So, for those of you who own either of those two units, is there a gain in> audio quality to be realized?>> Roland ____________________________________________________________ Virgin Mobile® Official Site: Great Phones, Free Shipping & Plans Starting at $35/mo http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/51c5f73f3ff1a773f6116st03vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icsteelhead at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 04:59:18 2013 From: icsteelhead at gmail.com (Larry Casey) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:59:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DBX 224X noise reduction In-Reply-To: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: You do not have to buy it but if your interested I have a Nakamichi Hi Com noise reduction unit. I am the original owner and bought it new. It has been to Willy for new led lights and have him look it over a couple of years back. I have used it very sparingly and had it for my Revox reel to reel. I have sold the Revox and have a Teac that has internal dbx. The nak has the telefunken circuit that performs as well as the dbx without bass pumping which was the big knock on the dbx back when. If interested email me and when can discuss it. I have a zx7 and use dolby c and am extremely impressed. I think your dragon is fine without it but it is a classic nak in great shape with very little use and thats my sales pitch. cheers, KC On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM, goodguy wrote: > I am thinking of purchasing a DBX 224 or a DBX 3BX for my Dragon. > > But yet, I'm having a personal argument that I will realize any gain using > it on my Dragon. My recordings are whisper quiet now and I do not use > Dolby B or C at this time. > > So, for those of you who own either of those two units, is there a gain in > audio quality to be realized? > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 16:29:13 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:DBX 224X noise reduction In-Reply-To: <201306221217.r5MA7eVY004804@zxe.naks.com> References: <201306221217.r5MA7eVY004804@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1371911353.36019.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Roland, As Willy said, the 3dbx will give you artifacts from the encode/decode process. I have one and rarely use it. You might consider a dbx SNR-I. This is a single-ended NR device(no encode/decode). You can put it either before your deck to clean up as you record, or after your deck to leave your recorded material alone. Set up correctly, these machines give quieting similar to digital without the artifacts. The downside is finding one in ex shape. You don't need to calibrate it like the commercial dbx 224. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:58:59 -0400 From: goodguy Subject: [naktalk] DBX 224X noise reduction To: Nakamichi tapedecks Message-ID: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60 at vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I am thinking of purchasing a DBX 224 or a DBX 3BX for my Dragon. But yet, I'm having a personal argument that I will realize any gain using it on my Dragon.  My recordings are whisper quiet now and I do not use Dolby B or C at this time. So, for those of you who own either of those two units, is there a gain in audio quality to be realized? Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jun 22 21:16:34 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:16:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual Message-ID: <94b5cd0236f20d611341dc79508dca12.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Norman provided the missing 482 service manual and I've just added a link to it on the wiki page: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Enjoy! Wouter From josephjean at verizon.net Sat Jun 22 22:24:13 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:24:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DBX 224X noise reduction In-Reply-To: References: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0MOT00CKNA093L40@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Gentlemen, Thank you for the explanation and guidance on these two pieces of equipment. I'm glad that I understood that I wouldn't need either but wanted the voices of the Naktalk world to weigh in. Thanks! At 08:38 PM 6/21/2013, you wrote: >The 3BX is not a noise reduction unit and shouldn't be confused with >a encode/decode device like the 224. The 3BX is a three band >expander. It splits the audio frequency spectrum into three >bands. In each band it makes the soft passages softer and the loud >passages louder. It is an attempt to undo the compression (opposite >of expansion) which is necessarily done in the disc mastering and >original recording process. It's an interesting device and can be >of benefit with certain recordings but, as with all things DBX, it's >benefit in the system is a trade-off against the coloration it adds. >As for the 224, it reduces noise more than Dolby but at a much >greater cost in coloration of program material - specifically the >kind of breathing that any broad band compander will provide. It's >one of the big reasons that Dolby was and is the standard for both >consumer and professional audio. >Willy > > >On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:58 PM, goodguy ><josephjean at verizon.net> wrote: >I am thinking of purchasing a DBX 224 or a DBX 3BX for my Dragon. > >But yet, I'm having a personal argument that I will realize any gain >using it on my Dragon. My recordings are whisper quiet now and I do >not use Dolby B or C at this time. > >So, for those of you who own either of those two units, is there a >gain in audio quality to be realized? > >Roland > >When momentum meets resistance, push harder. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 22:54:44 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:DBX 224X noise reduction In-Reply-To: <201306221217.r5MA7eVY004804@zxe.naks.com> References: <201306221217.r5MA7eVY004804@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1371934484.76521.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I think my S/N ratio might be a tad better than that with the dbx SNR-I, but I don't have the test equipment to verify that. Folks that listen to my system from tape think I'm playing digital. The single-ended SNR-I even helps with vinyl surface noise. 70dB from C is excellent though and more than adequate as you say, for most music. Only the demands of classical with quiet passages would benefit from more....at least to our human ears. Kermit Gray, a fine engineer that used to be a regular here, said he got as much as 80dB from a 224. I have the remote Dolby C unit for my 700ZXL. I use C exclusively and love it, even on the 'lowly'(to people like Bala), RX-505. The dbx 3BX yes, was fun with its light show and throbbing, attenuated bass from rock, jazz etc. But like stages of equalizers, we outgrew them. If you have to 'process' your music that much, then you should consider what's wrong with your speakers, perhaps the music source itself and/or your listening environ. The cleaner/truer to source, the better. Kevin ________________________________ Hi Folks, I’m new to the group. Thank you to all for your fine input on many subjects here. I’ll second what Bala & Willy said about the DBX 224 & 3BX. Having had both of these & using them for years, they really aren't needed with a Dragon. The 224 is overkill since a Dragon with Dolby C will have a S/N of over 70 dB with pretty much all tapes. How much music has a dynamic range of more?... Classical does but it’s not really needed.The 3BX is a dynamic range expander & increases the difference between the quiet/loud sounds. Its effect is adjustable( up to 50% change on the original content) & can be beneficial on certain types of music more than others.(…like rock, pop, etc. ). ?..but, it sometimes produces artifacts like Willy mentioned (…the so-called ‘breathing/ pumping' sound as the dynamic range changes.) ..a rather odd sound. Though FWIW, the display lights showing increase (red)/ decrease (yellow) in the 3 bands ( high, medium & low)  in real time, are rather sharp to watch. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:58:59 -0400 From: goodguy Subject: [naktalk] DBX 224X noise reduction To: Nakamichi tapedecks Message-ID: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60 at vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I am thinking of purchasing a DBX 224 or a DBX 3BX for my Dragon. But yet, I'm having a personal argument that I will realize any gain using it on my Dragon.  My recordings are whisper quiet now and I do not use Dolby B or C at this time. So, for those of you who own either of those two units, is there a gain in audio quality to be realized? Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gfuentes at mminternet.com Sun Jun 23 02:57:10 2013 From: gfuentes at mminternet.com (Greg Fuentes) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:57:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 124, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <201306221217.r5MA7eVY004804@zxe.naks.com> References: <201306221217.r5MA7eVY004804@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <51C647E6.3080901@mminternet.com> I used a 224x with my CR7A for many years, but mostly for decoding purposes. I had created many tapes using dbx encoding with a Technics tape deck in the early to mid 80s. When I upgraded to the CR7A, I needed a decoding tool, so I bought the 224x. As a decoding tool, the 224x works fine. I only created a few tapes using the CR7A in conjunction with the 224x's dbx encoding. In some of the quiet passages, I could hear some "breathing." Of course, I could have adjusted 224x's encoding settings some to reduce the breathing while probably also reducing the benefits provided by the 224x. I'm not sure if the tradeoffs using the 224x with a Dragon would be worth it. That said, 224xs are inexpensive enough last time I looked on ebay so that buying one for experimentation purposes and the occasional dbx decoding purposes shouldn't lead to much of a hit on one's wallet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:58:59 -0400 From: goodguy Subject: [naktalk] DBX 224X noise reduction To: Nakamichi tapedecks Message-ID: <0MOR00A0FJQ7WJ60 at vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I am thinking of purchasing a DBX 224 or a DBX 3BX for my Dragon. But yet, I'm having a personal argument that I will realize any gain using it on my Dragon. My recordings are whisper quiet now and I do not use Dolby B or C at this time. So, for those of you who own either of those two units, is there a gain in audio quality to be realized? Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From psycho at rayhogan.net Wed Jun 26 03:28:07 2013 From: psycho at rayhogan.net (Hogan Ray) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:28:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 Issue Message-ID: <61E37C5F-14C0-4C12-9ED3-EB213B781674@rayhogan.net> My 582 won't play or record, but it rewinds and fast forwards. The green "Stop" light does not go on when power is switched on, and, if my memory serves me correctly this could be the culprit. If it is, what's the fix and can I do it myself? Thanks Ray Hogan Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best. - Frank Zappa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Willy On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Hogan Ray wrote: > My 582 won't play or record, but it rewinds and fast forwards. > > The green "Stop" light does not go on when power is switched on, and, if > my memory serves me correctly this could be the culprit. > > If it is, what's the fix and can I do it myself? > > Thanks > > Ray Hogan > > > > > Information is not knowledge. > Knowledge is not wisdom. > Wisdom is not truth. > Truth is not beauty. > Beauty is not love. > Love is not music. > Music is the best. - Frank Zappa > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I remove the cassette it will rewind and fastfoward but it will only play for a second or two. Any suggestions on where to start? Cheers, Jason Woolman Senior Archivist/RM Specialist Musqueam First Nation 6735 Salish Drive Vancouver, BC V6N 4C4 Phone: (604) 269-3346 Fax: (604) 263-4212 jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca Confidentiality Note: This message (and its attachments) is Confidential. It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden. If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 28 10:26:14 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:26:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A playback issue In-Reply-To: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A022C0@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A022C0@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> Message-ID: <0B3EB96C-35FF-424D-80A8-F090B261344A@yahoo.com> Hi Jason, Do you notice any abnormal flickering from the transport buttons lights? Sent from my iPhone On 28/06/2013, at 2:46 AM, Jason Woolman wrote: > Greetings, > > I use a pair of CR-7As in our archives for digitizing our oral histories. As of today, one of the machines will play for 1-2 seconds then stop. If I hit play again it will play for 1-2 seconds then stop. Fastforwardomg and rewinding are also not working now. I can hear the motor whir and the nobs start to turn a hair but nothing. > > Any suggestions on where to start? > > Many thanks in advance, > Jason Woolman > Senior Archivist/RM Specialist > Musqueam First Nation > > Confidentiality Note: This message (and its attachments) is Confidential. It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden. If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message. Thank you. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Fri Jun 28 11:16:11 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:16:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A question In-Reply-To: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A02674@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A02674@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> Message-ID: Hi Jason, Mostly there are two most common problems. There is a dead spot on the reelmotor, or your cr7 uses a rubber idler and has to be replaced. The modified ones uses no idler but a gear construction. But ofcourse several other problems can give this problems. Greetings Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 28 jun. 2013 om 00:59 heeft Jason Woolman het volgende geschreven: > Greetings, > > I use a pair of CR-7As in our archives for digitizing our oral histories. As of today, one of the machines will play for 1-2 seconds then stop. If I hit play again it will play for 1-2 seconds then stop. Fastforwarding and rewinding are also not working now. I can hear the motor whir and the nobs start to turn a hair but nothing. If I remove the cassette it will rewind and fastfoward but it will only play for a second or two. > > Any suggestions on where to start? > > > Cheers, > Jason Woolman > Senior Archivist/RM Specialist > Musqueam First Nation > 6735 Salish Drive > Vancouver, BC V6N 4C4 > Phone: (604) 269-3346 > Fax: (604) 263-4212 > jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca > > Confidentiality Note: This message (and its attachments) is Confidential. It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden. If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message. Thank you. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jun 28 15:24:05 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A question In-Reply-To: References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A02674@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1372425845.38316.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Actually, I would suspect the idler tire, rather than the reel motor. This is because the OP also reported problems with FF/REW, which are less likely if the reel motor has dead spots. Luckily, the idler tire is both cheap and easy to replace. To verify, thoroughly clean the idler tire rim with a Q-tip dampened with isopropyl alcohol. If this solves the problem (even though temporarily), just replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron   >________________________________ > From: Ziggo >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:16 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A question > > > >Hi Jason, > > >Mostly there are two most common problems. There is a dead spot on the reelmotor, or your cr7 uses a rubber idler and has to be replaced. The modified ones uses no idler but a gear construction. But ofcourse several other problems can give this problems. > > >Greetings > > >Norman > >Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > >Op 28 jun. 2013 om 00:59 heeft Jason Woolman het volgende geschreven: > > > >>Greetings, >>  >>I use a pair of CR-7As in our archives for digitizing our oral histories. As of today, one of the machines will play for 1-2 seconds then stop. If I hit play again it will play for 1-2 seconds then stop. Fastforwarding and rewinding are also not working now. I can hear the motor whir and the nobs start to turn a hair but nothing. If I remove the cassette it will rewind and fastfoward but it will only play for a second or two. >>  >>Any suggestions on where to start? >>  >>  >>Cheers, >>Jason Woolman >>Senior Archivist/RM Specialist >>Musqueam First Nation >>6735 Salish Drive >>Vancouver, BC V6N 4C4 >>Phone: (604) 269-3346 >>Fax: (604) 263-4212 >>jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca >>  >>Confidentiality Note: This message (and its attachments) is Confidential.  It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden.  If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message.  Thank you. >>  >>  >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 28 15:37:50 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A playback issue In-Reply-To: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A022C0@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> References: <4EF91941F66579468E6FE8187A052C0811A022C0@MIBEX.int.musqueam.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1372426670.12887.YahooMailNeo@web120904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Jason, The most common issue is a worn idler tire if the deck has one. Remove the black cover of the transport from inside the cassette well after removing 2 screws.(black) If the deck has an idler tire, replace it with one from ebay being sold by ESL( Nakamichi service). They even give instructions or it is in the Nak wiki pages. It is very easy to do and takes close to 5 minutes max. The very fact you mention it plays for 1-2 minutes indicated as this to be the issue. Let us know if it is, pending further troubleshooting. Ram. ________________________________ From: Jason Woolman To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A playback issue Greetings,   I use a pair of CR-7As in our archives for digitizing our oral histories. As of today, one of the machines will play for 1-2 seconds then stop. If I hit play again it will play for 1-2 seconds then stop. Fastforwardomg and rewinding are also not working now. I can hear the motor whir and the nobs start to turn a hair but nothing.   Any suggestions on where to start?   Many thanks in advance, Jason Woolman Senior Archivist/RM Specialist Musqueam First Nation   Confidentiality Note: This message (and its attachments) is Confidential.  It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden.  If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message.  Thank you.     ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 1 22:38:49 2013 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:38:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK Remote Wanted In-Reply-To: <006801ce0bd2$cf4757c0$6dd60740$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1362173929.82810.YahooMailClassic@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, How much did it sell for?Bob --- On Fri, 2/15/13, Scott Winter wrote: From: Scott Winter Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Remote Wanted To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, February 15, 2013, 3:18 PM Hi-  I sold one a little while ago, but I have an RC-2 and RC-3 new-in-the-box if anyone is interested-Scott  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ken.crum Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAK Remote Wanted   Wanting to buy a Nak RM 200 remote.  Can pay via paypal.  Thanks  Ken Sent from Samsung tablet -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 6 13:23:44 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:23:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] donation of a BX-300 in Brooklyn NYC Message-ID: <56ef24c04bcee35c98f36f0e75e92740.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The owner added the following message: "Deck was overhauled 10 years ago. Something in the drive chain has broken --won't advance tape nor eject cassette." So anyone next to NYC willing to pick it up... contact me off-list and I will bring you in contact. Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 6 16:05:41 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:05:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] donation of a BX-300 in Brooklyn NYC In-Reply-To: <56ef24c04bcee35c98f36f0e75e92740.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <56ef24c04bcee35c98f36f0e75e92740.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: We have a new parent-to-be for this deck and another one as a backup, so it found a new home! Wouter > The owner added the following message: > > "Deck was overhauled 10 years ago. Something in the drive chain has broken > --won't advance tape nor eject cassette." > > So anyone next to NYC willing to pick it up... contact me off-list and I > will bring you in contact. > > Wouter From ken.crum at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 7 11:53:26 2013 From: ken.crum at sbcglobal.net (Ken.Crum) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:53:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Simple Question Message-ID: <4fnvyjnh9sndvrormo7c4b5p.1362653333380@email.android.com> When a Dragon is playing a cassette and it comes to the end of side 1 will it automatically by itself with no human intervention change directions and play side two? Thanks Ken Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ II Skyrocket™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Willy On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Ken.Crum wrote: > > When a Dragon is playing a cassette and it comes to the end of side 1 will > it automatically by itself with no human intervention change directions and > play side two? > > Thanks > > Ken > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ II Skyrocket™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4fnvyjnh9sndvrormo7c4b5p.1362653333380@email.android.com> References: <4fnvyjnh9sndvrormo7c4b5p.1362653333380@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5A245AFC-5ECD-459B-9CFA-B451AFBD69BE@gmail.com> There is a switch to control the Auto-reverse. The switch is near the LED meters. AUTO REV. On/ OFF Am 07.03.2013 um 11:53 schrieb Ken.Crum: > > When a Dragon is playing a cassette and it comes to the end of side > 1 will it automatically by itself with no human intervention change > directions and play side two? > > Thanks > > Ken > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ II Skyrocket™, an AT&T 4G LTE > smartphone. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So I went ahead and installed the belt and the deck has excellent w/f ( within specs) and no issue at all. Fits perfectly in the Sankyo flywheels. This being a revelation, can Fred or anyone throw any light on the differences between the 2 belts if any? I saw no difference between the two in looks or performance! Thanks. Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Fri Mar 8 13:32:56 2013 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:32:56 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] MX100 microphone mixer Message-ID: <5139DA78.4060503@paradise.net.nz> Hi I bought one of these years ago....but never sourced the PS100 power supply for it. Are these (the MX-100) still sought after? I am thinking of selling it. Thanks Brett From spok2000 at gmx.de Sat Mar 9 11:49:59 2013 From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:49:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MX100 microphone mixer In-Reply-To: <201303091125.r29B8C8C011383@zxe.naks.com> References: <201303091125.r29B8C8C011383@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: > Hi, > I bought one of these years ago....but never sourced the PS100 power > supply for it. > Are these (the MX-100) still sought after? > > I am thinking of selling it. > > Thanks > Brett One could find these for peanuts at eBay. No one really seems to want it anymore. Recently there was one here that ended about 30 bucks including the power supply. Besides, it's got no phantom power. Offering it here might be the better idea. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I did it often and really treasure my efforts as do the muisicians who have recieved the recordings. ________________________________ From: "naktalk-request at naks.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 5:16 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to     naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at     naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics:   1. MX100 microphone mixer (Brett Dickel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:32:56 +1300 From: Brett Dickel Subject: [naktalk] MX100 microphone mixer To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <5139DA78.4060503 at paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi I bought one of these years ago....but never sourced the PS100 power supply for it. Are these (the MX-100) still sought after? I am thinking of selling it. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Mar 9 17:08:26 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:08:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: MX100 microphone mixer In-Reply-To: <201303091116.r29B8C8B011383@zxe.naks.com> References: <201303091116.r29B8C8B011383@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1362845306.88169.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Brett, I have the PS-100, the MX-100 and the CM-300. Your MX-100 would sell better with the other gear as well. Who knows though...maybe someone is just searching for the MX-100 to complete a set. I paid a lot for all that gear six yrs or so ago, albeit it was all in original boxes and pristine. The mic batteries I found with a google search...I had been told they were unobtainium, they are not. Kevin  ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:32:56 +1300 From: Brett Dickel Subject: [naktalk] MX100 microphone mixer To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <5139DA78.4060503 at paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi I bought one of these years ago....but never sourced the PS100 power supply for it. Are these (the MX-100) still sought after? I am thinking of selling it. 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Message-ID: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi, Please check out: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments.  Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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FUNNY! > > >Hi, > > >Please check out: >http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F > > >This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. >Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments.  > > >Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! > > >Ram. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 17:20:28 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1362932428.74425.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay IME, many sellers like that are on ebay. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: shanti ramachandran >To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:01 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! > > >Hi, > > >Please check out: >http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F > > >This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. >Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments.  > > >Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! > > >Ram. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The mic batteries I found with a google search...I had > been told they were unobtainium, they are not. > > Kevin > On 9/03/2013 11:49 p.m., spok2000 at gmx.de wrote: > One could find these for peanuts at eBay. No one really seems to want it anymore. > Recently there was one here that ended about 30 bucks including the power supply. > Besides, it's got no phantom power. > Offering it here might be the better ide > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ** > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:32:56 +1300 > From: Brett Dickel > > Subject: [naktalk] MX100 microphone mixer > To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <5139DA78.4060503 at paradise.net.nz > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi > I bought one of these years ago....but never sourced the PS100 power > supply for it. > Are these (the MX-100) still sought after? > > I am thinking of selling it. > > Thanks > Brett > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5 > *************************************** > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6157 - Release Date: 03/08/13 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hockeyeast at yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 14:28:25 2013 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:28:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on eBay In-Reply-To: <201303101115.r2AB7kvX011173@zxe.naks.com> References: <201303101115.r2AB7kvX011173@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <74C0E4C6-D190-46F8-A25E-06D543136864@yahoo.com> That is very strange. Someone is going to be disappointed. No 680 that I know of! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:15 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. MX100 microphone mixer (spok2000 at gmx.de) > 2. Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5 (brian morahan) > 3. Re: MX100 microphone mixer (Kevin Fetner) > 4. Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! (shanti ramachandran) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:49:59 +0100 > From: "spok2000 at gmx.de" > Subject: [naktalk] MX100 microphone mixer > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> Hi, >> I bought one of these years ago....but never sourced the PS100 power >> supply for it. >> Are these (the MX-100) still sought after? >> >> I am thinking of selling it. >> >> Thanks >> Brett > > One could find these for peanuts at eBay. No one really seems to want it anymore. > Recently there was one here that ended about 30 bucks including the power supply. > Besides, it's got no phantom power. > Offering it here might be the better idea. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: smime.p7s > Type: application/pkcs7-signature > Size: 2278 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130309/9eb5a8ad/smime-0001.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 04:51:47 -0800 (PST) > From: brian morahan > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5 > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > <1362833507.12100.YahooMailNeo at web162805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The mixer is a terrific way to record music and some of the Nak decks have a connection built into them. My > > 680 has the power supply.. Nakamichi produced a booklet explaining the advantages of recording with left, right and center channel inputs. I often wonder what the catalouge of recordings made this way is. I did it often and really treasure my efforts as do the muisicians who have recieved the recordings. > > ________________________________ > From: "naktalk-request at naks.com" > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 5:16 AM > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. MX100 microphone mixer (Brett Dickel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:32:56 +1300 > From: Brett Dickel > Subject: [naktalk] MX100 microphone mixer > To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <5139DA78.4060503 at paradise.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi > I bought one of these years ago....but never sourced the PS100 power > supply for it. > Are these (the MX-100) still sought after? > > I am thinking of selling it. > > Thanks > Brett > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5 > *************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130309/4a19870e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:08:26 -0800 (PST) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MX100 microphone mixer > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > <1362845306.88169.YahooMailNeo at web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Brett, > I have the PS-100, the MX-100 and the CM-300. Your MX-100 would sell better with the other gear as well. Who knows though...maybe someone is just searching for the MX-100 to complete a set. I paid a lot for all that gear six yrs or so ago, albeit it was all in original boxes and pristine. The mic batteries I found with a google search...I had been told they were unobtainium, they are not. > > Kevin > > > > ________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:32:56 +1300 > From: Brett Dickel > Subject: [naktalk] MX100 microphone mixer > To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <5139DA78.4060503 at paradise.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi > I bought one of these years ago....but never sourced the PS100 power > supply for it. > Are these (the MX-100) still sought after? > > I am thinking of selling it. > > Thanks > Brett > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5 > *************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130309/72819037/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:01:08 -0800 (PST) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! > To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo at web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Please check out: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F > > This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. > Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments. > > Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! > > Ram. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130309/e1215fea/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 6 > *************************************** From icmllc at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 18:44:58 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:44:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> Why not report fraud to ebay? Ashvin On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Hi, > > Please check out: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F > > This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. > Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments. > > Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! > > Ram. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Sun Mar 10 21:47:07 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:47:07 -0300 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1362932428.74425.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B4C2@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Well, I must admit that this clone of a 680ZX is the first "innocent (?)" scam I hear of! Although I am not looking for one (I am a happy owner of a gorgeous 660), I'm surprised to learn that this actually happens... Thank you for pointing it out to us all!! Rodrigo Krause Rodrigo Krause dos Santos Rocha Superintendente de RI Multiplan Empreendimentos S.A. ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: shanti ramachandran ; Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Sun Mar 10 13:20:28 2013 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! > I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay IME, many sellers like that are on ebay. -- Ron ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Hi, Please check out: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments. Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! 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URL: From reformedtaper at hotmail.com Sun Mar 10 23:11:36 2013 From: reformedtaper at hotmail.com (Reformed Taper) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:11:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MX100 power supply Message-ID: The MX 100 can be powered off batteries if you don't have a PS-100. You can build a power supply very easily. Here is a link to a forum that will provide information on building a power supply or modifying it for power. http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=18505.0 Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 00:44:41 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the existence of this "680" and see what he says? Jayson ________________________________ From: Ashvin Srivastava To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Why not report fraud to ebay? Ashvin On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi, > > >Please check out: >http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F > > >This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. >Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments.  > > >Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! > > >Ram. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jayson ________________________________ From: Ashvin Srivastava To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Why not report fraud to ebay? Ashvin On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi, > > >Please check out: >http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F > > >This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. >Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments.  > > >Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! > > >Ram. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 11:52:59 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:52:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I know nothing about the 680 otherwise I would have confronted the seller. I just built a recording studio. Bought a lot of equipment on ebay. Some experiences were horrible. Ashvin On Mar 10, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the existence of this "680" and see what he says? > > Jayson > > > From: Ashvin Srivastava > To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! > > Why not report fraud to ebay? > > Ashvin > > On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Please check out: >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F >> >> This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. >> Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments. >> >> Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! >> >> Ram. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 12:44:41 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:44:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DAA7113-7422-4686-923B-D59C9D451338@yahoo.com> Gents ( and ladies), Buying items on line is inherently risky. With eBay and PayPal, certain mechanism are available to protect both parties. What matters most is that the buyer does his research carefully to ascertain that what he sees is what he wants, and what he gets. This is where forums like Naktalk are invaluable as members can give guidance. There's nothing to stop people from selling or buying such items. But at least with such a platform, the buyer is then more aware of what he will be getting. I hope whoever is thinking of bidding this item would read or would ask forum members for their views. It's a free country where I live. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 11 Mar, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the existence of this "680" and see what he says? > > Jayson > > > From: Ashvin Srivastava > To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! > > Why not report fraud to ebay? > > Ashvin > > On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Please check out: >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F >> >> This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. >> Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments. >> >> Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! >> >> Ram. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 11 13:42:38 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:42:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <3DAA7113-7422-4686-923B-D59C9D451338@yahoo.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3DAA7113-7422-4686-923B-D59C9D451338@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3e975e775b3bcf21e0b47f465bf5ee5d.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Interesting, the item was sold for US $305.00! And that for a 'frankenstein' deck, amazing. Wouter > Gents ( and ladies), > > Buying items on line is inherently risky. With eBay and PayPal, certain > mechanism are available to protect both parties. What matters most is that > the buyer does his research carefully to ascertain that what he sees is > what he wants, and what he gets. This is where forums like Naktalk are > invaluable as members can give guidance. There's nothing to stop people > from selling or buying such items. But at least with such a platform, the > buyer is then more aware of what he will be getting. > > I hope whoever is thinking of bidding this item would read or would ask > forum members for their views. It's a free country where I live. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 11 Mar, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > >> Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the >> existence of this "680" and see what he says? >> >> Jayson >> >> >> From: Ashvin Srivastava >> To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! >> >> Why not report fraud to ebay? >> >> Ashvin >> >> On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Please check out: >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F >>> >>> This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a >>> 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He >>> claims the deck to be working. >>> Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 >>> inch level adjustments. >>> >>> Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the >>> person ending up winning this unit! >>> >>> Ram. >>> From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 14:24:07 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363008247.39297.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I did and there was no response. I did file a fraud listing with bray. Dont know what happened. Ram. ________________________________ From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the existence of this "680" and see what he says? Jayson ________________________________ From: Ashvin Srivastava To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Why not report fraud to ebay? Ashvin On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi, > > >Please check out: >http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F > > >This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. >Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments.  > > >Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! > > >Ram. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 14:28:56 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 06:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <3e975e775b3bcf21e0b47f465bf5ee5d.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3DAA7113-7422-4686-923B-D59C9D451338@yahoo.com> <3e975e775b3bcf21e0b47f465bf5ee5d.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1363008536.68827.YahooMailNeo@web120901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ..so ebay did nothing about my fraud filing. .....and the buyer is an ebay new bee. Feel really sorry for the bloke. Ram. ________________________________ From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Interesting, the item was sold for US $305.00! And that for a 'frankenstein' deck, amazing. Wouter > Gents ( and ladies), > > Buying items on line is inherently risky. With eBay and PayPal, certain > mechanism are available to protect both parties. What matters most is that > the buyer does his research carefully to ascertain that what he sees is > what he wants, and what he gets. This is where forums like Naktalk are > invaluable as members can give guidance. There's nothing to stop people > from selling or buying such items. But at least with such a platform, the > buyer is then more aware of what he will be getting. > > I hope whoever is thinking of bidding this item would read or would ask > forum members for their views. It's a free country where I live. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 11 Mar, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > >> Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the >> existence of this "680" and see what he says? >> >> Jayson >> >> >> From: Ashvin Srivastava >> To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! >> >> Why not report fraud to ebay? >> >> Ashvin >> >> On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Please check out: >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F >>> >>> This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a >>> 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He >>> claims the deck to be working. >>> Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 >>> inch level adjustments. >>> >>> Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the >>> person ending up winning this unit! >>> >>> Ram. >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Mon Mar 11 15:23:23 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:23:23 -0300 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1362959604.46632.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com><1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1362959604.46632.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC405C1E86A@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi everyone. I did ask the seller if he was aware of the apparent misrepresentation of the 680ZX and he said that all he does is sell what he gets. In fact, the deck says "680" and that´s what he is offering... I did suggest that he look in the back to check if the back panel also had been "changed", to which he answered: "Yes you are correct. It has been brought to my attention that is a 660zx with a 680 cassette door. I`m not an expert or enthusiast of electronics. My bad. tried to cancel the auction but it was under 12 hours. - superbutchie Regards to all, Rodrigo Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Jayson Levitz Enviada em: domingo, 10 de março de 2013 20:53 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! I apologize for this personnel note: Ram, I believe you live near me. I live in Queens. Jayson ________________________________ From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the existence of this "680" and see what he says? Jayson ________________________________ From: Ashvin Srivastava To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Why not report fraud to ebay? Ashvin On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi, Please check out: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the deck to be working. Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 inch level adjustments. Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the person ending up winning this unit! Ram. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Mar 11 16:13:37 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:13:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1362870068.42222.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <25126B84-CA6D-4B20-A17C-6D9333B0DCE1@gmail.com> <1362959081.23013.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I did send a message to the seller asking if he knew he was selling a "hybrid" which would never work. I got no reply and my question was not publicly posted. Gotta love eBay! Willy On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the > existence of this "680" and see what he says? > > Jayson > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ashvin Srivastava > *To:* shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! > > Why not report fraud to ebay? > > Ashvin > > On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran > wrote: > > Hi, > > Please check out: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F > > This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a 680 > cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He claims the > deck to be working. > Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 > inch level adjustments. > > Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the > person ending up winning this unit! > > Ram. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Mon Mar 11 16:49:41 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:49:41 -0300 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! In-Reply-To: <1363008536.68827.YahooMailNeo@web120901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B4CA@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> So did I Ram.... I hope the buyer really wanted the Frankenstein for parts... Rodrigo Krause dos Santos Rocha Superintendente de RI Multiplan Empreendimentos S.A. ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Mon Mar 11 10:28:56 2013 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! ..so ebay did nothing about my fraud filing. .....and the buyer is an ebay new bee. Feel really sorry for the bloke. Ram. ________________________________ From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! Interesting, the item was sold for US $305.00! And that for a 'frankenstein' deck, amazing. Wouter > Gents ( and ladies), > > Buying items on line is inherently risky. With eBay and PayPal, certain > mechanism are available to protect both parties. What matters most is that > the buyer does his research carefully to ascertain that what he sees is > what he wants, and what he gets. This is where forums like Naktalk are > invaluable as members can give guidance. There's nothing to stop people > from selling or buying such items. But at least with such a platform, the > buyer is then more aware of what he will be getting. > > I hope whoever is thinking of bidding this item would read or would ask > forum members for their views. It's a free country where I live. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 11 Mar, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > >> Why not confront the seller directly by asking him a question about the >> existence of this "680" and see what he says? >> >> Jayson >> >> >> From: Ashvin Srivastava >> To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Curious 680 on ebay! FUNNY! >> >> Why not report fraud to ebay? >> >> Ashvin >> >> On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:01 PM, shanti ramachandran >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Please check out: >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECK-NAKAMICHI-680-DISCRETE-HEAD-NAKAMICHI-680-ZX-DECK-/130863385523?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D6131022696725931748%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130863385523%26F >>> >>> This ad shows a 680 for sale. However, it mostly is the 660ZX with a >>> 680 cover frame. I cant believe sellers like this exist on ebay. He >>> claims the deck to be working. >>> Imagine a 680 with needle meters, no half speed capability and no 15/16 >>> inch level adjustments. >>> >>> Man, I feel for the guys/gals who have bid on this and feel bad for the >>> person ending up winning this unit! >>> >>> Ram. >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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Looking at that ebay deck, it looks like it has controls below the transport for that manual adjustment. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Mar 11 21:46:18 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:46:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 (not ZX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tony - You are right - there is a 680. However, it was a three head, two speed machine which had calibration points for record level at both speeds. You'll note that there are a series of holes in the inner faceplate insert. The right six have small white pots showing. The left six have wiring and the inside of the deck showing. Also, there is no source/tape switch above the power switch - and the 680 had those pretty blue flouroscan meters. This has the needle-reading meters. It's a 660ZX deck with at least the plastic insert from a 680 if not the transport too. Willy On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: > I have no affiliation with the seller, but I think that that is probably a > legitimate deck. I have memory of there being a Nak 680 briefly with not > many sales before the 680/670/660zx line came out. If I recall correctly, > and I may not, the "original" 680 did the azimuth adjustment manually, > whereas the zx models did it automatically via microprocessor (which would > have cost a lot more in those days). Looking at that ebay deck, it looks > like it has controls below the transport for that manual adjustment. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 23:04:06 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:04:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 (not ZX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony, I beg to disagree. Look at that deck. A 680 always had source/ tape button. This one does not. The 681zx and the 660zx did not have the buttons either. A 680 never had needle meters. The 680 and its upscale brother the 680 ZX were the first decks to have the blue fluorescent meters. If this was the 680, why is there Needle meters? So now it is a 660zx and not a 681zx. Finally every 680 ever made was a 2 speed deck with level adjustments for both speeds. I have both decks and so I know. This one has the output knob instead of the speed control knob. Moreover, the level control holes are there for the slow speed but no pots to adjust. Wires are showing from the holes in the face for the lower speed. This is essentially a 660 ZX! With the facade of a 680. Look also at the azimuth adjustment area of the picture. It looks strange and I do not see an adjustment small black knob below the well. Again, I pity the winner who will pay $305 plus shipping for a mutilated Nakamichi. Sent from my iPad On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: > I have no affiliation with the seller, but I think that that is probably a legitimate deck. I have memory of there being a Nak 680 briefly with not many sales before the 680/670/660zx line came out. If I recall correctly, and I may not, the "original" 680 did the azimuth adjustment manually, whereas the zx models did it automatically via microprocessor (which would have cost a lot more in those days). Looking at that ebay deck, it looks like it has controls below the transport for that manual adjustment. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 08:31:26 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:31:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 (not ZX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F18DF76-C035-4804-BB69-73CD9615F246@yahoo.com> Ho Tony, I am not sure if the plain 680 had metal capability either. It was a transition period where manufacturers had decks coming out with decks that had metal capabilities. There were a few case of similar models with and without metal tape capability. But both versions of the 680s had fluorescent meters and half speed capability. That itself is a giveaway that this is not quite the deck. And and off eBay, these things do happen. I once bought a SME arm from a dealer. Eventually, it was found that the arm was put together with parts from different versions. It probably wouldn't have worked properly. As I said, it's an inherent risk when you deal in used anything. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 12 Mar, 2013, at 5:49 AM, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: > I have no affiliation with the seller, but I think that that is probably a legitimate deck. I have memory of there being a Nak 680 briefly with not many sales before the 680/670/660zx line came out. If I recall correctly, and I may not, the "original" 680 did the azimuth adjustment manually, whereas the zx models did it automatically via microprocessor (which would have cost a lot more in those days). Looking at that ebay deck, it looks like it has controls below the transport for that manual adjustment. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From erstedbar at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 00:38:52 2013 From: erstedbar at yahoo.com (Ersted Bar) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] :),680,680ZX,660,twoo in one?!:))))... Message-ID: <1363045132.27087.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web141006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> :),Hi my friend:). I can not come in to the site naaktalk.regarding 680ZX on eBay:)) ... I give a quote for the parts!, but only after,I see what the problem was?!:))... Unbelievable but t rue!I give up on buying...Greet those who love Nakamichi...especially 680ZX! Greetings Erstedbar...Salesman came to me and apologized for the mistake in the unit:)... Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion... From 22op877 at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 18:28:50 2013 From: 22op877 at gmail.com (Tony White) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 vs mutilated 660zx Message-ID: Ok, thanks to Willy and Ram for the information and I agree with them that that this is not a 680 deck. I could barely remembered the existence of the 680 deck, it is very rare. Looks like someone out there is engaging in very corrupt behavior. Perhaps a reseller who does not know Nakamichi might mistakenly resell this mutilated deck not knowing what it was, but *somebody* did the mutilation, and that person knew. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drucyphr at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 03:06:45 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:06:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions In-Reply-To: <1357398253.63554.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1355325763.85270.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <002a01cde7ac$5463f300$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <5D5E04D0-E8F3-45CB-84AA-B8EA61180CA0@bellsouth.net> <1357398253.63554.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greetings. I am putting together a parts list for a recap on my BX-300 and need some advice. I have found replacements for all the power supply electrolytic caps (C401-404, C409-412) except for C403 10,000 uF 16v. Are Nichicon FG suitable replacements? Does anyone have a suggestion for the 10,000uF 16v replacement(preferably from Mouser)? Are there any other components I should order while I'm at it? Thanks, Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Mar 13 12:41:25 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:41:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 660zx/680 faceplate Message-ID: <515519459-1363174886-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2106990034-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Why all the nefarious assumptions here? My lord, it sure looks obvious to me. The PO owned a 660zx that he used, and had happen to him what was all too common. He broke the eject lever off, internally, when he tried to eject a tape that was still running. We all know that was a poor design by Nak. So he looks around for a way to fix it, and of course, there is none. (well not easy). He inquires about and finds he can get a 680 faceplate, and that will work just fine. It even looks like he took pretty good care of it. End of story. Then like all the other Naks we buy, it had sat unused for years, so off it goes. The seller, who knows nothing except what he sees, typical on eBay, sells it for what it appears to be. Heck, I would have bought it, except I agree, $305 is too high, in the US for that. It is far less an issue than a friend that bought a ZX-9 for a decent price (for a 9), and opened it up to find someone had done a kluge and installed a Dragon transport, that only sort of worked. Perry Esposito - From my phone From drucyphr at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 15:06:19 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:06:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 transistor replacements Message-ID: Can anyone help me find replacements for the following transistors in the BX-300? Q401,403, 2SC945L Q402,404, 2SA733 Q407, 408 2SC2002 Thank you, Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 17:37:29 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:37:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] new member Message-ID: hello, new member here, i just bought an old 480 cassette deck. seems like it could need some meds to make it feel better. i'm a beginner, so i'm guessing i should try to some maintenance i can do to myself first. any recommendations out there on what to do for starters and what materials to get for it. as well as a basic operators manual and a service manual / schematics I noticed there are calibration tapes out there, anyone know i can get my hands on some? i noticed the seller on ebay from spain that makes some, pricey, and i read they were only model specific. any other options out there is there a search function on the forum threads? thanks in advance /cy From luis at peromarta.org Wed Mar 13 19:52:04 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:52:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7627B553-5726-4A01-A178-C56F8E4B40E6@peromarta.org> Hi Cyrus. I am Luis, the guy from Spain. The tapes I sell are good for any Nakamichi deck! Should you have any question please do not hesitate to ask! With best regards. LP Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 13/03/2013, a las 17:37, Cyrus escribió: > > hello, > > new member here, i just bought an old 480 cassette deck. > seems like it could need some meds to make it feel better. > > i'm a beginner, so i'm guessing i should try to some maintenance i can do to myself first. > any recommendations out there on what to do for starters and what materials to get for it. > as well as a basic operators manual and a service manual / schematics > > I noticed there are calibration tapes out there, anyone know i can get my hands on some? > i noticed the seller on ebay from spain that makes some, pricey, and i read they were only model specific. > any other options out there > > > is there a search function on the forum threads? > > thanks in advance > > /cy > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Wed Mar 13 21:17:47 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:17:47 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] new member References: Message-ID: Hello Cyrus, I make professional calibration tapes using professional studio recording and measurement equipment. Please visit my website http://www.gennlab.com/alignment_cassettes.html Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyrus" To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] new member > > hello, > > new member here, i just bought an old 480 cassette deck. > seems like it could need some meds to make it feel better. > > i'm a beginner, so i'm guessing i should try to some maintenance i can do > to myself first. > any recommendations out there on what to do for starters and what > materials to get for it. > as well as a basic operators manual and a service manual / schematics > > I noticed there are calibration tapes out there, anyone know i can get my > hands on some? > i noticed the seller on ebay from spain that makes some, pricey, and i > read they were only model specific. > any other options out there > > > is there a search function on the forum threads? > > thanks in advance > > /cy > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From danbarham at aol.com Thu Mar 14 17:10:21 2013 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <201303141103.r2EB0T9i029079@zxe.naks.com> References: <201303141103.r2EB0T9i029079@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8CFEEE5903928F3-B90-19A19@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> Hello Cy and welcome! The basics for any deck are this: Start with a functional check without a tape. Does it have power? Does the transport move? FF/REW work? If all is good so far, clean the heads and tape path. Try a non-valuable tape to see if it will play (non-valuable in case it gets eaten). I always use headphones to check a deck before I connect to a system but that's just me. If all is good at this point, enjoy! Typically though, especially for a deck that has been sitting idle for long periods (years), there will be some deficiencies, usually in the transport due to deteriorated belts and tires. You can download a service manual and owners manual from many places including ebaman and the Naks.com wiki. Start with the service manual for the belts and idler tire. Most belts in Naks can be replaced with generic ones from PRB except for the capstan belt. You must use a original Nak belt (pricey and though OEM, old) or I would personally recommend Fred Mars belts. There are other sources out there but you can't go wrong with Fred's belts or an original. You will more than likely want to replace the idler tire as well. For the most part, doing these will bring most Nak decks up to acceptable performance. If you want to go the extra mile and extract top performance, you need to get into the cal tapes and some test equipment. Genuine NAK test tapes are extremely rare and when they do come up for sale, extremely expensive. I can vouch for Luis Peromarta's clone tapes, they are very good and he will supply you with the basic set to accomplish most of the cal yourself. You said his tapes were pricey, perhaps, but very inexpensive compared to original tapes. They are good for all NAK's. I purchased Luis tapes several years ago and were using them with good success. I later acquired a complete set of genuine, original TEAC test tapes and I was able to compare the two sets. In my testing, Luis tapes were almost exactly spot on compared to the TEAC's. I would say within 1%. In my opinion, unless money is no object, Luis tapes are well worth the money and as good as most people will ever need. Besides the tapes, at a minimum you will need a good digital volt meter with frequency capability. I use a Fluke 187 True RMS DVM, a bit overkill but you can't go wrong with a good Fluke. You will also need a set of good basic hand tools like screwdrivers, needle nose pliers, etc. Beyond that, you are getting into more specialized equipment like wow and flutter meters, distortion analyzers, signal generators and oscilloscopes and most people are not going to go all out on that just to tweek one deck. Anyway, those are the basics. When you have questions this is a great place to come for expert and enthusiast advice and opinions. Many of our members (myself included) are also on other forums as well. This is not the only place for Naks but it is in my opinion, one of the best. Cheers! P.S. This is my first post on this forum in YEARS. Though I've been lurking off and on over this time, I just retired from the US Navy and now have more of that priceless commodity- TIME! Looking forward to jumping back into the community! 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 20:00:35 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:00:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com> Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actually gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price. I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this electronic transmission in error, please > reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message > in error, and delete it. Thank you. From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 10:41:25 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com> References: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Cyrus. Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: 800-777-9580 805-527-9580 Fax 805-527-1433 American Recorder Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1450 Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   Jayson ________________________________ From: Cyrus Shirali To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. -  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional > express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access > by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If > you have received this electronic transmission in error, please > reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message > in error, and delete it.  Thank you. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 14:00:32 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com> <1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money  :-). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Jayson Levitz >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > >Hi Cyrus. > >Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: > >800-777-9580 >805-527-9580 >Fax 805-527-1433 > >American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >PO Box 1450 >Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   > >Jayson > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Cyrus Shirali >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > >Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else > >Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. > >I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. > >as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? > >issues so far i have with it. > >it does power on. > >- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. > >- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. > >- reverse is not as bad as FF > >- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs > >- some wow & flutter > >- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. > >-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted > >I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. > > >congratulations D on your naval retirement! > > > > > >On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > >> Cyrus, >> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >> >> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains >> information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >> does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >> relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >> express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is >> intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >> by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended >> recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >> contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If >> you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >> reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >> in error, and delete it.  Thank you. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 14:00:32 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com> <1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money  :-). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Jayson Levitz >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > >Hi Cyrus. > >Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: > >800-777-9580 >805-527-9580 >Fax 805-527-1433 > >American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >PO Box 1450 >Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   > >Jayson > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Cyrus Shirali >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > >Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else > >Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. > >I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. > >as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? > >issues so far i have with it. > >it does power on. > >- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. > >- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. > >- reverse is not as bad as FF > >- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs > >- some wow & flutter > >- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. > >-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted > >I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. > > >congratulations D on your naval retirement! > > > > > >On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > >> Cyrus, >> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >> >> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Mar 15 14:47:29 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:47:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com> <1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amen. I agree 100%. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 15/03/2013, a las 14:00, Ron escribió: > > By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl > alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol > for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by > drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, > there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. > > OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be > deliriously happy to take your money :-). > > -- Ron > > > > From: Jayson Levitz > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > Hi Cyrus. > > Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: > > 800-777-9580 > 805-527-9580 > Fax 805-527-1433 > > American Recorder Technologies, Inc. > PO Box 1450 > Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 > > Jayson > > > From: Cyrus Shirali > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > > Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else > > Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. > I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but eager to find out. > > I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. > > as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? > > issues so far i have with it. > > it does power on. > > - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. > > - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. > > - reverse is not as bad as FF > > - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs > > - some wow & flutter > > - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. > > - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted > > I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. > > > congratulations D on your naval retirement! > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > > > Cyrus, > > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! > y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price. I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! > very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains > > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and > > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer > > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional > > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is > > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access > > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the > > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Fri Mar 15 15:14:49 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:14:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com> <1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8840AA05-D8D4-4B44-9A4B-C1D16F1F273B@ziggo.nl> Hi Ron, I fully agree with you. I use alcohol (for cleaning purposes) my whole life and never see dry out problems. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 15 mrt. 2013 om 14:00 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl > alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol > for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by > drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, > there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. > > OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be > deliriously happy to take your money :-). > > -- Ron > > > > From: Jayson Levitz > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > Hi Cyrus. > > Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: > > 800-777-9580 > 805-527-9580 > Fax 805-527-1433 > > American Recorder Technologies, Inc. > PO Box 1450 > Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 > > Jayson > > > From: Cyrus Shirali > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > > Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else > > Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. > I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but eager to find out. > > I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. > > as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? > > issues so far i have with it. > > it does power on. > > - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. > > - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. > > - reverse is not as bad as FF > > - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs > > - some wow & flutter > > - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. > > - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted > > I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. > > > congratulations D on your naval retirement! > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > > > Cyrus, > > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! > y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price. I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! > very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains > > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and > > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer > > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional > > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is > > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access > > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the > > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: From danbarham at aol.com Fri Mar 15 17:12:53 2013 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <201303151102.r2FB04PP032629@zxe.naks.com> References: <201303151102.r2FB04PP032629@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8CFEFAF14FD4601-9AC-34B1@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com> Hi Cyrus, Well, as you can see, the laws of physics apply here on this forum: for every opinion stated, there is an equal and opposite oposing opinion. Just pick and choose the opinions that work for you. As far as CAL tapes, I don't agree with Perry that Luis tapes are garbage, though I can see how he might say that if he has the original tapes. Here's the rub though: original tapes are NOT commonly available, and definitely not affordable. In the absence of originals, SOMETHING decent is better than NOTHING. A well calibrated DRAGON that those tapes are made on is a beautiful thing and you could do a lot worse. As far as the guages go,unless your deck is dismantled and the heads have been removed with no hope of ever getting them back close, you can get 95% of the performance without them. I don't have any gauges. I probably never will. I don't scour eBay every day looking for the needle in a haystack that usually isn't there anyway. There is no way I will ever be able to afford them without selling one of my cars at least! If I want one of my decks gone over with guages I will send it to Willy Herman. Willy is one of the handful of techs around the country who is well respected and considered one of the go to experts on Naks. Tom Brucker (Nakdoc) in Tennessee is another. There are a few others out there and depending on where you live you may want to go with whichever guru is closest to you. Your average run of the mill local repair shop probably does not have any techs intimately familiar with Naks and could possibly do more harm than good or just pronounce them unrepairable. The problems you describe on your 480 sound like basic belts, tire and lubrication first and foremost. Since you have a service manual and you said you are fairly confident, get a belt and tire kit from Fred Mars, and replace all the rubber in your transport. Many old machines, and Naks are no exception, have hardened grease that can turn into very formidable glue and completely stop all function. I've seen pinch rollers that don't move, buttons on mechanical transports "welded" so hard that you'd bend the metal before it would function. You need to clean out all the old grease and relube. I use white grease and sewing machine oil for 99% of my tape decks, others will no doubt recommend other products. Other materials I use: wooden, cotton tipped cleaning swabs- the extra length is handy and you can put a little more force on them than paper Q Tips. American Recorders S-721H cleaning fluid-it won't dry out rubber like alcohol will and leaves NO residue. R.B. Annis company Han-D-Mag demagnetizer- This is a fairly large handheld demagnetizer that has enough power to demag capstans and small screwdrivers as well as heads. As Perry says, Naktalk is dedicated to Naks but I bet you dollars to donuts that most people on this forum have other brands of decks as well that they love and enjoy. As much as I love my Nak 600II and 680ZX, among several other Nak models I have, one of my all time favorite decks is the Denon DR-M44HX. AudioKarma is a great forum that is searchable and caters to all brands and I like their motto: "All audio, no attitude". The other nice thing about them is it's a real time forum that you don't have to wait 24 hours to get a reply. Dan Barham Riverside, CA, USA (for 3 more months) aka "Nakmandan" on AudioKarma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 17:23:13 2013 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363364593.26666.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them!I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers.Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money  :-). -- Ron From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Hi Cyrus. Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: 800-777-9580 805-527-9580 Fax 805-527-1433 American Recorder Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1450 Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   Jayson From: Cyrus Shirali To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. -  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. 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URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 19:23:04 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363364593.26666.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363364593.26666.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363371784.81746.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  Jayson ________________________________ From: Bob Naylor To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers. Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM > > > >By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. > >OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >deliriously happy to take your money  :-). > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Jayson Levitz >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >>Hi Cyrus. >> >>Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >> >>800-777-9580 >>805-527-9580 >>Fax 805-527-1433 >> >>American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>PO Box 1450 >>Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   >> >>Jayson >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Cyrus Shirali >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >>Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else >> >>Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. >> >>I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >> >>as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >> >>issues so far i have with it. >> >>it does power on. >> >>- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >> >>- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >> >>- reverse is not as bad as FF >> >>- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >> >>- some wow & flutter >> >>- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >> >>-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >> >>I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >> >> >>congratulations D on your naval retirement! >> >> >> >> >> >>On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >> >>> Cyrus, >>> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >>y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >>> >>> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains >>> information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >>> does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >>> relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>> express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is >>> intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >>> by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended >>> recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >>> contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If >>> you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >>> reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >>> in error, and delete it.  Thank you. >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 20:10:17 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:10:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363371784.81746.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363364593.26666.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1363371784.81746.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe Bob uses latex mittens while he works on his decks so he doesn't get oil on his heads. just kidding bob. all this advice is great ! On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not > more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you > probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money > on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to > spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner > that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if > not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)? Absolutely unbelievable. > > And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with > your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with > this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin > oil on it!!! You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q- > tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans > and rollers. Again unbelievable. > > Jayson > > > From: Bob Naylor > To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's > and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it > including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or > a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! > I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or > shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the > rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. > Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently > clean the rollers. > Bob > > --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: > > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM > > > By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol > (actually, isopropyl > alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you > dunk the part in alcohol > for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with > alcohol, followed by > drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to > heads or capstans, > there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. > > OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' > stuff. They'll be > deliriously happy to take your money :-). > > -- Ron > > > > From: Jayson Levitz > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > Hi Cyrus. > > Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or > rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially > bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder > S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: > > 800-777-9580 > 805-527-9580 > Fax 805-527-1433 > > American Recorder Technologies, Inc. > PO Box 1450 > Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 > > Jayson > > > From: Cyrus Shirali > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > > Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else > > Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration > tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads > and audiokarma. Nice forums. > I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical > endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit > cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing > the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. > It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime > ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in > and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but > eager to find out. > > I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look > over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and > cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. > sounds like a good place to get them. > > as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? > alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a > demagnetizer, do i need that ? > > issues so far i have with it. > > it does power on. > > - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't > working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things > started moving.. > > - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds > up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end > of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. > > - reverse is not as bad as FF > > - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs > > - some wow & flutter > > - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that > can be due to the tape sound going in and out. > > - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you > are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between > you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda > distorted > > I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as > needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and > can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some > handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at > soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up > every now and then. > > > congratulations D on your naval retirement! > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > > > Cyrus, > > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get > mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with > similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of > petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and > am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, > do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a > tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's > a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for > tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not > as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've not > tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. > Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual > real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to let you > know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style > board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! > y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, > its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the > previous content attached. Insanity. > > > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by > pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes > goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are > even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges > go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the > bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got > lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller > that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price. I got > my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific > web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net. There > is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. > Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. > You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty > affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank > tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! > very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and > end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, > and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, > they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But > some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend > to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from > the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a > blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that > remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope > to see you around the boards. Perry. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains > > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and > > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer > > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional > > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is > > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access > > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the > > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Jayson Levitz wrote: From: Jayson Levitz Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 11:23 AM Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  Jayson From: Bob Naylor To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them!I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers.Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money  :-). -- Ron From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Hi Cyrus. Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: 800-777-9580 805-527-9580 Fax 805-527-1433 American Recorder Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1450 Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   Jayson From: Cyrus Shirali To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. -  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 21:36:34 2013 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1363379794.73929.YahooMailClassic@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Cyrus, LOL! but almost. My hands are always washed B4 doing anything including playing/recording etc just for that oil reason. It does keep all the knobs and buttons clean. I also have a radio hobby which I do the same. It keeps the "font" from wearing off buttons or causing that ring around the knobs. Jason just didn't understand my methods here. Jason, do you think just because something has a label on it that it's the best? If you do, you're mistaken. All products are made to sell off the shelf. This may not be a fair comparison but the idea is the same... Window cleaner is mainly ammonia. You can buy a gallon of ammonia for half the cost of a small bottle of window cleaner it just may not be scented, so how much window cleaner can you make from this one gallon bottle. Like I said, this may not be a fair comparison but you get the idea. I do agree with Ron that you could damage rubber by soaking the rollers but just wiping them will not do as much harm as just using the deck. Have a great day.Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Cyrus wrote: From: Cyrus Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:10 PM I believe Bob uses latex mittens while he works on his decks so he doesn't get oil on his heads.  just kidding bob. all this advice is great ! On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  Jayson From: Bob Naylor To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them!I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers.Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money  :-). -- Ron From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Hi Cyrus. Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: 800-777-9580 805-527-9580 Fax 805-527-1433 American Recorder Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1450 Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   Jayson From: Cyrus Shirali To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. -  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. 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I recently purchases a BX-300 with new belts on e-bay for $200 and I’m loving it! I used the isopropyl alcohol in professional studios for years, and we would use it on heads and metal parts, but sparingly on pucks and rubber parts. Actually using fantastic (a common home spray cleaner) for deep cleaning rubber. But it should be noted the American Recorders Technology stuff is 100% Naptha. Naptha is just lighter fluid, go buy some Ronsonol at your tobacconist and it’s the same stuff. all the best Jonathan Little Labs Pro Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting http://www.littlelabs.com/ vox/fax: 323.851.6860 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri Mar 15 22:13:24 2013 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:13:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LOL that's great! Lee Hazen, (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Lee+Hazen), over on the Reel-to-Reel group always promoted lighter fluid! Dennis On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jonathan Little wrote: > I’m new to this forum and it’s nice to see some lively chatter. I recently > purchases a BX-300 with new belts on e-bay for $200 and I’m loving it! I > used the isopropyl alcohol in professional studios for years, and we would > use it on heads and metal parts, but sparingly on pucks and rubber parts. > Actually using fantastic (a common home spray cleaner) for deep cleaning > rubber. But it should be noted the American Recorders Technology stuff is > 100% Naptha. Naptha is just lighter fluid, go buy some Ronsonol at your > tobacconist and it’s the same stuff. > all the best > Jonathan > > Little Labs > Pro Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting > http://www.littlelabs.com/ > vox/fax: 323.851.6860 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 22:27:06 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1363382826.61709.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> S-721H is NOT 100% naptha and therefore NOT lighter fluid.  You are close, but no cigar (pun intended).  It is a combinatoin of naptha, cyclohexane, hexane & n-hexane. Jayson ________________________________ From: Jonathan Little To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology I’m new to this forum and it’s nice to see some lively chatter. I recently purchases a BX-300 with new belts on e-bay for $200 and I’m loving it!   I used the isopropyl alcohol in professional studios for years, and we would use it on heads and metal parts, but sparingly on pucks and rubber parts. Actually using fantastic (a common home spray cleaner) for deep cleaning rubber.  But it should be noted the American Recorders Technology stuff is 100% Naptha.  Naptha is just lighter fluid, go buy some Ronsonol at your tobacconist and it’s the same stuff.  all the best  Jonathan Little Labs Pro Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting http://www.littlelabs.com/ vox/fax: 323.851.6860 ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chapman.w2 at sky.com Fri Mar 15 23:17:15 2013 From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:17:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Isopropanol Message-ID: <15A451DD-92D7-4EF8-A549-19997729B173@sky.com> Very interesting - ~I too use Iso. I get it from a GRP boat builders by the litre. It leaves a slight deposit when cleaning big areas despite claiming 99%. Very cheap. A hospital nurse who also built single ended valve amplifiers, preferred 99% pure Metholated spirit, clear - not the pinks stuff. he could get this easily but I have never seen it available in the UK. he gave me some - superb results. Anyone have a view on this? Can anyone source this? By the way, Just listened to Booker T on a pre-recorded cassette - heaven on my Zx7. So much better than CD. Clean, elegant, crisp but no CD jarring. If you want to clean up fascias etc, Maplins Foam cleaner, now called hard surface cleaner I believe, will make you Nak look like new. Use sparingly. 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You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  Jayson ________________________________ From: Bob Naylor To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers. Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM > > > >By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. > >OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >deliriously happy to take your money  :-). > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Jayson Levitz >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >>Hi Cyrus. >> >>Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >> >>800-777-9580 >>805-527-9580 >>Fax 805-527-1433 >> >>American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>PO Box 1450 >>Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   >> >>Jayson >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Cyrus Shirali >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >>Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else >> >>Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. >> >>I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >> >>as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >> >>issues so far i have with it. >> >>it does power on. >> >>- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >> >>- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >> >>- reverse is not as bad as FF >> >>- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >> >>- some wow & flutter >> >>- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >> >>-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >> >>I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >> >> >>congratulations D on your naval retirement! >> >> >> >> >> >>On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >> >>> Cyrus, >>> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >>y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >>> >>> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains >>> information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >>> does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >>> relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>> express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is >>> intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >>> by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended >>> recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >>> contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If >>> you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >>> reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >>> in error, and delete it.  Thank you. >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 00:56:40 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:56:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363379794.73929.YahooMailClassic@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1363379794.73929.YahooMailClassic@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B4A0BC4-CBDB-46BD-9F91-CE71D7F8AD87@yahoo.com> I believe in brands. That's why I got into Naks. They were the best branded cassette decks right? So I am with Jason here. ........and I do not live or wash hands prior to fingering my decks. Lol Ram. On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Cyrus, LOL! but almost. My hands are always washed B4 doing anything including playing/recording etc just for that oil reason. It does keep all the knobs and buttons clean. I also have a radio hobby which I do the same. It keeps the "font" from wearing off buttons or causing that ring around the knobs. > > Jason just didn't understand my methods here. > > Jason, do you think just because something has a label on it that it's the best? If you do, you're mistaken. All products are made to sell off the shelf. This may not be a fair comparison but the idea is the same... Window cleaner is mainly ammonia. You can buy a gallon of ammonia for half the cost of a small bottle of window cleaner it just may not be scented, so how much window cleaner can you make from this one gallon bottle. Like I said, this may not be a fair comparison but you get the idea. > > I do agree with Ron that you could damage rubber by soaking the rollers but just wiping them will not do as much harm as just using the deck. > > Have a great day. > Bob > > --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Cyrus wrote: > > From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:10 PM > > I believe Bob uses latex mittens while he works on his decks so he doesn't get oil on his heads. > > just kidding bob. > > all this advice is great ! > > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > >> Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)? Absolutely unbelievable. >> >> And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!! You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable. >> >> Jayson >> >> >> From: Bob Naylor >> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! >> I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers. >> Bob >> >> --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: >> >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM >> >> >> By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >> alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >> for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >> drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >> there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. >> >> OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >> deliriously happy to take your money :-). >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> From: Jayson Levitz >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> Hi Cyrus. >> >> Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >> >> 800-777-9580 >> 805-527-9580 >> Fax 805-527-1433 >> >> American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >> PO Box 1450 >> Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 >> >> Jayson >> >> >> From: Cyrus Shirali >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >> Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else >> >> Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >> I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but eager to find out. >> >> I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >> >> as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >> >> issues so far i have with it. >> >> it does power on. >> >> - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >> >> - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >> >> - reverse is not as bad as FF >> >> - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >> >> - some wow & flutter >> >> - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >> >> - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >> >> I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >> >> >> congratulations D on your naval retirement! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >> >> > Cyrus, >> > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >> y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >> > >> > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price. I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >> very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains >> > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >> > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >> > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >> > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is >> > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >> > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended >> > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >> > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 01:19:25 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363379794.73929.YahooMailClassic@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1363379794.73929.YahooMailClassic@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363393165.1477.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob, I disagree with you. Try this experiment. Contact all the servicing and repair experts who work on Naks and other machines and see what they say about the benefits of using  S-721H over alcohol to clean tape heads, capstans and rubber rollers. As I stated before, you spend so much hard-earned money on first buying and then keeping these 30 to 40 year old machines working up-to-spec that paying an additional $16 to use a product specifically formulated to clean them should not be an issue at all.   Jayson ________________________________ From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Cyrus, LOL! but almost. My hands are always washed B4 doing anything including playing/recording etc just for that oil reason. It does keep all the knobs and buttons clean. I also have a radio hobby which I do the same. It keeps the "font" from wearing off buttons or causing that ring around the knobs. Jason just didn't understand my methods here. Jason, do you think just because something has a label on it that it's the best? If you do, you're mistaken. All products are made to sell off the shelf. This may not be a fair comparison but the idea is the same... Window cleaner is mainly ammonia. You can buy a gallon of ammonia for half the cost of a small bottle of window cleaner it just may not be scented, so how much window cleaner can you make from this one gallon bottle. Like I said, this may not be a fair comparison but you get the idea. I do agree with Ron that you could damage rubber by soaking the rollers but just wiping them will not do as much harm as just using the deck. Have a great day. Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Cyrus wrote: >From: Cyrus >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:10 PM > > >I believe Bob uses latex mittens while he works on his decks so he doesn't get oil on his heads.  > > >just kidding bob. > > >all this advice is great ! > > > >On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > >Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. >> >>And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  >> >>Jayson >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Bob Naylor >>To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >>Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! >>I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers. >>Bob >> >>--- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM >>> >>> >>> >>>By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >>>alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >>>for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >>>drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >>>there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. >>> >>>OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >>>deliriously happy to take your money  :-). >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Jayson Levitz >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Cyrus. >>>> >>>>Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >>>> >>>>800-777-9580 >>>>805-527-9580 >>>>Fax 805-527-1433 >>>> >>>>American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>>>PO Box 1450 >>>>Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   >>>> >>>>Jayson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Cyrus Shirali >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>> >>>> >>>>Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else >>>> >>>>Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>>>I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. >>>> >>>>I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >>>> >>>>as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >>>> >>>>issues so far i have with it. >>>> >>>>it does power on. >>>> >>>>- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >>>> >>>>- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >>>> >>>>- reverse is not as bad as FF >>>> >>>>- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >>>> >>>>- some wow & flutter >>>> >>>>- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >>>> >>>>-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >>>> >>>>I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >>>> >>>> >>>>congratulations D on your naval retirement! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cyrus, >>>>> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >>>>y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >>>>> >>>>> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>>>very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains >>>>> information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >>>>> does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >>>>> relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>>>> express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is >>>>> intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >>>>> by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended >>>>> recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >>>>> contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If >>>>> you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >>>>> reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >>>>> in error, and delete it.  Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any of several highly volatile, flammable liquid mixtures of hydrocarbons distilled from petroleum, coal tar, and natural gas and used as fuel, as solvents, and in making various chemicals. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Naptha On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:56 PM, pieter rodgers < the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote: > isn´t that sh%t called nafta or naphta??? (in stead of naptha..) or am I > mistaken a lot?? > > Pieter.. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 08:26:06 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:26:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363379794.73929.YahooMailClassic@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1363379794.73929.YahooMailClassic@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C29AC43-D966-407F-AE36-BBA0CF7D20BD@gmail.com> Bob, haha, i just have a special sense of humor.. i do like your methods for keeping the fonts cleans on buttons. respect on that. do what works and is best for you. I am might have to ask you later about your radio hobby, i have a few old grundig satellite radios that might i might plug in soon. On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Cyrus, LOL! but almost. My hands are always washed B4 doing anything > including playing/recording etc just for that oil reason. It does > keep all the knobs and buttons clean. I also have a radio hobby > which I do the same. It keeps the "font" from wearing off buttons or > causing that ring around the knobs. > > Jason just didn't understand my methods here. > > Jason, do you think just because something has a label on it that > it's the best? If you do, you're mistaken. All products are made to > sell off the shelf. This may not be a fair comparison but the idea > is the same... Window cleaner is mainly ammonia. You can buy a > gallon of ammonia for half the cost of a small bottle of window > cleaner it just may not be scented, so how much window cleaner can > you make from this one gallon bottle. Like I said, this may not be a > fair comparison but you get the idea. > > I do agree with Ron that you could damage rubber by soaking the > rollers but just wiping them will not do as much harm as just using > the deck. > > Have a great day. > Bob > > --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Cyrus wrote: > > From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:10 PM > > I believe Bob uses latex mittens while he works on his decks so he > doesn't get oil on his heads. > > just kidding bob. > > all this advice is great ! > > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > >> Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not >> more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you >> probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional >> money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not >> want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a >> cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber >> over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)? Absolutely >> unbelievable. >> >> And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio >> with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers >> with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have >> skin oil on it!!! You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto >> this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, >> capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable. >> >> Jayson >> >> >> From: Bob Naylor >> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's >> and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it >> including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller >> or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! >> I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or >> shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the >> rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. >> Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently >> clean the rollers. >> Bob >> >> --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: >> >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks" >> Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM >> >> >> By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol >> (actually, isopropyl >> alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you >> dunk the part in alcohol >> for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with >> alcohol, followed by >> drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to >> heads or capstans, >> there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. >> >> OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' >> stuff. They'll be >> deliriously happy to take your money :-). >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> From: Jayson Levitz >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> Hi Cyrus. >> >> Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or >> rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially >> bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder >> S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >> >> 800-777-9580 >> 805-527-9580 >> Fax 805-527-1433 >> >> American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >> PO Box 1450 >> Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 >> >> Jayson >> >> >> From: Cyrus Shirali >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >> Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else >> >> Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on >> calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently >> join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >> I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical >> endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit >> cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing >> the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. >> It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime >> ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in >> and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but >> eager to find out. >> >> I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look >> over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and >> cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the >> belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >> >> as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? >> alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a >> demagnetizer, do i need that ? >> >> issues so far i have with it. >> >> it does power on. >> >> - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't >> working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things >> started moving.. >> >> - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then >> builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at >> the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching >> sound. >> >> - reverse is not as bad as FF >> >> - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the >> inputs >> >> - some wow & flutter >> >> - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but >> that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >> >> - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if >> you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes >> between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound >> is kinda distorted >> >> I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as >> needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes >> and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some >> handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand >> at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up >> every now and then. >> >> >> congratulations D on your naval retirement! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >> >> > Cyrus, >> > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get >> mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with >> similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of >> petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and >> am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, >> do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a >> tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. >> He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes >> for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just >> not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've >> not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish >> way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce >> actual real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to >> let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old >> style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >> y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, >> its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the >> previous content attached. Insanity. >> > >> > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except >> by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal >> tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi >> gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. >> Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they >> hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes >> and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with >> a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a >> good price. I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is >> another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at >> tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a good tape section >> at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of >> us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, >> most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, >> blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >> very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and >> end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, >> and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, >> they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. >> But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we >> tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info >> from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it >> is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) >> that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously >> priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains >> > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >> > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >> > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >> > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is >> > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >> > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended >> > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >> > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 08:46:11 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:46:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs Message-ID: <94BB5BFA-3D8F-43FD-A281-A9C99893A25B@gmail.com> On another subject, does anyone know if there are any naks out there with xlr inputs or 1/4 to record in or multiple tracks? I have been eyeing a few tascams recently, any opinions? I basically am looking to record some of my production music onto cassette. eventually go to reels. tascam 112mkII http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/122mkii tascam 112mkIII http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/122mkiii or this 4 track one http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/234 From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Sat Mar 16 10:51:07 2013 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:51:07 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. References: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com><1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have to endorse Ron's comments, as this is yet another case of here we go again on this subject!! To those people firmly in the S-721H camp, it is good to share your experiences with this 'wonder product', but PLEASE leave it at that, don't perpetrate the misconceptions surrounding IPA as 'bad', it is misinformation. Hopefully the following will help explain my stance on this topic again, at the risk of flogging a dead horse with some... IME, most pinch roller rubber is from the Neoprene family and as such is a compounded product, with all the associated errors and variations that stem from compounding, and that is in addition to careful selection of the Neoprene polymers in the first place. As a synthetic rubber system it has very good stability, resistance to oxidation and most common chemicals.. but like most things doesn't last forever.. it ages... and how it ages depends upon SO many factors. Neoprene as we know it are polychloroprene polymers compounded with anti-oxidants, acid acceptors, and sometimes other additives such as extenders (mineral fillers), and plasticisers, (such as naptheic oils or esters). The incorporation of anti-oxidants and acid acceptors is paramount to the longevity of the rubber... the former is self explantatory, the latter perhaps needs some explanation.. simply put polychoroprene contains chlorine which is evolved as the rubber ages/oxidises forming hydrochloric acid, and that needs to be mopped up to retard the rate of degradation.. that is the job of the acid acceptor. The ageing of neoprene is typically through oxidation, accelerated by heat and UV, and starts from day 1.. so enviroment has an effect, composition has an effect, as does degree of use of the equipment where internal heat build up becomes a small but contributing factor. If the Neoprene is compounded correctly and vulcanised correctly , then the ageing is very slow and effects are typified by a hardening of the exposed surface layer, which eventually cracks and induces splits in the substrate.. in our case the pinch wheel rubber... and it is this cracking on ageing that is commonly misconstrued as the rubber drying out. If the neoprene is not compounded correctly and is deficient in critical additives, then it can turn into a gooey mess as it ages,......Most tapeheads have experienced both, I know I have! , but that said I've only ever seen cracked pinch rollers, not gooey ones, and vice versa for belts. If your tape deck is sitting in a warm room in full sun, then the rubber is going to degrade faster than in a cool artifically lit room... all common sense??.. and rate of ageing also depends upon how well the rubber compounder did his job. Next, solubility of Neoprene... obviously we don't want to dissolve our precious pinch rollers, but as an Adhesive Chemist in a former life dissolving neoprenes was very dear to my heart for the manufacture of contact adhesives, thus I have a some experience in this area. Neoprene is insoluble in alcohols and aliphatic hydrocarbons, but is attacked by esters, ketones, and aromatics... eg: ethyl acetate, acetone/MEK, toluene. That said, a mix of aromatic solvent and aliphatic solvent can be a very good synergistic mix for dissolving Neoprene.. more on that is a minute. S-721H is principally n-hexane, an aliphatic hydrocarbon. IPA is well, IPA, an alcohol. You will often find n-hexane in the solvent mix in a neoprene adhesive, (as a diluant not a solvent), but you will NOT find IPA.. it is not compatible. Now onto the drying out myth and extraction of the plasticisers. The typical plasticisers/softeners used (in basic terms) , napthenic oils and ester based plasticisers, both of which are soluble in hydrocarbons, e.g. hexane, but only miscible in alcohols. So when it comes to dissolving and extracting these from our rubber... n-hexane will be more effective than IPA. So, in a nutshell cracking and 'drying out' of the rubber has most to do with the rubber composition and little to do with the fact it was cleaned with IPA or S-721H. So, S-721H vs Iso Propyl Alcohol... In reality there isn't much difference for our end use in my opinion, Neoprene has excellent resistance to both, and both work... use what you have available or you prefer.... Burger King or McDonalds... n-Hexane is faster evaporating, thus in a studio situation where time is critical then S-721H has an advantage, and it is also a better solvent for any oils that could transfer onto the pinch roller when hand threading up an RTR.. which shouldn't be an issue with a cassette. Because it is fast evaporating it generally doens't hang around long enough to start drawing out the plasticisers. IPA is slower, but not as effective at extracting either.. so a moot point really. Other claims: n-hexane is hygrosopic so doesn't absorb water.. true....any water contamination will sit as a clear layer under the n-hexane. IPA is fully miscible with water, so best to keep well sealed when not using.. it will equilibrate with the surrounding humidty, but it is not a dessicant, which seems to be the inference in some quarters. 99% is the preferred quality but not so easy to obtain, however 95% IPA generally is .. but don't sweat on the extra water content: as IPA evaporates it takes the water with it...once the water concentration reaches about 12% (88% IPA) it forms a binary azeotrope, thus can't be separated by distillation and also evaporates slightly faster than native IPA...no water is left behind. This may seem a suck eggs statement: Always use your cleaner 'damp' not dripping on a Q tip...simply to avoid the cleaner getting into the roller or pivot shaft and dissolving out the lubricant... again n-hexane will be more aggressive than IPA in this situation. Other concerns or things to be wary of... I have seen talk of subbing S-721H with Naptha, lighter fluid etc... but unless you know the composition be careful.. Naptha is a very generic term, like PVA.... covers a multitude if sins!... n-hexane is in the light naptha family, but some 'cruder' grades can contain a small percentage of aromatic solvent, usually toluene. I've seen up to 5% toluene in a product also sold as lighter fluid, and that is not good for your rubber, or paint work!.. best to stick with the known product in the bottle. Similar applies to IPA: Rubbing alcohol is oft suggested, which is usually ethanol not IPA. If it is a medical swabbing grade, probably OK, but if it is a sports grade , then it could contain some perfumes or body oils to counter the drying of skin.. do a wipe test on glass and look for any residue. Also, be careful with denatured alcohol.. typically this is also ethanol, usually denatured with methanol and commonly known as meths or methylated spirits. It will work as well IPA as a cleaner, but methanol is quite aggressive and can damage some plastic finishes and mar painted surfaces, particularly painted fascia's, eg 580 series. In my 30+ years of maintaining cassette decks and using IPA almost exclusively, I have yet to have a roller dry out on me, but if I did, I would be looking at the rubber not the IPA or S-721H. If you have S-721H handy use it, if you have IPA.. use it. --Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Jayson Levitz ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money :-). -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Hi Cyrus. Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: 800-777-9580 805-527-9580 Fax 805-527-1433 American Recorder Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1450 Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 Jayson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cyrus Shirali To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price. I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this electronic transmission in error, please > reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message > in error, and delete it. 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Sat Mar 16 11:23:10 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:23:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Isopropanol In-Reply-To: <15A451DD-92D7-4EF8-A549-19997729B173@sky.com> References: <15A451DD-92D7-4EF8-A549-19997729B173@sky.com> Message-ID: Hi John, A little warning , be very carefull with cleaning the Zx series front plate. The thin white lines are very fragile. You wipe them of the front before you know it. All the other series doesn't have these problems as far as i know. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 15 mrt. 2013 om 23:17 heeft John Chapman het volgende geschreven: > Very interesting - ~I too use Iso. I get it from a GRP boat builders by the litre. It leaves a slight deposit when cleaning big areas despite claiming 99%. Very cheap. > > A hospital nurse who also built single ended valve amplifiers, preferred 99% pure Metholated spirit, clear - not the pinks stuff. he could get this easily but I have never seen it available in the UK. > > he gave me some - superb results. > > Anyone have a view on this? > Can anyone source this? > > By the way, Just listened to Booker T on a pre-recorded cassette - heaven on my Zx7. > So much better than CD. Clean, elegant, crisp but no CD jarring. > > If you want to clean up fascias etc, Maplins Foam cleaner, now called hard surface cleaner I believe, will make you Nak look like new. 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URL: From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com Sat Mar 16 11:26:22 2013 From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:26:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Isopropanol In-Reply-To: <15A451DD-92D7-4EF8-A549-19997729B173@sky.com> References: <15A451DD-92D7-4EF8-A549-19997729B173@sky.com> Message-ID: as long as it removes grease and other stuff when applied and then evaporates fully (somewhere around 100% should be fine) and has no rubber disolving properties, I think about anything can be used.. it all has to do with personal favour.. no additives is also a good thing (they may not fully avaporate and thus leave a thin film of whatever it is...) greetings pieter From: chapman.w2 at sky.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:17:15 +0000 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Isopropanol Very interesting - ~I too use Iso. I get it from a GRP boat builders by the litre. It leaves a slight deposit when cleaning big areas despite claiming 99%. Very cheap. A hospital nurse who also built single ended valve amplifiers, preferred 99% pure Metholated spirit, clear - not the pinks stuff. he could get this easily but I have never seen it available in the UK. he gave me some - superb results. Anyone have a view on this? Can anyone source this? By the way, Just listened to Booker T on a pre-recorded cassette - heaven on my Zx7. So much better than CD. Clean, elegant, crisp but no CD jarring. If you want to clean up fascias etc, Maplins Foam cleaner, now called hard surface cleaner I believe, will make you Nak look like new. Use sparingly. 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Pieter.. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Sat Mar 16 17:32:35 2013 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <201303161548.r2GFjvOP005089@zxe.naks.com> References: <201303161548.r2GFjvOP005089@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8CFF07AFFD97B82-1150-A625@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Cyrus, The MR-1 is the only Nak that has XLR in/out as well as 1/4" in/out jacks. It is the only Nak deck that does NOT have RCA jacks. Additionally, it has front panel 1/4" inputs and a selector switch to choose between the front or back 1/4" input jacks. It is basically the pro version of the BX-300 (aka ZX-5 in Japan), a very nice 3 head, double capstan, direct drive deck. The MR-2 has 1/4" in/out as well, no XLR's, but is only a 2 head, single capstan machine. Both 2 track machines. There are no Naks that are four track (in one direction anyway). I have no experience with Tascams so I couldn't comment on them specifically, though I do hear they have a reputation for being real work horses and very heay duty. Dan Attached Message From: Cyrus To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:46:11 -0400 On another subject, does anyone know if there are any naks out there with xlr inputs or 1/4 to record in or multiple tracks? I have been eyeing a few tascams recently, any opinions? I basically am looking to record some of my production music onto cassette. eventually go to reels. tascam 112mkII http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/122mkii tascam 112mkIII http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/122mkiii or this 4 track one http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/234 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 19:10:46 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:10:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 121, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <8CFF07AFFD97B82-1150-A625@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> References: <201303161548.r2GFjvOP005089@zxe.naks.com> <8CFF07AFFD97B82-1150-A625@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Why worry about the deck, make your own cables. XLR to RCA or 1/4" TRS RCA to 1/4" TRS Or you get mono female to 1/4" TRS male plugs. I do this with my reel to reel units. Buy a $15 solder gun, cable and the end connector combo you need. Ashvin On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:32 AM, danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Cyrus, > > The MR-1 is the only Nak that has XLR in/out as well as 1/4" in/out jacks. It is the only Nak deck that does NOT have RCA jacks. Additionally, it has front panel 1/4" inputs and a selector switch to choose between the front or back 1/4" input jacks. It is basically the pro version of the BX-300 (aka ZX-5 in Japan), a very nice 3 head, double capstan, direct drive deck. The MR-2 has 1/4" in/out as well, no XLR's, but is only a 2 head, single capstan machine. Both 2 track machines. There are no Naks that are four track (in one direction anyway). > I have no experience with Tascams so I couldn't comment on them specifically, though I do hear they have a reputation for being real work horses and very heay duty. > > Dan > > > Attached Message > From: Cyrus > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:46:11 -0400 > > On another subject, does anyone know if there are any naks out there with xlr inputs or 1/4 to record in or multiple tracks? > I have been eyeing a few tascams recently, any opinions? I basically am looking to record some of my production music onto cassette. eventually go to reels. > > tascam 112mkII > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/122mkii > > tascam 112mkIII > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/122mkiii > > or this 4 track one > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/234 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ram. ________________________________ From: Martin Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. I have to endorse Ron's comments, as this is yet another case of here we go again on this subject!!   To those people firmly in the S-721H camp,  it is good to share your experiences with this 'wonder product', but PLEASE leave it at that, don't perpetrate the misconceptions surrounding IPA as 'bad', it is misinformation.     Hopefully the following will help explain my stance on this topic again, at the risk of flogging a dead horse with some...     IME, most pinch roller rubber is  from the Neoprene family and as such is a compounded product, with all the associated errors and variations that stem from compounding, and that is in addition to careful selection of the Neoprene polymers in the first place. As a synthetic rubber system it has very good stability, resistance to oxidation and most common chemicals.. but like most things doesn't last forever.. it ages... and how it ages depends upon SO many factors.   Neoprene as we know it are polychloroprene polymers compounded with anti-oxidants, acid acceptors, and sometimes other additives such as extenders (mineral fillers), and plasticisers, (such as naptheic oils or esters). The incorporation of anti-oxidants and acid acceptors is paramount to the longevity of the rubber... the former is self explantatory, the latter perhaps needs some explanation.. simply put polychoroprene contains chlorine which is evolved as the rubber ages/oxidises  forming hydrochloric acid, and that needs to be mopped up to retard the rate of degradation.. that is the job of the acid acceptor.   The ageing of neoprene is typically through oxidation, accelerated by heat and UV, and starts from day 1.. so enviroment has an effect, composition has an effect, as does degree of use of the equipment where internal heat build up becomes a small but contributing  factor.   If the Neoprene is compounded correctly and vulcanised correctly , then the ageing is very slow  and effects are typified by a hardening of the exposed surface layer, which eventually cracks and induces splits in the substrate.. in our case the pinch wheel rubber... and it is this cracking  on ageing that is commonly misconstrued as the rubber drying out. If  the neoprene is not compounded correctly and is deficient in critical additives, then it can turn into a gooey mess as it ages,......Most tapeheads have experienced both, I know I have! , but that said I've only ever seen cracked pinch rollers, not gooey ones, and vice versa for belts.   If your tape deck is sitting in a warm room in full sun, then the rubber is going to degrade faster than in a cool artifically lit room... all common sense??.. and rate of ageing also depends upon how well the rubber compounder did his job.   Next, solubility of Neoprene... obviously we don't want to dissolve our precious pinch rollers, but as an Adhesive Chemist in a former life dissolving neoprenes was very dear to my heart for  the manufacture of contact adhesives, thus I have a some experience in this area.   Neoprene is insoluble in alcohols and  aliphatic hydrocarbons, but is attacked by esters, ketones, and aromatics... eg: ethyl acetate, acetone/MEK, toluene.  That said, a mix of aromatic solvent and aliphatic solvent can be a very good synergistic mix for dissolving Neoprene.. more on that is a minute.   S-721H is principally n-hexane, an aliphatic hydrocarbon. IPA is well, IPA, an alcohol. You will often find n-hexane in the solvent mix in a neoprene adhesive, (as a diluant not a solvent), but you will NOT find IPA.. it is not compatible.   Now onto the drying out myth and extraction of the plasticisers. The typical plasticisers/softeners used (in basic terms) , napthenic oils and ester based plasticisers, both of which  are soluble in hydrocarbons, e.g.  hexane, but only miscible in alcohols. So when it comes to dissolving and extracting these from our rubber... n-hexane will be more effective than IPA.   So, in a nutshell  cracking and 'drying out' of the rubber has most to do with the rubber composition and little to do with the fact it was cleaned with IPA or S-721H.        So, S-721H vs Iso Propyl Alcohol...   In reality there isn't much difference for our end use in my opinion, Neoprene has excellent resistance to both, and both work... use what you have available or you prefer.... Burger King or McDonalds...   n-Hexane is faster evaporating, thus in a studio situation where time is critical then S-721H has an advantage, and it is also a better solvent for any oils that could transfer onto the pinch roller when hand threading up an RTR.. which shouldn't be an issue with a cassette. Because it is fast evaporating it generally doens't hang around long enough to start drawing out the plasticisers. IPA is slower, but not as effective at extracting either.. so a moot point really.   Other claims: n-hexane is hygrosopic  so doesn't absorb water.. true....any water contamination will sit as a clear layer under the n-hexane. IPA is fully miscible with water, so best to keep well sealed when not using.. it will equilibrate with the surrounding humidty, but it is not a dessicant, which seems to be the inference in some quarters. 99% is the preferred quality but not so easy to obtain, however 95% IPA generally is .. but don't sweat on the extra water content: as IPA evaporates it takes the water with it...once the water concentration reaches about 12% (88% IPA)  it forms a binary  azeotrope,  thus can't be separated by distillation and also evaporates slightly faster than native IPA...no water is left behind.   This may seem a suck eggs statement: Always use your cleaner 'damp' not dripping on a Q tip...simply to avoid the cleaner getting into the roller or pivot shaft and dissolving out the lubricant... again n-hexane will be more aggressive than IPA in this situation.   Other concerns or  things to be wary of...   I have seen talk of subbing S-721H with Naptha, lighter fluid etc... but unless you know the composition be careful.. Naptha is a very generic term, like PVA.... covers a multitude if sins!... n-hexane is in the light naptha family, but some 'cruder' grades can contain a small percentage of aromatic solvent, usually toluene. I've seen up to 5% toluene in a product also sold as lighter fluid, and that is not good for your rubber, or paint work!.. best to stick with the known product in the bottle.   Similar applies to IPA: Rubbing alcohol is oft suggested, which is usually ethanol not IPA. If it is a medical swabbing grade, probably OK, but if it is a sports grade , then it could contain some perfumes or body oils to counter the drying of skin.. do a wipe test on glass and look for any residue. Also, be careful with denatured alcohol.. typically this is also ethanol, usually denatured with methanol and  commonly known as meths or methylated spirits. It will work as well IPA as a cleaner, but methanol is quite aggressive and can damage some plastic finishes and mar painted surfaces, particularly painted fascia's, eg 580 series.        In my 30+ years of maintaining cassette decks and using IPA almost exclusively, I have yet to have a roller dry out on me, but if I did, I would be looking at the rubber not the IPA or S-721H. If you have S-721H handy use it, if you have IPA.. use it.   --Martin           ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron >To: Jayson Levitz ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:00 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > > >By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. > >OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >deliriously happy to take your money  :-). > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Jayson Levitz >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >>Hi Cyrus. >> >>Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >> >>800-777-9580 >>805-527-9580 >>Fax 805-527-1433 >> >>American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>PO Box 1450 >>Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   >> >>Jayson >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Cyrus Shirali >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> >> >>Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else >> >>Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. >> >>I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >> >>as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >> >>issues so far i have with it. >> >>it does power on. >> >>- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >> >>- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >> >>- reverse is not as bad as FF >> >>- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >> >>- some wow & flutter >> >>- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >> >>-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >> >>I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >> >> >>congratulations D on your naval retirement! >> >> >> >> >> >>On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >> >>> Cyrus, >>> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >>y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >>> >>> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. 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It is the only Nak deck that does NOT have RCA jacks. >> Additionally, it has front panel 1/4" inputs and a selector switch >> to choose between the front or back 1/4" input jacks. It is >> basically the pro version of the BX-300 (aka ZX-5 in Japan), a very >> nice 3 head, double capstan, direct drive deck. The MR-2 has 1/4" >> in/out as well, no XLR's, but is only a 2 head, single capstan >> machine. Both 2 track machines. There are no Naks that are four >> track (in one direction anyway). >> I have no experience with Tascams so I couldn't comment on them >> specifically, though I do hear they have a reputation for being >> real work horses and very heay duty. >> >> Dan >> >> >> Attached Message >> From: Cyrus >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs >> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:46:11 -0400 >> >> On another subject, does anyone know if there are any naks out >> there with xlr inputs or 1/4 to record in or multiple tracks? >> I have been eyeing a few tascams recently, any opinions? 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BTW, 'professional' (mostly used by hobbyists) cleaning liquids contain alcohol or other strong solvents, in one form or another. Read the label  :-). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Jayson Levitz >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:23 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > >Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. > >And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  > >Jayson > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Bob Naylor >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > >Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! >I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers. >Bob > >--- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: > > >>From: Ron >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM >> >> >> >>By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >>alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >>for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >>drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >>there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. >> >>OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >>deliriously happy to take your money  :-). >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Jayson Levitz >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> >>> >>>Hi Cyrus. >>> >>>Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >>> >>>800-777-9580 >>>805-527-9580 >>>Fax 805-527-1433 >>> >>>American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>>PO Box 1450 >>>Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   >>> >>>Jayson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Cyrus Shirali >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> >>> >>>Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else >>> >>>Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>>I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. >>> >>>I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >>> >>>as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >>> >>>issues so far i have with it. >>> >>>it does power on. >>> >>>- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >>> >>>- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >>> >>>- reverse is not as bad as FF >>> >>>- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >>> >>>- some wow & flutter >>> >>>- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >>> >>>-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >>> >>>I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >>> >>> >>>congratulations D on your naval retirement! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >>> >>>> Cyrus, >>>> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >>>y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >>>> >>>> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>>very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains >>>> information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >>>> does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >>>> relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>>> express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is >>>> intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >>>> by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended >>>> recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >>>> contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If >>>> you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >>>> reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >>>> in error, and delete it.  Thank you. >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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S-721 and it, too, will soften the rubber.  -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Jayson Levitz >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:27 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology > > >S-721H is NOT 100% naptha and therefore NOT lighter fluid.  You are close, but no cigar (pun intended).  It is a combinatoin of naptha, cyclohexane, hexane & n-hexane. > >Jayson > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Jonathan Little >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:30 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology > > >I’m new to this forum and it’s nice to see some lively chatter. I recently purchases a BX-300 with new belts on e-bay for $200 and I’m loving it!   I used the isopropyl alcohol in professional studios for years, and we would use it on heads and metal parts, but sparingly on pucks and rubber parts. Actually using fantastic (a common home spray cleaner) for deep cleaning rubber.  But it should be noted the American Recorders Technology stuff is 100% Naptha.  Naptha is just lighter fluid, go buy some Ronsonol at your tobacconist and it’s the same stuff.  > >all the best  >Jonathan > >Little Labs >Pro Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting >http://www.littlelabs.com/ >vox/fax: 323.851.6860 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 14:47:40 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 06:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology In-Reply-To: <1363382826.61709.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363382826.61709.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363528060.59711.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dunk a rubber roller for a week in your 20 bucks fer 1/2 oz. S-721 and it, too, will soften the rubber.  -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Jayson Levitz >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:27 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology > > >S-721H is NOT 100% naptha and therefore NOT lighter fluid.  You are close, but no cigar (pun intended).  It is a combinatoin of naptha, cyclohexane, hexane & n-hexane. > >Jayson > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Jonathan Little >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:30 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology > > >I’m new to this forum and it’s nice to see some lively chatter. I recently purchases a BX-300 with new belts on e-bay for $200 and I’m loving it!   I used the isopropyl alcohol in professional studios for years, and we would use it on heads and metal parts, but sparingly on pucks and rubber parts. Actually using fantastic (a common home spray cleaner) for deep cleaning rubber.  But it should be noted the American Recorders Technology stuff is 100% Naptha.  Naptha is just lighter fluid, go buy some Ronsonol at your tobacconist and it’s the same stuff.  > >all the best  >Jonathan > >Little Labs >Pro Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting >http://www.littlelabs.com/ >vox/fax: 323.851.6860 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 14:42:40 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 06:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363371784.81746.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363364593.26666.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1363371784.81746.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363527760.12218.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > You own one [....]of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, I don't see how the cost of the deck affects choice of the correct cleaning material. You are confusing people that own a deck (and are emotionally attached to it) with people that service such decks on a regular basis, day in, day out; their livelihood depends on correct choice of material. BTW, 'professional' (mostly used by hobbyists) cleaning liquids contain alcohol or other strong solvents, in one form or another. Read the label  :-). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Jayson Levitz >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:23 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > >Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. > >And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  > >Jayson > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Bob Naylor >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > >Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! >I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers. >Bob > >--- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: > > >>From: Ron >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM >> >> >> >>By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >>alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >>for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >>drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >>there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. >> >>OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >>deliriously happy to take your money  :-). >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Jayson Levitz >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> >>> >>>Hi Cyrus. >>> >>>Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >>> >>>800-777-9580 >>>805-527-9580 >>>Fax 805-527-1433 >>> >>>American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>>PO Box 1450 >>>Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   >>> >>>Jayson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Cyrus Shirali >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> >>> >>>Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else >>> >>>Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>>I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. >>> >>>I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >>> >>>as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >>> >>>issues so far i have with it. >>> >>>it does power on. >>> >>>- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >>> >>>- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >>> >>>- reverse is not as bad as FF >>> >>>- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >>> >>>- some wow & flutter >>> >>>- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >>> >>>-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >>> >>>I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >>> >>> >>>congratulations D on your naval retirement! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >>> >>>> Cyrus, >>>> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >>>y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >>>> >>>> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>>very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains >>>> information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >>>> does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >>>> relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>>> express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is >>>> intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >>>> by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended >>>> recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >>>> contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If >>>> you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >>>> reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >>>> in error, and delete it.  Thank you. >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 14:50:59 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 06:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs In-Reply-To: <94BB5BFA-3D8F-43FD-A281-A9C99893A25B@gmail.com> References: <94BB5BFA-3D8F-43FD-A281-A9C99893A25B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1363528259.7061.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MR-1 >________________________________ > From: Cyrus >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:46 AM >Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs > >    >On another subject, does anyone know if there are any naks out there with xlr inputs or 1/4 to record in or multiple tracks? >I have been eyeing a few tascams recently, any opinions? 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From: tpfinn at btinternet.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:17:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay Took these off the top shelf, a number of useful items there....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-Spares-/111033890127?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players&hash=item19da22b54f T. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: tpfinn at btinternet.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:17:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay Took these off the top shelf, a number of useful items there....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-Spares-/111033890127?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players&hash=item19da22b54f T. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com Mon Mar 18 00:11:09 2013 From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:11:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay deck In-Reply-To: <1407F310-0522-4714-BC9E-3860033B3AE7@ziggo.nl> References: <1407F310-0522-4714-BC9E-3860033B3AE7@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: got mine for half the price.. so it is a bit steep... From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:18:47 +0100 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Ebay deck Hi guys, I want to let you know that i did a overhaul of a zx9 and i put it on ebay. I hope the price is reasonable. 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In-Reply-To: <1363463303.2790.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363564888.35785.YahooMailClassic@web140503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> oh yea don't use MEK  It might be bad for you     saying that i work for the aerospace, building wings for aircraft and all they use is MPK they used to use MEK to clean all metal it is a great cleaner evaporates very fast by the time you take a swap and run it across the heads in or about 3 to 4 seconds its already evaporated way and also very easy to use on your pinch rollers takes the glaze of off them right now. ya know everthing comes with a warning so don't drink the stuff use the stuff just on the metal parts and rollers and don't get it on plastic, use what you want but I have been using this for five years now with no problem --- On Sat, 3/16/13, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 2:48 PM That was a first year college level chemistry refresher for me. Thanks Martin. Interesting read. However, for whatever reason, Jeff Galin once told me never to use IPA on the decks. He fastidiously recommends S-721 from AM recorders. Being brand influenced, I only use that. Never IPA. Someone recommended MEK, but after buying it and trying it on the heads, I quit because of its toxic potential. Finally, S-721 isn't as expensive as it is made out to be. Ram. From: Martin Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. I have to endorse Ron's comments, as this is yet another case of here we go again on this subject!!   To those people firmly in the S-721H camp,  it is good to share your experiences with this 'wonder product', but PLEASE leave it at that, don't perpetrate the misconceptions surrounding IPA as 'bad', it is misinformation.     Hopefully the following will help explain my stance on this topic again, at the risk of flogging a dead horse with some...     IME, most pinch roller rubber is  from the Neoprene family and as such is a compounded product, with all the associated errors and variations that stem from compounding, and that is in addition to careful selection of the Neoprene polymers in the first place. As a synthetic rubber system it has very good stability, resistance to oxidation and most common chemicals.. but like most things doesn't last forever.. it ages... and how it ages depends upon SO many factors.   Neoprene as we know it are polychloroprene polymers compounded with anti-oxidants, acid acceptors, and sometimes other additives such as extenders (mineral fillers), and plasticisers, (such as naptheic oils or esters). The incorporation of anti-oxidants and acid acceptors is paramount to the longevity of the rubber... the former is self explantatory, the latter perhaps needs some explanation.. simply put polychoroprene contains chlorine which is evolved as the rubber ages/oxidises  forming hydrochloric acid, and that needs to be mopped up to retard the rate of degradation.. that is the job of the acid acceptor.   The ageing of neoprene is typically through oxidation, accelerated by heat and UV, and starts from day 1.. so enviroment has an effect, composition has an effect, as does degree of use of the equipment where internal heat build up becomes a small but contributing  factor.   If the Neoprene is compounded correctly and vulcanised correctly , then the ageing is very slow  and effects are typified by a hardening of the exposed surface layer, which eventually cracks and induces splits in the substrate.. in our case the pinch wheel rubber... and it is this cracking  on ageing that is commonly misconstrued as the rubber drying out. If  the neoprene is not compounded correctly and is deficient in critical additives, then it can turn into a gooey mess as it ages,......Most tapeheads have experienced both, I know I have! , but that said I've only ever seen cracked pinch rollers, not gooey ones, and vice versa for belts.   If your tape deck is sitting in a warm room in full sun, then the rubber is going to degrade faster than in a cool artifically lit room... all common sense??.. and rate of ageing also depends upon how well the rubber compounder did his job.   Next, solubility of Neoprene... obviously we don't want to dissolve our precious pinch rollers, but as an Adhesive Chemist in a former life dissolving neoprenes was very dear to my heart for  the manufacture of contact adhesives, thus I have a some experience in this area.   Neoprene is insoluble in alcohols and  aliphatic hydrocarbons, but is attacked by esters, ketones, and aromatics... eg: ethyl acetate, acetone/MEK, toluene.  That said, a mix of aromatic solvent and aliphatic solvent can be a very good synergistic mix for dissolving Neoprene.. more on that is a minute.   S-721H is principally n-hexane, an aliphatic hydrocarbon. IPA is well, IPA, an alcohol. You will often find n-hexane in the solvent mix in a neoprene adhesive, (as a diluant not a solvent), but you will NOT find IPA.. it is not compatible.   Now onto the drying out myth and extraction of the plasticisers. The typical plasticisers/softeners used (in basic terms) , napthenic oils and ester based plasticisers, both of which  are soluble in hydrocarbons, e.g.  hexane, but only miscible in alcohols. So when it comes to dissolving and extracting these from our rubber... n-hexane will be more effective than IPA.   So, in a nutshell  cracking and 'drying out' of the rubber has most to do with the rubber composition and little to do with the fact it was cleaned with IPA or S-721H.        So, S-721H vs Iso Propyl Alcohol...   In reality there isn't much difference for our end use in my opinion, Neoprene has excellent resistance to both, and both work... use what you have available or you prefer.... Burger King or McDonalds...   n-Hexane is faster evaporating, thus in a studio situation where time is critical then S-721H has an advantage, and it is also a better solvent for any oils that could transfer onto the pinch roller when hand threading up an RTR.. which shouldn't be an issue with a cassette. Because it is fast evaporating it generally doens't hang around long enough to start drawing out the plasticisers. IPA is slower, but not as effective at extracting either.. so a moot point really.   Other claims: n-hexane is hygrosopic  so doesn't absorb water.. true....any water contamination will sit as a clear layer under the n-hexane. IPA is fully miscible with water, so best to keep well sealed when not using.. it will equilibrate with the surrounding humidty, but it is not a dessicant, which seems to be the inference in some quarters. 99% is the preferred quality but not so easy to obtain, however 95% IPA generally is .. but don't sweat on the extra water content: as IPA evaporates it takes the water with it...once the water concentration reaches about 12% (88% IPA)  it forms a binary  azeotrope,  thus can't be separated by distillation and also evaporates slightly faster than native IPA...no water is left behind.   This may seem a suck eggs statement: Always use your cleaner 'damp' not dripping on a Q tip...simply to avoid the cleaner getting into the roller or pivot shaft and dissolving out the lubricant... again n-hexane will be more aggressive than IPA in this situation.   Other concerns or  things to be wary of...   I have seen talk of subbing S-721H with Naptha, lighter fluid etc... but unless you know the composition be careful.. Naptha is a very generic term, like PVA.... covers a multitude if sins!... n-hexane is in the light naptha family, but some 'cruder' grades can contain a small percentage of aromatic solvent, usually toluene. I've seen up to 5% toluene in a product also sold as lighter fluid, and that is not good for your rubber, or paint work!.. best to stick with the known product in the bottle.   Similar applies to IPA: Rubbing alcohol is oft suggested, which is usually ethanol not IPA. If it is a medical swabbing grade, probably OK, but if it is a sports grade , then it could contain some perfumes or body oils to counter the drying of skin.. do a wipe test on glass and look for any residue. Also, be careful with denatured alcohol.. typically this is also ethanol, usually denatured with methanol and  commonly known as meths or methylated spirits. It will work as well IPA as a cleaner, but methanol is quite aggressive and can damage some plastic finishes and mar painted surfaces, particularly painted fascia's, eg 580 series.        In my 30+ years of maintaining cassette decks and using IPA almost exclusively, I have yet to have a roller dry out on me, but if I did, I would be looking at the rubber not the IPA or S-721H. If you have S-721H handy use it, if you have IPA.. use it.   --Martin           ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Jayson Levitz ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money  :-). -- Ron From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Hi Cyrus. Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: 800-777-9580 805-527-9580 Fax 805-527-1433 American Recorder Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1450 Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   Jayson From: Cyrus Shirali To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. -  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 05:25:10 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:25:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs In-Reply-To: <1363528259.7061.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <94BB5BFA-3D8F-43FD-A281-A9C99893A25B@gmail.com> <1363528259.7061.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84142CD5-EE86-47E4-A99F-01118F5BF824@gmail.com> do you have any experience with the MR-1, quality? On Mar 17, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Ron wrote: > > > MR-1 > > > > From: Cyrus > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:46 AM > Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs > > > On another subject, does anyone know if there are any naks out there > with xlr inputs or 1/4 to record in or multiple tracks? > I have been eyeing a few tascams recently, any opinions? I basically > am looking to record some of my production music onto cassette. > eventually go to reels. > > tascam 112mkII > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/122mkii > > tascam 112mkIII > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/122mkiii > > or this 4 track one > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/tascam/234 > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Mon Mar 18 10:02:41 2013 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:02:41 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we goagain.. References: <46845AC1-ACCD-4763-9B00-9546B8AD8CD8@gmail.com><1363340485.13591.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1363352432.47790.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363463303.2790.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram, I think one of the reasons some professional people have an aversion to IPA is this: as a cleaner IPA and various commercial concoctions were almost universally used, (certainly domestically due to attainability) thus when they saw roller 'damage'... IPA copped the blame, rather than looking at shonky rubber.or simply ageing. When I was formulating, n-Hexane was a similar cost to IPA, so expense difference shouldn't be a factor... not sure on the cost today, but I can check it! I think it was note on Scott's site, refering to Stephen Sank and MEK. It is a very agressive solvent and will bite into neoprene... so as a general cleaner I would avoid it except in two instances.. I was doing some heavy degreasing of metal parts or trying to free seized roller pivots, as it will cut dried heavy grease quickly, and the second is if I have a badly glazed pinch roller and no spares, used sparingly it will strip off the glaze and give you a useable surface. I wouldn't use it on a head unless there was some serious residue that wouldn't budge, as there is a risk of attack on the potting compound used to encapsulate the head windings. In terms of toxic potential.. MEK and 721H would be similar.. both are neurotoxins and CNS 'depressants'.. just that MEK has a highly unpleasant odour so people tend to get out of the way rather quickly: n-hexane is less offensive thus can actually be more dangerous, (and more flammable.). but then no solvent is good for you!! hence the warnings about good ventilation as a minimum. I have seen Windex, soap and water, and dry scrub only, as other remedies promoted for cleaning pinch rollers by some very credible people, so really: pick your course, back your horse, your choice. M ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we goagain.. That was a first year college level chemistry refresher for me. Thanks Martin. Interesting read. However, for whatever reason, Jeff Galin once told me never to use IPA on the decks. He fastidiously recommends S-721 from AM recorders. Being brand influenced, I only use that. Never IPA. Someone recommended MEK, but after buying it and trying it on the heads, I quit because of its toxic potential. Finally, S-721 isn't as expensive as it is made out to be. Ram. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Martin Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. I have to endorse Ron's comments, as this is yet another case of here we go again on this subject!! To those people firmly in the S-721H camp, it is good to share your experiences with this 'wonder product', but PLEASE leave it at that, don't perpetrate the misconceptions surrounding IPA as 'bad', it is misinformation. Hopefully the following will help explain my stance on this topic again, at the risk of flogging a dead horse with some... IME, most pinch roller rubber is from the Neoprene family and as such is a compounded product, with all the associated errors and variations that stem from compounding, and that is in addition to careful selection of the Neoprene polymers in the first place. As a synthetic rubber system it has very good stability, resistance to oxidation and most common chemicals.. but like most things doesn't last forever.. it ages... and how it ages depends upon SO many factors. Neoprene as we know it are polychloroprene polymers compounded with anti-oxidants, acid acceptors, and sometimes other additives such as extenders (mineral fillers), and plasticisers, (such as naptheic oils or esters). The incorporation of anti-oxidants and acid acceptors is paramount to the longevity of the rubber... the former is self explantatory, the latter perhaps needs some explanation.. simply put polychoroprene contains chlorine which is evolved as the rubber ages/oxidises forming hydrochloric acid, and that needs to be mopped up to retard the rate of degradation.. that is the job of the acid acceptor. The ageing of neoprene is typically through oxidation, accelerated by heat and UV, and starts from day 1.. so enviroment has an effect, composition has an effect, as does degree of use of the equipment where internal heat build up becomes a small but contributing factor. If the Neoprene is compounded correctly and vulcanised correctly , then the ageing is very slow and effects are typified by a hardening of the exposed surface layer, which eventually cracks and induces splits in the substrate.. in our case the pinch wheel rubber... and it is this cracking on ageing that is commonly misconstrued as the rubber drying out. If the neoprene is not compounded correctly and is deficient in critical additives, then it can turn into a gooey mess as it ages,......Most tapeheads have experienced both, I know I have! , but that said I've only ever seen cracked pinch rollers, not gooey ones, and vice versa for belts. If your tape deck is sitting in a warm room in full sun, then the rubber is going to degrade faster than in a cool artifically lit room... all common sense??.. and rate of ageing also depends upon how well the rubber compounder did his job. Next, solubility of Neoprene... obviously we don't want to dissolve our precious pinch rollers, but as an Adhesive Chemist in a former life dissolving neoprenes was very dear to my heart for the manufacture of contact adhesives, thus I have a some experience in this area. Neoprene is insoluble in alcohols and aliphatic hydrocarbons, but is attacked by esters, ketones, and aromatics... eg: ethyl acetate, acetone/MEK, toluene. That said, a mix of aromatic solvent and aliphatic solvent can be a very good synergistic mix for dissolving Neoprene.. more on that is a minute. S-721H is principally n-hexane, an aliphatic hydrocarbon. IPA is well, IPA, an alcohol. You will often find n-hexane in the solvent mix in a neoprene adhesive, (as a diluant not a solvent), but you will NOT find IPA.. it is not compatible. Now onto the drying out myth and extraction of the plasticisers. The typical plasticisers/softeners used (in basic terms) , napthenic oils and ester based plasticisers, both of which are soluble in hydrocarbons, e.g. hexane, but only miscible in alcohols. So when it comes to dissolving and extracting these from our rubber... n-hexane will be more effective than IPA. So, in a nutshell cracking and 'drying out' of the rubber has most to do with the rubber composition and little to do with the fact it was cleaned with IPA or S-721H. So, S-721H vs Iso Propyl Alcohol... In reality there isn't much difference for our end use in my opinion, Neoprene has excellent resistance to both, and both work... use what you have available or you prefer.... Burger King or McDonalds... n-Hexane is faster evaporating, thus in a studio situation where time is critical then S-721H has an advantage, and it is also a better solvent for any oils that could transfer onto the pinch roller when hand threading up an RTR.. which shouldn't be an issue with a cassette. Because it is fast evaporating it generally doens't hang around long enough to start drawing out the plasticisers. IPA is slower, but not as effective at extracting either.. so a moot point really. Other claims: n-hexane is hygrosopic so doesn't absorb water.. true....any water contamination will sit as a clear layer under the n-hexane. IPA is fully miscible with water, so best to keep well sealed when not using.. it will equilibrate with the surrounding humidty, but it is not a dessicant, which seems to be the inference in some quarters. 99% is the preferred quality but not so easy to obtain, however 95% IPA generally is .. but don't sweat on the extra water content: as IPA evaporates it takes the water with it...once the water concentration reaches about 12% (88% IPA) it forms a binary azeotrope, thus can't be separated by distillation and also evaporates slightly faster than native IPA...no water is left behind. This may seem a suck eggs statement: Always use your cleaner 'damp' not dripping on a Q tip...simply to avoid the cleaner getting into the roller or pivot shaft and dissolving out the lubricant... again n-hexane will be more aggressive than IPA in this situation. Other concerns or things to be wary of... I have seen talk of subbing S-721H with Naptha, lighter fluid etc... but unless you know the composition be careful.. Naptha is a very generic term, like PVA.... covers a multitude if sins!... n-hexane is in the light naptha family, but some 'cruder' grades can contain a small percentage of aromatic solvent, usually toluene. I've seen up to 5% toluene in a product also sold as lighter fluid, and that is not good for your rubber, or paint work!.. best to stick with the known product in the bottle. Similar applies to IPA: Rubbing alcohol is oft suggested, which is usually ethanol not IPA. If it is a medical swabbing grade, probably OK, but if it is a sports grade , then it could contain some perfumes or body oils to counter the drying of skin.. do a wipe test on glass and look for any residue. Also, be careful with denatured alcohol.. typically this is also ethanol, usually denatured with methanol and commonly known as meths or methylated spirits. It will work as well IPA as a cleaner, but methanol is quite aggressive and can damage some plastic finishes and mar painted surfaces, particularly painted fascia's, eg 580 series. In my 30+ years of maintaining cassette decks and using IPA almost exclusively, I have yet to have a roller dry out on me, but if I did, I would be looking at the rubber not the IPA or S-721H. If you have S-721H handy use it, if you have IPA.. use it. --Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Jayson Levitz ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money :-). -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Hi Cyrus. Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: 800-777-9580 805-527-9580 Fax 805-527-1433 American Recorder Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1450 Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 Jayson -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cyrus Shirali To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price. I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the > contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this electronic transmission in error, please > reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message > in error, and delete it. 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Mon Mar 18 11:10:18 2013 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:10:18 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H AmericanRecorders technology References: <1363382826.61709.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82C3CBCFC219497C996B5B09DAFEA258@desktop> Politely suggest you RE-READ the bottle, or the MSDS for the product... from their MSDS anyway: S-721H IS 100% Naptha... quote: Naptha (petroleum) hydrotreated light: 100%......... (and the hydrotreated usually means it has been passed over a zeolite bed or similar to remove any water...) the section below that is the hazardous ingredients compositional breakdown of that 100%!.. which is the cyclohexane(<3%) , hexane isomers (normally iso hexanes) (15-40%), and n-hexane (45-60%) and BTW S-721H is from the same family as 'lighter fluid'.. both are light fraction naptha's.... like 91 and 96 octane are both petrol... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H AmericanRecorders technology S-721H is NOT 100% naptha and therefore NOT lighter fluid. You are close, but no cigar (pun intended). It is a combinatoin of naptha, cyclohexane, hexane & n-hexane. Jayson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Jonathan Little To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Annhyydrous 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or S-721H American Recorders technology I’m new to this forum and it’s nice to see some lively chatter. I recently purchases a BX-300 with new belts on e-bay for $200 and I’m loving it! I used the isopropyl alcohol in professional studios for years, and we would use it on heads and metal parts, but sparingly on pucks and rubber parts. Actually using fantastic (a common home spray cleaner) for deep cleaning rubber. But it should be noted the American Recorders Technology stuff is 100% Naptha. Naptha is just lighter fluid, go buy some Ronsonol at your tobacconist and it’s the same stuff. all the best Jonathan Little Labs Pro Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting http://www.littlelabs.com/ vox/fax: 323.851.6860 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of pieter rodgers Sent: 17 March 2013 22:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay tried to bid on it, but seller won´t ship to Germany... someone in usa have fun bidding ;) _____ From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:59:41 +0100 would one be able to make a portable cassette player (i.e. Walkman) with these parts??? _____ From: tpfinn at btinternet.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:17:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay Took these off the top shelf, a number of useful items there.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-Spares-/111033890127?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_ Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19da22b54f T. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A second hand walkman Pro makes much more sense (if you want a portable cassette deck) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of pieter rodgers Sent: 17 March 2013 22:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay would one be able to make a portable cassette player (i.e. Walkman) with these parts??? _____ From: tpfinn at btinternet.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:17:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay Took these off the top shelf, a number of useful items there.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-Spares-/111033890127?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_ Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19da22b54f T. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: tpfinn at btinternet.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:17:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on EbayTook these off the top shelf, a number of useful items there....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-Spares-/111033890127?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Cassette_Tape_Players&hash=item19da22b54f T. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 17:40:42 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. References: <201303181119.r2IBBiIJ008362@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1363624842.54494.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Other claims: n-hexane is hygrosopic  so doesn't absorb water.. true....any water contamination will sit as a clear layer under the n-hexane. IPA is fully miscible with water, so best to keep well sealed when not using.. it will equilibrate with the surrounding humidty, but it is not a dessicant, which seems to be the inference in some quarters. 99% is the preferred quality but not so easy to obtain, however 95% IPA generally is .. but don't sweat on the extra water content: as IPA evaporates it takes the water with it...once the water concentration reaches about 12% (88% IPA)  it forms a binary  azeotrope,  thus can't be separated by distillation and also evaporates slightly faster than native IPA...no water is left behind. ________________________________ OK, you need to clarify this for me. Hygroscopic means that the substance in question actually attracts water. For example, common brake fluid is incredibly hygroscopic and attracts water like crazy.....so much so that you should change your brake fluid every few yrs so that the water doesn't eventually ruin your braking system. 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Just plain dusting is bad enuff!Bob --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Cyrus wrote: From: Cyrus Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:26 AM Bob, haha, i just have a special sense of humor.. i do like your methods for keeping the fonts cleans on buttons. respect on that.do what works and is best for you. I am might have to ask you later about your radio hobby, i have a few old grundig satellite radios that might i might plug in soon.  On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: Cyrus, LOL! but almost. My hands are always washed B4 doing anything including playing/recording etc just for that oil reason. It does keep all the knobs and buttons clean. I also have a radio hobby which I do the same. It keeps the "font" from wearing off buttons or causing that ring around the knobs. Jason just didn't understand my methods here. Jason, do you think just because something has a label on it that it's the best? If you do, you're mistaken. All products are made to sell off the shelf. This may not be a fair comparison but the idea is the same... Window cleaner is mainly ammonia. You can buy a gallon of ammonia for half the cost of a small bottle of window cleaner it just may not be scented, so how much window cleaner can you make from this one gallon bottle. Like I said, this may not be a fair comparison but you get the idea. I do agree with Ron that you could damage rubber by soaking the rollers but just wiping them will not do as much harm as just using the deck. Have a great day.Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Cyrus wrote: From: Cyrus Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:10 PM I believe Bob uses latex mittens while he works on his decks so he doesn't get oil on his heads.  just kidding bob. all this advice is great ! On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  Jayson From: Bob Naylor To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them!I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers.Bob --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be deliriously happy to take your money  :-). -- Ron From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Hi Cyrus. Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: 800-777-9580 805-527-9580 Fax 805-527-1433 American Recorder Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1450 Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   Jayson From: Cyrus Shirali To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? issues so far i have with it. it does power on. - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. - reverse is not as bad as FF - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs - some wow & flutter - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. -  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. congratulations D on your naval retirement! On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Cyrus, > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. 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In-Reply-To: <1363564888.35785.YahooMailClassic@web140503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363463303.2790.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1363564888.35785.YahooMailClassic@web140503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363655411.23390.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I still use MEK when nothing else works. A couple of months ago I stripped the cover of a Heathkit instrument down to bare meatal... Scary stuff though. The fumes alone will do to your lungs the same thing it does to hard paint. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Russ Seals >To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:01 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. > > >oh yea don't use MEK  It might be bad for you     saying that i work for the aerospace, building wings for aircraft and all they use is MPK they used to use MEK to clean all metal it is a great cleaner evaporates very fast by the time you take a swap and run it across the heads in or about 3 to 4 seconds its already evaporated way and also very easy to use on your pinch rollers takes the glaze of off them right now. >ya know everthing comes with a warning so don't drink the stuff use the stuff just on the metal parts and rollers and don't get it on plastic, use what you want but I have been using this for five years now with no problem > > >--- On Sat, 3/16/13, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > >>From: shanti ramachandran >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 2:48 PM >> >> >>That was a first year college level chemistry refresher for me. Thanks Martin. Interesting read. >> >> >>However, for whatever reason, Jeff Galin once told me never to use IPA on the decks. He fastidiously recommends S-721 from AM recorders. Being brand influenced, I only use that. Never IPA. Someone recommended MEK, but after buying it and trying it on the heads, I quit because of its toxic potential. >> >> >>Finally, S-721 isn't as expensive as it is made out to be. >> >> >>Ram. >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Martin Short >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. >> >> >> >>I have to endorse Ron's comments, as this is yet another case of here we go again on this subject!! >>  >>To those people firmly in the S-721H camp,  it is good to share your experiences with this 'wonder product', but PLEASE leave it at that, don't perpetrate the misconceptions surrounding IPA as 'bad', it is misinformation. >>  >>  >>Hopefully the following will help explain my stance on this topic again, at the risk of flogging a dead horse with some... >>  >>  >>IME, most pinch roller rubber is  from the Neoprene family and as such is a compounded product, with all the associated errors and variations that stem from compounding, and that is in addition to careful selection of the Neoprene polymers in the first place. As a synthetic rubber system it has very good stability, resistance to oxidation and most common chemicals.. but like most things doesn't last forever.. it ages... and how it ages depends upon SO many factors. >>  >>Neoprene as we know it are polychloroprene polymers compounded with anti-oxidants, acid acceptors, and sometimes other additives such as extenders (mineral fillers), and plasticisers, (such as naptheic oils or esters). The incorporation of anti-oxidants and acid acceptors is paramount to the longevity of the rubber... the former is self explantatory, the latter perhaps needs some explanation.. simply put polychoroprene contains chlorine which is evolved as the rubber ages/oxidises  forming hydrochloric acid, and that needs to be mopped up to retard the rate of degradation.. that is the job of the acid acceptor. >>  >>The ageing of neoprene is typically through oxidation, accelerated by heat and UV, and starts from day 1.. so enviroment has an effect, composition has an effect, as does degree of use of the equipment where internal heat build up becomes a small but contributing  factor. >>  >>If the Neoprene is compounded correctly and vulcanised correctly , then the ageing is very slow  and effects are typified by a hardening of the exposed surface layer, which eventually cracks and induces splits in the substrate.. in our case the pinch wheel rubber... and it is this cracking  on ageing that is commonly misconstrued as the rubber drying out. If  the neoprene is not compounded correctly and is deficient in critical additives, then it can turn into a gooey mess as it ages,......Most tapeheads have experienced both, I know I have! , but that said I've only ever seen cracked pinch rollers, not gooey ones, and vice versa for belts. >>  >>If your tape deck is sitting in a warm room in full sun, then the rubber is going to degrade faster than in a cool artifically lit room... all common sense??.. and rate of ageing also depends upon how well the rubber compounder did his job. >>  >>Next, solubility of Neoprene... obviously we don't want to dissolve our precious pinch rollers, but as an Adhesive Chemist in a former life dissolving neoprenes was very dear to my heart for  the manufacture of contact adhesives, thus I have a some experience in this area. >>  >>Neoprene is insoluble in alcohols and  aliphatic hydrocarbons, but is attacked by esters, ketones, and aromatics... eg: ethyl acetate, acetone/MEK, toluene.  That said, a mix of aromatic solvent and aliphatic solvent can be a very good synergistic mix for dissolving Neoprene.. more on that is a minute. >>  >>S-721H is principally n-hexane, an aliphatic hydrocarbon. IPA is well, IPA, an alcohol. You will often find n-hexane in the solvent mix in a neoprene adhesive, (as a diluant not a solvent), but you will NOT find IPA.. it is not compatible. >>  >>Now onto the drying out myth and extraction of the plasticisers. The typical plasticisers/softeners used (in basic terms) , napthenic oils and ester based plasticisers, both of which  are soluble in hydrocarbons, e.g.  hexane, but only miscible in alcohols. So when it comes to dissolving and extracting these from our rubber... n-hexane will be more effective than IPA. >>  >>So, in a nutshell  cracking and 'drying out' of the rubber has most to do with the rubber composition and little to do with the fact it was cleaned with IPA or S-721H.  >>  >>  >>  >>So, S-721H vs Iso Propyl Alcohol... >>  >>In reality there isn't much difference for our end use in my opinion, Neoprene has excellent resistance to both, and both work... use what you have available or you prefer.... Burger King or McDonalds... >>  >>n-Hexane is faster evaporating, thus in a studio situation where time is critical then S-721H has an advantage, and it is also a better solvent for any oils that could transfer onto the pinch roller when hand threading up an RTR.. which shouldn't be an issue with a cassette. Because it is fast evaporating it generally doens't hang around long enough to start drawing out the plasticisers. IPA is slower, but not as effective at extracting either.. so a moot point really. >>  >>Other claims: n-hexane is hygrosopic  so doesn't absorb water.. true....any water contamination will sit as a clear layer under the n-hexane. IPA is fully miscible with water, so best to keep well sealed when not using.. it will equilibrate with the surrounding humidty, but it is not a dessicant, which seems to be the inference in some quarters. 99% is the preferred quality but not so easy to obtain, however 95% IPA generally is .. but don't sweat on the extra water content: as IPA evaporates it takes the water with it...once the water concentration reaches about 12% (88% IPA)  it forms a binary  azeotrope,  thus can't be separated by distillation and also evaporates slightly faster than native IPA...no water is left behind. >>  >>This may seem a suck eggs statement: Always use your cleaner 'damp' not dripping on a Q tip...simply to avoid the cleaner getting into the roller or pivot shaft and dissolving out the lubricant... again n-hexane will be more aggressive than IPA in this situation. >>  >>Other concerns or  things to be wary of... >>  >>I have seen talk of subbing S-721H with Naptha, lighter fluid etc... but unless you know the composition be careful.. Naptha is a very generic term, like PVA.... covers a multitude if sins!... >>n-hexane is in the light naptha family, but some 'cruder' grades can contain a small percentage of aromatic solvent, usually toluene. I've seen up to 5% toluene in a product also sold as lighter fluid, and that is not good for your rubber, or paint work!.. best to stick with the known product in the bottle. >>  >>Similar applies to IPA: Rubbing alcohol is oft suggested, which is usually ethanol not IPA. If it is a medical swabbing grade, probably OK, but if it is a sports grade , then it could contain some perfumes or body oils to counter the drying of skin.. do a wipe test on glass and look for any residue. Also, be careful with denatured alcohol.. typically this is also ethanol, usually denatured with methanol and  commonly known as meths or methylated spirits. It will work as well IPA as a cleaner, but methanol is quite aggressive and can damage some plastic finishes and mar painted surfaces, particularly painted fascia's, eg 580 series.  >>  >>  >>  >>In my 30+ years of maintaining cassette decks and using IPA almost exclusively, I have yet to have a roller dry out on me, but if I did, I would be looking at the rubber not the IPA or S-721H. >>If you have S-721H handy use it, if you have IPA.. use it. >>  >>--Martin >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Ron >>>To: Jayson Levitz ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:00 AM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> >>> >>> >>>By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >>>alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >>>for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >>>drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >>>there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. >>> >>>OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >>>deliriously happy to take your money  :-). >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Jayson Levitz >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Cyrus. >>>> >>>>Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >>>> >>>>800-777-9580 >>>>805-527-9580 >>>>Fax 805-527-1433 >>>> >>>>American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>>>PO Box 1450 >>>>Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   >>>> >>>>Jayson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Cyrus Shirali >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>> >>>> >>>>Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else >>>> >>>>Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>>>I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. >>>> >>>>I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >>>> >>>>as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >>>> >>>>issues so far i have with it. >>>> >>>>it does power on. >>>> >>>>- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >>>> >>>>- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >>>> >>>>- reverse is not as bad as FF >>>> >>>>- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >>>> >>>>- some wow & flutter >>>> >>>>- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >>>> >>>>-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >>>> >>>>I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >>>> >>>> >>>>congratulations D on your naval retirement! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cyrus, >>>>> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >>>>y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >>>>> >>>>> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>>>very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. 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The MR-1 is essentially a BX-300 with 'professional' 1/4" and XLR jacks. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Cyrus >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:25 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs > > >do you have any experience with the MR-1, quality? > > > >On Mar 17, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Ron wrote: > > >> >>MR-1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Cyrus >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:46 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] naks with other multiple inputs >>> >>>    >>>On another subject, does anyone know if there are any naks out there with xlr inputs or 1/4 to record in or multiple tracks? >>>I have been eyeing a few tascams recently, any opinions? 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URL: From icmllc at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 03:23:52 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:23:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. In-Reply-To: <1363655411.23390.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363463303.2790.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1363564888.35785.YahooMailClassic@web140503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363655411.23390.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6DE6C49A-FA33-4FCD-8D6E-735F58F48F5A@gmail.com> Ron I used this with Xyelene in grad school. We had a lot of ventilation and gloves. Gets absorbed through skin. Hope your area was ventilated Ashvin On Mar 18, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Ron wrote: > > I still use MEK when nothing else works. A couple of months ago I stripped the cover of a > Heathkit instrument down to bare meatal... > > Scary stuff though. The fumes alone will do to your lungs the same thing it does to > hard paint. > > -- Ron > > > From: Russ Seals > To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. > > oh yea don't use MEK It might be bad for you saying that i work for the aerospace, building wings for aircraft and all they use is MPK they used to use MEK to clean all metal it is a great cleaner evaporates very fast by the time you take a swap and run it across the heads in or about 3 to 4 seconds its already evaporated way and also very easy to use on your pinch rollers takes the glaze of off them right now. > ya know everthing comes with a warning so don't drink the stuff use the stuff just on the metal parts and rollers and don't get it on plastic, use what you want but I have been using this for five years now with no problem > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 2:48 PM > > That was a first year college level chemistry refresher for me. Thanks Martin. Interesting read. > > However, for whatever reason, Jeff Galin once told me never to use IPA on the decks. He fastidiously recommends S-721 from AM recorders. Being brand influenced, I only use that. Never IPA. Someone recommended MEK, but after buying it and trying it on the heads, I quit because of its toxic potential. > > Finally, S-721 isn't as expensive as it is made out to be. > > Ram. > > From: Martin Short > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. > > I have to endorse Ron's comments, as this is yet another case of here we go again on this subject!! > > To those people firmly in the S-721H camp, it is good to share your experiences with this 'wonder product', but PLEASE leave it at that, don't perpetrate the misconceptions surrounding IPA as 'bad', it is misinformation. > > > Hopefully the following will help explain my stance on this topic again, at the risk of flogging a dead horse with some... > > > IME, most pinch roller rubber is from the Neoprene family and as such is a compounded product, with all the associated errors and variations that stem from compounding, and that is in addition to careful selection of the Neoprene polymers in the first place. As a synthetic rubber system it has very good stability, resistance to oxidation and most common chemicals.. but like most things doesn't last forever.. it ages... and how it ages depends upon SO many factors. > > Neoprene as we know it are polychloroprene polymers compounded with anti-oxidants, acid acceptors, and sometimes other additives such as extenders (mineral fillers), and plasticisers, (such as naptheic oils or esters). The incorporation of anti-oxidants and acid acceptors is paramount to the longevity of the rubber... the former is self explantatory, the latter perhaps needs some explanation.. simply put polychoroprene contains chlorine which is evolved as the rubber ages/oxidises forming hydrochloric acid, and that needs to be mopped up to retard the rate of degradation.. that is the job of the acid acceptor. > > The ageing of neoprene is typically through oxidation, accelerated by heat and UV, and starts from day 1.. so enviroment has an effect, composition has an effect, as does degree of use of the equipment where internal heat build up becomes a small but contributing factor. > > If the Neoprene is compounded correctly and vulcanised correctly , then the ageing is very slow and effects are typified by a hardening of the exposed surface layer, which eventually cracks and induces splits in the substrate.. in our case the pinch wheel rubber... and it is this cracking on ageing that is commonly misconstrued as the rubber drying out. If the neoprene is not compounded correctly and is deficient in critical additives, then it can turn into a gooey mess as it ages,......Most tapeheads have experienced both, I know I have! , but that said I've only ever seen cracked pinch rollers, not gooey ones, and vice versa for belts. > > If your tape deck is sitting in a warm room in full sun, then the rubber is going to degrade faster than in a cool artifically lit room... all common sense??.. and rate of ageing also depends upon how well the rubber compounder did his job. > > Next, solubility of Neoprene... obviously we don't want to dissolve our precious pinch rollers, but as an Adhesive Chemist in a former life dissolving neoprenes was very dear to my heart for the manufacture of contact adhesives, thus I have a some experience in this area. > > Neoprene is insoluble in alcohols and aliphatic hydrocarbons, but is attacked by esters, ketones, and aromatics... eg: ethyl acetate, acetone/MEK, toluene. That said, a mix of aromatic solvent and aliphatic solvent can be a very good synergistic mix for dissolving Neoprene.. more on that is a minute. > > S-721H is principally n-hexane, an aliphatic hydrocarbon. IPA is well, IPA, an alcohol. You will often find n-hexane in the solvent mix in a neoprene adhesive, (as a diluant not a solvent), but you will NOT find IPA.. it is not compatible. > > Now onto the drying out myth and extraction of the plasticisers. The typical plasticisers/softeners used (in basic terms) , napthenic oils and ester based plasticisers, both of which are soluble in hydrocarbons, e.g. hexane, but only miscible in alcohols. So when it comes to dissolving and extracting these from our rubber... n-hexane will be more effective than IPA. > > So, in a nutshell cracking and 'drying out' of the rubber has most to do with the rubber composition and little to do with the fact it was cleaned with IPA or S-721H. > > > > So, S-721H vs Iso Propyl Alcohol... > > In reality there isn't much difference for our end use in my opinion, Neoprene has excellent resistance to both, and both work... use what you have available or you prefer.... Burger King or McDonalds... > > n-Hexane is faster evaporating, thus in a studio situation where time is critical then S-721H has an advantage, and it is also a better solvent for any oils that could transfer onto the pinch roller when hand threading up an RTR.. which shouldn't be an issue with a cassette. Because it is fast evaporating it generally doens't hang around long enough to start drawing out the plasticisers. IPA is slower, but not as effective at extracting either.. so a moot point really. > > Other claims: n-hexane is hygrosopic so doesn't absorb water.. true....any water contamination will sit as a clear layer under the n-hexane. IPA is fully miscible with water, so best to keep well sealed when not using.. it will equilibrate with the surrounding humidty, but it is not a dessicant, which seems to be the inference in some quarters. 99% is the preferred quality but not so easy to obtain, however 95% IPA generally is .. but don't sweat on the extra water content: as IPA evaporates it takes the water with it...once the water concentration reaches about 12% (88% IPA) it forms a binary azeotrope, thus can't be separated by distillation and also evaporates slightly faster than native IPA...no water is left behind. > > This may seem a suck eggs statement: Always use your cleaner 'damp' not dripping on a Q tip...simply to avoid the cleaner getting into the roller or pivot shaft and dissolving out the lubricant... again n-hexane will be more aggressive than IPA in this situation. > > Other concerns or things to be wary of... > > I have seen talk of subbing S-721H with Naptha, lighter fluid etc... but unless you know the composition be careful.. Naptha is a very generic term, like PVA.... covers a multitude if sins!... > n-hexane is in the light naptha family, but some 'cruder' grades can contain a small percentage of aromatic solvent, usually toluene. I've seen up to 5% toluene in a product also sold as lighter fluid, and that is not good for your rubber, or paint work!.. best to stick with the known product in the bottle. > > Similar applies to IPA: Rubbing alcohol is oft suggested, which is usually ethanol not IPA. If it is a medical swabbing grade, probably OK, but if it is a sports grade , then it could contain some perfumes or body oils to counter the drying of skin.. do a wipe test on glass and look for any residue. Also, be careful with denatured alcohol.. typically this is also ethanol, usually denatured with methanol and commonly known as meths or methylated spirits. It will work as well IPA as a cleaner, but methanol is quite aggressive and can damage some plastic finishes and mar painted surfaces, particularly painted fascia's, eg 580 series. > > > > In my 30+ years of maintaining cassette decks and using IPA almost exclusively, I have yet to have a roller dry out on me, but if I did, I would be looking at the rubber not the IPA or S-721H. > If you have S-721H handy use it, if you have IPA.. use it. > > --Martin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Jayson Levitz ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > > By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl > alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol > for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by > drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, > there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. > > OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be > deliriously happy to take your money :-). > > -- Ron > > > > From: Jayson Levitz > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > Hi Cyrus. > > Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: > > 800-777-9580 > 805-527-9580 > Fax 805-527-1433 > > American Recorder Technologies, Inc. > PO Box 1450 > Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 > > Jayson > > > From: Cyrus Shirali > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > > > Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else > > Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. > I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means.. but eager to find out. > > I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. > > as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? > > issues so far i have with it. > > it does power on. > > - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. > > - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. > > - reverse is not as bad as FF > > - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs > > - some wow & flutter > > - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. > > - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted > > I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. > > > congratulations D on your naval retirement! > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > > > Cyrus, > > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes, but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! > y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. > > > > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price. I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! > very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. 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URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Mar 19 09:56:46 2013 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:56:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: <000001ce2354$de0d6d50$9a2847f0$@com>, , <002f01ce23f2$4f3934d0$edab9e70$@com> Message-ID: <00e001ce247f$afcbf930$0f63eb90$@com> Sanity regained at naktalk (thankfully, for now) J T. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of pieter rodgers Sent: 18 March 2013 18:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay I wasn´t being serious ;) and I do have two walkmans/ walkmen... Pieter _____ From: tpfinn at btinternet.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:04:45 +0000 Why? A second hand walkman Pro makes much more sense (if you want a portable cassette deck) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of pieter rodgers Sent: 17 March 2013 22:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay would one be able to make a portable cassette player (i.e. Walkman) with these parts??? _____ From: tpfinn at btinternet.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:17:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Sankyo Mechanisms on Ebay Took these off the top shelf, a number of useful items there.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-Spares-/111033890127?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_ Cassette_Tape_Players &hash=item19da22b54f T. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Tue Mar 19 21:28:32 2013 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:28:32 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. In-Reply-To: <201303191106.r2JB06hC012010@zxe.naks.com> References: <201303191106.r2JB06hC012010@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <78cc114214d950179dc34039e83df4bf.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> > > Other claims: n-hexane is hygrosopic  so > doesn't absorb water.. true....any water contamination will sit as a clear > layer > under the n-hexane. IPA is fully miscible with water, so best to keep well > sealed when not using.. it will equilibrate with the surrounding humidty, > but it > is not a dessicant, which seems to be the inference in some quarters. 99% > is the > preferred quality but not so easy to obtain, however > 95% IPA generally is .. but don't sweat on the extra water content: as > IPA evaporates it takes the water with it...once the water concentration > reaches > about 12% (88% IPA)  it forms a binary  azeotrope,  thus can't be > separated by distillation and also evaporates slightly faster than native > IPA...no water is left behind. > > > ________________________________ > > OK, you need to clarify this for me. Hygroscopic means that the substance > in question actually attracts water. For example, common brake fluid is > incredibly hygroscopic and attracts water like crazy.....so much so that > you should change your brake fluid every few yrs so that the water doesn't > eventually ruin your braking system. > > Kevin > Kevin, Thanks, correct, My bad!...it was a cut and paste from the 'op' text and I should have picked that up. I should have corrected to 'Immiscible' , though n-Hexane does have minimal solubility in water.... in the order of micrograms per litre. Martin From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 04:32:48 2013 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. In-Reply-To: <1363655411.23390.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363836768.6530.YahooMailClassic@web140504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> + 1 Ron the shit just works I use it for lot's of things I do,I use the proper gloves when cleaning at work and at home and plenty of ventilation. All I can say to people on naktalk is use your head follow direction --- On Mon, 3/18/13, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "shanti ramachandran" Date: Monday, March 18, 2013, 8:10 PM I still use MEK when nothing else works. A couple of months ago I stripped the cover of a Heathkit instrument down to bare meatal... Scary stuff though. The fumes alone will do to your lungs the same thing it does to hard paint. -- Ron From: Russ Seals To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480. S-721H vs IPA... here we go again.. oh yea don't use MEK  It might be bad for you     saying that i work for the aerospace, building wings for aircraft and all they use is MPK they used to use MEK to clean all metal it is a great cleaner evaporates very fast by the time you take a swap and run it across the heads in or about 3 to 4 seconds its already evaporated way and also very easy to use on your pinch rollers takes the glaze of off them right now. ya know everthing comes with a warning so don't drink the stuff use the stuff just on the metal parts and rollers and don't get it on plastic, use what you want but I have been using this for five years now with no problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 04:38:39 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:38:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: <1363632710.16348.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1363632710.16348.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: COol Bob, My grandfather passed me a couple of old grundigs, I haven't turned them on in years, but when i do, ill let you know how they run. I always kept them clean. i am in the middle of rewiring / adding / organizing some of my studio equipment. I am kinda interested in using one of the satellite radios and sampling from it, i remember always tuning odd stations in the air On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Cyrus, I would be interested in hearing about your radios. I do old > radio repair when I have time. Most of the time tube radios but also > the little shirt pocket transistor radios. > Once the "font" wears off these old radios, you now have a project > that to me is no where near fun! Keeping the morse code key clean is > essential. They are not fun to clean! Just plain dusting is bad enuff! > Bob > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Cyrus wrote: > > From: Cyrus > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:26 AM > > Bob, haha, i just have a special sense of humor.. i do like your > methods for keeping the fonts cleans on buttons. respect on that. > do what works and is best for you. I am might have to ask you later > about your radio hobby, i have a few old grundig satellite radios > that might i might plug in soon. > > > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > >> Cyrus, LOL! but almost. My hands are always washed B4 doing >> anything including playing/recording etc just for that oil reason. >> It does keep all the knobs and buttons clean. I also have a radio >> hobby which I do the same. It keeps the "font" from wearing off >> buttons or causing that ring around the knobs. >> >> Jason just didn't understand my methods here. >> >> Jason, do you think just because something has a label on it that >> it's the best? If you do, you're mistaken. All products are made to >> sell off the shelf. This may not be a fair comparison but the idea >> is the same... Window cleaner is mainly ammonia. You can buy a >> gallon of ammonia for half the cost of a small bottle of window >> cleaner it just may not be scented, so how much window cleaner can >> you make from this one gallon bottle. Like I said, this may not be >> a fair comparison but you get the idea. >> >> I do agree with Ron that you could damage rubber by soaking the >> rollers but just wiping them will not do as much harm as just using >> the deck. >> >> Have a great day. >> Bob >> >> --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Cyrus wrote: >> >> From: Cyrus >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >> To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks" >> Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:10 PM >> >> I believe Bob uses latex mittens while he works on his decks so he >> doesn't get oil on his heads. >> >> just kidding bob. >> >> all this advice is great ! >> >> >> On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: >> >>> Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if >>> not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), >>> you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional >>> money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not >>> want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a >>> cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber >>> over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)? >>> Absolutely unbelievable. >>> >>> And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio >>> with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and >>> rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your >>> fingers have skin oil on it!!! You are putting skin oil from your >>> fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your >>> tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable. >>> >>> Jayson >>> >>> >>> From: Bob Naylor >>> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> >>> Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's >>> and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it >>> including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller >>> or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! >>> I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or >>> shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the >>> rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. >>> Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently >>> clean the rollers. >>> Bob >>> >>> --- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: >>> >>> From: Ron >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi >>> Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>> Decks" >>> Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM >>> >>> >>> By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol >>> (actually, isopropyl >>> alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you >>> dunk the part in alcohol >>> for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with >>> alcohol, followed by >>> drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to >>> heads or capstans, >>> there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. >>> >>> OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' >>> stuff. They'll be >>> deliriously happy to take your money :-). >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jayson Levitz >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> >>> Hi Cyrus. >>> >>> Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or >>> rubber rollers. This is a common mistake. Alcohol is especially >>> bad for rubber - it drys it out. Instead, use American Recorder >>> S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >>> >>> 800-777-9580 >>> 805-527-9580 >>> Fax 805-527-1433 >>> >>> American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>> PO Box 1450 >>> Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450 >>> >>> Jayson >>> >>> >>> From: Cyrus Shirali >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>> >>> >>> Greetings..// Dan, Perry, and everyone else >>> >>> Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on >>> calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently >>> join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>> I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical >>> endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a >>> bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember >>> purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance >>> to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that >>> was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was >>> kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what >>> that means.. but eager to find out. >>> >>> I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look >>> over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and >>> cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the >>> belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >>> >>> as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? >>> alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a >>> demagnetizer, do i need that ? >>> >>> issues so far i have with it. >>> >>> it does power on. >>> >>> - sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't >>> working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things >>> started moving.. >>> >>> - fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then >>> builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at >>> the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching >>> sound. >>> >>> - reverse is not as bad as FF >>> >>> - when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the >>> inputs >>> >>> - some wow & flutter >>> >>> - the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but >>> that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >>> >>> - on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if >>> you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes >>> between you and the music. and then when the door is open the >>> sound is kinda distorted >>> >>> I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as >>> needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes >>> and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up. I do have >>> some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good >>> hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to >>> open up every now and then. >>> >>> >>> congratulations D on your naval retirement! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >>> >>> > Cyrus, >>> > I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get >>> mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with >>> similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of >>> petty opinions from around the world. I ve been on for years, and >>> am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First >>> off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its >>> just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has >>> calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your >>> dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. >>> Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk. >>> Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a >>> professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex >>> Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes, but they are >>> not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. >>> It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of >>> sticky notes. I've actuall! >>> y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. >>> Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all >>> the previous content attached. Insanity. >>> > >>> > The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except >>> by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal >>> tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi >>> gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few >>> grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon >>> as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have >>> nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing >>> shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he >>> thought was a good price. I got my set that way for $500, years >>> ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum >>> style format, at tapeheads.net. There is another audio one with a >>> good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of >>> information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most >>> any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal >>> tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,. Naktalk is >>> interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>> very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and >>> end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, >>> and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, >>> they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. >>> But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we >>> tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info >>> from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it >>> is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) >>> that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously >>> priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >>> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains >>> > information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged >>> and >>> > does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or >>> offer >>> > relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>> > express written confirmation to that effect. The information is >>> > intended solely for the individual or entity named above and >>> access >>> > by anyone else is unauthorized. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 11:36:46 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 In-Reply-To: References: <1363632710.16348.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363862206.41236.YahooMailNeo@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The Satellits would put any consumer equipment to shame. My childhood revolved around a Satellit 2100 and eventually I went out on collect them, my favourite being the 3400 Professional. They had a wonderful sound quality and awesome built. The dwindling number of SW stations is a pity but listening to FM in them is still so wonderful. IMHO, the only thing that beats them (in sound quality and looks at least) is the Braun Station T1000.  Cheers!  ________________________________ From: Cyrus To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 COol Bob, My grandfather passed me a couple of old grundigs, I haven't turned them on in years, but when i do, ill let you know how they run. I always kept them clean. i am in the middle of rewiring / adding / organizing some of my studio equipment. I am kinda interested in using one of the satellite radios and sampling from it, i remember always tuning odd stations in the air On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: Cyrus, I would be interested in hearing about your radios. I do old radio repair when I have time. Most of the time tube radios but also the little shirt pocket transistor radios. >Once the "font" wears off these old radios, you now have a project that to me is no where near fun! Keeping the morse code key clean is essential. They are not fun to clean! Just plain dusting is bad enuff! >Bob > >--- On Sat, 3/16/13, Cyrus wrote: > > >>From: Cyrus >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:26 AM >> >> >>Bob, haha, i just have a special sense of humor.. i do like your methods for keeping the fonts cleans on buttons. respect on that. >>do what works and is best for you. I am might have to ask you later about your radio hobby, i have a few old grundig satellite radios that might i might plug in soon. >>  >> >> >> >>On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: >> >>Cyrus, LOL! but almost. My hands are always washed B4 doing anything including playing/recording etc just for that oil reason. It does keep all the knobs and buttons clean. I also have a radio hobby which I do the same. It keeps the "font" from wearing off buttons or causing that ring around the knobs. >>> >>> >>>Jason just didn't understand my methods here. >>> >>> >>>Jason, do you think just because something has a label on it that it's the best? If you do, you're mistaken. All products are made to sell off the shelf. This may not be a fair comparison but the idea is the same... Window cleaner is mainly ammonia. You can buy a gallon of ammonia for half the cost of a small bottle of window cleaner it just may not be scented, so how much window cleaner can you make from this one gallon bottle. Like I said, this may not be a fair comparison but you get the idea. >>> >>> >>>I do agree with Ron that you could damage rubber by soaking the rollers but just wiping them will not do as much harm as just using the deck. >>> >>> >>>Have a great day. >>>Bob >>> >>>--- On Fri, 3/15/13, Cyrus wrote: >>> >>> >>>>From: Cyrus >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>>To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:10 PM >>>> >>>> >>>>I believe Bob uses latex mittens while he works on his decks so he doesn't get oil on his heads.  >>>> >>>> >>>>just kidding bob. >>>> >>>> >>>>all this advice is great ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: >>>> >>>>Quite frankly, I do not understand many of you. You own one, if not more than one, of the best cassette decks ever made (Naks), you probably spent quite a few dollars on it, you spent additional money on servicing it (belts, idler tires, etc), and you do not want to spend $16 for 2 ounces on a professional cleaner for it, a cleaner that is MEANT for tape paths and will NOT damage rubber over time if not removed (like isopropyl alcohol will)?  Absolutely unbelievable. >>>>> >>>>>And Bob, I cannot believe what I read. You wring out your Q-tio with your fingers, then clean your tape heads, capstans and rollers with this same Q-tip? Let me tell you something - your fingers have skin oil on it!!!  You are putting skin oil from your fingers onto this Q-tip, and then transferring this oil onto your tape heads, capstans and rollers. Again unbelievable.  >>>>> >>>>>Jayson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> From: Bob Naylor >>>>>To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ron, I agree with you. I learned to clean tape drives in the 60's and since then I've used denatured alcohol to clean all of it including the pinch rollers and have never had a bad pinch roller or a dried out one. And, no, I did not "soak" them! >>>>>I wet the Q-tip, or foam tip, wring it out with my fingers, and or shake it real well so it's just damp, not wet. After cleaning the rollers, they dry so fast that I have no time to dry it myself. Other times I use a clean dry handkerchief, no lint, and gently clean the rollers. >>>>>Bob >>>>> >>>>>--- On Fri, 3/15/13, Ron wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: Ron >>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>>>>To: "Jayson Levitz" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>>>Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 6:00 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>By all means, continue to practice this "common mistake". Alcohol (actually, isopropyl >>>>>>alcohol) is an excellent cleaner. It may 'dry out' rubber if you dunk the part in alcohol >>>>>>for a few days, but cleaning the part with a Q-tip dampened with alcohol, followed by >>>>>>drying with a fresh Q-tip, once in a while, will do no harm. As to heads or capstans, >>>>>>there is nothing to 'dry out', they are all metal. >>>>>> >>>>>>OTOH, if you really want to, by all means use the 'professional' stuff. They'll be >>>>>>deliriously happy to take your money  :-). >>>>>> >>>>>>-- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>> From: Jayson Levitz >>>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:41 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Cyrus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do not use alcohol for cleaning the heads, capstans, guides or rubber rollers.  This is a common mistake.  Alcohol is especially bad for rubber - it drys it out.  Instead, use American Recorder S-721H Professional Cleaning Fluid. You can reach them as follows: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>800-777-9580 >>>>>>>805-527-9580 >>>>>>>Fax 805-527-1433 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>American Recorder Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>>PO Box 1450 >>>>>>>Simi Valley, CA 93062-1450   >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jayson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>> From: Cyrus Shirali >>>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00 PM >>>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beginner with 480 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Greetings..//  Dan, Perry, and everyone else >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for the feedback, I hear plus and minus things on calibration tapes from different providers. I did just recently join Tapeheads and audiokarma. Nice forums. >>>>>>>I actually have been interested interested in recording my musical endeavors on to reel to reel, and to cassette, cassette being a bit cheaper, i figured i would start with that. I remember purchasing the Nak 480 sometime ago, but never really got a chance to use it. It worked for the most part when i tested it, but that was sometime ago. i remember playing it once and the sound was kind of going in and out, and very low quality. I am not sure what that means..  but eager to find out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I got a copy of the service manual and user manual, so i will look over that and start with it. I will start with the basics and cleaning. I did read about Fred Mars in another forum for the belts. sounds like a good place to get them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>as for simple cleaning, what are some basic tools for that? alcohol,q tips, lubricants, (maybe a kit available) etc.. a demagnetizer, do i need that ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>issues so far i have with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>it does power on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- sometimes the play and transport buttons feel like they weren't working when i pushed them in, but when i reset the counter things started moving.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- fast forwarding is noisy , like a slow rpm clank sound then builds up faster and faster, then before it begins to slowdown at the end of the tape, its almost like a hot tea kettle screeching sound. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- reverse is not as bad as FF >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- when i recorded with it once, the levels were very low on the inputs >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- some wow & flutter >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- the audio meters / whiskers seem to be a lil out of sync, but that can be due to the tape sound going in and out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-  on playback of tapes, the sound goes in and out alot, like if you are walking to another part of the club and a door closes between you and the music. and then when the door is open the sound is kinda distorted >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I dont want to spend and arm and a leg yet, but work my way up as needed. maybe i can find someone in the are that has those tapes and can calibrate my machine once it is cleaned up.  I do have some handy tools, volt meters and other fun things, i have a good hand at soldering, i have a few old synthesizers that i have to open up every now and then. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>congratulations D on your naval retirement! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cyrus, >>>>>>>> I have no vested interest here, except to help you not get mislead. You may get other emails, too from other naktalkers, with similar advice. Naktalk is a wealth of information, amid a mire of petty opinions from around the world.  I ve been on for years, and am an engineer that has worked on electronics for years. First off, do not waste your time with Luis Ps "calibration" tapes. Its just a tape he records off of a Nakamichi ZX-9 that he has calibrated. He's a nice guy, but it is a total waste of your dough. Same goes for tapes made by a guy named Gerhard in Germany. Same thing, just not as big a rip off. Tried them both, junk.  Gennadys tapes I've not tried, but they are at least produced in a professional-Ish way. Still, very expensive. Nakdoc and Alex Nikitin both produce actual real calibration tapes,  but they are not cheap. Also, to let you know, there is no search on Naktalk. It is an ancient old style board, that is like a giant pile of sticky notes. I've actuall! >>>>>>>y gone back to almost the beginning, and just started reading. Yes, its that crazy. And tons of repetition, from replies with all the previous content attached. Insanity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The original Nak tapes and gauges are impossible to find except by pure luck, or randomly on eBay. A typical full set of Nak cal tapes goes for about $1000. Not a typo. 1 grand. The Nakamichi gauges, are even more impossible. A full set typically a few grand. Some gauges go for $450 each, some for maybe $200. As soon as they hit eBay, the bidding goes insane. Most of us that have nak tapes and gauges, got lucky, and found them from a closing shop, or with a hapless seller that did a "buy it now" at what he thought was a good price.  I got my set that way for $500, years ago. There is another tape specific web site, with normal forum style format, at tapeheads.net.  There is another audio one with a good tape section at audiokarma.org. Both are a wealth of information, that a lot of us also frequent. You will find most any answer you want there, most plenty affordable, about cal tapes, belts and idler tires, blank tape,.etc,.  Naktalk is interestingly unusual in that it is ! >>>>>>>very international, but most on it believe Naks are the be all and end all of cassette decks. Don't get me wrong, I own over 40 Naks, and restore them, and resell them as well, and when properly done, they can be amazing. I love the sound of them, and their quirks. But some of these guys, are over the top. Many are normal, but we tend to blend in to the background, and just filter the good info from the BS. I hope I didn't scare you away,.not my intent, as it is a blast of a hobby, IMHO, especially for us old timers (50+) that remember all this gear when it was new and outrageously priced. Hope to see you around the boards. Perry. >>>>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic message contains >>>>>>>> information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and >>>>>>>> does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer >>>>>>>> relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional >>>>>>>> express written confirmation to that effect.  The information is >>>>>>>> intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access >>>>>>>> by anyone else is unauthorized.  If you are not the intended >>>>>>>> recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the >>>>>>>> contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful.  If >>>>>>>> you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >>>>>>>> reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message >>>>>>>> in error, and delete it.  Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! 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URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Sun Mar 24 13:21:17 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:21:17 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette Message-ID: Hello everyone, 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track Instrumental Ferrite Record Head and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position on the tape. The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand From russellstorey at westnet.com.au Sun Mar 24 22:16:56 2013 From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:16:56 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> Hi Gennady Good news ! FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the deck ? With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX Filter off ? Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 Russell Storey Stones Sound Studio Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ kit_info.htm -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gennady Lyskin Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette Hello everyone, 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track Instrumental Ferrite Record Head and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position on the tape. The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 From serbianduke13 at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 23:25:05 2013 From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:25:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> Message-ID: Wasted money if you ask me...its enough if you record 1 KHz on ordinary 3 head deck on new cassete with 0 dB in play steady peaks... Then looks for maximum readings on both chanell in the same time...there is only ONE PH place for that readings...Nakamichi prefer SX tapes for calibration... Regards, Dragon On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:16 PM, russellstorey < russellstorey at westnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Gennady > > Good news ! > > FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right > > However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a > Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the > deck ? > > With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX > Filter off ? > > > Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 > Russell Storey > > Stones Sound Studio > Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) > http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ > > http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ > kit_info.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Gennady Lyskin > Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette > > Hello everyone, > > 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. > The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel > MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 > Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. > This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track > Instrumental Ferrite Record Head > and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track > position > > on the tape. > The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. > Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html > Regards, > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 00:12:59 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> Message-ID: <1364166779.45947.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> You're assuming the 'ordinary deck' is correctly aligned, which is | almost never the case. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Dragan Vojvodic >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:25 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 > > >Wasted money if you ask me...its enough if you record 1 KHz on ordinary 3 head deck on new cassete with 0 dB in play steady peaks... Then looks for maximum readings on both chanell in the same time...there is only ONE PH place for that readings...Nakamichi prefer SX tapes for calibration... > > >Regards, > > >Dragon > > >On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:16 PM, russellstorey wrote: > >Hi Gennady >> >> Good news ! >> >>FMI , your specification   Dragon: >-55 dB  , looks about  right >> >>However  was  the  Dragon: >-55 dB   level  you  measured  using   a >>Nakamichi T100 analyzer   connected to the RCA line output sockets  of the >>deck  ? >> >>With the   Dragon  switches   set to   , 120us  ? ,  Dolby OFF ?     MPX >>Filter  off  ? >> >> >>Kind Regards                 ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >>Russell Storey >> >>Stones Sound Studio >>Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >>http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ >>http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ >>kit_info.htm >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>Of Gennady Lyskin >>Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >>To: Naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >> >>Hello everyone, >> >>1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >>The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel >>MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >>Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >>This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >>Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >>and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position >> >>on the tape. >>The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >>Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html >>Regards, >> >>Gennady Lyskin >> >>G e n n L a b >>http://www.gennlab.com >>info at gennlab.com >>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>New Zealand >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>----- >>No virus found in this message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Mon Mar 25 04:39:24 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:39:24 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell, I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference in quality, accuracy and price. Cheers Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 > Hi Gennady > > Good news ! > > FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right > > However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a > Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the > deck ? > > With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX > Filter off ? > > > Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 > Russell Storey > > Stones Sound Studio > Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) > http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ > http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ > kit_info.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Gennady Lyskin > Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette > > Hello everyone, > > 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. > The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) > Reel-to-Reel > MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 > Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. > This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track > Instrumental Ferrite Record Head > and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track > position > > on the tape. > The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. > Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html > Regards, > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 > > From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Mon Mar 25 04:45:58 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:45:58 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> Message-ID: <8B1F49A1F7934FD0819FA41029D4F5EC@emachinef0bb72> There is a huge difference in accuracy between maximum and minimum readings. Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: Dragan Vojvodic To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 Wasted money if you ask me...its enough if you record 1 KHz on ordinary 3 head deck on new cassete with 0 dB in play steady peaks... Then looks for maximum readings on both chanell in the same time...there is only ONE PH place for that readings...Nakamichi prefer SX tapes for calibration... Regards, Dragon On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:16 PM, russellstorey wrote: Hi Gennady Good news ! FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the deck ? With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX Filter off ? Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 Russell Storey Stones Sound Studio Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ kit_info.htm -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gennady Lyskin Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette Hello everyone, 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track Instrumental Ferrite Record Head and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position on the tape. The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ----- No virus found in this message. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 06:03:39 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:03:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> Message-ID: The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to spec to handle tapes of such calibre. Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any other deck) make. Cheers, B Sent from my iPhone On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: > Hi Russell, > > > > I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. > > Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference in quality, accuracy and price. > > > > Cheers > > > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" > To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM > Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 > > >> Hi Gennady >> >> Good news ! >> >> FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right >> >> However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a >> Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the >> deck ? >> >> With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX >> Filter off ? >> >> >> Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >> Russell Storey >> >> Stones Sound Studio >> Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ >> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ >> kit_info.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Gennady Lyskin >> Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >> To: Naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >> The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel >> MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >> Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >> This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >> Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >> and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position >> >> on the tape. >> The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >> Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html >> Regards, >> >> Gennady Lyskin >> >> G e n n L a b >> http://www.gennlab.com >> info at gennlab.com >> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >> New Zealand >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 06:03:39 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:03:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> Message-ID: The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to spec to handle tapes of such calibre. Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any other deck) make. Cheers, B Sent from my iPhone On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: > Hi Russell, > > > > I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. > > Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference in quality, accuracy and price. > > > > Cheers > > > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" > To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM > Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 > > >> Hi Gennady >> >> Good news ! >> >> FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right >> >> However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a >> Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the >> deck ? >> >> With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX >> Filter off ? >> >> >> Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >> Russell Storey >> >> Stones Sound Studio >> Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ >> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ >> kit_info.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Gennady Lyskin >> Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >> To: Naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >> The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel >> MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >> Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >> This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >> Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >> and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position >> >> on the tape. >> The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >> Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html >> Regards, >> >> Gennady Lyskin >> >> G e n n L a b >> http://www.gennlab.com >> info at gennlab.com >> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >> New Zealand >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 07:42:01 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:42:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> Message-ID: <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> If the Decks are not on spec it helps to use the 1kH track tape for minimum. The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a minimum level. You can even find the minimum directly on the playback head connectors. After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies tapes. After that follows the azimuth,......... there is your Nak. Gerhard Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: > The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are > to spec to handle tapes of such calibre. > > Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or > any other deck) make. > > Cheers, > B > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin > wrote: > >> Hi Russell, >> >> >> >> I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but >> professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. >> >> Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the >> difference in quality, accuracy and price. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Gennady Lyskin >> >> G e n n L a b >> http://www.gennlab.com >> info at gennlab.com >> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >> New Zealand >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" >> >> To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM >> Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >> 0313 >> >> >>> Hi Gennady >>> >>> Good news ! >>> >>> FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right >>> >>> However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a >>> Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output >>> sockets of the >>> deck ? >>> >>> With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby >>> OFF ? MPX >>> Filter off ? >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >>> Russell Storey >>> >>> Stones Sound Studio >>> Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >>> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ >>> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ >>> ribbon_speaker_ >>> kit_info.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Gennady Lyskin >>> Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >>> To: Naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >>> The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) >>> Reel-to-Reel >>> MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >>> Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >>> This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >>> Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >>> and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable >>> Track position >>> >>> on the tape. >>> The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >>> Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html >>> Regards, >>> >>> Gennady Lyskin >>> >>> G e n n L a b >>> http://www.gennlab.com >>> info at gennlab.com >>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>> New Zealand >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: >>> 03/24/13 >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Mon Mar 25 09:29:31 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:29:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3AE5E232-0B39-4AD1-99A7-5239BB3B25FF@ziggo.nl> Yeah, One of the most important calibrations for compatibility . Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 25 mrt. 2013 om 07:42 heeft Gerhard Wartha het volgende geschreven: > If the Decks are not on spec it helps to use the 1kH track tape for minimum. > > The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a minimum level. > > You can even find the minimum directly on the playback head connectors. > > After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies tapes. > > After that follows the azimuth,......... there is your Nak. > > Gerhard > Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: > >> The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to spec to handle tapes of such calibre. >> >> Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any other deck) make. >> >> Cheers, >> B >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: >> >>> Hi Russell, >>> >>> >>> >>> I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. >>> >>> Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference in quality, accuracy and price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Gennady Lyskin >>> >>> G e n n L a b >>> http://www.gennlab.com >>> info at gennlab.com >>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>> New Zealand >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" >>> To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM >>> Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 >>> >>> >>>> Hi Gennady >>>> >>>> Good news ! >>>> >>>> FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right >>>> >>>> However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a >>>> Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the >>>> deck ? >>>> >>>> With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX >>>> Filter off ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >>>> Russell Storey >>>> >>>> Stones Sound Studio >>>> Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >>>> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ >>>> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ >>>> kit_info.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Gennady Lyskin >>>> Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >>>> To: Naktalk at naks.com >>>> Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >>>> The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel >>>> MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >>>> Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >>>> This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >>>> Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >>>> and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position >>>> >>>> on the tape. >>>> The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >>>> Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Gennady Lyskin >>>> >>>> G e n n L a b >>>> http://www.gennlab.com >>>> info at gennlab.com >>>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>> New Zealand >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From serbianduke13 at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 09:58:58 2013 From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:58:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am not assuming, I know because I am the first owner of Aiwa Excellia 009...With that tape I have done alignment for mz Nak 682 ZX and the result is awesome... Regards, Dragon On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > If the Decks are not on spec it helps to use the 1kH track tape for > minimum. > > The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a minimum level. > > You can even find the minimum directly on the playback head connectors. > > After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies > tapes. > > After that follows the azimuth,......... there is your Nak. > > Gerhard > Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: > > > The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to >> spec to handle tapes of such calibre. >> >> Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any >> other deck) make. >> >> Cheers, >> B >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin >> wrote: >> >> Hi Russell, >>> >>> >>> >>> I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional >>> Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. >>> >>> Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the >>> difference in quality, accuracy and price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Gennady Lyskin >>> >>> G e n n L a b >>> http://www.gennlab.com >>> info at gennlab.com >>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>> New Zealand >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" < >>> russellstorey at westnet.com.au> >>> To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about >>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM >>> Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 >>> >>> >>> Hi Gennady >>>> >>>> Good news ! >>>> >>>> FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right >>>> >>>> However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a >>>> Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of >>>> the >>>> deck ? >>>> >>>> With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX >>>> Filter off ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >>>> Russell Storey >>>> >>>> Stones Sound Studio >>>> Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >>>> http://www.stonessoundstudio.**com.au/ >>>> http://www.stonessoundstudio.**com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_** >>>> kit/ribbon_speaker_ >>>> kit_info.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.**com] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Gennady Lyskin >>>> Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >>>> To: Naktalk at naks.com >>>> Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >>>> The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) >>>> Reel-to-Reel >>>> MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >>>> Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >>>> This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >>>> Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >>>> and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track >>>> position >>>> >>>> on the tape. >>>> The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >>>> Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_**track_align.html >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Gennady Lyskin >>>> >>>> G e n n L a b >>>> http://www.gennlab.com >>>> info at gennlab.com >>>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>> New Zealand >>>> >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>>> listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: >>>> 03/24/13 >>>> >>> >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>> listinfo/naktalk >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> >> >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >> listinfo/naktalk >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbianduke13 at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 10:02:34 2013 From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:02:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: And for ordinary 1 KHy tape you are looking for maximum reading for both channel ...Only for Nak special tape of 1 KHz zou are looking for minimum readings. Thats because the signal is recorded between the channel and naturally you need to loose that signal as much as possible... Dragon On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dragan Vojvodic wrote: > I am not assuming, I know because I am the first owner of Aiwa Excellia > 009...With that tape I have done alignment for mz Nak 682 ZX and the result > is awesome... > > Regards, > > Dragon > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > >> If the Decks are not on spec it helps to use the 1kH track tape for >> minimum. >> >> The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a minimum level. >> >> You can even find the minimum directly on the playback head connectors. >> >> After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies >> tapes. >> >> After that follows the azimuth,......... there is your Nak. >> >> Gerhard >> Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: >> >> >> The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to >>> spec to handle tapes of such calibre. >>> >>> Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any >>> other deck) make. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> B >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Russell, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional >>>> Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. >>>> >>>> Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the >>>> difference in quality, accuracy and price. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gennady Lyskin >>>> >>>> G e n n L a b >>>> http://www.gennlab.com >>>> info at gennlab.com >>>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>> New Zealand >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" < >>>> russellstorey at westnet.com.au> >>>> To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about >>>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM >>>> Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gennady >>>>> >>>>> Good news ! >>>>> >>>>> FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right >>>>> >>>>> However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a >>>>> Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of >>>>> the >>>>> deck ? >>>>> >>>>> With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? >>>>> MPX >>>>> Filter off ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >>>>> Russell Storey >>>>> >>>>> Stones Sound Studio >>>>> Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >>>>> http://www.stonessoundstudio.**com.au/ >>>>> http://www.stonessoundstudio.**com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_** >>>>> kit/ribbon_speaker_ >>>>> kit_info.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.**com] >>>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Gennady Lyskin >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >>>>> To: Naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>> 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >>>>> The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) >>>>> Reel-to-Reel >>>>> MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >>>>> Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >>>>> This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >>>>> Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >>>>> and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track >>>>> position >>>>> >>>>> on the tape. >>>>> The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >>>>> Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_**track_align.html >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Gennady Lyskin >>>>> >>>>> G e n n L a b >>>>> http://www.gennlab.com >>>>> info at gennlab.com >>>>> Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>>> New Zealand >>>>> >>>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>>> -----========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>>> -----========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>>>> listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>>> -----========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: >>>>> 03/24/13 >>>>> >>>> >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>>> listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>>> -----========= >>>> >>> >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>> listinfo/naktalk >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> >> >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >> listinfo/naktalk >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 13:52:22 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > I am not assuming, I know .......   Well, that's just it -- you don't.   If the tape you produced meets your requiements, that's good -- for you. But if you aim is for greater preccision (as most readers here do), then your tape is useless. That extra precision accounts for the difference in price. In this case, you get what you paid for.   -- Ron     >________________________________ > From: Dragan Vojvodic >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:58 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 > > >I am not assuming, I know because I am the first owner of Aiwa Excellia 009...With that tape I have done alignment for mz Nak 682 ZX and the result is awesome... > > >Regards, > > >Dragon > > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > >If  the Decks are not on spec  it helps to use the 1kH track tape for minimum. >> >>The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a  minimum level. >> >>You can even find the minimum  directly on the playback head connectors. >> >>After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies tapes. >> >>After that follows the azimuth,.........  there is your Nak. >> >>Gerhard >>Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: >> >> >> >>The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to spec to handle tapes of such calibre. >>> >>>Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any other deck) make. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>B >>> >>>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: >>> >>> >>>Hi Russell, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. >>>> >>>>Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference in quality, accuracy and price. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Cheers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Gennady Lyskin >>>> >>>>G e n n L a b >>>>http://www.gennlab.com/ >>>>info at gennlab.com >>>>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>>New Zealand >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" >>>>To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>>>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM >>>>Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Gennady >>>>> >>>>>Good news ! >>>>> >>>>>FMI , your specification   Dragon: >-55 dB  , looks about  right >>>>> >>>>>However  was  the  Dragon: >-55 dB   level  you  measured  using   a >>>>>Nakamichi T100 analyzer   connected to the RCA line output sockets  of the >>>>>deck  ? >>>>> >>>>>With the   Dragon  switches   set to   , 120us  ? ,  Dolby OFF ?     MPX >>>>>Filter  off  ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Kind Regards                 ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >>>>>Russell Storey >>>>> >>>>>Stones Sound Studio >>>>>Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >>>>>http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ >>>>>http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ >>>>>kit_info.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>>>Of Gennady Lyskin >>>>>Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >>>>>To: Naktalk at naks.com >>>>>Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >>>>> >>>>>Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>>1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >>>>>The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel >>>>>MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >>>>>Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >>>>>This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >>>>>Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >>>>>and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position >>>>> >>>>>on the tape. >>>>>The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >>>>>Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html >>>>>Regards, >>>>> >>>>>Gennady Lyskin >>>>> >>>>>G e n n L a b >>>>>http://www.gennlab.com/ >>>>>info at gennlab.com >>>>>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>>>New Zealand >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- >>>>>No virus found in this message. >>>>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ >>>>>Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 >>>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Mon Mar 25 14:36:50 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:36:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> Hi all, Let's stop this discussion. If there are people who now better than Nakamichi how to calibrate a 682zx let them be happy with it. The other people could buy a official calibration tape. Best Regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 25 mrt. 2013 om 13:52 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > I am not assuming, I know ....... > > Well, that's just it -- you don't. > > If the tape you produced meets your requiements, that's good -- for you. > But if you aim is for greater preccision (as most readers here do), then > your tape is useless. That extra precision accounts for the difference in > price. In this case, you get what you paid for. > > -- Ron > > > From: Dragan Vojvodic > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 > > I am not assuming, I know because I am the first owner of Aiwa Excellia 009...With that tape I have done alignment for mz Nak 682 ZX and the result is awesome... > > Regards, > > Dragon > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > If the Decks are not on spec it helps to use the 1kH track tape for minimum. > > The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a minimum level. > > You can even find the minimum directly on the playback head connectors. > > After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies tapes. > > After that follows the azimuth,......... there is your Nak. > > Gerhard > Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: > > > The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to spec to handle tapes of such calibre. > > Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any other deck) make. > > Cheers, > B > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: > > Hi Russell, > > > > I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. > > Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference in quality, accuracy and price. > > > > Cheers > > > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com/ > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" > To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM > Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 > > > Hi Gennady > > Good news ! > > FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right > > However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a > Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the > deck ? > > With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX > Filter off ? > > > Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 > Russell Storey > > Stones Sound Studio > Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) > http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ > http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ > kit_info.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Gennady Lyskin > Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette > > Hello everyone, > > 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. > The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel > MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 > Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. > This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track > Instrumental Ferrite Record Head > and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position > > on the tape. > The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. > Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html > Regards, > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com/ > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.botelho at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 15:27:25 2013 From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (daniel.botelho at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Mar 25 17:04:47 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:04:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Probably one or more of the voltage rails is dead due to a shorted electrolytic capacitor. Get the service manual and check each of the voltage rails until you find the dead one or ones, then find the filter cap in that circuit. It will probably measure shorted. You may also find that it took out the fuse resistors in that circuit. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've been on this list for the past year or so, so bear with me if this > question has been asked before... > > I was fortunate enough to get a nice deal on a pair of 3 head nak decks, a > bx300 and a cr-5. :) > > The bx-300 has the infamous slipping idler wheel, so It will need a new > tire. no biggie > > However, the Cr5 looks to be more serious. It will power on but the LCD > display is dead, and none of the controls work at all. No spinning > flywheels, no mechanism control, nada. > > But, it is getting power, as I see the led lights flashing on the stop > button. The control buttons (rew/ffwd) light up momentarily when pressed, > but it goes back to the stop led after a few seconds. > > The cassette deck well light is out as well, if that helps. > > Has anyone run into this issue? any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > However > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Mar 25 17:06:31 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:06:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I would check all DC rails and fuses. With best regards! LP Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 25/03/2013, a las 15:27, daniel.botelho at gmail.com escribió: > Hey guys, > > I've been on this list for the past year or so, so bear with me if this question has been asked before... > > I was fortunate enough to get a nice deal on a pair of 3 head nak decks, a bx300 and a cr-5. :) > > The bx-300 has the infamous slipping idler wheel, so It will need a new tire. no biggie > > However, the Cr5 looks to be more serious. It will power on but the LCD display is dead, and none of the controls work at all. No spinning flywheels, no mechanism control, nada. > > But, it is getting power, as I see the led lights flashing on the stop button. The control buttons (rew/ffwd) light up momentarily when pressed, but it goes back to the stop led after a few seconds. > > The cassette deck well light is out as well, if that helps. > > Has anyone run into this issue? any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > However > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From daniel.botelho at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 18:05:46 2013 From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:05:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thank you willy... :) I wasn't sure if there was a quick solution to this issue, so I figured I'd check the community to see if there was a known issue. Anyone know of a good source for the service manual handy? :) Thanks so much in advance, Dan On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > Probably one or more of the voltage rails is dead due to a shorted > electrolytic capacitor. Get the service manual and check each of the > voltage rails until you find the dead one or ones, then find the filter cap > in that circuit. It will probably measure shorted. You may also find that > it took out the fuse resistors in that circuit. > Best of luck. > Willy > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> I've been on this list for the past year or so, so bear with me if this >> question has been asked before... >> >> I was fortunate enough to get a nice deal on a pair of 3 head nak decks, >> a bx300 and a cr-5. :) >> >> The bx-300 has the infamous slipping idler wheel, so It will need a new >> tire. no biggie >> >> However, the Cr5 looks to be more serious. It will power on but the LCD >> display is dead, and none of the controls work at all. No spinning >> flywheels, no mechanism control, nada. >> >> But, it is getting power, as I see the led lights flashing on the stop >> button. The control buttons (rew/ffwd) light up momentarily when pressed, >> but it goes back to the stop led after a few seconds. >> >> The cassette deck well light is out as well, if that helps. >> >> Has anyone run into this issue? any help or advice would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan >> >> However >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can see the various perspectives, and reasons as to why people do it differently. I suppose it doesn't hurt to have a very high standard of reference onto which we calibrate our machines. If we can refine this reference to a point that allows for the best possible quality at a certain cost, then that should be agreed on. Beyond that, the law of diminishing returns would start to kick in.  Also, the condition of the deck would determine what sort of performance it would deliver. Not just the simple block steps that Nakamichi puts out in the SMs, but a complete characterisation of the machine.  While the tools maybe fantastic (more so then the times these machines were manufactured thanks to technology), that is not the deciding factor . I see tools and jigs going for surprising prices although these are by no means guarantee for a good sounding deck.  Regards,  Bala  ________________________________ From: Ziggo To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 Hi all, Let's stop this discussion. If there are people who now better than Nakamichi how to calibrate a 682zx let them be happy with it. The other people could buy a official calibration tape. Best Regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 25 mrt. 2013 om 13:52 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > I am not assuming, I know ....... >  >Well, that's just it -- you don't. >  >If the tape you produced meets your requiements, that's good -- for you. >But if you aim is for greater preccision (as most readers here do), then >your tape is useless. That extra precision accounts for the difference in >price. In this case, you get what you paid for. >  >-- Ron >  >  >From: Dragan Vojvodic >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:58 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 >> >> >>I am not assuming, I know because I am the first owner of Aiwa Excellia 009...With that tape I have done alignment for mz Nak 682 ZX and the result is awesome... >> >> >>Regards, >> >> >>Dragon >> >> >>On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: >> >>If  the Decks are not on spec  it helps to use the 1kH track tape for minimum. >>> >>>The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a  minimum level. >>> >>>You can even find the minimum  directly on the playback head connectors. >>> >>>After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies tapes. >>> >>>After that follows the azimuth,.........  there is your Nak. >>> >>>Gerhard >>>Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: >>> >>> >>> >>>The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to spec to handle tapes of such calibre. >>>> >>>>Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any other deck) make. >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>>B >>>> >>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Russell, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. >>>>> >>>>>Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference in quality, accuracy and price. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Cheers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Gennady Lyskin >>>>> >>>>>G e n n L a b >>>>>http://www.gennlab.com/ >>>>>info at gennlab.com >>>>>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>>>New Zealand >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" >>>>>To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>>>>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM >>>>>Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hi Gennady >>>>>> >>>>>>Good news ! >>>>>> >>>>>>FMI , your specification   Dragon: >-55 dB  , looks about  right >>>>>> >>>>>>However  was  the  Dragon: >-55 dB   level  you  measured  using   a >>>>>>Nakamichi T100 analyzer   connected to the RCA line output sockets  of the >>>>>>deck  ? >>>>>> >>>>>>With the   Dragon  switches   set to   , 120us  ? ,  Dolby OFF ?     MPX >>>>>>Filter  off  ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Kind Regards                 ( Aust ) 0266 793059 >>>>>>Russell Storey >>>>>> >>>>>>Stones Sound Studio >>>>>>Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) >>>>>>http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ >>>>>>http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ >>>>>>kit_info.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>>>>Of Gennady Lyskin >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM >>>>>>To: Naktalk at naks.com >>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette >>>>>> >>>>>>Hello everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>>1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. >>>>>>The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel >>>>>>MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 >>>>>>Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. >>>>>>This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track >>>>>>Instrumental Ferrite Record Head >>>>>>and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position >>>>>> >>>>>>on the tape. >>>>>>The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. >>>>>>Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>>Gennady Lyskin >>>>>> >>>>>>G e n n L a b >>>>>>http://www.gennlab.com/ >>>>>>info at gennlab.com >>>>>>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>>>>New Zealand >>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- >>>>>>No virus found in this message. >>>>>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ >>>>>>Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 >>>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbianduke13 at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 13:59:30 2013 From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:59:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: <1364300098.8041.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <1364300098.8041.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello again, please do consider that there is no Nakamichi way of alignment or another...There is simple logic which Nakamichi respect and put it to service manual...If you put blank new tape in original fully working good 3 head deck there is no reason to believe that you can not achieve excellent result if you are following technical logic and service brochure. When you finished you can always check the result by putting recorded tape to third original state deck and result must be the same for 1KHz, 400Hz and 15Khz. So, Nakamichi tehnicians are not some kind of God for this matter, if you have proper technical education and much important expirience, you can do that. That is not just matter of money, it is matter of challenge. Regards to all, Dragon On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Norman, > > There are many ways to skin a cat and I suppose varying degrees. I can see > the various perspectives, and reasons as to why people do it differently. I > suppose it doesn't hurt to have a very high standard of reference onto > which we calibrate our machines. If we can refine this reference to a point > that allows for the best possible quality at a certain cost, then that > should be agreed on. Beyond that, the law of diminishing returns would > start to kick in. > > Also, the condition of the deck would determine what sort of performance > it would deliver. Not just the simple block steps that Nakamichi puts out > in the SMs, but a complete characterisation of the machine. > > While the tools maybe fantastic (more so then the times these machines > were manufactured thanks to technology), that is not the deciding factor . > I see tools and jigs going for surprising prices although these are by no > means guarantee for a good sounding deck. > > Regards, > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ziggo > *To:* Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < > naktalk at naks.com> > *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2013 11:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track > Alignment Cassette 0313 > > Hi all, > > Let's stop this discussion. > If there are people who now better than Nakamichi how to calibrate a 682zx > let them be happy with it. The other people could buy a official > calibration tape. > > Best Regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 25 mrt. 2013 om 13:52 heeft Ron het volgende > geschreven: > > > I am not assuming, I know ....... > > Well, that's just it -- you don't. > > If the tape you produced meets your requiements, that's good -- for you. > But if you aim is for greater preccision (as most readers here do), then > your tape is useless. That extra precision accounts for the difference in > price. In this case, you get what you paid for. > > -- Ron > > > > *From:* Dragan Vojvodic > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2013 4:58 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track > Alignment Cassette 0313 > > I am not assuming, I know because I am the first owner of Aiwa Excellia > 009...With that tape I have done alignment for mz Nak 682 ZX and the result > is awesome... > > Regards, > > Dragon > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > > If the Decks are not on spec it helps to use the 1kH track tape for > minimum. > > The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a minimum level. > > You can even find the minimum directly on the playback head connectors. > > After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies > tapes. > > After that follows the azimuth,......... there is your Nak. > > Gerhard > Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: > > > The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to > spec to handle tapes of such calibre. > > Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any > other deck) make. > > Cheers, > B > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin > wrote: > > Hi Russell, > > > > I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional > Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. > > Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference > in quality, accuracy and price. > > > > Cheers > > > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com/ > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" < > russellstorey at westnet.com.au> > To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM > Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 > > > Hi Gennady > > Good news ! > > FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right > > However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a > Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the > deck ? > > With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX > Filter off ? > > > Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 > Russell Storey > > Stones Sound Studio > Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) > http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ > > http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ > kit_info.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.**com] > On Behalf > Of Gennady Lyskin > Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette > > Hello everyone, > > 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. > The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel > MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 > Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. > This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track > Instrumental Ferrite Record Head > and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track > position > > on the tape. > The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. > Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html > Regards, > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com/ > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 > > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russellstorey at westnet.com.au Tue Mar 26 20:33:51 2013 From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:33:51 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <1364300098.8041.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101ce2a58$de65b860$9b312920$@com.au> Track Alignment ( yes its Logical ) What does it do and why ? Is it related to ALL the Nakamichi Mechanical and Electrical adjustments we make .. on the Nakamichi cassette deck , YES WHY , It’s one of the more important tape path adjustments to get right “” on any ¼ ‘’ tape deck “” including the Nakamichi and will enable “ pre-recorded tapes “ ( tapes purchased from a shop ) or recorded on “your own deck “ to be played back on your deck or on other properly aligned Nakamichi tape decks with the best sound quality . Track Alignment Analogy It’s like the wheel alignment of a car , get it wrong and the car runs off the road ! .. or you have to pull hard on the wheel to hold the car in a straight line Some Brands of cars can ( like tape decks ) can be “aligned “ better than others and some cars , Just don’t have any good mechanics or proper adjustments to ever allow a proper wheel alignment and will wear tyres out and give poor steering and driving performance .. same with tape decks Nakamichi Cassette decks .. were designed with around accurate Mechanical and Electrical adjustments to enable good tape path travel and alignment of electronics and thus enable good sound quality when done properly and the electronics is in good order . YES , Nakamichi 1 kHz Track Alignment tape enables the correct reference “ height of the Playback Head “ and works in conjunction with the tape path , tape back and forward tensions , tape skew , tape guide height ,Hubs , head azimuth , PB /REC phase angle , head “ zenith “ and tilt , rollers . Provided these adjustments are right and the electronics are in good working order will enable the best sound quality from pre-recorded tapes in PB ( provided the tapes were recorded on machines that were properly aligned . Once this is done properly then the Record head( on3 head decks ) can be aligned to the PB head . The Nakamichi PB head height is adjusted using 1 kHz Track Alignment tape so there is a ( dip in the 1KHz tone level ) or minimum VU reading on both the left and right line out channels are the same . You can also use Headphones to listen to the dip in the 1KHz tone level if you don’t have a scope of level meter . Do all these adjustments make a difference ( on a tape deck that is 25 to 40 years old ) , YES can do . especially when the aim is to enable the best sound possible from the tape deck in play or record modes ..and no compromise in quality . Can all NAKAMICHI decks meet the proper spec , NO ,, Why ,, Depends on the Age of the electronics the wear on the mechanism parts , heads , motors , guides rollers , etc >From my experience since 1975 most Nakamichi decks ( I am not talking about Akai teac etc ) if fully over hauled , Electronics serviced and aligned properly can be made to sound from good to excellent on any type of recording ..or playback of tapes . . some models better that others . Some of the 1000 700 600 are getting too old to perform with low noise levels any more due to age of transistors and components .but can still produce good sound .. Recondition the ELECTRONICS in conjunction with alignments . YES the , power supply rail capacitors and orange caps and the type play a significant and critical part and should be done before you do “ the final “ tape path and level alignments set ups ( provided the Mechanism and heads are working properly first ) , if you want to ensure , you are not chasing your tail.. trying to adjust Azimuth and track alignment ,,when it’s an Electronic Fault ... Some Facts , Nakamichi Cassette decks , set up adjustments , bias , Mechanical torque , alignment and R/P level settings are designed around their Nakamichi reference tapes & gigs to enable the best performance . ( yes you can use other Gigs and tapes ) providing they have the same specification as the Nakamichi , , EG , Sony made the torque gauges for Nakamichi ,,, etc etc Other Cassette decks Brands Cassette Decks , example Teac , Sony ,Akai etc Revox , Philips have different Mechanical adjustments and OVU meter reference levels , Also there tapes are recorded at a different bias level . However “ the common denominator “ to get right for all Brands of Cassette Decks is “ the Track Alignment “ so in a perfect world your tapes match up as best as possible with other Nakamichi in alignment and provide the best sound possible ” The other important factor that effects all Adjustments and Electronic circuits and thus readings is the Ambient and Deck temperature ... which is quite often missed In summary , Each Brand of Cassette deck has to be set up to the “ its own manufacturers specifications “” .. .. and Should not be compared directly to Nakamichi Cassette decks . Are Nakamichi test tapes important to enable the best performance from a Nakamichi Cassette deck , YES if you can get them . .. I hope this helps http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/nakamichi.htm Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 Russell Storey Stones Sound Studio Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ kit_info.htm From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dragan Vojvodic Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 12:00 AM To: Bala Ganesh Chandra; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 Hello again, please do consider that there is no Nakamichi way of alignment or another...There is simple logic which Nakamichi respect and put it to service manual...If you put blank new tape in original fully working good 3 head deck there is no reason to believe that you can not achieve excellent result if you are following technical logic and service brochure. When you finished you can always check the result by putting recorded tape to third original state deck and result must be the same for 1KHz, 400Hz and 15Khz. So, Nakamichi tehnicians are not some kind of God for this matter, if you have proper technical education and much important expirience, you can do that. That is not just matter of money, it is matter of challenge. Regards to all, Dragon On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Norman, There are many ways to skin a cat and I suppose varying degrees. I can see the various perspectives, and reasons as to why people do it differently. I suppose it doesn't hurt to have a very high standard of reference onto which we calibrate our machines. If we can refine this reference to a point that allows for the best possible quality at a certain cost, then that should be agreed on. Beyond that, the law of diminishing returns would start to kick in. Also, the condition of the deck would determine what sort of performance it would deliver. Not just the simple block steps that Nakamichi puts out in the SMs, but a complete characterisation of the machine. While the tools maybe fantastic (more so then the times these machines were manufactured thanks to technology), that is not the deciding factor . I see tools and jigs going for surprising prices although these are by no means guarantee for a good sounding deck. Regards, Bala _____ From: Ziggo To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 Hi all, Let's stop this discussion. If there are people who now better than Nakamichi how to calibrate a 682zx let them be happy with it. The other people could buy a official calibration tape. Best Regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 25 mrt. 2013 om 13:52 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > I am not assuming, I know ....... Well, that's just it -- you don't. If the tape you produced meets your requiements, that's good -- for you. But if you aim is for greater preccision (as most readers here do), then your tape is useless. That extra precision accounts for the difference in price. In this case, you get what you paid for. -- Ron From: Dragan Vojvodic To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 I am not assuming, I know because I am the first owner of Aiwa Excellia 009...With that tape I have done alignment for mz Nak 682 ZX and the result is awesome... Regards, Dragon On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: If the Decks are not on spec it helps to use the 1kH track tape for minimum. The play back amplifier is not important if you look for a minimum level. You can even find the minimum directly on the playback head connectors. After that you can check the electronics with the Level and frequencies tapes. After that follows the azimuth,......... there is your Nak. Gerhard Am 25.03.2013 um 06:03 schrieb Bala Ganesh: The trouble is not how well the tapes are made but if the decks are to spec to handle tapes of such calibre. Cleaning, a lube job and a sprinkle of caps does not a Dragon (or any other deck) make. Cheers, B Sent from my iPhone On 25/03/2013, at 1:39 PM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: Hi Russell, I do not use any domestic test equipment like a T100, but professional Swiss-made NEUTRIK equipment. Try to Google NEUTRIK, 3300 series, A2 etc and you will see the difference in quality, accuracy and price. Cheers Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com/ info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "russellstorey" To: "'Gennady Lyskin'" ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:16 AM Subject: (((((((( STONES ))))) RE: 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 0313 Hi Gennady Good news ! FMI , your specification Dragon: >-55 dB , looks about right However was the Dragon: >-55 dB level you measured using a Nakamichi T100 analyzer connected to the RCA line output sockets of the deck ? With the Dragon switches set to , 120us ? , Dolby OFF ? MPX Filter off ? Kind Regards ( Aust ) 0266 793059 Russell Storey Stones Sound Studio Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants (Aust) http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/ http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_ kit_info.htm -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gennady Lyskin Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:21 PM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette Hello everyone, 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette project is finished. The Tape is recorded OFF SHELL using the OTARI 0.15" (3.81 mm) Reel-to-Reel MX-5050BIII-1-P2/1 Production tape recorder and professional test equipment. This tape recorder, equipped with the Focused-Field Narrow Track Instrumental Ferrite Record Head and precisely machined Tape Guides, provided extremely stable Track position on the tape. The Track is recorded at the END of the Tape. Duration 5 minutes. Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com/ info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ----- No virus found in this message. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 22:56:55 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1364335015.68231.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Excellent advice. I would also check the 3.25VAC lines feeding the display. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Willy Hermann >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:04 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... > > >Probably one or more of the voltage rails is dead due to a shorted electrolytic capacitor.  Get the service manual and check each of the voltage rails until you find the dead one or ones, then find the filter cap in that circuit.  It will probably measure shorted.  You may also find that it took out the fuse resistors in that circuit. >Best of luck. >Willy > > > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, wrote: > >Hey guys, >> >> >>I've been on this list for the past year or so, so bear with me if this question has been asked before...  >> >> >>I was fortunate enough to get a nice deal on a pair of 3 head nak decks, a bx300 and a cr-5. :) >> >> >>The bx-300 has the infamous slipping idler wheel, so It will need a new tire.  no biggie >> >> >>However, the Cr5 looks to be more serious. It will power on but the LCD display is dead, and none of the controls work at all. No spinning flywheels, no mechanism control, nada. >> >> >>But, it is getting power, as I see the led lights flashing on the stop button. The control buttons (rew/ffwd) light up momentarily when pressed, but it goes back to the stop led after a few seconds.   >> >> >>The cassette deck well light is out as well, if that helps. >> >> >>Has anyone run into this issue?  any help or advice would be appreciated.  >> >> >>Thanks,  >> >> >>Dan >> >> >>However >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Wed Mar 27 00:04:45 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:04:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: <1364335015.68231.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> <1364335015.68231.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79D7BFE3-4F04-4281-8012-CC3098388982@ziggo.nl> Hi, A year ago i did repair a Cr7 . That machine has also a dead display. In this case the thermal fuse 129 degrees celsius (tf601) was broken. (Display pcb) But you describe that the flywheels are not running and some lights are gone so most likely a power failure. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 26 mrt. 2013 om 22:56 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > Excellent advice. I would also check the 3.25VAC lines feeding the display. > > -- Ron > > > > From: Willy Hermann > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... > > Probably one or more of the voltage rails is dead due to a shorted electrolytic capacitor. Get the service manual and check each of the voltage rails until you find the dead one or ones, then find the filter cap in that circuit. It will probably measure shorted. You may also find that it took out the fuse resistors in that circuit. > Best of luck. > Willy > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've been on this list for the past year or so, so bear with me if this question has been asked before... > > I was fortunate enough to get a nice deal on a pair of 3 head nak decks, a bx300 and a cr-5. :) > > The bx-300 has the infamous slipping idler wheel, so It will need a new tire. no biggie > > However, the Cr5 looks to be more serious. It will power on but the LCD display is dead, and none of the controls work at all. No spinning flywheels, no mechanism control, nada. > > But, it is getting power, as I see the led lights flashing on the stop button. The control buttons (rew/ffwd) light up momentarily when pressed, but it goes back to the stop led after a few seconds. > > The cassette deck well light is out as well, if that helps. > > Has anyone run into this issue? any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > However > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5152336c.251c320a.4e15.ffffe44e@mx.google.com> References: <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> <1364335015.68231.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <79D7BFE3-4F04-4281-8012-CC3098388982@ziggo.nl> <5152336c.251c320a.4e15.ffffe44e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <93A9E40A-C5AA-4FA1-8CAF-F030A4EDEEFA@yahoo.com> Have you checked the DC power outputs? You may have to isolate the loads from the PSU as a bad section from one of them maybe dragging the power supply down. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 27 Mar, 2013, at 9:46 AM, daniel.botelho at gmail.com wrote: > Yeah, it's quite bizarre as all the ac measurements from the transformer are present and accounted for. > > However, the control lights on the buttons still work, but I get no power to the display, nor any motor/capstan movement. > > The search continues. :) > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > > From: Ziggo > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 19:32 PM > To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... > > > Hi, > > A year ago i did repair a Cr7 . That machine has also a dead display. In this case the thermal fuse 129 degrees celsius (tf601) was broken. (Display pcb) > But you describe that the flywheels are not running and some lights are gone so most likely a power failure. > > Best regards, > > Norman > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 26 mrt. 2013 om 22:56 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > >> >> Excellent advice. I would also check the 3.25VAC lines feeding the display. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> From: Willy Hermann >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... >> >> Probably one or more of the voltage rails is dead due to a shorted electrolytic capacitor. Get the service manual and check each of the voltage rails until you find the dead one or ones, then find the filter cap in that circuit. It will probably measure shorted. You may also find that it took out the fuse resistors in that circuit. >> Best of luck. >> Willy >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, wrote: >> Hey guys, >> >> I've been on this list for the past year or so, so bear with me if this question has been asked before... >> >> I was fortunate enough to get a nice deal on a pair of 3 head nak decks, a bx300 and a cr-5. :) >> >> The bx-300 has the infamous slipping idler wheel, so It will need a new tire. no biggie >> >> However, the Cr5 looks to be more serious. It will power on but the LCD display is dead, and none of the controls work at all. No spinning flywheels, no mechanism control, nada. >> >> But, it is getting power, as I see the led lights flashing on the stop button. The control buttons (rew/ffwd) light up momentarily when pressed, but it goes back to the stop led after a few seconds. >> >> The cassette deck well light is out as well, if that helps. >> >> Has anyone run into this issue? any help or advice would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan >> >> However >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drucyphr at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 15:01:21 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:01:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: <5150dc35.8805320a.5aaf.02c4@mx.google.com> References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> <5150dc35.8805320a.5aaf.02c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Speaking of fusible resistors... Can anyone help me locate replacements? I am not sure how to read their value and find them in a parts vendor search. The schematic for BX-300 reads 'R416 22 2W'. Does this mean 22 Ohm 2 Watt? Are wire wound resistors the same as fusible resistors? Thanks, -Andrew On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > Just an update...it appears that fusible resistor r423 and r424 are open, > and will need replacement. it feeds rectifier D407, which leads to cap c413 > and c414 > > Guess I'll be replacing the caps and the resistors. Thanks so much for > your help, willy. > > Dan > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > *From: *Willy Hermann > *Sent: *Monday, March 25, 2013 12:32 PM > *To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Reply To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject: *Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... > > Probably one or more of the voltage rails is dead due to a shorted > electrolytic capacitor. Get the service manual and check each of the > voltage rails until you find the dead one or ones, then find the filter cap > in that circuit. It will probably measure shorted. You may also find that > it took out the fuse resistors in that circuit. > Best of luck. > Willy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.botelho at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 16:06:39 2013 From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:06:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> <5150dc35.8805320a.5aaf.02c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Looks right to me...At least according to the schematic. :) http://www.sourceresearch.com/store1/quickstore.cfm?ProductID=48860&do=detail I hear people using the flameproof ones as well as substitutes...I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Dan On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:01 AM, drucyphr wrote: > Speaking of fusible resistors... Can anyone help me locate replacements? I > am not sure how to read their value and find them in a parts vendor search. > The schematic for BX-300 reads 'R416 22 2W'. Does this mean 22 Ohm 2 Watt? > Are wire wound resistors the same as fusible resistors? > > Thanks, > -Andrew > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > >> Just an update...it appears that fusible resistor r423 and r424 are open, >> and will need replacement. it feeds rectifier D407, which leads to cap c413 >> and c414 >> >> Guess I'll be replacing the caps and the resistors. Thanks so much for >> your help, willy. >> >> Dan >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. >> *From: *Willy Hermann >> *Sent: *Monday, March 25, 2013 12:32 PM >> *To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Reply To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject: *Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... >> >> Probably one or more of the voltage rails is dead due to a shorted >> electrolytic capacitor. Get the service manual and check each of the >> voltage rails until you find the dead one or ones, then find the filter cap >> in that circuit. It will probably measure shorted. You may also find that >> it took out the fuse resistors in that circuit. >> Best of luck. >> Willy >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 15:17:18 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... In-Reply-To: References: <002d01ce28d4$f023f830$d06be890$@com.au> <507268FF-E1A5-4AF6-B5D9-83D9603D96B0@gmail.com> <1364215942.51755.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8982D82D-0446-453B-A134-D29A3C408134@ziggo.nl> <51505ecd.a49f320a.4b5e.565d@mx.google.com> <5150dc35.8805320a.5aaf.02c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1364480238.58320.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Does this mean 22 Ohm 2 Watt? Could be. I only needed fusible resistors a few times, always found them at Digikey (http://www.digikey.com) - just do a search on their web site for 'fusible resistors', then look for 2W and see if physical size matches. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: drucyphr >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:01 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... > > >Speaking of fusible resistors... Can anyone help me locate replacements? I am not sure how to read their value and find them in a parts vendor search. The schematic for BX-300 reads 'R416 22 2W'. Does this mean 22 Ohm 2 Watt? Are wire wound resistors the same as fusible resistors? > >Thanks, >-Andrew > > > > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > >Just an update...it appears that fusible resistor r423 and r424 are open, and will need replacement. it feeds rectifier D407, which leads to cap c413 and c414 >> >> >>Guess I'll be replacing the caps and the resistors. Thanks so much for your help, willy. >> >> >>Dan >> >> >>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. >>From: Willy Hermann >>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:32 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-5 no lights... >> >> >>Probably one or more of the voltage rails is dead due to a shorted electrolytic capacitor.  Get the service manual and check each of the voltage rails until you find the dead one or ones, then find the filter cap in that circuit.  It will probably measure shorted.  You may also find that it took out the fuse resistors in that circuit. >>Best of luck. >>Willy >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 11:28:36 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:28:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble In-Reply-To: <1364508599.47586.YahooMailNeo@web162004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364508599.47586.YahooMailNeo@web162004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <853743D9-E9BE-41A3-AFEE-7E647882F8F5@gmail.com> First Idea, to old shutt off belt, easy to replace,.... You can watch the transport working, If the shut of wheels slip, you see the fault. Also watch the Idler wheel working, does it slip ? After that I would check the transport connectors. If the belt and idler is all right. It can be the filter caps in power supply, Gerhard Am 28.03.2013 um 23:09 schrieb c n: > Hi all, > > I recently bought a 480, in perfect optical condition. But I > noticed he > has a problem: in play, after a while, never constant stops. The same > problem also appears in rec, but after much shorter time. > 24 and 12 V voltages are correct, (23,75v and 11,86v) use the 12 V > reference branch is approx. > 220 mA. > Has anyone encountered this defect? Advice, please? > > With thanks in advance, > Cristian > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 13:57:08 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble In-Reply-To: <1364508599.47586.YahooMailNeo@web162004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364508599.47586.YahooMailNeo@web162004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364561828.92240.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> After it stops, is there a free loop of tape near the takeup hub, inside the cassette? -- Ron >________________________________ > From: c n >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:09 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec trouble > > >  Hi all, > > I recently bought a 480, in perfect optical condition. But I noticed he > has a problem: in play, after a while, never constant stops. The same > problem also appears in rec, but after much shorter time. > 24 and 12 V voltages are correct, (23,75v and 11,86v) use the 12 V reference branch is approx. > 220 mA. > Has anyone encountered this defect? Advice, please? > > With thanks in advance, > Cristian > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The same > problem also appears in rec, but after much shorter time. > 24 and 12 V voltages are correct, (23,75v and 11,86v) use the 12 V reference branch is approx. > 220 mA. > Has anyone encountered this defect? Advice, please? > > With thanks in advance, > Cristian > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 20:54:36 2013 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 play and rec troble Message-ID: <1364586876.78190.YahooMailNeo@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> First Idea, to old shutt off belt, easy to replace,.... You can watch the transport working, If the shut of wheels slip, you see the fault. Also watch the Idler wheel working, does it slip ? After that I would check the transport connectors. If the belt  and idler is all right. It can be  the filter caps in power supply, Gerhard After it stops, is there a free loop of tape near the takeup hub, inside the cassette? -- Ron Thank you very much for your answers! But I do not know if any of these problems because: No, no tape remains free. Loosening tape circuit works properly, the introduction of cassette tape. Idler and belt are ok, filtering capacitors are ok, controls play, FF, REW, REC, pause, stop is executed correctly, the main voltage 24v is fine (approx. 23.75 v), reference voltage of 12V is ok (about 11.86 v), with a current of 220-240 mA, no speed fluctuation, the sound is clean. Level indicators show correctly recording is very good ... I do not know what to check ... No matter that tape is 60 or 90 minutes, the problem remains the same. First time I did and I blame the idler, I replaced the idler, but not solved anything. The only thing I've found is that Q407 heats pretty cool. I changed Q407-Q408 pair (2SC1096, 2SA634) with 2SD812 and 2SB747 (5A current collector), and increased radiator area, now it's ok temperature is normal. Although the consumption 240mA I do not have to heat up so much. I have no idea ...no idea ... nothing ... I can not think logically ... 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Does it have to get warm to create that stop mode problem ? Does it work again, if you push play again ? for how long? Gerhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NR-0036.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 44581 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Am 29.03.2013 um 20:54 schrieb c n: > First Idea, > > to old shutt off belt, > easy to replace,.... > > You can watch the transport working, If the shut of wheels slip, > you see the fault. > > Also watch the Idler wheel working, does it slip ? > > After that I would check the transport connectors. > > If the belt and idler is all right. It can be the filter caps in > power supply, > > > Gerhard > > > After it stops, is there a free loop of tape near the takeup > hub, inside the cassette? > > -- Ron > > > Thank you very much for your answers! But I do not know if any of > these problems because: > > > No, no tape remains free. Loosening tape circuit works properly, > the introduction of cassette tape. Idler and belt are ok, filtering > capacitors are ok, controls play, FF, REW, REC, pause, stop is > executed correctly, the main voltage 24v is fine (approx. 23.75 v), > reference voltage of 12V is ok (about 11.86 v), with a current of > 220-240 mA, no speed fluctuation, the sound is clean. Level > indicators show correctly recording is very good ... I do not know > what to check ... > > > No matter that tape is 60 or 90 minutes, the problem remains the > same. First time I did and I blame the idler, I replaced the idler, > but not solved anything. The only thing I've found is that Q407 > heats pretty cool. I changed Q407-Q408 pair (2SC1096, 2SA634) with > 2SD812 and 2SB747 (5A current collector), and increased radiator > area, now it's ok temperature is normal. Although the consumption > 240mA I do not have to heat up so much. > > I have no idea ... no idea ... nothing ... I can not think > logically ... > Since the controls work properly, I think the problem could be in > the area ... or so I think after I studied the diagram. There, > everything is so interconnected that any failure would reflect the > operation control throughout the whole block. OR NOT? > > Cristian > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Sun Mar 31 11:00:27 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 22:00:27 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette 07A and 87B Message-ID: Hello everyone, FYI Two wersions of the 1 kHz Track Alignment Cassette avilable. 07A with narrow track and 87B with wide track. Please visit http://www.gennlab.com/1k_track_align.html Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2013\2013-May.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed May 1 13:26:36 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 04:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel In-Reply-To: <201305011015.r41A7ivs025663@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305011015.r41A7ivs025663@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1367407596.59705.YahooMailNeo@web162805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Steve, I've put forth the question to a R2R group I belong to. The list is out there....I've seen it online. Hopefully, somebody in the group will come up with the link before I have to search through hundreds of unorganized, personal bookmarks. And also....there is a raging controversy about baking tapes versus Nufinish. Baking tapes is only temporary, as the transfer to another storage medium has to be made immediately. The Nufinish process on the other hand, is said to be permanent. Go to a site called Tapeheads.com and read till your heart's content about that process. I've not done either because I don't dabble in old tape that has, or could have SSS. I did buy a quantity of Maxell UD 35-90 tape from an old EE that is fine and a pretty good old tape, overall. But for the win as I said previously-LPR35. I won't live long enough to see that tape binder fail, if it ever does. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:41:00 -0400 From: Steve Ember Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel To: Kevin Fetner , Nakamichi Talk     Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, all, and especially Kevin. I wonder if, at your convenience, Kevin, you could share with us the tape brands, types, and years of manufacture that suffer from the dreaded sticky shedding phenomenon.Anyone newly discovering open reel will most certainly benefit from this knowledge, as cleaning the heads, rollers, and guides is no picnic, as all of us who've ever had to do it in archiving old material know so well! If I may, I'll get the list going with the notoriously screechy/sheddy Ampex 406 (1.5 mil) and 407 (1.0 mil) professional tapes produced in the 70's/early 80s. Steer a VERY wide course around this stuff. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do not have any actual tapes yet to test audio. so what ever i can do to test it now would be great. upon turning it on, when i pressed play or ff / rw. i didn't get any movement. so i don't know if i have to set something first in order to get the motor running. I actually have a 48 hour window to declare any damages on the unit, or if its not working properly. /Cy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2013-05-01 14.23.48.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 278376 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2013-05-01 14.23.34.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 254996 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But the initial batches weren't too good either. EMTEC sent me some subsequent batches that were a vast improvement but by this time they were already winding down. I believe RMGI has carried on the torch with all the previous tooling from BASF - EMTEC.  Similarly with cassettes, AGFA had some very good Type I tapes. I remember them being very good sounding but they just detoriated. It's a shame because they were some of the best Type I tapes I have ever heard.  Regards,  Bala  ________________________________ From: Steve Ember To: Kevin Fetner ; Nakamichi Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel Hello, all, and especially Kevin.  I wonder if, at your convenience, Kevin, you could share with us the tape brands, types, and years of manufacture that suffer from the dreaded sticky shedding phenomenon. Anyone newly discovering open reel will most certainly benefit from this knowledge, as cleaning the heads, rollers, and guides is no picnic, as all of us who've ever had to do it in archiving old material know so well! If I may, I'll get the list going with the notoriously screechy/sheddy Ampex 406 (1.5 mil) and 407 (1.0 mil) professional tapes produced in the 70's/early 80s. Steer a VERY wide course around this stuff. Steve ________________________________ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:47:16 -0700 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel ________________________________ Ashvin, Now that you've dazzled us with your knowledge of metal particles and binding of magnetic tape, the point still stands that the predominance of problems with old tape revolve around SSS. It's well documented even down to brands and yrs of manufacture. Since 1/4" LPR35 is a entry level RMGI new tape, it has all the advantages over 40+yr old tape, especially the brands and yrs known to cause SSS. It's also hotter and better spec-ed. So, it's not like I'm suggesting to buy the more expensive, studio master RMGI or ATR tape for an old machine that someone pays $40 for...I'm just suggesting that if someone is going to restore a machine and do reasonably serious recording, have it calibrated for a tape like LPR35. Most of us serious reelers have done exactly that. Use the RMGI and ATR master tapes for live recordings of value. Kevin ________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:06:34 -0500 From: ashvin srivastava Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel To: Kevin Fetner ,    Talk about Nakamichi Cassette     Decks Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, I want to make a couple of comments on magnetic tape (oxide or metal particle) 1.) Essentially the hyteretic curve of ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic particle based tapes is very well understood.  The crystal physics is fundamentally well understood since the late 60's.  Most of the variations on the B-H hysteretic curve was a function of crystal, cation-modifications in the crystal as it related to "poly-crystallinf" grains.  Over the years the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long time. 2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial glue/binder is.  If this happens under stable studio conditions it is really bad tape. Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." 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Consequently, that helped their tapes a great deal and most of them remain playable till today.  The initial batch of EMTEC (formerly BASF) tapes were better then there BASF pre-decessors but still had some stretching issues. EMTEC followed up by sending me a few samples of an improved tape that was much better and held up very well. After 10 over years, they are in perfect condition. The GP9 though I would say has lost a bit of its shine. They were nice because they also came with those ceramic plated CD blanks that sounded really good! I suppose with RMGI continuing this, the formulations should get better with most of those problems going away. A lot of this all comes down to how the tapes are stored from the beginning. Some studios I have visited have their masters kept in immaculate conditions and the tape sounds that way too.   Going back 30 years ago, the learning curve was steep. Looking back, its amazing to see that even with all those challenges, reel to reel sounded incredible compared to all the digital hi-res that we have. Even with the considerable ease, audio doesn't sound as good. Just like with vinyl, a lot of those problems don't happen any more because the tapes have got better, along with handling techniques and better understanding of the whole process.  Kind Regards  Bala  ________________________________ From: Andrew Burkhart To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Reel to reel Bala, Did you bake the tape before transferring? I've had R2R's since the 70's and most every Ampex/Quantegy, 3M/Scotch formulation from the 70's - 90's suffered SSS (sticky shed syndrome) and requires a controlled temp bake to make them playable.  Oddly, the Japanese tapes (Maxell & TDK) don't suffer from this. They have a different binder formulation that doesn't hydrate (in simple terms).  I have some 2000 era Quantegy & Emtec tape and supposedly they had changed the formulations to prevent SSS, but I haven't tested it yet.   Also have not tried any of the current tapes from RMGI or ATR.  I wonder how those will hold up over time.  Andrew Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:35 AM, Bala Ganesh wrote: Hi Ashvin, > > >While tape is relatively stable for a long time, what happens is with especially higher speed tape, and under challenging storage conditions is something to consider.  > > >I've had some of my father's 7.5 Ips recordings come back perfectly while 15ips tape made almost ten years later have had so much of drop outs we had to retransfer them.  > > >Both are good tape. But it was a time when there were various grades of tapes and different reactions resulted. GP9 masters I made more then a decade ago are still in good shape and sound pristine on my PR99 till to day.  > > >I would strongly recommend setting up the deck for a new formulation and stick with it. The OP is lucky he doesn't have legacy recordings to worry about.  > > >Cheers,  >Bala > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 29/04/2013, at 2:06 PM, ashvin srivastava wrote: > > >Kevin, >> >> >>I want to make a couple of comments on magnetic tape (oxide or metal particle) >> >> >>1.) Essentially the hyteretic curve of ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic particle based tapes is very well understood.  The crystal physics is fundamentally well understood since the late 60's.  Most of the variations on the B-H hysteretic curve was a function of crystal, cation-modifications in the crystal as it related to "poly-crystallinf" grains.  Over the years the proces of precipitating or grinding these powders, maintaining tight particle size distributions and forming the two layer sandwich uniformly, has been more fertile grounds for technological advancements. Starting from the gamma-Fe2O3 to the chrome oxides to the ferro-chrome to the metal particle.......compositional knowledge has been known for a long. long time. >> >> >>2.) When one takes two dissimilar materials such as a polymer and a ceramic oxide or metal particle which is compacted and sandwiched to the polymer, and this sandwich is put through severe thermal cycling, the stresses caused by the delta in thermal expansion coeficient will induce extreme conditions leading to delamination, no matter how good the interfacial glue/binder is.  If this happens under stable studio conditions it is really bad tape.   >> >> >>Now, remember this discussion was not catering to an Abbey Road recording engineer getting ready to pull out his 2" 24 track, 30ips Studer and record "Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Band." He is rather concerned about spending $40 plus shipping on a R2R ... >> >> >>ashvin >> >> >>On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >>Actually it IS very dependent on tape brands and is called SSS(sticky-shed syndrome). It's a problem with the binder in many brands and in specific yrs. But this is a foolish argument with new tape out there like LPR35.  You're promoting tape formulas that are 40yrs old against the latest & greatest formulas. Any good tech can do a bias & equalization adjustment on your old deck, providing it can be tweaked far enough to accommodate the newer, hotter formulas. Most decks from the mid 70's on, can be adjusted for the newer tapes. If you have blank metal 10.5 reels you can buy pancakes which are cheaper yet. And LPR35 is just the entry point; there are many professional formulas being currently made. You'll pay more but you get more in QUALITY. Just because you buy an old deck doesn't mean you have to buy 40yr old tape. >>> >>>Kevin >>> >>>Message: 2 >>>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:46:34 +0000 >>>From: Rodrigo Krause >>>Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>>To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >>>Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB0143BC at STVTEX06> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>>...And what manufacturer might that be? >>>Rodrigo Krause dos S. R. >>>Relações com Investidores >>>Multiplan S.A. >>>+55 21 3031-5600 >>> >>>________________________________ >>>De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Enviada em: Fri Apr 26 09:34:07 2013 >>>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] reel 2 reel >>> >>>The issue is not the brand of tape. Its the age and thermal cycling. >>> >>>Many studios that closed or went digital kept tapes in boxes in garages where it can freeze and then get like an oven. >>> >>>These tapes separate at the magnetic oxide/substrate interface and its expensive or time consuming to clean the heads. >>> >>>You have no idea what you are getting on ebay. Even the seller truly does not know. 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You have to be careful because the centre stalk is quite soft and the whole thing can snap off if done wrongly.  If you want to see some movement, lift up the two tension levels on either side and get someone to push the transport buttons (play, rev or ffwd) for you. There are switches behind those arms to detect tape end or slack that will cut off the transport. When those buttons are pushed, both reel tables should be spinning in the opposite directions although one might spin faster then the other. That's as far as you can really go although I would recommend that you get your hands some tape (possible some on a small spool if the machine didn't come with NAB hubs) and see what it does.  That should give you a fair idea of where the machine currently is and if it matches the seller's description.  Regards,  Bala  ________________________________ From: Cyrus Shirali To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] R2R arrival Hi guys, Thanks for all the R2R advice, I went with the purchase and the unit finally arrived today. a Tascam 34 Upon looking at the box, looked like it was poorly packed, after i told i even  mentioned to double box it. took it out. it  looks like in good shape. then i found the infamous bent spindle. the right reel has it. i cant get it out. so i guess i will unscrew the 3 screws in the wheel and take a look at it. (its my first R2R so its unfamiliar ground for me, i might not know all the part names..) attached are some pics. I do not have any actual tapes yet to test audio. so what ever i can do to test it now would be great. upon turning it  on, when i pressed play or ff / rw. i didn't get any movement. so i don't know if i have to set something first in order to get the motor running. I actually have a 48 hour window to declare any damages on the unit, or if its not working properly. /Cy   ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 03/05/2013, at 8:53 AM, Cyrus Shirali wrote: > Thanks Bala, > > So i removed the reel table, looks mostly like its the spindle thats bent, when i removed it. > I lifted up the "arms". and the transport buttons all worked play ff and rw. i didn't test record yet. the counter read good. > > so when i removed the real table i noticed a thin metal band in a loop that overlaps the rear of the reel table. > thats intact, but i how do i get it around the a rear part of the table when i am inserting back in, any technique in doing this? > > > <2013-05-02 18.49.05.jpeg> > > <2013-05-02 18.50.21.jpeg> > > > > > On May 2, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> Hi Cyrus, >> >> You have a bent spindle on the reel table. Remove the three screws and get that spindle to someone who has a bench vice and can gently straighten that spindle. You have to be careful because the centre stalk is quite soft and the whole thing can snap off if done wrongly. >> >> If you want to see some movement, lift up the two tension levels on either side and get someone to push the transport buttons (play, rev or ffwd) for you. There are switches behind those arms to detect tape end or slack that will cut off the transport. When those buttons are pushed, both reel tables should be spinning in the opposite directions although one might spin faster then the other. That's as far as you can really go although I would recommend that you get your hands some tape (possible some on a small spool if the machine didn't come with NAB hubs) and see what it does. >> >> That should give you a fair idea of where the machine currently is and if it matches the seller's description. >> >> Regards, >> Bala >> >> From: Cyrus Shirali >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:15 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] R2R arrival >> >> Hi guys, >> >> Thanks for all the R2R advice, I went with the purchase and the unit finally arrived today. a Tascam 34 >> >> Upon looking at the box, looked like it was poorly packed, after i told i even mentioned to double box it. >> took it out. it looks like in good shape. then i found the infamous bent spindle. >> >> the right reel has it. i cant get it out. so i guess i will unscrew the 3 screws in the wheel and take a look at it. >> (its my first R2R so its unfamiliar ground for me, i might not know all the part names..) >> >> attached are some pics. >> >> I do not have any actual tapes yet to test audio. so what ever i can do to test it now would be great. >> upon turning it on, when i pressed play or ff / rw. i didn't get any movement. so i don't know if i have to set something first in order to get the motor running. 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(its my first R2R so its unfamiliar ground for me, i might not know all the part names..) attached are some pics. I do not have any actual tapes yet to test audio. so what ever i can do to test it now would be great. upon turning it on, when i pressed play or ff / rw. i didn't get any movement. so i don't know if i have to set something first in order to get the motor running. I actually have a 48 hour window to declare any damages on the unit, or if its not working properly. /Cy <2013-05-01 14.23.48.jpeg> <2013-05-01 14.23.34.jpeg> <2013-05-01 14.23.00.jpeg> From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu May 2 15:30:06 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 06:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:R2R arrival In-Reply-To: <201305021434.r42ER256029928@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305021434.r42ER256029928@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1367501406.82095.YahooMailNeo@web162803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ Cyrus, Unfortunately, this is one of the worst things to happen in shipping of a R2R-bent spindle. Deck tables are really hard to come by. I know a tech who used to work for Teac, is the best at repairing these decks and can give you an eval of your situation. PM me if you're interested in contacting him. Sellers just don't get it about shipping R2R's. I've seen them pad everything except the reel tables which are of course, the most delicate, crucial part. I would NOT try to bend anything by yourself in a vice until you talked to a tech....unless you have absolute faith in doing  that and have done it before with stellar results. Kevin ________________________________ From: Cyrus Shirali To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] R2R arrival Hi guys, Thanks for all the R2R advice, I went with the purchase and the unit finally arrived today. a Tascam 34 Upon looking at the box, looked like it was poorly packed, after i told i even  mentioned to double box it. took it out. it  looks like in good shape. then i found the infamous bent spindle. the right reel has it. i cant get it out. so i guess i will unscrew the 3 screws in the wheel and take a look at it. (its my first R2R so its unfamiliar ground for me, i might not know all the part names..) attached are some pics. I do not have any actual tapes yet to test audio. so what ever i can do to test it now would be great. upon turning it  on, when i pressed play or ff / rw. i didn't get any movement. so i don't know if i have to set something first in order to get the motor running. 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Fri May 3 00:53:12 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 18:53:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] R2R arrival In-Reply-To: <1367485510.87952.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <27865979-9D91-4BF8-AA9D-7DF5AE035A42@gmail.com> <1367485510.87952.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bala, So i removed the reel table, looks mostly like its the spindle thats bent, when i removed it. I lifted up the "arms". and the transport buttons all worked play ff and rw. i didn't test record yet. the counter read good. so when i removed the real table i noticed a thin metal band in a loop that overlaps the rear of the reel table. thats intact, but i how do i get it around the a rear part of the table when i am inserting back in, any technique in doing this? On May 2, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Cyrus, > > You have a bent spindle on the reel table. Remove the three screws and get that spindle to someone who has a bench vice and can gently straighten that spindle. You have to be careful because the centre stalk is quite soft and the whole thing can snap off if done wrongly. > > If you want to see some movement, lift up the two tension levels on either side and get someone to push the transport buttons (play, rev or ffwd) for you. There are switches behind those arms to detect tape end or slack that will cut off the transport. When those buttons are pushed, both reel tables should be spinning in the opposite directions although one might spin faster then the other. That's as far as you can really go although I would recommend that you get your hands some tape (possible some on a small spool if the machine didn't come with NAB hubs) and see what it does. > > That should give you a fair idea of where the machine currently is and if it matches the seller's description. > > Regards, > Bala > > From: Cyrus Shirali > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:15 AM > Subject: [naktalk] R2R arrival > > Hi guys, > > Thanks for all the R2R advice, I went with the purchase and the unit finally arrived today. a Tascam 34 > > Upon looking at the box, looked like it was poorly packed, after i told i even mentioned to double box it. > took it out. it looks like in good shape. then i found the infamous bent spindle. > > the right reel has it. i cant get it out. so i guess i will unscrew the 3 screws in the wheel and take a look at it. > (its my first R2R so its unfamiliar ground for me, i might not know all the part names..) > > attached are some pics. > > I do not have any actual tapes yet to test audio. so what ever i can do to test it now would be great. > upon turning it on, when i pressed play or ff / rw. i didn't get any movement. so i don't know if i have to set something first in order to get the motor running. 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This page is a list of tapes that we will attempt to keep current. For detailed information see the author’s 2008 ARSC Journal article on tape degradation (click here). Remember that all of these degradation modes are triggered by a combination of one or more of the following: –original formulation –batch variations including incomplete reactions during manufacture –storage history over the tape’s life (temperature, humidity, pollution) [added 2012-02-26] One fascinating perspective is emerging from ongoing discussions on the Association of Recorded Sound Collections email list (ARSC List): different tape types in different parts of the world may behave differently. Again, this comes down to plant-to-plant variations at least and perhaps formula and/or raw material differences. A factor that may have caused the differing formulations could be different local environmental regulations for each plant, but that is mostly conjecture on this author’s part, although there were some studies from Alabama attempting to address the pollution from the Ampex/Quantegy plant in Opelika. [added 2012-02-26] The remainder of this update focuses on Agfa PEM 469, see notes below. Classic Sticky Shed (Sticky Shed Syndrome or SSS) (generally responds to incubation/baking) Caution: Playing a tape with advanced SSS can rip the mag coat off the base film and leave it attached to the backing. If in doubt, it is MUCH safer to bake a potential SSS tape than play it. This especially true as the SSS effects are often worse at the centre where the pressures are higher. The Ampex Tape Baking patent is available here. Ampex/Quantegy 406, 407, 456, 457 (1970s-1980s) Note: Reports indicate that these problems may exist in tapes made in the 1990s and later, even under the Quantegy name. EMTEC SM911 As of 2009-01, there are two confirmed reports that 2003-vintage Emtec SM911 is showing the first stages of SSS. A short bake seems to help it. We don’t yet know for how long before it reverts. I hope RMGI has fixed this! Later reports indicate that this may be shed only, without the stickiness AND that it was limited to one or two batches which were mostly replaced. As of this writing, it has been confirmed that batch number B0134007 was involved. This tape may be better placed with the Agfa, below, under non-sticky shed. Please do not assume that either the prior BASF tape nor the later RMGI tape of the same part number suffers similar issues. We do not know how extensive the EMTEC issues are. As of now it seems to be very limited. Audiotape/Capitol Q15 (early 1980s) Note: This tape may or may not respond to baking. Scotch/3M 226, 227, 806, 807, 808, 809, “Classic”, and “Master” are the primary SSS tapes Scotch/3M 250 has also exhibited some tendency towards SSS Scotch/3M 908, 966/986, 967, and 996 has as of 2009-01 been reported with some instances of SSS. Many other reports do not show this. Looking at the list of 3M tapes on the AES website (click here), and especially the binder types, can provide some help in understanding the progression of failure from SBS to SSS. Seeing the groups there can help predict the performance of a tape not listed above (or below under SBS) Sony ULH-72-370-BL (stock number X-2441-247-0) was reported by John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY. This tape responded to baking. Lighter edge-shedding (generally responds to wiping) This section was added 2011-03-05 but represents several years of experience with this variant on the SSS degradation. This type of degradation presents some evidence of classic SSS,  but the main difference is that it is not as far advanced and it seems to be much worse at the edges of the tape than in the middle. This may be an interaction between the binder/mag coat and the air. Tapes with this degradation modality can be played well after a wipe with Pellon. This procedure can be integrated into the rewind process for tapes which are tails-out. A strip of non-woven,  non-fusible interfacing fabric like Pellon-brand can be cut into approximately inch-wide strips on an office paper cutter (using several folds of material. That is then wrapped around a dowel or pencil and then held so the mag coat runs over the smooth surface. The “tail” follows the tape direction and the fabric is slowly unwound. Generally two or three inches (5–8 cm) is adequate for a 20-minute album side at 15 in/s. One wipe substantially reduces the risk of some of the edge degradation products lodging on the head and increasing spacing loss (which affects higher frequencies more). Scotch/3M 201 shows this behaviour. This is the first “low noise” tape from 3M and was available in 1.5 mil acetate (201), 1.5 mil polyester (202), and 1.0 mil polyester (203). So far, I have seen this problem only with the acetate-based version (201), but it is worth checking the polyester versions (202 or 203) for this degradation modality. Obviously, the acetate version could not be baked and this was the impetus for searching for a reliable method of addressing 201. Scotch/3M 206/207 shows this behaviour on a limited basis, based on poorly stored samples. This tape is starting to get a bit stiffer than when new and reports are coming in that wiping it will remove the edge shedding and allow a good transfer. This shedding, of course, can get lodged between the tape and head and increase high-frequency spacing loss. EMI Tape (with black mag coat and a dull red back coat) from circa 1973-1974 The difference between this modality and the back coating turning to powder and causing spacing loss is that the residue from this degradation, while much less in quantity and density of a classic SSS tape is still slightly sticky and not a loose powder. In other words, it needs to be cleaned off, not blown or vacuumed off. Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS) (generally responds to cold playing) In advanced states, this condition results in a squeal, but does not have the huge amounts of gooey shedding of classic SSS or even the lighter edge-shedding. Cold playback works in many cases, but playing with a lubricating film of decamethylcyclopentasiloxane (also known as cyclomethicone and )D5 also works well. Marie O’Connell’s wet playback system also works well. Melody 169 (a seconds brand of Scotch) Scotch/3M 175 Sony PR-150 TDK 150H (Thanks  John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY–he used the O’Connell Wet Playback method on these, so it is uncertain if cold playback would work.) Some unknown bulk-loaded cassettes do respond to cold playback. A few do not but may be coaxed into playback via lubrication with D5 (see our ARSC Journal paper for more details). Note that the concept of “Loss of Lubricant” is still widely discussed but, as of yet, in polyester-based tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems, we have yet to see any documentation that the lubricant is actually disappearing. We had some Sony PR-150 tested and it showed what appeared to be a normal lubricant load. Pyral (type numbers unknown for this French tape-does not respond to baking may respond to cold playing) Note that as of 2011-12, Pyral has taken over the RGMI Agfa Tapes (updated 2012-02-26) Agfa PEM-526 exhibited dry shedding. See our article here. This is a totally dry dusting of powder, so it may or may not be Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS), but we could class it as that as the particles are not being retained well. Although a similar condition has been reported with PEM-469, recent experience shows a different degradation modality for PEM-469. Agfa PEM-468, PEM-469 There are mixed reviews on these tapes and we have been told that most of the bad tape was recalled and transferred at Agfa’s expense. This was supposedly affecting only a half-year’s worth of batches from pre-1990. Unike Ampex/Quantegy, baking is NOT recommended as a matter of course, based in part on our experience with the PEM-526 and this article, although the baking temperature may have been a bit too high (60 °C) in that instance. The author of these pages encountered two very nasty reels of one-inch Agfa PEM 469 in 2012-02 (recorded in 1988-01) that shed a waxy clear-to-slightly-yellow exudate from the mag coat. This waxy coating did show some buildup, especially during fast wind, but not nearly as much as Ampex 456.We can’t call it SSS because one of the definitions of classic SSS is that it is resolved by baking. This apparently is made worse by baking…and I’m too chicken to try it. It should probably be considered yet another variant of Soft Binder Syndrome (or SBS). Another point of interest is that some of the mag coat was also transferring slightly to the back coat which was then coming off on the capstan (which presses against the back coat side of the tape). This was a pressure transfer from the back coat to the capstan as the pinch roller (pressing on the mag coat side) was segmented and the segments clearly printed onto the capstan. No pressure, no mag-coat residue. This is an A-wind machine, a Sony APR-16. It is a reverse configuration from the Studers. After consultation on the ARSC List and receiving replies from Marie O’Connell in New Zealand and Corey Bailey in Los Angeles, I decided to continue with the non-baking recommendation as there was just too much conversation on the Web and ARSCList against baking to make me feel comfortable. The tape’s mag coat was run over a Pellon pad in library wind and then over a D5-soaked Pellon pad, also in library wind.  D5 was generously applied to the heads and fixed guides immediately before the transfer. We applied about 2.5 ml (cc) of D5 to each tape. Note D5 is also known as decamethylcyclopentasiloxane, Siloxane D5, CAS # 541-02-6, and sometimes referred to as Cyclomethicone (generally in regards to the product as produced by Dow Corning). It is found in many personal care products and has recently been declared safe for the environment by the Canadian Ministry of the Environment. The worse of the two tapes was stopped twice to re-clean the heads and reapply D5. It is not clear to me if the slight loss of brightness was due to reproduce or recording issues, as apparently some batches of this tape shed when originally manufactured. This tape has been reported stable in parts of Europe, but Ms. O’Connell confirmed the clear-to-yellow waxy exudate and indicated that it was one of her least favourite tapes to transfer. She reported that it did respond to her isopropyl drip technique and Mr. Bailey suggested gentle baking (about 48 °C for 24 hours) which allowed him to have success with the tape.  He also reports success with lubricants from The Last Factory here (second to last section). Vinegar Syndrome (Acetate Tapes) This category is different from all of the above. The above refer to variants on polyester (PET/Mylar(tm)) basefilm tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems. These tapes are acetate-based tapes and here the rule is DO NOT BAKE! Most of these tapes are from the 1950s and 1960s, though some were made in the late 1940s, and acetate tape was made into the early 1970s. Any acetate tape can suffer from vinegar syndrome, and it is discussed in more detail in my ARSC paper with references to research conducted on acetate film. The listing here are for the worst players that I have come across or heard about. ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Fri May 3 10:36:09 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 04:36:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] R2R arrival In-Reply-To: <0A4839D2-41BB-4EF4-9688-291F5C03C11A@bellsouth.net> References: <27865979-9D91-4BF8-AA9D-7DF5AE035A42@gmail.com> <0A4839D2-41BB-4EF4-9688-291F5C03C11A@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <49B4F3B6-E33F-47EB-ADFF-AEFED16E25ED@gmail.com> thanks david & Kevin, i was wondering why i didn't get any response from the buttons (sigh but luckily i was able to prop up the arms with up with my one of my girlfriends "toys" and once I hit play all was well, FF and RW worked too. I didn't try out recording button out.. lol Kevin: you are right about packaging, I asked them to double pack. when it arrived it came :/ They offered to cover some of the damage during shipping. . On May 2, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Dave wrote: > Cy, you have to lift the tape tensioner to fake out the deck so that the motor will operate when you press either the play/FF//REW buttons. Good luck with spindle. > >> From David > > > On May 1, 2013, at 15:15, Cyrus Shirali wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Thanks for all the R2R advice, I went with the purchase and the unit finally arrived today. a Tascam 34 > > Upon looking at the box, looked like it was poorly packed, after i told i even mentioned to double box it. > took it out. it looks like in good shape. then i found the infamous bent spindle. > > the right reel has it. i cant get it out. so i guess i will unscrew the 3 screws in the wheel and take a look at it. > (its my first R2R so its unfamiliar ground for me, i might not know all the part names..) > > attached are some pics. > > I do not have any actual tapes yet to test audio. so what ever i can do to test it now would be great. > upon turning it on, when i pressed play or ff / rw. i didn't get any movement. so i don't know if i have to set something first in order to get the motor running. I actually have a 48 hour window to declare any damages on the unit, or if its not working properly. > > /Cy > > > > <2013-05-01 14.23.48.jpeg> > > <2013-05-01 14.23.34.jpeg> > <2013-05-01 14.23.00.jpeg> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From le.cyrus at gmail.com Fri May 3 10:46:46 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 04:46:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] R2R arrival In-Reply-To: <49B4F3B6-E33F-47EB-ADFF-AEFED16E25ED@gmail.com> References: <27865979-9D91-4BF8-AA9D-7DF5AE035A42@gmail.com> <0A4839D2-41BB-4EF4-9688-291F5C03C11A@bellsouth.net> <49B4F3B6-E33F-47EB-ADFF-AEFED16E25ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21E5B756-DE0D-4BF6-AE83-F6E190F31116@gmail.com> I think everything is working now :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDX_CS3NsTk :) On May 3, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Cyrus Shirali wrote: > > thanks david & Kevin, > > i was wondering why i didn't get any response from the buttons (sigh but luckily > i was able to prop up the arms with up with my one of my girlfriends "toys" and once I hit > play all was well, FF and RW worked too. I didn't try out recording button out.. lol > > Kevin: you are right about packaging, I asked them to double pack. > when it arrived it came :/ > They offered to cover some of the damage during shipping. . > > > > > On May 2, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Dave wrote: > >> Cy, you have to lift the tape tensioner to fake out the deck so that the motor will operate when you press either the play/FF//REW buttons. Good luck with spindle. >> >>> From David >> >> >> On May 1, 2013, at 15:15, Cyrus Shirali wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> Thanks for all the R2R advice, I went with the purchase and the unit finally arrived today. a Tascam 34 >> >> Upon looking at the box, looked like it was poorly packed, after i told i even mentioned to double box it. >> took it out. it looks like in good shape. then i found the infamous bent spindle. >> >> the right reel has it. i cant get it out. so i guess i will unscrew the 3 screws in the wheel and take a look at it. >> (its my first R2R so its unfamiliar ground for me, i might not know all the part names..) >> >> attached are some pics. >> >> I do not have any actual tapes yet to test audio. so what ever i can do to test it now would be great. >> upon turning it on, when i pressed play or ff / rw. i didn't get any movement. so i don't know if i have to set something first in order to get the motor running. I actually have a 48 hour window to declare any damages on the unit, or if its not working properly. >> >> /Cy >> >> >> >> <2013-05-01 14.23.48.jpeg> >> >> <2013-05-01 14.23.34.jpeg> >> <2013-05-01 14.23.00.jpeg> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From le.cyrus at gmail.com Fri May 3 11:31:14 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 05:31:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Reel to reel/SSS In-Reply-To: <1367554227.34497.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305021434.r42ER256029928@zxe.naks.com> <1367554227.34497.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is very interesting, I work with film and video, and often times work with people that purchase new old stock raw film. different media, same concept :) On May 3, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Steve, > This is for you and anyone else interested in degrading tape. > Kevin > -Degrading Tapes > > Filed under: — 2009-01-30 by Richard L. Hess — Last Edit 2012-07-26 by Richard L. Hess > Last updated 2012-02-26 > This page supersedes the blog page for a listing of tapes that have degraded in some way or another. This page is a list of tapes that we will attempt to keep current. For detailed information see the author’s 2008 ARSC Journal article on tape degradation (click here). > Remember that all of these degradation modes are triggered by a combination of one or more of the following: > –original formulation > –batch variations including incomplete reactions during manufacture > –storage history over the tape’s life (temperature, humidity, pollution) > [added 2012-02-26] One fascinating perspective is emerging from ongoing discussions on the Association of Recorded Sound Collections email list (ARSC List): different tape types in different parts of the world may behave differently. Again, this comes down to plant-to-plant variations at least and perhaps formula and/or raw material differences. A factor that may have caused the differing formulations could be different local environmental regulations for each plant, but that is mostly conjecture on this author’s part, although there were some studies from Alabama attempting to address the pollution from the Ampex/Quantegy plant in Opelika. > [added 2012-02-26] The remainder of this update focuses on Agfa PEM 469, see notes below. > > Classic Sticky Shed (Sticky Shed Syndrome or SSS) (generally responds to incubation/baking) > Caution: Playing a tape with advanced SSS can rip the mag coat off the base film and leave it attached to the backing. If in doubt, it is MUCH safer to bake a potential SSS tape than play it. This especially true as the SSS effects are often worse at the centre where the pressures are higher. > The Ampex Tape Baking patent is available here. > Ampex/Quantegy 406, 407, 456, 457 (1970s-1980s) > Note: Reports indicate that these problems may exist in tapes made in the 1990s > and later, even under the Quantegy name. > EMTEC SM911 As of 2009-01, there are two confirmed reports that 2003-vintage Emtec SM911 is showing the first stages of SSS. A short bake seems to help it. We don’t yet know for how long before it reverts. I hope RMGI has fixed this! Later reports indicate that this may be shed only, without the stickiness AND that it was limited to one or two batches which were mostly replaced. As of this writing, it has been confirmed that batch number B0134007 was involved. This tape may be better placed with the Agfa, below, under non-sticky shed. Please do not assume that either the prior BASF tape nor the later RMGI tape of the same part number suffers similar issues. We do not know how extensive the EMTEC issues are. As of now it seems to be very limited. > Audiotape/Capitol Q15 (early 1980s) Note: This tape may or may not respond to baking. > Scotch/3M 226, 227, 806, 807, 808, 809, “Classic”, and “Master” are the primary SSS tapes > Scotch/3M 250 has also exhibited some tendency towards SSS > Scotch/3M 908, 966/986, 967, and 996 has as of 2009-01 been reported with some instances of SSS. Many other reports do not show this. Looking at the list of 3M tapes on the AES website (click here), and especially the binder types, can provide some help in understanding the progression of failure from SBS to SSS. Seeing the groups there can help predict the performance of a tape not listed above (or below under SBS) > Sony ULH-72-370-BL (stock number X-2441-247-0) was reported by John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY. This tape responded to baking. > > Lighter edge-shedding (generally responds to wiping) > This section was added 2011-03-05 but represents several years of experience with this variant on the SSS degradation. This type of degradation presents some evidence of classic SSS, but the main difference is that it is not as far advanced and it seems to be much worse at the edges of the tape than in the middle. This may be an interaction between the binder/mag coat and the air. > Tapes with this degradation modality can be played well after a wipe with Pellon. This procedure can be integrated into the rewind process for tapes which are tails-out. A strip of non-woven, non-fusible interfacing fabric like Pellon-brand can be cut into approximately inch-wide strips on an office paper cutter (using several folds of material. That is then wrapped around a dowel or pencil and then held so the mag coat runs over the smooth surface. The “tail” follows the tape direction and the fabric is slowly unwound. Generally two or three inches (5–8 cm) is adequate for a 20-minute album side at 15 in/s. > One wipe substantially reduces the risk of some of the edge degradation products lodging on the head and increasing spacing loss (which affects higher frequencies more). > Scotch/3M 201 shows this behaviour. This is the first “low noise” tape from 3M and was available in 1.5 mil acetate (201), 1.5 mil polyester (202), and 1.0 mil polyester (203). So far, I have seen this problem only with the acetate-based version (201), but it is worth checking the polyester versions (202 or 203) for this degradation modality. Obviously, the acetate version could not be baked and this was the impetus for searching for a reliable method of addressing 201. > Scotch/3M 206/207 shows this behaviour on a limited basis, based on poorly stored samples. This tape is starting to get a bit stiffer than when new and reports are coming in that wiping it will remove the edge shedding and allow a good transfer. This shedding, of course, can get lodged between the tape and head and increase high-frequency spacing loss. > EMI Tape (with black mag coat and a dull red back coat) from circa 1973-1974 > The difference between this modality and the back coating turning to powder and causing spacing loss is that the residue from this degradation, while much less in quantity and density of a classic SSS tape is still slightly sticky and not a loose powder. In other words, it needs to be cleaned off, not blown or vacuumed off. > > Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS) (generally responds to cold playing) > In advanced states, this condition results in a squeal, but does not have the huge amounts of gooey shedding of classic SSS or even the lighter edge-shedding. Cold playback works in many cases, but playing with a lubricating film of decamethylcyclopentasiloxane (also known as cyclomethicone and )D5 also works well. Marie O’Connell’s wet playback system also works well. > Melody 169 (a seconds brand of Scotch) > Scotch/3M 175 > Sony PR-150 > TDK 150H (Thanks John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY–he used the O’Connell Wet Playback method on these, so it is uncertain if cold playback would work.) > Some unknown bulk-loaded cassettes do respond to cold playback. A few do not but may be coaxed into playback via lubrication with D5 (see our ARSC Journal paper for more details). > Note that the concept of “Loss of Lubricant” is still widely discussed but, as of yet, in polyester-based tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems, we have yet to see any documentation that the lubricant is actually disappearing. We had some Sony PR-150 tested and it showed what appeared to be a normal lubricant load. > Pyral (type numbers unknown for this French tape-does not respond to baking may respond to cold playing) Note that as of 2011-12, Pyral has taken over the RGMI > > Agfa Tapes (updated 2012-02-26) > Agfa PEM-526 exhibited dry shedding. See our article here. This is a totally dry dusting of powder, so it may or may not be Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS), but we could class it as that as the particles are not being retained well. Although a similar condition has been reported with PEM-469, recent experience shows a different degradation modality for PEM-469. > Agfa PEM-468, PEM-469 There are mixed reviews on these tapes and we have been told that most of the bad tape was recalled and transferred at Agfa’s expense. This was supposedly affecting only a half-year’s worth of batches from pre-1990. Unike Ampex/Quantegy, baking is NOT recommended as a matter of course, based in part on our experience with the PEM-526 and this article, although the baking temperature may have been a bit too high (60 °C) in that instance. > The author of these pages encountered two very nasty reels of one-inch Agfa PEM 469 in 2012-02 (recorded in 1988-01) that shed a waxy clear-to-slightly-yellow exudate from the mag coat. This waxy coating did show some buildup, especially during fast wind, but not nearly as much as Ampex 456.We can’t call it SSS because one of the definitions of classic SSS is that it is resolved by baking. This apparently is made worse by baking…and I’m too chicken to try it. It should probably be considered yet another variant of Soft Binder Syndrome (or SBS). > Another point of interest is that some of the mag coat was also transferring slightly to the back coat which was then coming off on the capstan (which presses against the back coat side of the tape). This was a pressure transfer from the back coat to the capstan as the pinch roller (pressing on the mag coat side) was segmented and the segments clearly printed onto the capstan. No pressure, no mag-coat residue. This is an A-wind machine, a Sony APR-16. It is a reverse configuration from the Studers. > After consultation on the ARSC List and receiving replies from Marie O’Connell in New Zealand and Corey Bailey in Los Angeles, I decided to continue with the non-baking recommendation as there was just too much conversation on the Web and ARSCList against baking to make me feel comfortable. > The tape’s mag coat was run over a Pellon pad in library wind and then over a D5-soaked Pellon pad, also in library wind. D5 was generously applied to the heads and fixed guides immediately before the transfer. We applied about 2.5 ml (cc) of D5 to each tape. Note D5 is also known as decamethylcyclopentasiloxane, Siloxane D5, CAS # 541-02-6, and sometimes referred to as Cyclomethicone (generally in regards to the product as produced by Dow Corning). It is found in many personal care products and has recently been declared safe for the environment by the Canadian Ministry of the Environment. > The worse of the two tapes was stopped twice to re-clean the heads and reapply D5. It is not clear to me if the slight loss of brightness was due to reproduce or recording issues, as apparently some batches of this tape shed when originally manufactured. > This tape has been reported stable in parts of Europe, but Ms. O’Connell confirmed the clear-to-yellow waxy exudate and indicated that it was one of her least favourite tapes to transfer. She reported that it did respond to her isopropyl drip technique and Mr. Bailey suggested gentle baking (about 48 °C for 24 hours) which allowed him to have success with the tape. He also reports success with lubricants from The Last Factory here (second to last section). > > Vinegar Syndrome (Acetate Tapes) > This category is different from all of the above. The above refer to variants on polyester (PET/Mylar(tm)) basefilm tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems. These tapes are acetate-based tapes and here the rule is DO NOT BAKE! Most of these tapes are from the 1950s and 1960s, though some were made in the late 1940s, and acetate tape was made into the early 1970s. Any acetate tape can suffer from vinegar syndrome, and it is discussed in more detail in my ARSC paper with references to research conducted on acetate film. The listing here are for the worst players that I have come across or heard about. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Fri May 3 12:36:25 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 06:36:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Reel to reel/SSS In-Reply-To: <1367554227.34497.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305021434.r42ER256029928@zxe.naks.com> <1367554227.34497.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F1C757B-2BF9-4B42-9C91-7F4E0B2CCB6C@gmail.com> king tubby buried his vinyl under oak to degrade them i beleive . but somewhere in the process his studio burned down… :/ On May 3, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Steve, > This is for you and anyone else interested in degrading tape. > Kevin > -Degrading Tapes > > Filed under: — 2009-01-30 by Richard L. Hess — Last Edit 2012-07-26 by Richard L. Hess > Last updated 2012-02-26 > This page supersedes the blog page for a listing of tapes that have degraded in some way or another. This page is a list of tapes that we will attempt to keep current. For detailed information see the author’s 2008 ARSC Journal article on tape degradation (click here). > Remember that all of these degradation modes are triggered by a combination of one or more of the following: > –original formulation > –batch variations including incomplete reactions during manufacture > –storage history over the tape’s life (temperature, humidity, pollution) > [added 2012-02-26] One fascinating perspective is emerging from ongoing discussions on the Association of Recorded Sound Collections email list (ARSC List): different tape types in different parts of the world may behave differently. Again, this comes down to plant-to-plant variations at least and perhaps formula and/or raw material differences. A factor that may have caused the differing formulations could be different local environmental regulations for each plant, but that is mostly conjecture on this author’s part, although there were some studies from Alabama attempting to address the pollution from the Ampex/Quantegy plant in Opelika. > [added 2012-02-26] The remainder of this update focuses on Agfa PEM 469, see notes below. > > Classic Sticky Shed (Sticky Shed Syndrome or SSS) (generally responds to incubation/baking) > Caution: Playing a tape with advanced SSS can rip the mag coat off the base film and leave it attached to the backing. If in doubt, it is MUCH safer to bake a potential SSS tape than play it. This especially true as the SSS effects are often worse at the centre where the pressures are higher. > The Ampex Tape Baking patent is available here. > Ampex/Quantegy 406, 407, 456, 457 (1970s-1980s) > Note: Reports indicate that these problems may exist in tapes made in the 1990s > and later, even under the Quantegy name. > EMTEC SM911 As of 2009-01, there are two confirmed reports that 2003-vintage Emtec SM911 is showing the first stages of SSS. A short bake seems to help it. We don’t yet know for how long before it reverts. I hope RMGI has fixed this! Later reports indicate that this may be shed only, without the stickiness AND that it was limited to one or two batches which were mostly replaced. As of this writing, it has been confirmed that batch number B0134007 was involved. This tape may be better placed with the Agfa, below, under non-sticky shed. Please do not assume that either the prior BASF tape nor the later RMGI tape of the same part number suffers similar issues. We do not know how extensive the EMTEC issues are. As of now it seems to be very limited. > Audiotape/Capitol Q15 (early 1980s) Note: This tape may or may not respond to baking. > Scotch/3M 226, 227, 806, 807, 808, 809, “Classic”, and “Master” are the primary SSS tapes > Scotch/3M 250 has also exhibited some tendency towards SSS > Scotch/3M 908, 966/986, 967, and 996 has as of 2009-01 been reported with some instances of SSS. Many other reports do not show this. Looking at the list of 3M tapes on the AES website (click here), and especially the binder types, can provide some help in understanding the progression of failure from SBS to SSS. Seeing the groups there can help predict the performance of a tape not listed above (or below under SBS) > Sony ULH-72-370-BL (stock number X-2441-247-0) was reported by John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY. This tape responded to baking. > > Lighter edge-shedding (generally responds to wiping) > This section was added 2011-03-05 but represents several years of experience with this variant on the SSS degradation. This type of degradation presents some evidence of classic SSS, but the main difference is that it is not as far advanced and it seems to be much worse at the edges of the tape than in the middle. This may be an interaction between the binder/mag coat and the air. > Tapes with this degradation modality can be played well after a wipe with Pellon. This procedure can be integrated into the rewind process for tapes which are tails-out. A strip of non-woven, non-fusible interfacing fabric like Pellon-brand can be cut into approximately inch-wide strips on an office paper cutter (using several folds of material. That is then wrapped around a dowel or pencil and then held so the mag coat runs over the smooth surface. The “tail” follows the tape direction and the fabric is slowly unwound. Generally two or three inches (5–8 cm) is adequate for a 20-minute album side at 15 in/s. > One wipe substantially reduces the risk of some of the edge degradation products lodging on the head and increasing spacing loss (which affects higher frequencies more). > Scotch/3M 201 shows this behaviour. This is the first “low noise” tape from 3M and was available in 1.5 mil acetate (201), 1.5 mil polyester (202), and 1.0 mil polyester (203). So far, I have seen this problem only with the acetate-based version (201), but it is worth checking the polyester versions (202 or 203) for this degradation modality. Obviously, the acetate version could not be baked and this was the impetus for searching for a reliable method of addressing 201. > Scotch/3M 206/207 shows this behaviour on a limited basis, based on poorly stored samples. This tape is starting to get a bit stiffer than when new and reports are coming in that wiping it will remove the edge shedding and allow a good transfer. This shedding, of course, can get lodged between the tape and head and increase high-frequency spacing loss. > EMI Tape (with black mag coat and a dull red back coat) from circa 1973-1974 > The difference between this modality and the back coating turning to powder and causing spacing loss is that the residue from this degradation, while much less in quantity and density of a classic SSS tape is still slightly sticky and not a loose powder. In other words, it needs to be cleaned off, not blown or vacuumed off. > > Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS) (generally responds to cold playing) > In advanced states, this condition results in a squeal, but does not have the huge amounts of gooey shedding of classic SSS or even the lighter edge-shedding. Cold playback works in many cases, but playing with a lubricating film of decamethylcyclopentasiloxane (also known as cyclomethicone and )D5 also works well. Marie O’Connell’s wet playback system also works well. > Melody 169 (a seconds brand of Scotch) > Scotch/3M 175 > Sony PR-150 > TDK 150H (Thanks John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY–he used the O’Connell Wet Playback method on these, so it is uncertain if cold playback would work.) > Some unknown bulk-loaded cassettes do respond to cold playback. A few do not but may be coaxed into playback via lubrication with D5 (see our ARSC Journal paper for more details). > Note that the concept of “Loss of Lubricant” is still widely discussed but, as of yet, in polyester-based tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems, we have yet to see any documentation that the lubricant is actually disappearing. We had some Sony PR-150 tested and it showed what appeared to be a normal lubricant load. > Pyral (type numbers unknown for this French tape-does not respond to baking may respond to cold playing) Note that as of 2011-12, Pyral has taken over the RGMI > > Agfa Tapes (updated 2012-02-26) > Agfa PEM-526 exhibited dry shedding. See our article here. This is a totally dry dusting of powder, so it may or may not be Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS), but we could class it as that as the particles are not being retained well. Although a similar condition has been reported with PEM-469, recent experience shows a different degradation modality for PEM-469. > Agfa PEM-468, PEM-469 There are mixed reviews on these tapes and we have been told that most of the bad tape was recalled and transferred at Agfa’s expense. This was supposedly affecting only a half-year’s worth of batches from pre-1990. Unike Ampex/Quantegy, baking is NOT recommended as a matter of course, based in part on our experience with the PEM-526 and this article, although the baking temperature may have been a bit too high (60 °C) in that instance. > The author of these pages encountered two very nasty reels of one-inch Agfa PEM 469 in 2012-02 (recorded in 1988-01) that shed a waxy clear-to-slightly-yellow exudate from the mag coat. This waxy coating did show some buildup, especially during fast wind, but not nearly as much as Ampex 456.We can’t call it SSS because one of the definitions of classic SSS is that it is resolved by baking. This apparently is made worse by baking…and I’m too chicken to try it. It should probably be considered yet another variant of Soft Binder Syndrome (or SBS). > Another point of interest is that some of the mag coat was also transferring slightly to the back coat which was then coming off on the capstan (which presses against the back coat side of the tape). This was a pressure transfer from the back coat to the capstan as the pinch roller (pressing on the mag coat side) was segmented and the segments clearly printed onto the capstan. No pressure, no mag-coat residue. This is an A-wind machine, a Sony APR-16. It is a reverse configuration from the Studers. > After consultation on the ARSC List and receiving replies from Marie O’Connell in New Zealand and Corey Bailey in Los Angeles, I decided to continue with the non-baking recommendation as there was just too much conversation on the Web and ARSCList against baking to make me feel comfortable. > The tape’s mag coat was run over a Pellon pad in library wind and then over a D5-soaked Pellon pad, also in library wind. D5 was generously applied to the heads and fixed guides immediately before the transfer. We applied about 2.5 ml (cc) of D5 to each tape. Note D5 is also known as decamethylcyclopentasiloxane, Siloxane D5, CAS # 541-02-6, and sometimes referred to as Cyclomethicone (generally in regards to the product as produced by Dow Corning). It is found in many personal care products and has recently been declared safe for the environment by the Canadian Ministry of the Environment. > The worse of the two tapes was stopped twice to re-clean the heads and reapply D5. It is not clear to me if the slight loss of brightness was due to reproduce or recording issues, as apparently some batches of this tape shed when originally manufactured. > This tape has been reported stable in parts of Europe, but Ms. O’Connell confirmed the clear-to-yellow waxy exudate and indicated that it was one of her least favourite tapes to transfer. She reported that it did respond to her isopropyl drip technique and Mr. Bailey suggested gentle baking (about 48 °C for 24 hours) which allowed him to have success with the tape. He also reports success with lubricants from The Last Factory here (second to last section). > > Vinegar Syndrome (Acetate Tapes) > This category is different from all of the above. The above refer to variants on polyester (PET/Mylar(tm)) basefilm tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems. These tapes are acetate-based tapes and here the rule is DO NOT BAKE! Most of these tapes are from the 1950s and 1960s, though some were made in the late 1940s, and acetate tape was made into the early 1970s. Any acetate tape can suffer from vinegar syndrome, and it is discussed in more detail in my ARSC paper with references to research conducted on acetate film. The listing here are for the worst players that I have come across or heard about. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 4 10:52:41 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 10:52:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] soldering iron upgrade Message-ID: I'm looking for a better heat controlled soldering iron. Considering Euro models Weller WS-81 or WS-51 can't really choose yet, so any recommendations are welcome. Wouter From icmllc at gmail.com Fri May 3 14:25:50 2013 From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin) Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 07:25:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Reel to reel/SSS Message-ID: This is excellent. Thank you for sharing this. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S™4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Kevin Fetner Date: 05/02/2013 11:10 PM (GMT-06:00) To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:Reel to reel/SSS Steve, This is for you and anyone else interested in degrading tape.  Kevin -Degrading Tapes Filed under: — 2009-01-30 by Richard L. Hess — Last Edit 2012-07-26 by Richard L. Hess Last updated 2012-02-26 This page supersedes the blog page for a listing of tapes that have degraded in some way or another. This page is a list of tapes that we will attempt to keep current. For detailed information see the author’s 2008 ARSC Journal article on tape degradation (click here). Remember that all of these degradation modes are triggered by a combination of one or more of the following: –original formulation –batch variations including incomplete reactions during manufacture –storage history over the tape’s life (temperature, humidity, pollution) [added 2012-02-26] One fascinating perspective is emerging from ongoing discussions on the Association of Recorded Sound Collections email list (ARSC List): different tape types in different parts of the world may behave differently. Again, this comes down to plant-to-plant variations at least and perhaps formula and/or raw material differences. A factor that may have caused the differing formulations could be different local environmental regulations for each plant, but that is mostly conjecture on this author’s part, although there were some studies from Alabama attempting to address the pollution from the Ampex/Quantegy plant in Opelika. [added 2012-02-26] The remainder of this update focuses on Agfa PEM 469, see notes below. Classic Sticky Shed (Sticky Shed Syndrome or SSS) (generally responds to incubation/baking) Caution: Playing a tape with advanced SSS can rip the mag coat off the base film and leave it attached to the backing. If in doubt, it is MUCH safer to bake a potential SSS tape than play it. This especially true as the SSS effects are often worse at the centre where the pressures are higher. The Ampex Tape Baking patent is available here. Ampex/Quantegy 406, 407, 456, 457 (1970s-1980s) Note: Reports indicate that these problems may exist in tapes made in the 1990s and later, even under the Quantegy name. EMTEC SM911 As of 2009-01, there are two confirmed reports that 2003-vintage Emtec SM911 is showing the first stages of SSS. A short bake seems to help it. We don’t yet know for how long before it reverts. I hope RMGI has fixed this! Later reports indicate that this may be shed only, without the stickiness AND that it was limited to one or two batches which were mostly replaced. As of this writing, it has been confirmed that batch number B0134007 was involved. This tape may be better placed with the Agfa, below, under non-sticky shed. Please do not assume that either the prior BASF tape nor the later RMGI tape of the same part number suffers similar issues. We do not know how extensive the EMTEC issues are. As of now it seems to be very limited. Audiotape/Capitol Q15 (early 1980s) Note: This tape may or may not respond to baking. Scotch/3M 226, 227, 806, 807, 808, 809, “Classic”, and “Master” are the primary SSS tapes Scotch/3M 250 has also exhibited some tendency towards SSS Scotch/3M 908, 966/986, 967, and 996 has as of 2009-01 been reported with some instances of SSS. Many other reports do not show this. Looking at the list of 3M tapes on the AES website (click here), and especially the binder types, can provide some help in understanding the progression of failure from SBS to SSS. Seeing the groups there can help predict the performance of a tape not listed above (or below under SBS) Sony ULH-72-370-BL (stock number X-2441-247-0) was reported by John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY. This tape responded to baking. Lighter edge-shedding (generally responds to wiping) This section was added 2011-03-05 but represents several years of experience with this variant on the SSS degradation. This type of degradation presents some evidence of classic SSS,  but the main difference is that it is not as far advanced and it seems to be much worse at the edges of the tape than in the middle. This may be an interaction between the binder/mag coat and the air. Tapes with this degradation modality can be played well after a wipe with Pellon. This procedure can be integrated into the rewind process for tapes which are tails-out. A strip of non-woven,  non-fusible interfacing fabric like Pellon-brand can be cut into approximately inch-wide strips on an office paper cutter (using several folds of material. That is then wrapped around a dowel or pencil and then held so the mag coat runs over the smooth surface. The “tail” follows the tape direction and the fabric is slowly unwound. Generally two or three inches (5–8 cm) is adequate for a 20-minute album side at 15 in/s. One wipe substantially reduces the risk of some of the edge degradation products lodging on the head and increasing spacing loss (which affects higher frequencies more). Scotch/3M 201 shows this behaviour. This is the first “low noise” tape from 3M and was available in 1.5 mil acetate (201), 1.5 mil polyester (202), and 1.0 mil polyester (203). So far, I have seen this problem only with the acetate-based version (201), but it is worth checking the polyester versions (202 or 203) for this degradation modality. Obviously, the acetate version could not be baked and this was the impetus for searching for a reliable method of addressing 201. Scotch/3M 206/207 shows this behaviour on a limited basis, based on poorly stored samples. This tape is starting to get a bit stiffer than when new and reports are coming in that wiping it will remove the edge shedding and allow a good transfer. This shedding, of course, can get lodged between the tape and head and increase high-frequency spacing loss. EMI Tape (with black mag coat and a dull red back coat) from circa 1973-1974 The difference between this modality and the back coating turning to powder and causing spacing loss is that the residue from this degradation, while much less in quantity and density of a classic SSS tape is still slightly sticky and not a loose powder. In other words, it needs to be cleaned off, not blown or vacuumed off. Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS) (generally responds to cold playing) In advanced states, this condition results in a squeal, but does not have the huge amounts of gooey shedding of classic SSS or even the lighter edge-shedding. Cold playback works in many cases, but playing with a lubricating film of decamethylcyclopentasiloxane (also known as cyclomethicone and )D5 also works well. Marie O’Connell’s wet playback system also works well. Melody 169 (a seconds brand of Scotch) Scotch/3M 175 Sony PR-150 TDK 150H (Thanks  John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY–he used the O’Connell Wet Playback method on these, so it is uncertain if cold playback would work.) Some unknown bulk-loaded cassettes do respond to cold playback. A few do not but may be coaxed into playback via lubrication with D5 (see our ARSC Journal paper for more details). Note that the concept of “Loss of Lubricant” is still widely discussed but, as of yet, in polyester-based tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems, we have yet to see any documentation that the lubricant is actually disappearing. We had some Sony PR-150 tested and it showed what appeared to be a normal lubricant load. Pyral (type numbers unknown for this French tape-does not respond to baking may respond to cold playing) Note that as of 2011-12, Pyral has taken over the RGMI Agfa Tapes (updated 2012-02-26) Agfa PEM-526 exhibited dry shedding. See our article here. This is a totally dry dusting of powder, so it may or may not be Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS), but we could class it as that as the particles are not being retained well. Although a similar condition has been reported with PEM-469, recent experience shows a different degradation modality for PEM-469. Agfa PEM-468, PEM-469 There are mixed reviews on these tapes and we have been told that most of the bad tape was recalled and transferred at Agfa’s expense. This was supposedly affecting only a half-year’s worth of batches from pre-1990. Unike Ampex/Quantegy, baking is NOT recommended as a matter of course, based in part on our experience with the PEM-526 and this article, although the baking temperature may have been a bit too high (60 °C) in that instance. The author of these pages encountered two very nasty reels of one-inch Agfa PEM 469 in 2012-02 (recorded in 1988-01) that shed a waxy clear-to-slightly-yellow exudate from the mag coat. This waxy coating did show some buildup, especially during fast wind, but not nearly as much as Ampex 456.We can’t call it SSS because one of the definitions of classic SSS is that it is resolved by baking. This apparently is made worse by baking…and I’m too chicken to try it. It should probably be considered yet another variant of Soft Binder Syndrome (or SBS). Another point of interest is that some of the mag coat was also transferring slightly to the back coat which was then coming off on the capstan (which presses against the back coat side of the tape). This was a pressure transfer from the back coat to the capstan as the pinch roller (pressing on the mag coat side) was segmented and the segments clearly printed onto the capstan. No pressure, no mag-coat residue. This is an A-wind machine, a Sony APR-16. It is a reverse configuration from the Studers. After consultation on the ARSC List and receiving replies from Marie O’Connell in New Zealand and Corey Bailey in Los Angeles, I decided to continue with the non-baking recommendation as there was just too much conversation on the Web and ARSCList against baking to make me feel comfortable. The tape’s mag coat was run over a Pellon pad in library wind and then over a D5-soaked Pellon pad, also in library wind.  D5 was generously applied to the heads and fixed guides immediately before the transfer. We applied about 2.5 ml (cc) of D5 to each tape. Note D5 is also known as decamethylcyclopentasiloxane, Siloxane D5, CAS # 541-02-6, and sometimes referred to as Cyclomethicone (generally in regards to the product as produced by Dow Corning). It is found in many personal care products and has recently been declared safe for the environment by the Canadian Ministry of the Environment. The worse of the two tapes was stopped twice to re-clean the heads and reapply D5. It is not clear to me if the slight loss of brightness was due to reproduce or recording issues, as apparently some batches of this tape shed when originally manufactured. This tape has been reported stable in parts of Europe, but Ms. O’Connell confirmed the clear-to-yellow waxy exudate and indicated that it was one of her least favourite tapes to transfer. She reported that it did respond to her isopropyl drip technique and Mr. Bailey suggested gentle baking (about 48 °C for 24 hours) which allowed him to have success with the tape.  He also reports success with lubricants from The Last Factory here (second to last section). Vinegar Syndrome (Acetate Tapes) This category is different from all of the above. The above refer to variants on polyester (PET/Mylar(tm)) basefilm tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems. These tapes are acetate-based tapes and here the rule is DO NOT BAKE! Most of these tapes are from the 1950s and 1960s, though some were made in the late 1940s, and acetate tape was made into the early 1970s. Any acetate tape can suffer from vinegar syndrome, and it is discussed in more detail in my ARSC paper with references to research conducted on acetate film. The listing here are for the worst players that I have come across or heard about. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 4 11:41:14 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 19:41:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] soldering iron upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Hakko 903 with their soldering iron and the 8 series SMT rework station. Had a brand loyalty with Hakko since young when I used their 25 watt soldering iron. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 04/05/2013, at 6:52 PM, "Wouter Heijke" wrote: > > I'm looking for a better heat controlled soldering iron. > Considering Euro models Weller WS-81 or WS-51 can't really choose yet, so > any recommendations are welcome. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat May 4 11:46:52 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 11:46:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] soldering iron upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BA53A04-90F2-4A4D-B487-2CA1124F1B61@peromarta.org> I don't know these models you suggest, but would very much recommend one that has a desoldering station too. Mine is a dual solder / desolder OKI station, and it works fantastic. Weller are one of the best too. Best. LP El 04/05/2013, a las 10:52, "Wouter Heijke" escribió: > > I'm looking for a better heat controlled soldering iron. > Considering Euro models Weller WS-81 or WS-51 can't really choose yet, so > any recommendations are welcome. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat May 4 17:23:26 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 08:23:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] soldering iron upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After a lifetime soldering with Weller and Hakko I recently stepped up to a JBC CD-1BB. Pricey but what an incredible difference. Heat at the tip in an instant -- it hibernates completely off but comes up to 700 degrees F by the time you get the tip to your work. Much less chance of lifting traces since the whole process is so fast. I'm a believer now. For all the money spent on other pieces on your bench spend the money on the one thing you use the most! Willy On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > I'm looking for a better heat controlled soldering iron. > Considering Euro models Weller WS-81 or WS-51 can't really choose yet, so > any recommendations are welcome. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat May 4 16:41:06 2013 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 16:41:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] soldering iron upgrade In-Reply-To: <4BA53A04-90F2-4A4D-B487-2CA1124F1B61@peromarta.org> References: <4BA53A04-90F2-4A4D-B487-2CA1124F1B61@peromarta.org> Message-ID: The best soldering iron I have ever used is a Solomon SR something (959?), ceramic soldering iron. They last beautifully though are hard to find, but I think they are actually made my Hakko. eBay has a seller based in Shaftesbury, Dorset, which you can find by searching for "ceramic soldering iron". I think they are called Just Computers (though obviously they do other things) and these are the same. There is also a place in the States that actually does Solomons. Should be about £40. On 4 May 2013 11:46, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > I don't know these models you suggest, but would very much recommend one > that has a desoldering station too. > > Mine is a dual solder / desolder OKI station, and it works fantastic. > Weller are one of the best too. > > Best. LP > > > El 04/05/2013, a las 10:52, "Wouter Heijke" escribió: > > > > > I'm looking for a better heat controlled soldering iron. > > Considering Euro models Weller WS-81 or WS-51 can't really choose yet, so > > any recommendations are welcome. > > > > Wouter > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drucyphr at gmail.com Sat May 4 18:03:38 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 11:03:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] soldering iron upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've always used Weller WES50 and recently upgraded to the WES51. Plenty of satisfied reviews on those irons and I have heard good things about the similar Hakko FX-888. The one thing I wanted to recommend regardless of what iron you decide on is the Hakko Tip Cleaner with brass coils. Works great to extend the life of your irons tips and cost ~$10. If you need an affordable desoldering iron RadioShack sells a hand pump style unit that works fine for most jobs and only costs $15. Amazon sells a similar unit for $25. Cheers! -Andrew On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > After a lifetime soldering with Weller and Hakko I recently stepped up to > a JBC CD-1BB. Pricey but what an incredible difference. Heat at the tip > in an instant -- it hibernates completely off but comes up to 700 degrees F > by the time you get the tip to your work. Much less chance of lifting > traces since the whole process is so fast. I'm a believer now. For all > the money spent on other pieces on your bench spend the money on the one > thing you use the most! > Willy > > > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > >> >> I'm looking for a better heat controlled soldering iron. >> Considering Euro models Weller WS-81 or WS-51 can't really choose yet, so >> any recommendations are welcome. >> >> Wouter >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat May 4 18:33:31 2013 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:33:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Reel to reel/SSS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Kevin, for taking the time to find and share this valuable body of information on the SSS phenomenon. Best regards, Steve Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 07:25:50 -0500 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Reel to reel/SSS From: icmllc at gmail.com To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com CC: This is excellent.Thank you for sharing this. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S™4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Kevin Fetner Date: 05/02/2013 11:10 PM (GMT-06:00) To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:Reel to reel/SSS Steve,This is for you and anyone else interested in degrading tape. Kevin-Degrading Tapes Filed under: — 2009-01-30 by Richard L. Hess — Last Edit 2012-07-26 by Richard L. Hess Last updated 2012-02-26 This page supersedes the blog page for a listing of tapes that have degraded in some way or another. This page is a list of tapes that we will attempt to keep current. For detailed information see the author’s 2008 ARSC Journal article on tape degradation (click here). Remember that all of these degradation modes are triggered by a combination of one or more of the following: –original formulation –batch variations including incomplete reactions during manufacture –storage history over the tape’s life (temperature, humidity, pollution) [added 2012-02-26] One fascinating perspective is emerging from ongoing discussions on the Association of Recorded Sound Collections email list (ARSC List): different tape types in different parts of the world may behave differently. Again, this comes down to plant-to-plant variations at least and perhaps formula and/or raw material differences. A factor that may have caused the differing formulations could be different local environmental regulations for each plant, but that is mostly conjecture on this author’s part, although there were some studies from Alabama attempting to address the pollution from the Ampex/Quantegy plant in Opelika. [added 2012-02-26] The remainder of this update focuses on Agfa PEM 469, see notes below. Classic Sticky Shed (Sticky Shed Syndrome or SSS) (generally responds to incubation/baking) Caution: Playing a tape with advanced SSS can rip the mag coat off the base film and leave it attached to the backing. If in doubt, it is MUCH safer to bake a potential SSS tape than play it. This especially true as the SSS effects are often worse at the centre where the pressures are higher. The Ampex Tape Baking patent is available here. Ampex/Quantegy 406, 407, 456, 457 (1970s-1980s) Note: Reports indicate that these problems may exist in tapes made in the 1990s and later, even under the Quantegy name. EMTEC SM911 As of 2009-01, there are two confirmed reports that 2003-vintage Emtec SM911 is showing the first stages of SSS. A short bake seems to help it. We don’t yet know for how long before it reverts. I hope RMGI has fixed this! Later reports indicate that this may be shed only, without the stickiness AND that it was limited to one or two batches which were mostly replaced. As of this writing, it has been confirmed that batch number B0134007 was involved. This tape may be better placed with the Agfa, below, under non-sticky shed. Please do not assume that either the prior BASF tape nor the later RMGI tape of the same part number suffers similar issues. We do not know how extensive the EMTEC issues are. As of now it seems to be very limited. Audiotape/Capitol Q15 (early 1980s) Note: This tape may or may not respond to baking. Scotch/3M 226, 227, 806, 807, 808, 809, “Classic”, and “Master” are the primary SSS tapes Scotch/3M 250 has also exhibited some tendency towards SSS Scotch/3M 908, 966/986, 967, and 996 has as of 2009-01 been reported with some instances of SSS. Many other reports do not show this. Looking at the list of 3M tapes on the AES website (click here), and especially the binder types, can provide some help in understanding the progression of failure from SBS to SSS. Seeing the groups there can help predict the performance of a tape not listed above (or below under SBS) Sony ULH-72-370-BL (stock number X-2441-247-0) was reported by John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY. This tape responded to baking. Lighter edge-shedding (generally responds to wiping) This section was added 2011-03-05 but represents several years of experience with this variant on the SSS degradation. This type of degradation presents some evidence of classic SSS, but the main difference is that it is not as far advanced and it seems to be much worse at the edges of the tape than in the middle. This may be an interaction between the binder/mag coat and the air. Tapes with this degradation modality can be played well after a wipe with Pellon. This procedure can be integrated into the rewind process for tapes which are tails-out. A strip of non-woven, non-fusible interfacing fabric like Pellon-brand can be cut into approximately inch-wide strips on an office paper cutter (using several folds of material. That is then wrapped around a dowel or pencil and then held so the mag coat runs over the smooth surface. The “tail” follows the tape direction and the fabric is slowly unwound. Generally two or three inches (5–8 cm) is adequate for a 20-minute album side at 15 in/s. One wipe substantially reduces the risk of some of the edge degradation products lodging on the head and increasing spacing loss (which affects higher frequencies more). Scotch/3M 201 shows this behaviour. This is the first “low noise” tape from 3M and was available in 1.5 mil acetate (201), 1.5 mil polyester (202), and 1.0 mil polyester (203). So far, I have seen this problem only with the acetate-based version (201), but it is worth checking the polyester versions (202 or 203) for this degradation modality. Obviously, the acetate version could not be baked and this was the impetus for searching for a reliable method of addressing 201. Scotch/3M 206/207 shows this behaviour on a limited basis, based on poorly stored samples. This tape is starting to get a bit stiffer than when new and reports are coming in that wiping it will remove the edge shedding and allow a good transfer. This shedding, of course, can get lodged between the tape and head and increase high-frequency spacing loss. EMI Tape (with black mag coat and a dull red back coat) from circa 1973-1974 The difference between this modality and the back coating turning to powder and causing spacing loss is that the residue from this degradation, while much less in quantity and density of a classic SSS tape is still slightly sticky and not a loose powder. In other words, it needs to be cleaned off, not blown or vacuumed off. Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS) (generally responds to cold playing) In advanced states, this condition results in a squeal, but does not have the huge amounts of gooey shedding of classic SSS or even the lighter edge-shedding. Cold playback works in many cases, but playing with a lubricating film of decamethylcyclopentasiloxane (also known as cyclomethicone and )D5 also works well. Marie O’Connell’s wet playback system also works well. Melody 169 (a seconds brand of Scotch) Scotch/3M 175 Sony PR-150 TDK 150H (Thanks John Schroth at Media Transfer Service in Rochester, NY–he used the O’Connell Wet Playback method on these, so it is uncertain if cold playback would work.) Some unknown bulk-loaded cassettes do respond to cold playback. A few do not but may be coaxed into playback via lubrication with D5 (see our ARSC Journal paper for more details). Note that the concept of “Loss of Lubricant” is still widely discussed but, as of yet, in polyester-based tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems, we have yet to see any documentation that the lubricant is actually disappearing. We had some Sony PR-150 tested and it showed what appeared to be a normal lubricant load. Pyral (type numbers unknown for this French tape-does not respond to baking may respond to cold playing) Note that as of 2011-12, Pyral has taken over the RGMI Agfa Tapes (updated 2012-02-26) Agfa PEM-526 exhibited dry shedding. See our article here. This is a totally dry dusting of powder, so it may or may not be Soft Binder Syndrome (SBS), but we could class it as that as the particles are not being retained well. Although a similar condition has been reported with PEM-469, recent experience shows a different degradation modality for PEM-469. Agfa PEM-468, PEM-469 There are mixed reviews on these tapes and we have been told that most of the bad tape was recalled and transferred at Agfa’s expense. This was supposedly affecting only a half-year’s worth of batches from pre-1990. Unike Ampex/Quantegy, baking is NOT recommended as a matter of course, based in part on our experience with the PEM-526 and this article, although the baking temperature may have been a bit too high (60 °C) in that instance. The author of these pages encountered two very nasty reels of one-inch Agfa PEM 469 in 2012-02 (recorded in 1988-01) that shed a waxy clear-to-slightly-yellow exudate from the mag coat. This waxy coating did show some buildup, especially during fast wind, but not nearly as much as Ampex 456.We can’t call it SSS because one of the definitions of classic SSS is that it is resolved by baking. This apparently is made worse by baking…and I’m too chicken to try it. It should probably be considered yet another variant of Soft Binder Syndrome (or SBS). Another point of interest is that some of the mag coat was also transferring slightly to the back coat which was then coming off on the capstan (which presses against the back coat side of the tape). This was a pressure transfer from the back coat to the capstan as the pinch roller (pressing on the mag coat side) was segmented and the segments clearly printed onto the capstan. No pressure, no mag-coat residue. This is an A-wind machine, a Sony APR-16. It is a reverse configuration from the Studers. After consultation on the ARSC List and receiving replies from Marie O’Connell in New Zealand and Corey Bailey in Los Angeles, I decided to continue with the non-baking recommendation as there was just too much conversation on the Web and ARSCList against baking to make me feel comfortable. The tape’s mag coat was run over a Pellon pad in library wind and then over a D5-soaked Pellon pad, also in library wind. D5 was generously applied to the heads and fixed guides immediately before the transfer. We applied about 2.5 ml (cc) of D5 to each tape. Note D5 is also known as decamethylcyclopentasiloxane, Siloxane D5, CAS # 541-02-6, and sometimes referred to as Cyclomethicone (generally in regards to the product as produced by Dow Corning). It is found in many personal care products and has recently been declared safe for the environment by the Canadian Ministry of the Environment. The worse of the two tapes was stopped twice to re-clean the heads and reapply D5. It is not clear to me if the slight loss of brightness was due to reproduce or recording issues, as apparently some batches of this tape shed when originally manufactured. This tape has been reported stable in parts of Europe, but Ms. O’Connell confirmed the clear-to-yellow waxy exudate and indicated that it was one of her least favourite tapes to transfer. She reported that it did respond to her isopropyl drip technique and Mr. Bailey suggested gentle baking (about 48 °C for 24 hours) which allowed him to have success with the tape. He also reports success with lubricants from The Last Factory here (second to last section). Vinegar Syndrome (Acetate Tapes) This category is different from all of the above. The above refer to variants on polyester (PET/Mylar(tm)) basefilm tapes with polyester-polyurethane binder systems. These tapes are acetate-based tapes and here the rule is DO NOT BAKE! Most of these tapes are from the 1950s and 1960s, though some were made in the late 1940s, and acetate tape was made into the early 1970s. Any acetate tape can suffer from vinegar syndrome, and it is discussed in more detail in my ARSC paper with references to research conducted on acetate film. The listing here are for the worst players that I have come across or heard about. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Sat May 4 19:00:58 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 19:00:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] soldering iron upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Wouter, I am using the weller wd2m in combination with wmrp for small and ws80 for larger objects. Verry happy with it. Never soldered so smooth and easy. 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From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon May 6 17:41:02 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 08:41:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Yes - that's a known problem. You need to replace the spooling motor. The armature has developed bad spots. Willy On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Friends, > > my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for > no particular reason. > > Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. > > I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cmwhich is as per the SM. > > All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on > the driver. > > It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very > consistent. > > It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. > > Is this a known problem ? > > With best regards, LP. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon May 6 18:04:04 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:04:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Any alternatives ? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 06/05/2013, a las 17:41, Willy Hermann escribió: > Yes - that's a known problem. You need to replace the spooling motor. The armature has developed bad spots. > Willy > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >> Friends, >> >> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >> >> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >> >> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >> >> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >> >> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >> >> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >> >> Is this a known problem ? >> >> With best regards, LP. >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Mon May 6 18:15:03 2013 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:15:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Luis yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. Christian On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Friends, > > my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for > no particular reason. > > Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. > > I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cmwhich is as per the SM. > > All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on > the driver. > > It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very > consistent. > > It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. > > Is this a known problem ? > > With best regards, LP. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon May 6 19:25:58 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 10:25:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> Message-ID: I've had some luck in rebuilding the motors but it's a pain. Very small brushes and armature which have to be cleaned and repositioned. Willy On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Any alternatives ? > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 06/05/2013, a las 17:41, Willy Hermann > escribió: > > Yes - that's a known problem. You need to replace the spooling motor. > The armature has developed bad spots. > Willy > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > >> Friends, >> >> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool >> for no particular reason. >> >> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >> >> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cmwhich is as per the SM. >> >> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on >> the driver. >> >> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very >> consistent. >> >> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >> >> Is this a known problem ? >> >> With best regards, LP. >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Mon May 6 19:23:45 2013 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:23:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Yes, Luis, I just gave you some. The other thing you can do is spray cleaner/light oil into the motor and onto the phosphor bronze bronze bushes which will absorb the oil. It does work, promise! CT On 6 May 2013 18:04, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Any alternatives ? > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 06/05/2013, a las 17:41, Willy Hermann > escribió: > > Yes - that's a known problem. You need to replace the spooling motor. > The armature has developed bad spots. > Willy > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > >> Friends, >> >> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool >> for no particular reason. >> >> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >> >> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cmwhich is as per the SM. >> >> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on >> the driver. >> >> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very >> consistent. >> >> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >> >> Is this a known problem ? >> >> With best regards, LP. >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon May 6 19:53:27 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:53:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> Message-ID: That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: > Luis > > yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. > > Christian > > > On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >> Friends, >> >> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >> >> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >> >> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >> >> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >> >> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >> >> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >> >> Is this a known problem ? >> >> With best regards, LP. >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Tue May 7 01:45:22 2013 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 01:45:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Hi Luis I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. C On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: > That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas > escribió: > > Luis > > yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it > happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and > getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five > hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, > but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if > you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. > > Christian > > > On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > >> Friends, >> >> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool >> for no particular reason. >> >> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >> >> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cmwhich is as per the SM. >> >> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on >> the driver. >> >> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very >> consistent. >> >> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >> >> Is this a known problem ? >> >> With best regards, LP. >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue May 7 14:19:43 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 08:19:43 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] 480 Record Linkage References: Message-ID: <7CFAC541-08C2-4912-9DE1-5F6AE71C7FBD@comcast.net> >> Bernard, that is the cable that switches the Dolby and other circuits from play to record. If is the way Nak switched all the 2 head decks with standard transports. The brass barrel you can see in the pic is supposed to be captured with a "U" shaped keeper held by one screw, which is attached to the long switch you see directly above your arrow. There is not supposed to be any 90 degree bend. On your deck, I can clearly see the common issue of the switch mounting piece, which is nylon, has broken off. I have repaired that by judicious use of a soldering iron to melt the two back together. It looks ugly but holds. Normally the cause is the switch has gotten too stiff to operate over the years. If you can't easily move the switch back with your if get it needs to be cleaned and lubed with contact cleaner. I can get you pic of one or send you the assembly from a parts LX-3 if I have one once we verify they are the same which I do think they are. I am not at home for a week or so and will have to check my parts drawers. You have nothing to lose trying to melt it. I will try to find a pic and send it to you. >> >> From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue May 7 22:49:11 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 06:49:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> Message-ID: This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. What kind of lube would you recommend here ? Bala Sent from my iPhone On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: > Hi Luis > > I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? > > But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. > > C > > > On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >> >> >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> >> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >> >>> Luis >>> >>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>> Friends, >>>> >>>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>> >>>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>> >>>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>> >>>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>> >>>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>> >>>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>> >>>> Is this a known problem ? >>>> >>>> With best regards, LP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Tue May 7 16:17:55 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 16:17:55 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] 480 Record Linkage In-Reply-To: <7CFAC541-08C2-4912-9DE1-5F6AE71C7FBD@comcast.net> References: <7CFAC541-08C2-4912-9DE1-5F6AE71C7FBD@comcast.net> Message-ID: <51890D13.7000605@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Perry, I realized the clamp on mine was broken and I have fixed it with one of my own made in aluminium... Actually, the thing I was asking about is that circled in red on the picture here attached as a PDF. Cheers bernard Le 07/05/2013 14:19, Perry Esposito a écrit : >>> Bernard, that is the cable that switches the Dolby and other circuits from play to record. If is the way Nak switched all the 2 head decks with standard transports. The brass barrel you can see in the pic is supposed to be captured with a "U" shaped keeper held by one screw, which is attached to the long switch you see directly above your arrow. There is not supposed to be any 90 degree bend. On your deck, I can clearly see the common issue of the switch mounting piece, which is nylon, has broken off. I have repaired that by judicious use of a soldering iron to melt the two back together. It looks ugly but holds. Normally the cause is the switch has gotten too stiff to operate over the years. If you can't easily move the switch back with your if get it needs to be cleaned and lubed with contact cleaner. I can get you pic of one or send you the assembly from a parts LX-3 if I have one once we verify they are the same which I do think they are. I am not at home for a week o! > r so and will have to check my parts drawers. You have nothing to lose trying to melt it. I will try to find a pic and send it to you. >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I found it useful to add a drop of loctite or thread-locking fluid with the small screw and washer to further strengthen the connection. Works like a charm. For those of you who understand German or are otherwise interested, here is a nak repair related thread in a great german board of vintage lovers. Kicks off with a great little fix for the eject mechanism linkage that I thought of: http://old-fidelity.de/thread-2373.html And here's the direkt link to lever and switch reanimation: http://old-fidelity.de/thread-2373-post-273941.html#pid273941 C'mon, rescue your great 480 ! Best, spocintosh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 480broken.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 64529 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good solution. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Bala Ganesh >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping > > > >This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position.  > > >What kind of lube would you recommend here ? > > >Bala  > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: > > >Hi Luis >> >> >>I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months.  There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb.  Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post?   >> >> >>But you don't need to rebuild the motor.  The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all!  The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >> >> >>C >> >> >> >>On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >>That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>> >>> >>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>> >>>El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>> >>> >>>Luis >>>> >>>> >>>>yes it is known.  I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up.  Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route.  See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>> >>>> >>>>Christian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>> >>>>Friends, >>>>> >>>>>my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>> >>>>>Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>> >>>>>I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>> >>>>>All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>> >>>>>It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>> >>>>>It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>> >>>>>Is this a known problem ? >>>>> >>>>>With best regards, LP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 9 07:17:52 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 07:17:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you know of any good substitute? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 08/05/2013, a las 23:56, Ron escribió: > > Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no > grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What > usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW > operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, > rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good > solution. > > -- Ron > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping > > This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. > > What kind of lube would you recommend here ? > > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: > >> Hi Luis >> >> I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? >> >> But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >> >> C >> >> >> On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >> >> >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> >> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >> >>> Luis >>> >>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>> Friends, >>> >>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>> >>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>> >>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>> >>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>> >>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>> >>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>> >>> Is this a known problem ? >>> >>> With best regards, LP. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu May 9 10:36:13 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 18:36:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution. I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since. Cheers Bala Sent from my iPhone On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: > > Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no > grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What > usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW > operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, > rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good > solution. > > -- Ron > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping > > This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. > > What kind of lube would you recommend here ? > > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: > >> Hi Luis >> >> I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? >> >> But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >> >> C >> >> >> On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >> >> >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> >> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >> >>> Luis >>> >>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>> Friends, >>> >>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>> >>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>> >>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>> >>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>> >>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>> >>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>> >>> Is this a known problem ? >>> >>> With best regards, LP. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 9 11:16:51 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:16:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: > I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution. > > I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since. > > Cheers > Bala > Sent from my iPhone > > On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >> grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >> usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >> operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >> rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >> solution. >> >> -- Ron >> >> From: Bala Ganesh >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >> >> This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. >> >> What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >> >> Bala >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >> >>> Hi Luis >>> >>> I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? >>> >>> But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>> >>> C >>> >>> >>> On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>> >>> >>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>> >>> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>> >>>> Luis >>>> >>>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>> >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>> Friends, >>>> >>>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>> >>>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>> >>>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>> >>>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>> >>>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>> >>>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>> >>>> Is this a known problem ? >>>> >>>> With best regards, LP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu May 9 12:43:24 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 20:43:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: > >> I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution. >> >> I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since. >> >> Cheers >> Bala >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>> grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>> usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>> operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>> rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>> solution. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> From: Bala Ganesh >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>> >>> This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. >>> >>> What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Luis >>>> >>>> I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? >>>> >>>> But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>> >>>> C >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>> >>>> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>> >>>>> Luis >>>>> >>>>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>> Friends, >>>>> >>>>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>> >>>>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>> >>>>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>> >>>>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>> >>>>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>> >>>>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>> >>>>> Is this a known problem ? >>>>> >>>>> With best regards, LP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed May 8 14:16:59 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 08:16:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 linkage Message-ID: Sorry Bernard, I did not catch that with the first photo. I have no idea what that cable is. Is it attached to that bolt and nut in the pic? Does it go through the loop of the cable or is that an illusion in the picture? It almost looks like it was added and is some kind of ground wire. That explains why I couldn't understand how you didn't know how the record wire worked, which I was sure you did! My bad! I've not worked on or opened any 480 series decks so maybe someone that has? Could it be someone's attempt to start to fix the record cable that didn't understand how it works? Sent from my iPhone From z_karapandzic at yahoo.com Thu May 9 08:07:30 2013 From: z_karapandzic at yahoo.com (Zoran Karapandzic) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 23:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1368079650.80755.YahooMailNeo@web160306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Besides buying a new one, You can use a donor - any deck with similar Sankyo mechanism (single or double capstan) will work. Of course, expensive decks are out of range for this kind of repair, but BX1/2/100/CR1 etc. and some made by other manufacturers may be appropriate if You find them at a fair price(Kenwood KX1100/9010 or Teac V5000).   Regards, Zoran ________________________________ From: Luis Peromarta To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping Do you know of any good substitute? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 08/05/2013, a las 23:56, Ron escribió: > >Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no > >grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What > >usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW > >operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good > >solution. > > > >-- Ron > > > >>________________________________ >>From: Bala Ganesh >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >> >> >> >>This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position.  >> >> >>What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >> >> >>Bala  >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >> >> >>Hi Luis >>> >>> >>>I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months.  There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb.  Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post?   >>> >>> >>>But you don't need to rebuild the motor.  The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all!  The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>> >>> >>>C >>> >>> >>> >>>On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> >>>That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>> >>>> >>>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>> >>>>El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>> >>>> >>>>Luis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>yes it is known.  I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up.  Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route.  See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Christian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Friends, >>>>>> >>>>>>my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>> >>>>>>I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>> >>>>>>All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>> >>>>>>It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>> >>>>>>It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>> >>>>>>Is this a known problem ? >>>>>> >>>>>>With best regards, LP. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 9 13:37:28 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 13:37:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5766DA1E-AC88-4326-98CA-9575BD264486@peromarta.org> That would be fantastic! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 09/05/2013, a las 12:43, Bala Ganesh escribió: > I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? >> >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> >> El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: >> >>> I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution. >>> >>> I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Bala >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>>> grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>>> usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>>> operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>>> rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>>> solution. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>>> >>>> This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. >>>> >>>> What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>>> >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Luis >>>>> >>>>> I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? >>>>> >>>>> But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>>> >>>>> C >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>> >>>>> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>> >>>>>> Luis >>>>>> >>>>>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Christian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>> Friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>> >>>>>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>> >>>>>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>> >>>>>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this a known problem ? >>>>>> >>>>>> With best regards, LP. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spok2000 at gmx.de Thu May 9 13:47:12 2013 From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 13:47:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <201305091025.r49A7gmX020963@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305091025.r49A7gmX020963@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7B772683-7A0F-49EB-B1B7-DFBB7FCB918F@gmx.de> Dear Bernard, LX-3 linkage unfortunately is totally different - I have both decks right here. I have managed to fix the plastic lever successfully several times before, I will try to attach two pics (DIDN'T WORK - NO IDEA WHY) First meticulously clean the remains from oil and grease, then just drain the damn thing all over in multi part adhesive, fix the parts together and let it dry completely. Carefully drill a new and matching (!!), i.e. large enough hole so the screw does not break the fixed parts apart again. I found it useful to add a drop of loctite or thread-locking fluid with the small screw and washer to further strengthen the connection. Works like a charm. For those of you who understand German or are otherwise interested, here is a nak repair related thread in a great german board of vintage lovers. Kicks off with a great little fix for the eject mechanism linkage that I thought of: http://old-fidelity.de/thread-2373.html And here's the direkt link to lever and switch reanimation: http://old-fidelity.de/thread-2373-post-273941.html#pid273941 C'mon, rescue your great 480 ! Best, spocintosh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2278 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu May 9 16:54:01 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 07:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1368111241.72472.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In the past, I was not able to find good replacements on the open market. Previous posts suggested spare motors were available from other deck manufacturers. Willy may wish to respond with more information. Some years ago I bought a large number of a slightly smaller Mabuchi motor that can be fitted (required reworking the bracket). It works well and, being new, should last a long time (never got a complaint about the few I installed). However, FF and REW are slightly slower than the original (no complaints on that, either). Since then, I have not been looking for replacement reel motors and am not sure what's currently available. Note: you can cannibalize a reel motor from just about any deck that uses a Sankyo transport (may require slight reworking, and keep the original bracket). Such parts decks used to be widely available for low cost on ebay and such. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Luis Peromarta >To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:17 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping > > > >Do you know of any good substitute? > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >El 08/05/2013, a las 23:56, Ron escribió: > > > >> >>Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >> >>grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >> >>usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >> >>operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >> >>solution. >> >> >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>> >>> >>> >>>This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position.  >>> >>> >>>What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>> >>> >>>Bala  >>> >>>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>> >>> >>>Hi Luis >>>> >>>> >>>>I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months.  There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb.  Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post?   >>>> >>>> >>>>But you don't need to rebuild the motor.  The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all!  The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>> >>>> >>>>C >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> >>>>That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>> >>>>>El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Luis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>yes it is known.  I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up.  Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route.  See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Christian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Is this a known problem ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>With best regards, LP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Thu May 9 13:46:12 2013 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 13:46:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Going back to the question of the grease, I can assure you all that I have done this on a BX-300 and there is some quite thick grease in there that does stiffen the motor up. After thinning this down and spraying in first WD40 and then a light oil, and giving it a good few hours of running on FF and Rew, it was absolutely fine. One thing that might determine whether it is wear or this sort of ageing is how frequently it was used up until then. Basically if it was used a couple of times a week then it should keep going, but if it gets left for months at a time, then it is likely to be the motor struggling in the way I suggest. In other words, everything in the motor is absolutely fine, but the friction has just gone up too high for it to manage very much load. Also, if I'm right, one symptom is that tape will collect by the roller and then the machine will stop on the switch that detects there isn't enough tension. Christian On 9 May 2013 12:43, Bala Ganesh wrote: > I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email > to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the > problem. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: > > I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The > copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a > motor is not going to be good solution. > > I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc > transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a > bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since. > > Cheers > Bala > Sent from my iPhone > > On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: > > > Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is > no > grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What > usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW > operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, > rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the > good > solution. > > -- Ron > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bala Ganesh > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping > > This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't > repetitively stopping at the same position. > > What kind of lube would you recommend here ? > > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas > wrote: > > Hi Luis > > I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as > a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't > know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of > my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can > find my post? > > But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and > lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is > probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due > to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have > worked a bit harder than it should. > > C > > > On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas > escribió: > > Luis > > yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it > happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and > getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five > hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, > but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if > you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. > > Christian > > > On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > > Friends, > > my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for > no particular reason. > > Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. > > I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cmwhich is as per the SM. > > All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on > the driver. > > It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very > consistent. > > It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. > > Is this a known problem ? > > With best regards, LP. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is also a partially written article of removing and cleaning up the motor if anyone is interested. This is a first draft, so if anyone is keen, this can be reformatted, completed and uploaded to the wiki.  Cheers,  Bala   ________________________________ From: Luis Peromarta To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping That would be fantastic! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 09/05/2013, a las 12:43, Bala Ganesh escribió: I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem.  > >Best Regards,  >Bala Ganesh > >On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > >Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? >> >>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> >>El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: >> >> >>I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution.  >>> >>> >>>I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since.  >>> >>> >>>Cheers  >>>Bala  >>>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>>> >>>>grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>>> >>>>usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>>> >>>>operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>>>rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>>> >>>>solution. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position.  >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Bala  >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hi Luis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months.  There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb.  Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post?   >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>But you don't need to rebuild the motor.  The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all!  The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>C >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Luis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>yes it is known.  I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up.  Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route.  See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Christian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Friends, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Is this a known problem ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>With best regards, LP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bernard Le 08/05/2013 14:16, Perry Esposito a écrit : > Sorry Bernard, I did not catch that with the first photo. I have no idea what that cable is. Is it attached to that bolt and nut in the pic? Does it go through the loop of the cable or is that an illusion in the picture? It almost looks like it was added and is some kind of ground wire. That explains why I couldn't understand how you didn't know how the record wire worked, which I was sure you did! My bad! I've not worked on or opened any 480 series decks so maybe someone that has? Could it be someone's attempt to start to fix the record cable that didn't understand how it works? > > Sent from my iPhone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Fri May 10 10:32:44 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:32:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <7B772683-7A0F-49EB-B1B7-DFBB7FCB918F@gmx.de> References: <201305091025.r49A7gmX020963@zxe.naks.com> <7B772683-7A0F-49EB-B1B7-DFBB7FCB918F@gmx.de> Message-ID: <518CB0AC.4040903@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi, Well, I cannot understand German but the pictures are good. I like the fix for the eject linkage. Regards Bernard Le 09/05/2013 13:47, spok2000 at gmx.de a écrit : > Dear Bernard, > > LX-3 linkage unfortunately is totally different - I have both decks right here. > I have managed to fix the plastic lever successfully several times before, I will try to attach two pics (DIDN'T WORK - NO IDEA WHY) > First meticulously clean the remains from oil and grease, then just drain the damn thing all over in multi part adhesive, fix the parts together and let it dry completely. > Carefully drill a new and matching (!!), i.e. large enough hole so the screw does not break the fixed parts apart again. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 10 10:48:37 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:48:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64062DE7-98F0-44D5-B622-CE8723AAFC09@yahoo.com> Did the photos come across ? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 09/05/2013, at 9:46 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: > Going back to the question of the grease, I can assure you all that I have done this on a BX-300 and there is some quite thick grease in there that does stiffen the motor up. After thinning this down and spraying in first WD40 and then a light oil, and giving it a good few hours of running on FF and Rew, it was absolutely fine. > > One thing that might determine whether it is wear or this sort of ageing is how frequently it was used up until then. Basically if it was used a couple of times a week then it should keep going, but if it gets left for months at a time, then it is likely to be the motor struggling in the way I suggest. In other words, everything in the motor is absolutely fine, but the friction has just gone up too high for it to manage very much load. Also, if I'm right, one symptom is that tape will collect by the roller and then the machine will stop on the switch that detects there isn't enough tension. > > Christian > > > On 9 May 2013 12:43, Bala Ganesh wrote: >> I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem. >> >> Best Regards, >> Bala Ganesh >> >> On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >>> Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? >>> >>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>> >>> El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: >>> >>>> I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution. >>>> >>>> I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Bala >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>>>> grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>>>> usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>>>> operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>>>> rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>>>> solution. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>>>> >>>>> This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. >>>>> >>>>> What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>>>> >>>>> Bala >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Luis >>>>>> >>>>>> I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? >>>>>> >>>>>> But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>>>> >>>>>> C >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>>> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>>> >>>>>> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Luis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>>> Friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this a known problem ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With best regards, LP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri May 10 14:12:16 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:12:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <64062DE7-98F0-44D5-B622-CE8723AAFC09@yahoo.com> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> <64062DE7-98F0-44D5-B622-CE8723AAFC09@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <349E722B-A02E-4FE2-B93E-1CB7E34CFCA7@peromarta.org> Thanks Bala. Yes we got them. They are pictures from a cam motor. Is it the same as the reel motor ? My reel motor is bad. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 10/05/2013, a las 10:48, Bala Ganesh escribió: > Did the photos come across ? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 09/05/2013, at 9:46 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: > >> Going back to the question of the grease, I can assure you all that I have done this on a BX-300 and there is some quite thick grease in there that does stiffen the motor up. After thinning this down and spraying in first WD40 and then a light oil, and giving it a good few hours of running on FF and Rew, it was absolutely fine. >> >> One thing that might determine whether it is wear or this sort of ageing is how frequently it was used up until then. Basically if it was used a couple of times a week then it should keep going, but if it gets left for months at a time, then it is likely to be the motor struggling in the way I suggest. In other words, everything in the motor is absolutely fine, but the friction has just gone up too high for it to manage very much load. Also, if I'm right, one symptom is that tape will collect by the roller and then the machine will stop on the switch that detects there isn't enough tension. >> >> Christian >> >> >> On 9 May 2013 12:43, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>> I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Bala Ganesh >>> >>> On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> >>>> Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? >>>> >>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>> >>>> El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: >>>> >>>>> I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution. >>>>> >>>>> I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Bala >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>>>>> grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>>>>> usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>>>>> operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>>>>> rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>>>>> solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>>>>> >>>>>> This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. >>>>>> >>>>>> What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bala >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Luis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>>>> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Luis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>>>> Friends, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this a known problem ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With best regards, LP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! 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Exactly where in the motor is that grease located?  Thanks, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Christian Thomas >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:46 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping > > > >Going back to the question of the grease, I can assure you all that I have done this on a BX-300 and there is some quite thick grease in there that does stiffen the motor up.  After thinning this down and spraying in first WD40 and then a light oil, and giving it a good few hours of running on FF and Rew, it was absolutely fine. > > >One thing that might determine whether it is wear or this sort of ageing is how frequently it was used up until then.  Basically if it was used a couple of times a week then it should keep going, but if it gets left for months at a time, then it is likely to be the motor struggling in the way I suggest.  In other words, everything in the motor is absolutely fine, but the friction has just gone up too high for it to manage very much load.  Also, if I'm right, one symptom is that tape will collect by the roller and then the machine will stop on the switch that detects there isn't enough tension. > > >Christian > > > >On 9 May 2013 12:43, Bala Ganesh wrote: > >I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem.  >> >>Best Regards, Bala Ganesh >> >>On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >> >>Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? >>> >>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>> >>>El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: >>> >>> >>>I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution.  >>>> >>>> >>>>I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since.  >>>> >>>> >>>>Cheers  >>>>Bala  >>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>>>> >>>>>grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>>>> >>>>>usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>>>> >>>>>operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>>>>rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>>>> >>>>>solution. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position.  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Bala  >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi Luis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months.  There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb.  Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post?   >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>But you don't need to rebuild the motor.  The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all!  The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Luis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>yes it is known.  I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up.  Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route.  See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Christian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Friends, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Is this a known problem ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>With best regards, LP. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri May 10 15:29:27 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 06:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <349E722B-A02E-4FE2-B93E-1CB7E34CFCA7@peromarta.org> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> <64062DE7-98F0-44D5-B622-CE8723AAFC09@yahoo.com> <349E722B-A02E-4FE2-B93E-1CB7E34CFCA7@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <1368192567.17545.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I had trouble getting some of the pictures. The one I saw is of a control motor,not a reel motor. IME, control motors work well and last a long time after rebuilding. Reel motors do not. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Luis Peromarta >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:12 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping > > > >Thanks Bala. Yes we got them. They are pictures from a cam motor. Is it the same as the reel motor ? My reel motor is bad.  > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >El 10/05/2013, a las 10:48, Bala Ganesh escribió: > > >Did the photos come across ? >> >>Best Regards,  >>Bala Ganesh >> >>On 09/05/2013, at 9:46 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: >> >> >>Going back to the question of the grease, I can assure you all that I have done this on a BX-300 and there is some quite thick grease in there that does stiffen the motor up.  After thinning this down and spraying in first WD40 and then a light oil, and giving it a good few hours of running on FF and Rew, it was absolutely fine. >>> >>> >>>One thing that might determine whether it is wear or this sort of ageing is how frequently it was used up until then.  Basically if it was used a couple of times a week then it should keep going, but if it gets left for months at a time, then it is likely to be the motor struggling in the way I suggest.  In other words, everything in the motor is absolutely fine, but the friction has just gone up too high for it to manage very much load.  Also, if I'm right, one symptom is that tape will collect by the roller and then the machine will stop on the switch that detects there isn't enough tension. >>> >>> >>>Christian >>> >>> >>> >>>On 9 May 2013 12:43, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>> >>>I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem.  >>>> >>>>Best Regards, Bala Ganesh >>>> >>>>On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? >>>>> >>>>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>> >>>>>El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution.  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since.  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Cheers  >>>>>>Bala  >>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>>>>>> >>>>>>>grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>>>>>> >>>>>>>usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>>>>>> >>>>>>>operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>>>>>>rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>>>>>> >>>>>>>solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position.  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bala  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi Luis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months.  There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb.  Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post?   >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But you don't need to rebuild the motor.  The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all!  The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Luis >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>yes it is known.  I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up.  Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route.  See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Christian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Friends, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Is this a known problem ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>With best regards, LP. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>         Also check out the wiki! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 11 04:29:21 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 12:29:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping In-Reply-To: <349E722B-A02E-4FE2-B93E-1CB7E34CFCA7@peromarta.org> References: <182C4862-F9F9-4507-9929-0B3AEC0260F0@peromarta.org> <1368050185.59797.YahooMailNeo@web160214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2182CE10-CED3-496D-8CAE-8FA928238C1F@peromarta.org> <153BB979-2F90-4EB2-97D7-9CD7869F0397@yahoo.com> <64062DE7-98F0-44D5-B622-CE8723AAFC09@yahoo.com> <349E722B-A02E-4FE2-B93E-1CB7E34CFCA7@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <50586852-E30F-4AA7-ADA0-DC79272F30B5@yahoo.com> Let me check because I have a Sankyo mechanism open on my bench at the moment. Sent from my iPhone On 10/05/2013, at 10:12 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Thanks Bala. Yes we got them. They are pictures from a cam motor. Is it the same as the reel motor ? My reel motor is bad. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 10/05/2013, a las 10:48, Bala Ganesh escribió: > >> Did the photos come across ? >> >> Best Regards, >> Bala Ganesh >> >> On 09/05/2013, at 9:46 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: >> >>> Going back to the question of the grease, I can assure you all that I have done this on a BX-300 and there is some quite thick grease in there that does stiffen the motor up. After thinning this down and spraying in first WD40 and then a light oil, and giving it a good few hours of running on FF and Rew, it was absolutely fine. >>> >>> One thing that might determine whether it is wear or this sort of ageing is how frequently it was used up until then. Basically if it was used a couple of times a week then it should keep going, but if it gets left for months at a time, then it is likely to be the motor struggling in the way I suggest. In other words, everything in the motor is absolutely fine, but the friction has just gone up too high for it to manage very much load. Also, if I'm right, one symptom is that tape will collect by the roller and then the machine will stop on the switch that detects there isn't enough tension. >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> On 9 May 2013 12:43, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>>> I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Bala Ganesh >>>> >>>> On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>> >>>>> El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Bala >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>>>>>> grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>>>>>> usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>>>>>> operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>>>>>> rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bala >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Luis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months. There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb. Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But you don't need to rebuild the motor. The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all! The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>>>>> That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Luis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes it is known. I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up. Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route. See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>>>>> Friends, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is this a known problem ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best regards, LP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! 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However, the motor is going to consume higher current and its not going to be a really long term solution.  Replacing the motor, even with a used motor is far better. This is because the wear is even throughout the rotor unlike the wear pattern on the control motor which develops flat spots. I have seen the insides of a few cam motors and don't feel comfortable putting them in even after rebuild. Keeping them going with lube and all for a while is ok. But when it comes down to work on them, mine goes right into the bin with a fresh one taking the place.  Bala  ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping I had trouble getting some of the pictures. The one I saw is of a control motor, not a reel motor. IME, control motors work well and last a long time after rebuilding. Reel motors do not. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Luis Peromarta >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:12 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping > > > >Thanks Bala. Yes we got them. They are pictures from a cam motor. Is it the same as the reel motor ? My reel motor is bad.  > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >El 10/05/2013, a las 10:48, Bala Ganesh escribió: > > >Did the photos come across ? >> >>Best Regards,  >>Bala Ganesh >> >>On 09/05/2013, at 9:46 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: >> >> >>Going back to the question of the grease, I can assure you all that I have done this on a BX-300 and there is some quite thick grease in there that does stiffen the motor up.  After thinning this down and spraying in first WD40 and then a light oil, and giving it a good few hours of running on FF and Rew, it was absolutely fine. >>> >>> >>>One thing that might determine whether it is wear or this sort of ageing is how frequently it was used up until then.  Basically if it was used a couple of times a week then it should keep going, but if it gets left for months at a time, then it is likely to be the motor struggling in the way I suggest.  In other words, everything in the motor is absolutely fine, but the friction has just gone up too high for it to manage very much load.  Also, if I'm right, one symptom is that tape will collect by the roller and then the machine will stop on the switch that detects there isn't enough tension. >>> >>> >>>Christian >>> >>> >>> >>>On 9 May 2013 12:43, Bala Ganesh wrote: >>> >>>I don't have references LP but I have pictures from it which I can email to you. We should really find a modern replacement that would solve the problem.  >>>> >>>>Best Regards, Bala Ganesh >>>> >>>>On 09/05/2013, at 7:16 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Bala. Do you have an suitable replacement reference ? >>>>> >>>>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>> >>>>>El 09/05/2013, a las 10:36, Bala Ganesh escribió: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I agree with you Ron that replacing the motor is the best solution. The copper block commutators aren't the easiest to work with and rebuilding a motor is not going to be good solution.  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I find that the motor from the CR7 is also used in a number for laser disc transports and I usually rummage through surplus stores on a lucky. Had a bit of success actually and my CR7s have not complained since.  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Cheers  >>>>>>Bala  >>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>On 09/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, Ron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bala, I kinda doubt it's dried up grease, mainly because, IIRC, there is no >>>>>>> >>>>>>>grease inside the reel motor, just thin machine oil in the bearings. What >>>>>>> >>>>>>>usually causes stopping during play, coupled with correct FF/REW >>>>>>> >>>>>>>operation, is commutator (and maybe brush and/or bearings) wear. IME, >>>>>>>rebuilding didn't work for long, if at all. Replacing the motor is the good >>>>>>> >>>>>>>solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: Bala Ganesh >>>>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:49 PM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 stopping >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This would be different from the CR7 cam motor problem because it isn't repetitively stopping at the same position.  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What kind of lube would you recommend here ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bala  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 07/05/2013, at 9:45 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi Luis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I looked for what I wrote and Gmail is only taking me back as as little as a few months.  There is probably something about archiving that I don't know but it doesn't square with the Gig or so of space I have used out of my available 7Gb.  Can you ask Willy or whoever is in charge if they can find my post?   >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But you don't need to rebuild the motor.  The problem is lack of use and lighter fractions of the grease evaporating, that's all!  The motor is probably just as it was, just with bearings that are close to seizing due to their lubrication. It won't even have overheated - though it will have worked a bit harder than it should. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On 6 May 2013 19:53, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>That would be fantastic Christian. Thanks !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>El 06/05/2013, a las 18:15, Christian Thomas escribió: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Luis >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>yes it is known.  I put up a long thing a couple of years ago when it happened to me - basically the grease in the motor is congealing and getting too stiff - and you can ff or rew with no cassette for two to five hours and free this up.  Ultimately a new motor may be the best solution, but this is an interim measure if you don't want to go that route.  See if you can find it - if not I'll do a search here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Christian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On 6 May 2013 16:21, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Friends, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>my perfectly working BX-300 today has begun stopping the take up spool for no particular reason. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Gear upgraded, so no idler tyre problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I have checked torque on the Take Up spool (when working) to be 50gr.cm which is as per the SM. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>All soldering appear to be good, and I have gone trough most of them on the driver. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It does not stop with no cassette, and to the fingers torque seems very consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It stops randomly while playing, maybe every 10 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Is this a known problem ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>With best regards, LP. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! 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I have managed to fix the plastic lever successfully several times before, I will try to attach two pics (DIDN'T WORK - NO IDEA WHY) First meticulously clean the remains from oil and grease, then just drain the damn thing all over in multi part adhesive, fix the parts together and let it dry completely. Carefully drill a new and matching (!!), i.e. large enough hole so the screw does not break the fixed parts apart again. I found it useful to add a drop of loctite or thread-locking fluid with the small screw and washer to further strengthen the connection. Works like a charm. For those of you who understand German or are otherwise interested, here is a nak repair related thread in a great german board of vintage lovers. Kicks off with a great little fix for the eject mechanism linkage that I thought of: http://old-fidelity.de/thread-2373.html And here's the direkt link to lever and switch reanimation: http://old-fidelity.de/thread-2373-post-273941.html#pid273941 C'mon, rescue your great 480 ! Best, spocintosh -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun May 12 12:05:05 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:05:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL Message-ID: dear listeners, Recordings from a vinyl on a good Cassette Deck sound just like the vinyl. Or because of the Naka playback amplifier even a little better, ..... more full. Some say tape compression. I did buy some pre recorded cassette tapes and they sounded great. Little noisy, my be, but played back with DNL from Naka 700/1000, the sound was just great. Now I realized there some original pre- recorded reel to reel tapes to buy in US and UK. Do they sound even better than vinyl?..... better means more open listen-able information than vinyl can do ? Is there any sound difference in good 4 track or two track Reel Machines? If the 4 track machines uses splitted heads ? Makes that a difference in sound ? Pre recorded tapes are made for 4 track machines? Two track must be better sounding than 4 track? And one more Question: I do know the long lasting Playback heads from Akai GX. GX heads last very long because of the glass finished surface. But the Akai GX Cassette Deck did sound poor compared to the Nakamichi heads. Is that because of the glass GX surface.? I remember this Akai Deck does sound not precise, not open like a Nakamichi. Is there the same difference in REEL to REEL machines if they use Akai GX heads ? thanks for your answer. Gerhard / Vienna From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Mon May 13 12:39:56 2013 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:39:56 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57E21D027B38450DA7AFB72957A81FB5@sonyVAIO> You can find the necessary information about tape heads at JRF Magnetics. More detail ask to Mr.John French Regards, Ural -----Özgün İleti----- From: Gerhard Wartha Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 1:05 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL dear listeners, Recordings from a vinyl on a good Cassette Deck sound just like the vinyl. Or because of the Naka playback amplifier even a little better, ..... more full. Some say tape compression. I did buy some pre recorded cassette tapes and they sounded great. Little noisy, my be, but played back with DNL from Naka 700/1000, the sound was just great. Now I realized there some original pre- recorded reel to reel tapes to buy in US and UK. Do they sound even better than vinyl?..... better means more open listen-able information than vinyl can do ? Is there any sound difference in good 4 track or two track Reel Machines? If the 4 track machines uses splitted heads ? Makes that a difference in sound ? Pre recorded tapes are made for 4 track machines? Two track must be better sounding than 4 track? And one more Question: I do know the long lasting Playback heads from Akai GX. GX heads last very long because of the glass finished surface. But the Akai GX Cassette Deck did sound poor compared to the Nakamichi heads. Is that because of the glass GX surface.? I remember this Akai Deck does sound not precise, not open like a Nakamichi. Is there the same difference in REEL to REEL machines if they use Akai GX heads ? thanks for your answer. Gerhard / Vienna ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon May 13 15:52:13 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <201305131015.r4DA7g9j031816@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305131015.r4DA7g9j031816@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1368453133.4909.YahooMailNeo@web162805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Gerhard. A top 2track deck will have a little better specs than a 4track deck. Usually on the bottom end to actually hear. Some can't hear the difference and/or it's negligible. However, the 4 track has to be aligned perfectly or you can get crosstalk from the other recorded side. You can't improve from the source in analog. In other words, if you record from a vinyl record and like the sound better, it just means you've created some pleasing coloration and distortion to your ears. Akai has a rabid fan base of collectors/users, but a lot of us think they are bling junk. 50% of the inquiries coming into a R2R forum I'm on, involve Akai woes....disproportionately so. Crown, Teac/Tascam, Otari, Revox and even the top-tier Pioneer decks are the ones to have. If you want to graduate from prosumer decks, then go Studer and Ampex/ATR.  2track prerecorded tapes are more rare than 4track and bring a higher price, especially @15ips. Most 4track tapes are 71/2ips. High speed duplicating had it's pitfalls; machines had to be set up perfectly, working masters had to be constantly evaluated etc. There is a outfit called The Tape Project that purchases masters to use and duplicates in real time @1:1. Their stuff is very expensive-some say ridiculously so. They also make electronics that are external and let you go from your deck's heads straight through their electronics; bypassing your deck's electronics, which they deem are usually dated. Does vinyl sound better than tape? Well, that's a debate still raging today with $15,000+ TT and carts. What tape does, is give you more flexibility to record and then erase. I like to tape from vinyl because I can preserve my records longer.....same reason I use cassette, except their use is for the convenience factor. Since tape is so expensive, it makes sense to have at least one 4track deck in your stable. I use 2track @15ips for live recordings to make my own masters. Most of the time I use 4track @71/2ips for the economy of using tape on both sides. All my R2R decks are Tandberg, only because I started with that. Their sound is glorious, but mechanically they are horrible. In hindsight, I would have been better to buy one ATR deck and leave it at that. The care and feeding of the Tandbergs has probably aged me ten yrs prematurely. And I assume you are talking about 1/4" tape width, because there are pro machines out there set up for 2" tape width. Unless you're planning to set up a pro recording studio with multi-track decks, just stay with 1/4" tape. Kevin    ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:05:05 +0200 From: Gerhard Wartha Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed dear listeners, Recordings from a vinyl  on a good Cassette Deck sound just like the  vinyl. Or because of the Naka playback amplifier even a  little  better, ..... more full. Some say tape compression. I did buy some pre recorded cassette tapes and they sounded great. Little noisy, my be, but played back with DNL from  Naka 700/1000,  the sound was  just great. Now I realized there some original pre- recorded reel to reel tapes  to buy in US and UK. Do they sound even better  than vinyl?..... better means more  open  listen-able information than vinyl can do ? Is there any sound difference in good 4 track or  two track Reel  Machines? If the 4 track machines uses splitted heads ? Makes that a difference  in sound ? Pre recorded tapes are  made for 4 track machines? Two track must be  better sounding than 4 track? And one more Question:   I do know the long lasting Playback heads from Akai GX. GX heads last very long because of the glass finished surface. But the Akai GX Cassette Deck did sound poor compared to  the  Nakamichi heads. Is that because of the glass GX surface.? I remember this  Akai Deck does sound not precise, not open like  a  Nakamichi. Is there the same  difference in REEL to REEL machines if they use  Akai GX heads ? thanks for your answer. Gerhard / Vienna ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 15 **************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From latvis at rockdata.org Tue May 14 09:59:17 2013 From: latvis at rockdata.org (Jarmo Latva-Aijo) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 10:59:17 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed. Troublesome Nakamichi RX-202E Message-ID: <201305140933.r4E9WYad003030@zxe.naks.com> I got Nakamichi RX-202E with many mystery problems - help needed. Sorry, my native language is not english (but I think I can english better than you can finnish :) so I did a little video. Take a look http://youtu.be/zBBHt0vo0Ug and you can see those annoying troubles. - eject & reverse buttons on the right won't work (but if the cassette is rolling and I push them they work like STOP button - tape stops but no eject or reverse). - when I turn on the machine sometimes the buttons (play, rew, ff , stop...) on the right works (with delay), but sometimes not. I usually have to turn off and turn on many times until PLAY starts to work - AND if it works and I push eject or reverse button on the left the machine die (killing buttons on the right - they just stops working) - have to turn off and on again etc. -The machine works ONLY if the cassette holder is its B-side. If I manually succeed to force the cassette holder to A-side and push it close and start the machine the flip mechanic ejects and turns the holder to B-side. That is the only time the machine ejects. I can play cassettes only if the cassette holder shows "B". - autoreverse switch do not work as should - in all position tape just stops in the end. - the lid lamp do not work. Lamp seems to be ok, but wires has no electric? What works: If I succeed to start to machine all buttons (and their lamps) works as should minus Eject and Reverse. Even recoding works ok. I found web page http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX- Series_Belt_Replacement.htm and I checked that the belt is OK, the motor seems to be alive and the arrows on the two sets of gears are aligned. What I do not understand is "Slide Base Position Adjustment" on that page. How to "ground... jumper wire"...???? cannot even understand those terms... Does that mean that I put wire to test pin and its another end to some metal part of chassis? and then adjust those VR... if position adjustment is like that it do not work with my machine - nothing happens when turning those VR... maybe someone can make a video how to adjust base position??? Help needed. TIA. From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed May 15 05:29:45 2013 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help needed. Troublesome Nakamichi RX-202E In-Reply-To: <201305140933.r4E9WYad003030@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1368588585.11108.YahooMailClassic@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The correct web link is http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-Series_Belt_Replacement.htm the part you are having problems with is Ground test pin CAM B with a jumper wire to set the cassette to side A On the circuit board in the deck there are two posts sticking up in the air and next to them it says CAM A and CAM B to identify them.  What you need to do is get an alligator clip jumper and connect CAM B to the chassis of the tape deck which is electrically connected to 0 Volts or Ground.   Scott J.  --- On Tue, 5/14/13, Jarmo Latva-Aijo wrote: From: Jarmo Latva-Aijo Subject: [naktalk] Help needed. Troublesome Nakamichi RX-202E To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013, 12:59 AM I got Nakamichi RX-202E  with many mystery problems - help needed. Sorry, my native language is not english (but I think I can english better  than you can finnish :) so I did a little video. Take a look  http://youtu.be/zBBHt0vo0Ug and you can see those annoying troubles. - eject & reverse buttons on the right won't work (but if the cassette is  rolling and I push them they work like STOP button - tape stops but no eject  or reverse). - when I turn on the machine sometimes the buttons (play, rew, ff , stop...)  on the right works (with delay), but sometimes not. I usually have to turn  off and turn on many times until PLAY starts to work - AND if it works and I  push eject or reverse button on the left the machine die (killing buttons on  the right - they just stops working) - have to turn off and on again etc. -The machine works ONLY if the cassette holder is its B-side. If I manually  succeed to force the cassette holder to A-side and push it close and start  the machine the flip mechanic ejects and turns the holder to B-side. That is  the only time the machine ejects. I can play cassettes only if the cassette  holder shows "B". - autoreverse switch do not work as should - in all position tape just stops  in the end. - the lid lamp do not work. Lamp seems to be ok, but wires has no electric? What works: If I succeed to start to machine all buttons (and their lamps)  works as should minus Eject and Reverse. Even recoding works ok. I found web page http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX- Series_Belt_Replacement.htm and I checked that the belt is OK, the motor seems to be alive and the  arrows on the two sets of gears are aligned. What I do not understand is "Slide Base Position Adjustment" on that page. How to "ground... jumper wire"...???? cannot even understand those terms... Does that mean that I put wire to test pin and its another end to some metal  part of chassis? and then adjust those VR... if position adjustment is like  that it do not work with my machine - nothing happens when turning those  VR...   maybe someone can make a video how to adjust base position??? Help needed. TIA. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed May 15 08:43:18 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 08:43:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed. Troublesome Nakamichi RX-202E In-Reply-To: <201305140933.r4E9WYad003030@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305140933.r4E9WYad003030@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <51932E86.2060308@univ-rennes1.fr> Please pay attention to the following: At the end of the RX202 Service manual that you can download on the wikipage (see link at the end of this message), you will find the last page (also attached herein), which describes an error in the SM: actually VR 502 and VR503 have to be inverted in the procedure... Regards bernard Le 14/05/2013 09:59, Jarmo Latva-Aijo a écrit : > I got Nakamichi RX-202E with many mystery problems - help needed. > > Sorry, my native language is not english (but I think I can english > better than you can finnish :) > so I did a little video. Take a look http://youtu.be/zBBHt0vo0Ug > and you can see those annoying troubles. > > - eject & reverse buttons on the right won't work (but if the cassette > is rolling and I push them they work like STOP button - tape stops > but no eject or reverse). > - when I turn on the machine sometimes the buttons (play, rew, ff , > stop...) on the right works (with delay), but sometimes not. I > usually have to turn off and turn on many times until PLAY starts to > work - AND if it works and I push eject or reverse button on the left > the machine die (killing buttons on the right - they just stops > working) - have to turn off and on again etc. > -The machine works ONLY if the cassette holder is its B-side. If I > manually succeed to force the cassette holder to A-side and push it > close and start the machine the flip mechanic ejects and turns the > holder to B-side. That is the only time the machine ejects. I can > play cassettes only if the cassette holder shows "B". > - autoreverse switch do not work as should - in all position tape just > stops in the end. > - the lid lamp do not work. Lamp seems to be ok, but wires has no > electric? > > What works: If I succeed to start to machine all buttons (and their > lamps) works as should minus Eject and Reverse. Even recoding works ok. > > I found web page http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX- > Series_Belt_Replacement.htm and I checked that the belt is OK, the > motor seems to be alive and the arrows on the two sets of gears are > aligned. > What I do not understand is "Slide Base Position Adjustment" on that > page. How to "ground... jumper wire"...???? cannot even understand > those terms... Does that mean that I put wire to test pin and its > another end to some metal part of chassis? and then adjust those > VR... if position adjustment is like that it do not work with my > machine - nothing happens when turning those VR... maybe someone can > make a video how to adjust base position??? > > Help needed. TIA. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Page50_RX202_ServiceManual.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 46865 bytes Desc: not available URL: From andrew.panda at ntlworld.com Tue May 14 13:41:35 2013 From: andrew.panda at ntlworld.com (Andrew Mortimer) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:41:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed. Troublesome Nakamichi RX-202E In-Reply-To: <201305140933.r4E9WYad003030@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305140933.r4E9WYad003030@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000901ce5097$fea93970$fbfbac50$@ntlworld.com> Many thanks for this but my machine is a 700 Tri-Tracer and I am concerned with the non-working auto-shutoff in Pl y, F Forward and rewind mode, so I don't think this will be of any use. Did you mix up sending the message? If you can comment on my problem or point to someone who can, I shall be very grateful. Regards Andrew Mortimer -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jarmo Latva-Aijo Sent: 14 May 2013 08:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Help needed. Troublesome Nakamichi RX-202E I got Nakamichi RX-202E with many mystery problems - help needed. Sorry, my native language is not english (but I think I can english better than you can finnish :) so I did a little video. Take a look http://youtu.be/zBBHt0vo0Ug and you can see those annoying troubles. - eject & reverse buttons on the right won't work (but if the cassette is rolling and I push them they work like STOP button - tape stops but no eject or reverse). - when I turn on the machine sometimes the buttons (play, rew, ff , stop...) on the right works (with delay), but sometimes not. I usually have to turn off and turn on many times until PLAY starts to work - AND if it works and I push eject or reverse button on the left the machine die (killing buttons on the right - they just stops working) - have to turn off and on again etc. -The machine works ONLY if the cassette holder is its B-side. If I manually succeed to force the cassette holder to A-side and push it close and start the machine the flip mechanic ejects and turns the holder to B-side. That is the only time the machine ejects. I can play cassettes only if the cassette holder shows "B". - autoreverse switch do not work as should - in all position tape just stops in the end. - the lid lamp do not work. Lamp seems to be ok, but wires has no electric? What works: If I succeed to start to machine all buttons (and their lamps) works as should minus Eject and Reverse. Even recoding works ok. I found web page http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX- Series_Belt_Replacement.htm and I checked that the belt is OK, the motor seems to be alive and the arrows on the two sets of gears are aligned. What I do not understand is "Slide Base Position Adjustment" on that page. How to "ground... jumper wire"...???? cannot even understand those terms... Does that mean that I put wire to test pin and its another end to some metal part of chassis? and then adjust those VR... if position adjustment is like that it do not work with my machine - nothing happens when turning those VR... maybe someone can make a video how to adjust base position??? Help needed. TIA. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From latvis at rockdata.org Wed May 15 06:46:22 2013 From: latvis at rockdata.org (Jarmo Latva-Aijo) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 07:46:22 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed. Troublesome Nakamichi RX-202E In-Reply-To: <1368588585.11108.YahooMailClassic@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo .com> References: <201305140933.r4E9WYad003030@zxe.naks.com> <1368588585.11108.YahooMailClassic@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201305150620.r4F6JkS1006582@zxe.naks.com> > > get an alligator clip jumper and connect CAM > B to the chassis of the tape deck which is > electrically connected to 0 Volts or Ground. Thanks for the info. That is what I have tried. If I pull out connector CN-7 and follow instructions... "ground CAM B/adjust VR502, then CAM B+CAM A/adjust VR503 and CAM A/adjust VR501"... absolutely nothing happens/change... and if I turn those VRs to whatever position and plug CN-7 back in the situation is same as in the beginning.... nothing changed. Maybe there is some electric problems BUT where? The deck plays & records ok and all lamps except that cassette lid lamp which wires comes from that same board where CN-7 a´nd VRs are do not work... but CAM motor which wires comes from the same board seems to work as seen in the video. Hopeless. From eldoskingjulian at gmail.com Wed May 15 07:29:23 2013 From: eldoskingjulian at gmail.com (King Julian) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 07:29:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 580m play not working Message-ID: Hi all. Sorry in advance if I get this wrong , I am a first timer here. I have a Nakamichi 580m deck that was working fine and then we brought it home by car and after the trip it now doesn't want to play. FF and REW works fine...when you press play , the heads sort of make. Tiny movement , but does not raise and the motor don't spin. Any ideas where to start looking to help me fix this deck please. Also , please let me know if the NAKTALK archives are searchable and how ? as I went through month by month looking for any headings regarding 580m and stopped somewhere in 2012... Tx a mill any help is much appreciated Julian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed May 15 15:14:52 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:14:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 480 Capstan motor keeps running upon auto-stop Message-ID: <51938A4C.6090008@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi everyone, My "almost working" 480 is going better and better but here is what Iobserved yesterday: At the end of the tape, everything behaves as it should exept that the capstan motor keeps turning. However, if I hit the STOP key, it does stop. At first glance, the capstan motor is not stopped by the auto-shut-off but is by the STOP key. I do not think that this behavior is expected. Is it ? What is the difference between these two ways of stopping the motor? could Q409 be the culprit? Thanks for suggestions bernard From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu May 16 03:28:48 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1368453133.4909.YahooMailNeo@web162805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305131015.r4DA7g9j031816@zxe.naks.com> <1368453133.4909.YahooMailNeo@web162805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there isn't the restriction with regards to space.  Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads.  I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through.  I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through various parameters. There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It comes really really close though.  Cheers,  Bala  ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL Gerhard. A top 2track deck will have a little better specs than a 4track deck. Usually on the bottom end to actually hear. Some can't hear the difference and/or it's negligible. However, the 4 track has to be aligned perfectly or you can get crosstalk from the other recorded side. You can't improve from the source in analog. In other words, if you record from a vinyl record and like the sound better, it just means you've created some pleasing coloration and distortion to your ears. Akai has a rabid fan base of collectors/users, but a lot of us think they are bling junk. 50% of the inquiries coming into a R2R forum I'm on, involve Akai woes....disproportionately so. Crown, Teac/Tascam, Otari, Revox and even the top-tier Pioneer decks are the ones to have. If you want to graduate from prosumer decks, then go Studer and Ampex/ATR.  2track prerecorded tapes are more rare than 4track and bring a higher price, especially @15ips. Most 4track tapes are 71/2ips. High speed duplicating had it's pitfalls; machines had to be set up perfectly, working masters had to be constantly evaluated etc. There is a outfit called The Tape Project that purchases masters to use and duplicates in real time @1:1. Their stuff is very expensive-some say ridiculously so. They also make electronics that are external and let you go from your deck's heads straight through their electronics; bypassing your deck's electronics, which they deem are usually dated. Does vinyl sound better than tape? Well, that's a debate still raging today with $15,000+ TT and carts. What tape does, is give you more flexibility to record and then erase. I like to tape from vinyl because I can preserve my records longer.....same reason I use cassette, except their use is for the convenience factor. Since tape is so expensive, it makes sense to have at least one 4track deck in your stable. I use 2track @15ips for live recordings to make my own masters. Most of the time I use 4track @71/2ips for the economy of using tape on both sides. All my R2R decks are Tandberg, only because I started with that. Their sound is glorious, but mechanically they are horrible. In hindsight, I would have been better to buy one ATR deck and leave it at that. The care and feeding of the Tandbergs has probably aged me ten yrs prematurely. And I assume you are talking about 1/4" tape width, because there are pro machines out there set up for 2" tape width. Unless you're planning to set up a pro recording studio with multi-track decks, just stay with 1/4" tape. Kevin    ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:05:05 +0200 From: Gerhard Wartha Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed dear listeners, Recordings from a vinyl  on a good Cassette Deck sound just like the  vinyl. Or because of the Naka playback amplifier even a  little  better, ..... more full. Some say tape compression. I did buy some pre recorded cassette tapes and they sounded great. Little noisy, my be, but played back with DNL from  Naka 700/1000,  the sound was  just great. Now I realized there some original pre- recorded reel to reel tapes  to buy in US and UK. Do they sound even better  than vinyl?..... better means more  open  listen-able information than vinyl can do ? Is there any sound difference in good 4 track or  two track Reel  Machines? If the 4 track machines uses splitted heads ? Makes that a difference  in sound ? Pre recorded tapes are  made for 4 track machines? Two track must be  better sounding than 4 track? And one more Question:   I do know the long lasting Playback heads from Akai GX. GX heads last very long because of the glass finished surface. But the Akai GX Cassette Deck did sound poor compared to  the  Nakamichi heads. Is that because of the glass GX surface.? I remember this  Akai Deck does sound not precise, not open like  a  Nakamichi. Is there the same  difference in REEL to REEL machines if they use  Akai GX heads ? thanks for your answer. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu May 16 20:43:57 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 580m play not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1368729837.45122.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A common cause for this behavior is either takup failure (tape is not pulled by the right hand hub), or a shut-off system failure (less common). To determine which (if any) of these ails your deck, please note whether the tape counter rotates in FF and REW. If not, you have to determine why and fix it before going further. If the tape counter does rotate in FF, locate Q417 on the Logic PCB and lift off the collector lead. If this allows the deck to play, you have a shut-off problem. If not, you have a takeup problem. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: King Julian >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:29 AM >Subject: [naktalk] 580m play not working > > > >Hi all. >Sorry in advance if I get this wrong , I am a first timer here. > > >I have a Nakamichi 580m deck that was working fine and then we brought it home by car and after the trip it now doesn't want to play. FF and REW works fine...when you press play , the heads sort of make. Tiny movement , but does not raise and the motor don't spin. > > >Any ideas where to start looking to help me fix this deck please. > > >Also , please let me know if the NAKTALK archives are searchable and how ? as I went through month by month looking for any headings regarding 580m and stopped somewhere in 2012... > > > >Tx a mill any help is much appreciated >Julian  >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu May 16 16:09:55 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 07:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of digital use.  The market share of real techs willing to work on them and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog.  I marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com"     Message-ID:     <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there isn't the restriction with regards to space.  Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads.  I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through.  I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through various parameters. There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It comes really really close though.  Cheers,  Bala  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu May 16 17:09:07 2013 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 08:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1368716947.49490.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I never figured out why some pre-recorded R to R tapes were recorded at 3 3/4. It seems like there's only ten feet of tape! Yeah, I know, probably to save money.Bob N --- On Sun, 5/12/13, Gerhard Wartha wrote: From: Gerhard Wartha Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, May 12, 2013, 3:05 AM dear listeners, Recordings from a vinyl  on a good Cassette Deck sound just like the vinyl. Or because of the Naka playback amplifier even a  little better, ..... more full. Some say tape compression. I did buy some pre recorded cassette tapes and they sounded great. Little noisy, my be, but played back with DNL from  Naka 700/1000, the sound was  just great. Now I realized there some original pre- recorded reel to reel tapes  to buy in US and UK. Do they sound even better  than vinyl?..... better means more  open listen-able information than vinyl can do ? Is there any sound difference in good 4 track or  two track Reel Machines? If the 4 track machines uses splitted heads ? Makes that a difference in sound ? Pre recorded tapes are  made for 4 track machines? Two track must be better sounding than 4 track? And one more Question: I do know the long lasting Playback heads from Akai GX. GX heads last very long because of the glass finished surface. But the Akai GX Cassette Deck did sound poor compared to  the Nakamichi heads. Is that because of the glass GX surface.? I remember this  Akai Deck does sound not precise, not open like  a Nakamichi. Is there the same  difference in REEL to REEL machines if they use Akai GX heads ? thanks for your answer. Gerhard / Vienna ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Thu May 16 22:01:03 2013 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:01:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin, What is TT? Regards,M On 5/16/13, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > > > ________________________________ > There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with > money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on > are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. > Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, > decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. > Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of > digital use.  The market share of real techs willing to work on them and > keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. > There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE > today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby > "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a > particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and > their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The > present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are > selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog.  I > marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool > factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB > TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep > coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their > craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. > > I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much > better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. > > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" >     > Message-ID: >     <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there > isn't the restriction with regards to space. > > Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, > Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a > consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 > running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase > linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a > very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite > heads. > > I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or > Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. > Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on > wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound > more natural and definitely less > coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it > cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound > different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track > reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and > relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although > you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine > through. > > I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover > version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or > lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour > the original source somewhat through various parameters. > > There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics > for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much > potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is > definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and > bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and > ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better > and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It > comes really really close though. > > Cheers, > Bala From josephjean at verizon.net Thu May 16 22:12:43 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:12:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com > References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0MMW009QWQT6N560@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> I have an Otari MX5050 which I bought from a guy whose father got it from a radio station where he was a broadcaster. It had less than 10 hours on it and I paid $500 for it. It once sold new for $5600 and it's probably the same model you can buy new as Kevin described. It is a great R2R and I love it. At 10:09 AM 5/16/2013, you wrote: > >There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby >boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is >about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your >decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively >uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather >complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their >technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of >digital use. The market share of real techs willing to work on them >and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the >rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic >tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what it was some >30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that you have new, >younger people interested in a particular hobby. That just ain't >so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their sound, they are >dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The present pro >machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are >selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of >analog. I marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to >have some cool factor for young adults, most of which are attracted >to those cheap USB TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works >because the records keep coming and that allows for the high-end TT >manufacturers to ply their craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. > >I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd >be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. > >Kevin > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL >To: Kevin Fetner <shoeihell at yahoo.com>, >"naktalk at naks.com" > <naktalk at naks.com> >Message-ID: > ><1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as >there isn't the restriction with regards to space. > >Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. >Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency >response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck >should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response >comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find >Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - >something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads. > >I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either >Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were >manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus >with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long >lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely >less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be >it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all >will sound different and it really comes down to personal >preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the >moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The >soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good >enough system to match and allow the material to shine through. > >I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a >cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on >cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this >evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through >various parameters. > >There's been a good revival with a few companies building new >electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and >show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we >call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital >mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape >still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I >have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant >digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It comes really >really close though. > >Cheers, >Bala > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 17 01:38:18 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:38:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <0MMW009QWQT6N560@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0MMW009QWQT6N560@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6D8A10B9-2B87-4338-9368-AE8837A4C236@yahoo.com> The MX5050 is a great machine and a staple of many studios. Otari was born out of a group of TASCAM engineers who were not too keen with the direction TASCAM was taking, and hence left to form Otari. What configuration is your MX5050? Best Regards, Bala Sent from my iPhone On 17/05/2013, at 6:12 AM, goodguy wrote: > I have an Otari MX5050 which I bought from a guy whose father got it from a radio station where he was a broadcaster. It had less than 10 hours on it and I paid $500 for it. It once sold new for $5600 and it's probably the same model you can buy new as Kevin described. > > It is a great R2R and I love it. > > > At 10:09 AM 5/16/2013, you wrote: > > >> >> There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of digital use. The market share of real techs willing to work on them and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog. I marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. >> >> I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. >> >> Kevin >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL >> To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" >> >> Message-ID: >> < 1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there isn't the restriction with regards to space. >> >> Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads. >> >> I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through. >> >> I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through various parameters. >> >> There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It comes really really close though. >> >> Cheers, >> Bala >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 17 10:25:39 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3@yahoo.com> Therein lies the difference. The more visible aspect of R2R does suggest it being driven by baby boomers and some wanting to dabble. But with new electronics being still designed and made, new heads,rebuilt transports and enough commercial viability to drive two new manufacturers from the ashes of old ones, this is definitely a revival. While, there's much more variety with R2R, its horses for causes. I wouldn't need a 24- track beast in my house though that two tracker might not suffice for a major studio. And of course, Abbey Road still maintains their STUDERs. The number of the USB powered garbage is really small, compared to the number of real turntables out there. Most people spinning vinyl quickly realise what these are and smarten up to the real deal. With the difference in drive types, suspensions, overall mass, arm types ( fancy rocking unipivots?), cartridges of varying stylii profiles, generator technologies and compliances, I would hardly call it uncomplicated. A well set up turntable, as of today, still trumps pricier digital setup. The cool factor plus the wonderful artwork is a bonus. As with any other industry, there's a lot of snake oil. Boutique manufactures have also crept into the turntable scene with equipment that's high on price factor but robs me of enjoying music. You can easily spot these with their poor aftermarket resale value and demand. Analogue tape, be it reel or cassette, still sounds immensely wonderful when done right. With good tape, and correctly serviced decks, I have no reason to clean heads or tape drop outs frequently. Just as how I seldom clean my stylus because my records are kept clean and the system setup correctly. Side by side, I rock a Apple TV and PLEX media centre setup with hi def audio through a DAC. It doesn't surprise me though how many of my colleagues and friends who visit me are taken aback when the 'retro' vinyl cakes the hi def digital setup. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 17/05/2013, at 12:09 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of digital use. The market share of real techs willing to work on them and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog. I marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. > > I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. > > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" > > Message-ID: > <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there isn't the restriction with regards to space. > > Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads. > > I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through. > > I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through various parameters. > > There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Thu May 16 22:06:19 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:06:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8606209A-F542-4CF6-8F7E-C101776C6042@gmail.com> young revival / baby boomers / tight jeans = also known as Hipsters On May 16, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of digital use. The market share of real techs willing to work on them and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog. I marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. > > I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. > > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" > > Message-ID: > <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there isn't the restriction with regards to space. > > Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads. > > I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through. > > I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through various parameters. > > There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It comes really really close though. > > Cheers, > Bala > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu May 16 23:19:40 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1368739180.33457.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> M, TT means turntable. Jayson ________________________________ From: MD To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL Kevin, What is TT? Regards,M On 5/16/13, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > > > ________________________________ > There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with > money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on > are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. > Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, > decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. > Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of > digital use.  The market share of real techs willing to work on them and > keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. > There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE > today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby > "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a > particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and > their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The >  present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are > selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog.  I > marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool > factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB > TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep > coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their > craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. > > I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much > better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. > > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" >     > Message-ID: >     <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; >  charset="iso-8859-1" > > Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there > isn't the restriction with regards to space. > > Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, > Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a > consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 > running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase > linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a > very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite > heads. > > I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or > Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. > Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on > wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound > more natural and definitely less >  coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it > cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound > different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track > reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and > relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although > you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine > through. > > I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover > version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or > lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour > the original source somewhat through various parameters. > > There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics > for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much > potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is >  definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and > bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and > ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better > and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It > comes really really close though. > > Cheers, > Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Relações com Investidores Multiplan S.A. +55 21 3031-5600 ----- Mensagem original ----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Thu May 16 17:01:03 2013 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL Kevin, What is TT? Regards,M On 5/16/13, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > > > ________________________________ > There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with > money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on > are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. > Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, > decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. > Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of > digital use. The market share of real techs willing to work on them and > keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. > There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE > today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby > "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a > particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and > their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The > present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are > selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog. I > marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool > factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB > TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep > coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their > craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. > > I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much > better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. > > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" > > Message-ID: > <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there > isn't the restriction with regards to space. > > Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, > Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a > consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 > running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase > linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a > very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite > heads. > > I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or > Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. > Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on > wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound > more natural and definitely less > coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it > cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound > different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track > reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and > relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although > you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine > through. > > I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover > version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or > lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour > the original source somewhat through various parameters. > > There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics > for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much > potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is > definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and > bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and > ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better > and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It > comes really really close though. > > Cheers, > Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri May 17 14:29:16 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:29:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <8606209A-F542-4CF6-8F7E-C101776C6042@gmail.com> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8606209A-F542-4CF6-8F7E-C101776C6042@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93FC94FC-10EB-4CA1-B588-49477759AA32@gmail.com> I think I am one of this baby boomers, but not 50 jet. But I do analog listening not for me only. It is important for my 4 years old daughter, listen to real music with all chaotic informations in tones with its moving frequencies. That is like walking, and seeing a natural grown forrest. That forrest is food for the brain and the absorbing capacity of any person. Digitalized music is like a industrial plant forrest with trees every 4 feet after the next, and in one line. It is boring to walk in a forrest like this, same like to listen to music like this. It is boring to the brain, and makes brains not grow or learn anymore. It makes even the ears and the hearing parts of brains de-mount. Listen to chaotic world makes us feeling as part of the "Cosmos" Listen digital is like being a part of a community with more than enough rules, mathematics or straight line grown trees. There must not be a analogue revival. It helps anybody who is spending some energy to listen analogue. Gerhard World and Cosmos are chaotic. Analoge listening is Am 16.05.2013 um 22:06 schrieb Cyrus Shirali: > young revival / baby boomers / tight jeans = also known as Hipsters > > > On May 16, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Kevin Fetner > wrote: > >> >> >> There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby >> boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is >> about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your >> decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively >> uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather >> complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their >> technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent >> of digital use. The market share of real techs willing to work on >> them and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die >> like the rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for >> magnetic tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what >> it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that >> you have new, younger people interested in a particular hobby. >> That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their >> sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. >> The present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; >> studios that are selling to a certain range of customers that >> fancy the 'sound' of analog. I marvel at the true "revival" of >> TT's, but that seems to have some cool factor for young adults, >> most of which are attracted to those cheap USB TT's. But in this >> example, trickle-down works because the records keep coming and >> that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their >> craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. >> >> I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but >> you'd be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for >> 1/4" tape, 2track. >> >> Kevin >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL >> To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" >> >> Message-ID: >> <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction >> as there isn't the restriction with regards to space. >> >> Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. >> Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible >> frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips >> Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, >> this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I >> personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a >> very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock >> ferrite heads. >> >> I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either >> Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were >> manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus >> with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or >> long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and >> definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic >> footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and >> so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to >> personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best >> at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. >> The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a >> good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through. >> >> I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a >> cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on >> cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this >> evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat >> through various parameters. >> >> There's been a good revival with a few companies building new >> electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and >> show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we >> call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital >> mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape >> still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I >> have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant >> digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It comes really >> really close though. >> >> Cheers, >> Bala >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri May 17 12:21:52 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 03:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3@yahoo.com> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1368786112.40193.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bala, Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test.  After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove.  This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. Jayson ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL Therein lies the difference. The more visible aspect of R2R does suggest it being driven by baby boomers and some wanting to dabble. But with new electronics being still designed and made, new heads,rebuilt transports and enough commercial viability to drive two new manufacturers from the ashes of old ones, this is definitely a revival. While, there's much more variety with R2R, its horses for causes. I wouldn't need a 24- track beast in my house though that two tracker might not suffice for a major studio. And of course, Abbey Road still maintains their STUDERs.  The number of the USB powered garbage is really small, compared to the number of real turntables out there. Most people spinning vinyl quickly realise what these are and smarten up to the real deal. With the difference in drive types, suspensions, overall mass, arm types ( fancy rocking unipivots?), cartridges of varying stylii profiles, generator technologies and compliances, I would hardly call it uncomplicated. A well set up turntable, as of today, still trumps pricier digital setup. The cool factor plus the wonderful artwork is a bonus.  As with any other industry, there's a lot of snake oil. Boutique manufactures have also crept into the turntable scene with equipment that's high on price factor but robs me of enjoying music. You can easily spot these with their poor aftermarket resale value and demand.  Analogue tape, be it reel or cassette, still sounds immensely wonderful when done right. With good tape, and correctly serviced decks, I have no reason to clean heads or tape drop outs frequently. Just as how I seldom clean my stylus because my records are kept clean and the system setup correctly. Side by side, I rock a Apple TV and PLEX media centre setup with hi def audio through a DAC. It doesn't surprise me though how many of my colleagues and friends who visit me are taken aback when the 'retro' vinyl cakes the hi def digital setup. Best Regards,  Bala Ganesh On 17/05/2013, at 12:09 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > > >________________________________ >There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of digital use.  The market share of real techs willing to work on them and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog.  I marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. > >I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. > >Kevin > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL >To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" >    >Message-ID: >    <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there isn't the restriction with regards to space.  > >Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads.  > >I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through.  > >I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through various parameters. > >There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It comes really really close though.  > >Cheers,  >Bala  > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri May 17 16:31:13 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 07:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <201305171312.r4HD5137014950@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305171312.r4HD5137014950@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1368801073.61782.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I couldn't disagree with you more. What's left of R2R is supported and propped by aging baby boomers like myself. And the well heeled of us dabble in external electronics for extraordinary analog sound. Hardly a trend or a "revival". It's a dying hobby and the younger generations look at it like a roadhouse show for antiques. Nobody is making prosumer decks for homeowners except as I mentioned, Otari on special order. If you want to know how many decks Otari makes a yr, give them a call-you'll be sadly disappointed. Hobbyenthusiasts are simply restoring what's already out there. A Ampex ATR 102 set up for 1/4" tape and 2track is hardly a "24-track beast". You often tend to run to the hysterical withexaggerated points. You also belittle the number of young people with cheap USB TT's and the primary reason so many music groups are issuing real records to support them, not to mention the 180gr re-issue albums designed for them and for us baby boomers. You also don't seem to get the fact that by comparison, making a TT is a walk in the park compared to manufacturing a top-tier R2R deck. If it were that easy and the interest was there, they'd be making new decks, rather than just refurbishing them. Plus the world's supply of record/playback heads are dwindling dangerously. If someone doesn't step up to the plate soon and re-manufacture them, the NOS supply will run out in the near future. You can only relap a head so many times and it's not always optimal anyway, because they're isn't always globs of material to work with on prosumer decks, unlike their big brother studio decks. No new heads will eventually mean; R2R=museum. You also conveniently ignored my point about techs to work on R2R decks. They are quite literally, a dying breed. And the hobby enthusiast isn't going to put out $2,000+ in used test and alignment equipment to keep their decks to spec. Nor are the going to 'feel their way' into the in & outs of bias & equalization settings, head and transport alignment, repairing/replacing aging electronics, lubing motors and solenoids etc, etc. You can't have a "revival" of any kind without the techs to support it and as I said, there is no new training in magnetic tape for techs in prosumer decks.  As with any pursuit that potentially involves $$$, snake oil will become standard fare. I wasn't supporting boutique studios or external electronics, just mentioning then in passing as 'choices' out there for the well-heeled. The Otari MX5050and the Technics 1500/1700 are the very foundation for The Tape Project/Bottle Neck external electronic modification series. I think they do a good job, although their prices are overblown for what you get. Yes, the Otari was the cornerstone of 'tank' R2R's in radio stations, not for recording famous music like the Studer and Ampex machines did. Great workhorse deck, with average electronics.  It's all a matter of prospective though and how much you are willing to spend. Sorry to be such a pragmatist when it comes to R2R, but it's better than offering a bunch of fluff dialog about a "revival" of R2R. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25:39 +1000 From: Bala Ganesh Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Kevin Fetner ,    Talk about Nakamichi Cassette     Decks Message-ID: <9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3 at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therein lies the difference. The more visible aspect of R2R does suggest it being driven by baby boomers and some wanting to dabble. But with new electronics being still designed and made, new heads,rebuilt transports and enough commercial viability to drive two new manufacturers from the ashes of old ones, this is definitely a revival. While, there's much more variety with R2R, its horses for causes. I wouldn't need a 24- track beast in my house though that two tracker might not suffice for a major studio. And of course, Abbey Road still maintains their STUDERs. The number of the USB powered garbage is really small, compared to the number of real turntables out there. Most people spinning vinyl quickly realise what these are and smarten up to the real deal. With the difference in drive types, suspensions, overall mass, arm types ( fancy rocking unipivots?), cartridges of varying stylii profiles, generator technologies and compliances, I would hardly call it uncomplicated. A well set up turntable, as of today, still trumps pricier digital setup. The cool factor plus the wonderful artwork is a bonus. As with any other industry, there's a lot of snake oil. Boutique manufactures have also crept into the turntable scene with equipment that's high on price factor but robs me of enjoying music. You can easily spot these with their poor aftermarket resale value and demand. Analogue tape, be it reel or cassette, still sounds immensely wonderful when done right. With good tape, and correctly serviced decks, I have no reason to clean heads or tape drop outs frequently. Just as how I seldom clean my stylus because my records are kept clean and the system setup correctly. Side by side, I rock a Apple TV and PLEX media centre setup with hi def audio through a DAC. It doesn't surprise me though how many of my colleagues and friends who visit me are taken aback when the 'retro' vinyl cakes the hi def digital setup. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 17 23:25:22 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 07:25:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1368786112.40193.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3@yahoo.com> <1368786112.40193.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0A9C966C-6FFD-42C2-BB72-D8C34F246278@yahoo.com> Hi Jayson, Funny you should mention magnifying glasses. I have one of Dad's Stanton stylus cleaning kit that came with a dentist's mirror and a magnifying glass that was to inspect the stylus. They are truly indispensable I agree that a stylus should be clean to prevent damage to the grooves. But then, how clean are our records to begin with? I take a religious attitude in keeping my media clean. This translates to very little surface noise, no clicks or pops, more musical information out of the vinyl, and of course a more cleaner stylus. I also take this approach for another reason. Some of the chemicals used in stylus cleaning fluids have been known to weaken the adhesive between the stylus and the cantilever. I've personally lost a very rare Ikeda stylus this way. It was after a visit to a close associates place that I realised I could be putting the cart before the horse by paying scant attention to the cleanliness of my records except the dry brushing using the Stanton ARC-5 or Decca brush. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 17/05/2013, at 8:21 PM, Jayson Levitz wrote: > Bala, > > Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test. After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove. This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. > > Jayson > > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > > Therein lies the difference. The more visible aspect of R2R does suggest it being driven by baby boomers and some wanting to dabble. But with new electronics being still designed and made, new heads,rebuilt transports and enough commercial viability to drive two new manufacturers from the ashes of old ones, this is definitely a revival. While, there's much more variety with R2R, its horses for causes. I wouldn't need a 24- track beast in my house though that two tracker might not suffice for a major studio. And of course, Abbey Road still maintains their STUDERs. > > The number of the USB powered garbage is really small, compared to the number of real turntables out there. Most people spinning vinyl quickly realise what these are and smarten up to the real deal. With the difference in drive types, suspensions, overall mass, arm types ( fancy rocking unipivots?), cartridges of varying stylii profiles, generator technologies and compliances, I would hardly call it uncomplicated. A well set up turntable, as of today, still trumps pricier digital setup. The cool factor plus the wonderful artwork is a bonus. > > As with any other industry, there's a lot of snake oil. Boutique manufactures have also crept into the turntable scene with equipment that's high on price factor but robs me of enjoying music. You can easily spot these with their poor aftermarket resale value and demand. > > Analogue tape, be it reel or cassette, still sounds immensely wonderful when done right. With good tape, and correctly serviced decks, I have no reason to clean heads or tape drop outs frequently. Just as how I seldom clean my stylus because my records are kept clean and the system setup correctly. Side by side, I rock a Apple TV and PLEX media centre setup with hi def audio through a DAC. It doesn't surprise me though how many of my colleagues and friends who visit me are taken aback when the 'retro' vinyl cakes the hi def digital setup. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 17/05/2013, at 12:09 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > >> >> >> There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of digital use. The market share of real techs willing to work on them and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog. I marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. >> >> I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. >> >> Kevin >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL >> To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" >> >> Message-ID: >> <1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there isn't the restriction with regards to space. >> >> Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads. >> >> I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through. >> >> I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through various parameters. >> >> There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. 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Ram. ________________________________ From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL Bala, Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test.  After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove.  This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. 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The ones from Audio Technica, LAST and Lyra's Stylus Performance Treatment all use very soft brushes that remove dirt and fibres lodged in the stylus and cantilever assembly. AT also mention about using the bristles and not the bristle tip to gently clean the stylus. Blu-Tak! LOL! Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 18/05/2013, at 8:16 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Jayson, so right you are. In fact I use blue tack ( recommended by Peter Lederman of Sound-Smith) to clean my stylus after every side is played. > > Ram. > > From: Jayson Levitz > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > > Bala, > > Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test. After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove. This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. > > Jayson > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucidsound at ic24.net Sat May 18 22:17:01 2013 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (LucidSounD) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 21:17:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com><1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3@yahoo.com><1368786112.40193.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1368828969.7989.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8AADCA5C406344ECABC247A0FE819EA4@LucidPC> Linn used to give away a small strip of fine sandpaper to clean their styli with. Well, when I say sandpaper, it was actually 600 grit diamond lapping paper sourced from 3M. Strange how this went out of fashion. Me, I use one of those Audio Technica vibrating pad stylus cleaners. Does it for me. Lucid. From: Bala Ganesh Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 2:20 AM To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL So that the stylus feels tacky and picks up every nuance in the groove? Gosh that made my day! Nothing should touch the stylus, not especially the chemical agents in Blue-Tak. It's known to contain mineral oils and other agents that give it its properties to mould under pressure but remain solid otherwise. Stylus manufactures give soft brushes with their stylus. The ones from Audio Technica, LAST and Lyra's Stylus Performance Treatment all use very soft brushes that remove dirt and fibres lodged in the stylus and cantilever assembly. AT also mention about using the bristles and not the bristle tip to gently clean the stylus. Blu-Tak! LOL! Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 18/05/2013, at 8:16 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Jayson, so right you are. In fact I use blue tack ( recommended by Peter Lederman of Sound-Smith) to clean my stylus after every side is played. Ram. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL Bala, Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test. After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove. This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun May 19 01:45:32 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 09:45:32 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <8AADCA5C406344ECABC247A0FE819EA4@LucidPC> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3@yahoo.com> <1368786112.40193.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1368828969.7989.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8AADCA5C406344ECABC247A0FE819EA4@LucidPC> Message-ID: It seems to be just as out of fashion as ultra low tracking cartridges that used to track at 1 gram or even below. But the types of stylus profiles,cartridge constructions and thinking all reflected the methods. Then there were the cartridges with brushes at the tip that cleaned the cartridge and served as a damping system. Another quite interesting idea was wet playing where a record was played wet with water. There are still a couple of guys who do it although it seems to create more problems then it solves. They may work well for certain cartridges but newer cartridges and even older cartridges with newer stylii need a rethink on they are handles and cleaned. I am not here to advocate that cartridges need not be cleaned as frequently or the methods. From cleaning every side, I've got on to cleaning just twice or sometimes a couple more times during a session. A lot of things come into play here including the condition of the record, cleaning methods, equipment and environment. There's no good or bad but its all a function of the factors I stated and perhaps more. To return to my original post, analogue playback had come to the level where it isn't what it used to be. With the advances in materials, technology and more experience, so many of the problems we had with the media has been reduced. But the resulting sound and quality, plus the sheer longevity of the media greatly outweighs those problems. This hobby is an ends to a mean, not a means to an end. What works for me may not work for many others and vice versa. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 19/05/2013, at 6:17 AM, "LucidSounD" wrote: > Linn used to give away a small strip of fine sandpaper to clean their styli with. Well, when I say sandpaper, it was actually 600 grit diamond lapping paper sourced from 3M. Strange how this went out of fashion. > > Me, I use one of those Audio Technica vibrating pad stylus cleaners. Does it for me. > > Lucid. > > > > From: Bala Ganesh > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 2:20 AM > To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > > So that the stylus feels tacky and picks up every nuance in the groove? Gosh that made my day! > > Nothing should touch the stylus, not especially the chemical agents in Blue-Tak. It's known to contain mineral oils and other agents that give it its properties to mould under pressure but remain solid otherwise. > > Stylus manufactures give soft brushes with their stylus. The ones from Audio Technica, LAST and Lyra's Stylus Performance Treatment all use very soft brushes that remove dirt and fibres lodged in the stylus and cantilever assembly. AT also mention about using the bristles and not the bristle tip to gently clean the stylus. > > Blu-Tak! LOL! > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 18/05/2013, at 8:16 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Jayson, so right you are. In fact I use blue tack ( recommended by Peter Lederman of Sound-Smith) to clean my stylus after every side is played. >> >> Ram. >> >> From: Jayson Levitz >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL >> >> Bala, >> >> Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test. After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove. This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. >> >> Jayson >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Sun May 19 09:41:07 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 19:41:07 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0MMW009QWQT6N560@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5020CFD3787248D6836159BC46B8BD3E@emachinef0bb72> $5600 is for MX5050BIII-2 model. What is your MX5050 model number (BIII-2 or BII-2)? You can read this on the factory label at the rear panel. Regards, Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: goodguy To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL I have an Otari MX5050 which I bought from a guy whose father got it from a radio station where he was a broadcaster. It had less than 10 hours on it and I paid $500 for it. It once sold new for $5600 and it's probably the same model you can buy new as Kevin described. It is a great R2R and I love it. At 10:09 AM 5/16/2013, you wrote: There is no "revival" going on with R2R. What we have are baby boomers with money to spend. The average age of people in R2R is about 60. What going on are just more 'choices' to do with your decks....if you have the money. Unlike TT's which are relatively uncomplicated but require good machining, decks are rather complicated mechanical devices that require care & feeding. Their technology advanced into the 80's and flat-lined with the advent of digital use. The market share of real techs willing to work on them and keep them to spec is dwindling as they get older & die like the rest of us. There are no vocational courses anymore for magnetic tape and being an EE today is wholly different that what it was some 30 yrs ago even. A hobby "revival" would imply that you have new, younger people interested in a particular hobby. That just ain't so...as glorious as good R2R's are and their sound, they are dinosaurs in a very small niche market of audio. The present pro machines are doing duty in 'boutique studios'; studios that are selling to a certain range of customers that fancy the 'sound' of analog. I marvel at the true "revival" of TT's, but that seems to have some cool factor for young adults, most of which are attracted to those cheap USB TT's. But in this example, trickle-down works because the records keep coming and that allows for the high-end TT manufacturers to ply their craft....and advanced carts to go along with them. I'm told you can still order a new Otari for about $7,000, but you'd be much better off to just order an Ampex ATR unit setup for 1/4" tape, 2track. Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Kevin Fetner , "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: < 1368667728.34966.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Besides that, a two track machine can have a better construction as there isn't the restriction with regards to space. Akai's GX heads are Ferrite heads, similar to what Sony uses. Besides this, Akai's decks are designed to give incredible frequency response, even for a consumer deck. Spec-wise, a 7.5ips Akai deck should outperform a Revox B77 running at 15ips. But, this response comes at the expense of poor phase linearity. I personally find Akai's to have a poor lower end and sometimes a very 'nasal' sound - something that I find in decks that rock ferrite heads. I was told that Namamichi's heads were manufactured by either Kyocera or Canon. But I do know that Teac's permalloy heads were manufactured by Canon. Along with the heads, the general consensus with these companies was not on wideband frequency response or long lasting heads. To my ears, they sound more natural and definitely less coloured. But, every medium will leave its sonic footprint - be it cassettes, reel, vinyl, FM, mp3, FLAC, AAC and so on. They all will sound different and it really comes down to personal preference. For me, two-track reel at 15ips is the best at the moment. Nothing sounds more natural and relaxed than that. The soundstage painted by these is incredible although you need a good enough system to match and allow the material to shine through. I keep my vinyl recorded in various formats because each is like a cover version of the source. Let's listen to Herbie Hancock on cassette today..or lets rock a 2 track reel of Chick Corea this evening.. They will all colour the original source somewhat through various parameters. There's been a good revival with a few companies building new electronics for tape transports. The work they do is amazing and show's how much potential is still left in the flat brown stuff we call tape. At this is definitely not the end. As much as digital mastering has come leaps and bounds from its genesis in 1965, tape still keeps pushing the envelope and ups the ante. Every project I have done using tape sounds way much better and the resultant digital copy doesn't sound as good no matter what. It comes really really close though. 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Kevin ________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 03:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jayson Levitz Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID:     <1368786112.40193.YahooMailNeo at web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test.  After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove.  This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. Jayson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Sat May 18 19:32:49 2013 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:32:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Analog vs Digital In-Reply-To: <201305181008.r4IA7eg0018224@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <201305181907.r4IJ6XwK019268@zxe.naks.com> Gerhardt wrote: "Digitalized music is like a industrial plant forrest with trees every 4 feet after the next, and in one line. It is boring to walk in a forrest like this, same like to listen to music like this. It is boring to the brain, and makes brains not grow or learn anymore. It makes even the ears and the hearing parts of brains de-mount. Listen to chaotic world makes us feeling as part of the "Cosmos" Listen digital is like being a part of a community with more than enough rules, mathematics or straight line grown trees. There must not be a analogue revival. It helps anybody who is spending some energy to listen analogue." ======================================================================== I Agree. And to put in the simplest terms, is your brain analog or digital? Case closed. Rob Branson From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 18 23:08:02 2013 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:08:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <8AADCA5C406344ECABC247A0FE819EA4@LucidPC> References: <201305161015.r4GA7k67010798@zxe.naks.com> <1368713395.79373.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3@yahoo.com> <1368786112.40193.YahooMailNeo@web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1368828969.7989.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8AADCA5C406344ECABC247A0FE819EA4@LucidPC> Message-ID: <3E4EEAF1-B77D-4C1D-9ABA-387470AD7C5B@yahoo.com> Hi lucid, Whatever works. Better to follow your manufacturers recommendations. I follow Peter Lederman's, as he made my cart and stylus. To each his/ her own. All in all, like Jayson states , cleaning is mandatory after playing of every side every time rather than not cleaning at all as someone suggested earlier ! Ram Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2013, at 4:17 PM, "LucidSounD" wrote: > Linn used to give away a small strip of fine sandpaper to clean their styli with. Well, when I say sandpaper, it was actually 600 grit diamond lapping paper sourced from 3M. Strange how this went out of fashion. > > Me, I use one of those Audio Technica vibrating pad stylus cleaners. Does it for me. > > Lucid. > > > > From: Bala Ganesh > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 2:20 AM > To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL > > So that the stylus feels tacky and picks up every nuance in the groove? Gosh that made my day! > > Nothing should touch the stylus, not especially the chemical agents in Blue-Tak. It's known to contain mineral oils and other agents that give it its properties to mould under pressure but remain solid otherwise. > > Stylus manufactures give soft brushes with their stylus. The ones from Audio Technica, LAST and Lyra's Stylus Performance Treatment all use very soft brushes that remove dirt and fibres lodged in the stylus and cantilever assembly. AT also mention about using the bristles and not the bristle tip to gently clean the stylus. > > Blu-Tak! LOL! > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 18/05/2013, at 8:16 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Jayson, so right you are. In fact I use blue tack ( recommended by Peter Lederman of Sound-Smith) to clean my stylus after every side is played. >> >> Ram. >> >> From: Jayson Levitz >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL >> >> Bala, >> >> Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test. After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove. This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. >> >> Jayson >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And to put in the simplest terms, is your brain analog or digital? > > Case closed. > > Rob Branson > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 20 11:23:51 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 02:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1368801073.61782.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305171312.r4HD5137014950@zxe.naks.com> <1368801073.61782.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369041831.39139.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin,  Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there.  Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation.  Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences will vary from mine and I respect that. But I am putting here in words what my experiences and observations are. There's no reason to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.  You'd think I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig.  BG ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL I couldn't disagree with you more. What's left of R2R is supported and propped by aging baby boomers like myself. And the well heeled of us dabble in external electronics for extraordinary analog sound. Hardly a trend or a "revival". It's a dying hobby and the younger generations look at it like a roadhouse show for antiques. Nobody is making prosumer decks for homeowners except as I mentioned, Otari on special order. If you want to know how many decks Otari makes a yr, give them a call-you'll be sadly disappointed. Hobby enthusiasts are simply restoring what's already out there. A Ampex ATR 102 set up for 1/4" tape and 2track is hardly a "24-track beast". You often tend to run to the hysterical with exaggerated points. You also belittle the number of young people with cheap USB TT's and the primary reason so many music groups are issuing real records to support them, not to mention the 180gr re-issue albums designed for them and for us baby boomers. You also don't seem to get the fact that by comparison, making a TT is a walk in the park compared to manufacturing a top-tier R2R deck. If it were that easy and the interest was there, they'd be making new decks, rather than just refurbishing them. Plus the world's supply of record/playback heads are dwindling dangerously. If someone doesn't step up to the plate soon and re-manufacture them, the NOS supply will run out in the near future. You can only relap a head so many times and it's not always optimal anyway, because they're isn't always globs of material to work with on prosumer decks, unlike their big brother studio decks. No new heads will eventually mean; R2R=museum. You also conveniently ignored my point about techs to work on R2R decks. They are quite literally, a dying breed. And the hobby enthusiast isn't going to put out $2,000+ in used test and alignment equipment to keep their decks to spec. Nor are the going to 'feel their way' into the in & outs of bias & equalization settings, head and transport alignment, repairing/replacing aging electronics, lubing motors and solenoids etc, etc. You can't have a "revival" of any kind without the techs to support it and as I said, there is no new training in magnetic tape for techs in prosumer decks.  As with any pursuit that potentially involves $$$, snake oil will become standard fare. I wasn't supporting boutique studios or external electronics, just mentioning then in passing as 'choices' out there for the well-heeled. The Otari MX5050and the Technics 1500/1700 are the very foundation for The Tape Project/Bottle Neck external electronic modification series. I think they do a good job, although their prices are overblown for what you get. Yes, the Otari was the cornerstone of 'tank' R2R's in radio stations, not for recording famous music like the Studer and Ampex machines did. Great workhorse deck, with average electronics.  It's all a matter of prospective though and how much you are willing to spend. Sorry to be such a pragmatist when it comes to R2R, but it's better than offering a bunch of fluff dialog about a "revival" of R2R. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25:39 +1000 From: Bala Ganesh Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Kevin Fetner ,    Talk about Nakamichi Cassette     Decks Message-ID: <9A00F904-9669-4FBA-AA8A-E3B1B706ADE3 at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therein lies the difference. The more visible aspect of R2R does suggest it being driven by baby boomers and some wanting to dabble. But with new electronics being still designed and made, new heads,rebuilt transports and enough commercial viability to drive two new manufacturers from the ashes of old ones, this is definitely a revival. While, there's much more variety with R2R, its horses for causes. I wouldn't need a 24- track beast in my house though that two tracker might not suffice for a major studio. And of course, Abbey Road still maintains their STUDERs. The number of the USB powered garbage is really small, compared to the number of real turntables out there. Most people spinning vinyl quickly realise what these are and smarten up to the real deal. With the difference in drive types, suspensions, overall mass, arm types ( fancy rocking unipivots?), cartridges of varying stylii profiles, generator technologies and compliances, I would hardly call it uncomplicated. A well set up turntable, as of today, still trumps pricier digital setup. The cool factor plus the wonderful artwork is a bonus. As with any other industry, there's a lot of snake oil. Boutique manufactures have also crept into the turntable scene with equipment that's high on price factor but robs me of enjoying music. You can easily spot these with their poor aftermarket resale value and demand. Analogue tape, be it reel or cassette, still sounds immensely wonderful when done right. With good tape, and correctly serviced decks, I have no reason to clean heads or tape drop outs frequently. Just as how I seldom clean my stylus because my records are kept clean and the system setup correctly. Side by side, I rock a Apple TV and PLEX media centre setup with hi def audio through a DAC. It doesn't surprise me though how many of my colleagues and friends who visit me are taken aback when the 'retro' vinyl cakes the hi def digital setup. 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URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Sun May 19 12:07:03 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 03:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1368883661.50497.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305181014.r4IA7eg1018224@zxe.naks.com> <1368883661.50497.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1368958023.54323.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Kevin, I heard about this.  The people I spoke to do not like it.  You are using the same cleaning medium over and over again, and it becomes contaminated.  How does that clean you stylus?  You should used fresh cleaning medium each time.  Jayson ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL Jayson, Members over on VE(vinyl engine) are raving about Mr.Clean Original Magic Eraser for stylus tip cleaning. You're supposed to gently lower your tip onto the Eraser like three times and you're done. Never tried it myself, but the testimonials are amazing. No rubbing...just lower and then lift three times or so. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 03:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jayson Levitz Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID:     <1368786112.40193.YahooMailNeo at web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ideally, a stylus should be cleaned after every playing of one side of a record, even if that record has been cleaned by a high-end cleaning machine. Try this test.  After one playing, use a high power magnifying glass and look at your stylus. You will see small pieces of dust clinging to it that the stylus picked up while being in contact with every record groove.  This dust must be removed from the stylus before playing another record, since it can harm the delicate grooves, no matter how correctly set up the arm is or how light the tracking force of the arm. Jayson ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun May 19 16:44:32 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 07:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <201305191016.r4JA7e9w017724@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305191016.r4JA7e9w017724@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1368974672.81872.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have used the water method for some 40+ yrs. It's a modified method which includes a Dust Bug and only fresh, distilled water. I wouldn't recommend it though, because playing the same records dry seems to cause considerable surface noise. You could even say your records become 'addicted' to the water tracking. I read that the small particles of vinyl get stuck to the grooves after the water dries and water again stirs them up....so there is no real cleaning solution going on. My advice is that while water works, don't start doing it. Also, if you live in humid climates the records have to be dried before re-sleeving or you'll get mold. It would be interesting to commensurate with someone using water tracking AND a RCM, as I just use the old Discwasher products, including the Zerostat. As to the continuation of fluff and hyperbole on the R2R "revival", the two 'rise of the Phoenix' manufacturers mentioned, could only be RMGI and ATR. RMGI make R2R tape solely. ATR makes tapes and refurbishes Ampex series 100 R2R machines. You could do no better in a R2R unless you have a refurbished Studer. Then it's one type of sound against another and both machines have recorded the analog music out there that we all know and love today. And even with the two companies making R2R tape, the hobby is still dying. As I said before, you can't support a hobby without good, experienced techs and they are dwindling. Like in any hobby there are the collection-ist; people whose passion is just to collect and then the reveal. They don't really care if their decks work or are even close to spec. They're in it just for the collecting and the reveal. In my group which has 3000 members, there are guys that have over 30 decks(some have hundreds) and they are lucky if they can make one decent recording. I can't really condemn them, because they are keeping the machines from a landfill date, where most decks have gone anyway. But it IS a sort of hording nonetheless and prevents others from enjoying the hobby now. But as with most things, what goes around, comes around. These people die and/or run out of room, making the machines available again. There has been a rise of sons and daughters selling machines that were their father's on ebay. I would expect this trend to continue/accelerate and I would also urge fellow Nak enthusiasts to get real about their own mortality and figure out what happens to your decks/equipment when you pass. Don't expect your family to just 'take care of it'....do some advance planning where your decks/equipment will do the most good for the hobby.....if you even care.  Kevin ________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 09:45:32 +1000 From: Bala Ganesh Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It seems to be just as out of fashion as ultra low tracking cartridges that used to track at 1 gram or even below. But the types of stylus profiles,cartridge constructions and thinking all reflected the methods. Then there were the cartridges with brushes at the tip that cleaned the cartridge and served as a damping system. Another quite interesting idea was wet playing where a record was played wet with water. There are still a couple of guys who do it although it seems to create more problems then it solves. They may work well for certain cartridges but newer cartridges and even older cartridges with newer stylii need a rethink on they are handles and cleaned. I am not here to advocate that cartridges need not be cleaned as frequently or the methods. From cleaning every side, I've got on to cleaning just twice or sometimes a couple more times during a session. A lot of things come into play here including the condition of the record, cleaning methods, equipment and environment. There's no good or bad but its all a function of the factors I stated and perhaps more. To return to my original post, analogue playback had come to the level where it isn't what it used to be. With the advances in materials, technology and more experience, so many of the problems we had with the media has been reduced. But the resulting sound and quality, plus the sheer longevity of the media greatly outweighs those problems. This hobby is an ends to a mean, not a means to an end. 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Throw the square away after you are finished with all the new territory. If you were really anal, you could mark rows on each side with a Sharpie(ends only) and use it that way. Finish all your rows, throw the square away-simple. It's still wholly cost effective, although there is some labor involved cutting & marking. The vinyl 'purists' say to clean your tip after every record side. If you are recording off vinyl, I say this is accurate. Oh and follow the Eraser method with a dry brush designed for stylus care, because some said using a high power magnifier they could see some fiber from the Eraser. I have a conventional microscope that I occasionally use to check stylus wear. A pocket microscope of about 50X works for most. I even read about an old trick of cuing your stylus down on small pieces of Silly Putty....if you think about it when you were a kid, the stuff attracts any kind of dirt and holds onto it. In fact, that's what ruins most Silly Putty eventually;dirt contamination....... Kevin ________________________________ Kevin, I heard about this.  The people I spoke to do not like it.  You are using the same cleaning medium over and over again, and it becomes contaminated.  How does that clean you stylus?  You should used fresh cleaning medium each time.  Jayson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon May 20 18:42:30 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Analog vs Digital In-Reply-To: <201305181907.r4IJ6XwK019268@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305181008.r4IA7eg0018224@zxe.naks.com> <201305181907.r4IJ6XwK019268@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1369068150.39451.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Digitalized  music is like a industrial plant forrest with trees every 4 feet after the next, and in one line. I fail to see the equivalence. Digitized music can be stored or transmitted, but NOT actually heard . You can only hear it after it has been turned back into analog music. At that point it has suffered through the double transformation (analog to digital, than digital to analog) if (and  ONLY if) the parameters for these transformations were not chosen for best reproduction quality. 24bit/192kHZ trounces any analog recording methods known to man, in EVERY quality related property. > is your brain analog or digital? The brain is digital (the 'logic system' is discrete and mostly binary). The hearing process is analog at the front end (ears and auditory canal) and discrete at the nervous system interface (organ of corti in the inner ear). All this has absolutely nothing to do with comparison of digital to analog recordings. Of course, the above is high school material and very superficial. There is much information, if you wish to spend time reading before comparing 'digital music' to trees. -- Ron ----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: RSB >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:32 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Analog vs Digital > > > >Gerhardt wrote: > >"Digitalized  music is like a industrial plant forrest with trees  >every 4 feet after the next, and in one line. > >It is boring  to walk in a forrest like this, same like to listen to  >music like this. > >It is boring to the brain, and makes  brains  not grow or learn  >anymore. > >It makes even the ears and the  hearing  parts of brains  de-mount. > >Listen to chaotic world  makes us  feeling as  part of the  "Cosmos" > >Listen digital is like being a part  of a community  with more than  >enough rules, mathematics or straight  line grown trees. > >There must not be a  analogue revival. >  It helps anybody who  is  spending  some energy  to listen analogue." >======================================================================== >I Agree.  And to put in the simplest terms, is your brain analog or digital? > >Case closed. > >Rob Branson > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've seen it redefined in places like yahoo!, but it's only to enhance the numbers. It doesn't matter where and how much USB TT's are being sold for, it's the numbers. They bring in younger generations back to vinyl. In America and England there's no "I suppose" about it; R2R is propped and supported by baby boomer aged people, chiefly. As I said, my R2R group is 3000 strong and includes past and present EE's who have worked at radio stations with tape for generations and past studio engineers who have actually helped record the music we know and love today. I consider this a very reasonable sampling of the hobby, at least in the US and England. In Asia and Western Europe, I can't speak for their numbers except that there are NO new decks being manufactured there either. And on the group we know of no entity making heads-my point about a finite number of NOS heads out there. Furthermore as I said previously, it takes about $2,000 in used test and alignment tapes to bring a sophisticated R2R back to spec. And even if a well-heeled collector spends this, where does he get his training and experience? How many good Nak techs are there left(?)...in the States we have a half dozen or so within 313 million people. Do you see this as a trend or "revival" of cassette interest? Prices on ebay and such don't reflect numbers. If anything they are high now and remain high due to scarcity, which equates to supply & demand. I've been watching decks for sale on ebay for the last 15yrs. The better, more famous brands now are bringing ridiculous prices for what you get. In almost every case, the decks sold need another $500 or so in them just to bring them to spec. And that's assuming nothing is broken or missing. Yet on places like craigslist, R2R prices are incredibly low for the most part...I've seen Studer decks go for $150-the same deck on ebay would list for over $1,000.  We have a few full-time techs in our group that just repair R2R's. Their stories are legion about the 'ebay decks' they try to bring back to life and what was initially claimed in the auction by the seller. We even joke about the terms used like;'mint', 'miny', 'excellent', 'plays flawlessly', 'excellent condition', 'played perferctly last time I used it'. And my two personal favorite;'plugs in and lights come on', 'I have no way to test, but excellent condition'.In the early yrs, I too was a victim of lying, unscrupulous sellers. Look at Naks on ebay;what the seller claims and what the buyer usually receives. I never said that baby boomers were the only folks in R2R, but clearly the majority and the ones with the cash to keep the decks going. Like it or not, it's just simple demographics and the folks therein that support the hobby. Even with that, the numbers are unremarkable in the total market share of present audio and shrinking. And the same kind of people are the ones buying the VPI TT's and others of their equal as well. Except that in records I would consent to an actual "revival" and said so previously for my reasons given. Home theater has taken America by storm for many yrs now and a very different animal than high-end audio. I'm not sure what your age point is about, because over 70 yrs old is even a smaller market share and almost negligible by the numbers. I do know that in Spain and some other Euro countries, R2R is a respected symbol of audio status. We have Euro members desperate for parts, any parts...especially for US decks. No disrespect intended in any of this, just sorting through all the fluff & hyperbole about a "revival" of R2R that's not happening here, not by the numbers. Kevin ________________________________ Hi Kevin,  Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there. Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation.  Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences will vary from mine and I respect that. But I am putting here in words what my experiences and observations are. There's no reason to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.You'd think I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig.  BG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davepogue at comcast.net Tue May 21 14:26:40 2013 From: davepogue at comcast.net (David Pogue) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 08:26:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "What's left of RTR" and tape in general. Message-ID: <005C7867-BA34-4F23-ACEE-B103780F4BF7@comcast.net> In my experience, one's own frame of reference is only that. Mine suggests that there is indeed a small renaissance underway in tape media. People who find out, heaven knows where, that I have R2R and cassette decks (Otari, Tascam, and Revox in the former case, NAK BX300 in the latter) keep seeking me out, asking questions, and then getting into these niche marketplaces. I have no way of knowing, but most of them, if not all, are under 40. One of them ended up with more than half a dozen R2R machines (mostly Otari, but also Technics, Tascam, and Teac). These are people who have zero tapes to begin with. A few years ago, Ebay listed about 4,000 R2R tapes for sale or auction on any given day. Now there are more than 6,000. I never used to see tape decks at audio shows. Now there are at least 3-4 at any given show. Big deal? Hardly. But a modestly growing phenomenon, not a declining one. The Otari MX5050 BII2 that I own, now playing through Kara Chafee's outstanding deHavilland 222 tape head preamp, sounded better than any deck I ever had, and not be a small margin, even before I got the 222. And I had some decent machines. The last, best one was a Teac X1000R, and the Otari slaughtered it. Dave Pogue From tr463rsb at comcast.net Tue May 21 22:24:25 2013 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:24:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Analog vs Digital (Ron) In-Reply-To: <201305211008.r4LA7Zhu024998@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <201305212159.r4LLwZge026482@zxe.naks.com> > is your brain analog or digital? The brain is digital (the 'logic system' is discrete and mostly binary). The hearing process is analog at the front end (ears and auditory canal) and discrete at the nervous system interface (organ of corti in the inner ear). All this has absolutely nothing to do with comparison of digital to analog recordings. Of course, the above is high school material and very superficial. There is much information, if you wish to spend time reading before comparing 'digital music' to trees. -- Ron Disagree - all aspects of interaction with the natural world are by default analog. There is no "digital processor" in the brain and if you find it somewhere (maybe wired into the cerebral cortex?, please let us know. We are not computers, at least as we remain naturally created, for now. And that's why while some may not be able to explain clearly, analog reproduction is more "natural". http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/02/analog_or_digital/ rob From josephjean at verizon.net Tue May 21 22:39:23 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:39:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "What's left of RTR" and tape in general. In-Reply-To: <005C7867-BA34-4F23-ACEE-B103780F4BF7@comcast.net> References: <005C7867-BA34-4F23-ACEE-B103780F4BF7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0MN600D6W1DM1690@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> It's funny to see you hear Dave because I bought my Otarimx505 MKIII based on your recommendations and have been thrilled with its performance. At 08:26 AM 5/21/2013, you wrote: >In my experience, one's own frame of reference is only that. Mine >suggests that there is indeed a small renaissance underway in tape >media. People who find out, heaven knows where, that I have R2R and >cassette decks (Otari, Tascam, and Revox in the former case, NAK >BX300 in the latter) keep seeking me out, asking questions, and then >getting into these niche marketplaces. I have no way of knowing, >but most of them, if not all, are under 40. > >One of them ended up with more than half a dozen R2R machines >(mostly Otari, but also Technics, Tascam, and Teac). These are >people who have zero tapes to begin with. A few years ago, Ebay >listed about 4,000 R2R tapes for sale or auction on any given >day. Now there are more than 6,000. I never used to see tape decks >at audio shows. Now there are at least 3-4 at any given show. Big >deal? Hardly. But a modestly growing phenomenon, not a declining one. > >The Otari MX5050 BII2 that I own, now playing through Kara Chafee's >outstanding deHavilland 222 tape head preamp, sounded better than >any deck I ever had, and not be a small margin, even before I got >the 222. And I had some decent machines. The last, best one was a >Teac X1000R, and the Otari slaughtered it. > >Dave Pogue >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 22 02:46:56 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, Most of us are aware of the baby boomers. While from your frame and environment, it's USB TTs thats bringing back the young ones. Of course, from where I look, and being closer in age to these people, the situation is very different. While baby boomers have been the back-bone in the boom (pun not intended) of the R2Rs, they are enjoying a come back with people wanting to put money to getting them back to specs, new media, and seriously listening to them. There are always going to be numbers who into it for the vintage feel or for the moment though and that happens in most things. My kids enjoyed watching Judy Garland's Wizard of Oz. If not for the knowledge passed down that allowed for the film to be restored and kept, it would have gone the way countless classics would have gone - literally into celluloid powder. What happens is that for the art of R2R to be preserved and the knowledge passed down so that the next generation of enthusiasts can keep it going. I benefited from many such knowledgeable people who passed on their know how that has  helped me so much. Some countries bring used cassette decks in terms of pallets - you head that right..PALLETS. They used to do exclusive buying trips for reel to reel and other similar equipment and brought home container loads of these stuff. There's enough growth to keep two manufacturers alive. Perhaps there are people deluding themselves into thinking that this is a dying trade and perhaps best buried along with the sands of time. That's absolutely wrong and a great disservice to the trade that 'brought home the bacon'. What needs to be done is for knowledge to be documented and parts made available so that prices of service and parts are kept at a sane level. The knowledge needs to be put out there and liberated (isn't that what baby-boomers fought for?) so that it reaches every level. BG ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Bala, I suppose we should define "baby boomer" then. I am at the bottom end-60 this July. My oldest brother is at the top end and is presently70. This was the peace/love generation in America growing up and so if you are younger or older than that you weren't part of it. I've seen it redefined in places like yahoo!, but it's only to enhance the numbers. It doesn't matter where and how much USB TT's are being sold for, it's the numbers. They bring in younger generations back to vinyl. In America and England there's no "I suppose" about it; R2R is propped and supported by baby boomer aged people, chiefly. As I said, my R2R group is 3000 strong and includes past and present EE's who have worked at radio stations with tape for generations and past studio engineers who have actually helped record the music we know and love today. I consider this a very reasonable sampling of the hobby, at least in the US and England. In Asia and Western Europe, I can't speak for their numbers except that there are NO new decks being manufactured there either. And on the group we know of no entity making heads-my point about a finite number of NOS heads out there. Furthermore as I said previously, it takes about $2,000 in used test and alignment tapes to bring a sophisticated R2R back to spec. And even if a well-heeled collector spends this, where does he get his training and experience? How many good Nak techs are there left(?)...in the States we have a half dozen or so within 313 million people. Do you see this as a trend or "revival" of cassette interest? Prices on ebay and such don't reflect numbers. If anything they are high now and remain high due to scarcity, which equates to supply & demand. I've been watching decks for sale on ebay for the last 15yrs. The better, more famous brands now are bringing ridiculous prices for what you get. In almost every case, the decks sold need another $500 or so in them just to bring them to spec. And that's assuming nothing is broken or missing. Yet on places like craigslist, R2R prices are incredibly low for the most part...I've seen Studer decks go for $150-the same deck on ebay would list for over $1,000.  We have a few full-time techs in our group that just repair R2R's. Their stories are legion about the 'ebay decks' they try to bring back to life and what was initially claimed in the auction by the seller. We even joke about the terms used like;'mint', 'miny', 'excellent', 'plays flawlessly', 'excellent condition', 'played perferctly last time I used it'. And my two personal favorite;'plugs in and lights come on', 'I have no way to test, but excellent condition'. In the early yrs, I too was a victim of lying, unscrupulous sellers. Look at Naks on ebay;what the seller claims and what the buyer usually receives. I never said that baby boomers were the only folks in R2R, but clearly the majority and the ones with the cash to keep the decks going. Like it or not, it's just simple demographics and the folks therein that support the hobby. Even with that, the numbers are unremarkable in the total market share of present audio and shrinking. And the same kind of people are the ones buying the VPI TT's and others of their equal as well. Except that in records I would consent to an actual "revival" and said so previously for my reasons given. Home theater has taken America by storm for many yrs now and a very different animal than high-end audio. I'm not sure what your age point is about, because over 70 yrs old is even a smaller market share and almost negligible by the numbers. I do know that in Spain and some other Euro countries, R2R is a respected symbol of audio status. We have Euro members desperate for parts, any parts...especially for US decks. No disrespect intended in any of this, just sorting through all the fluff & hyperbole about a "revival" of R2R that's not happening here, not by the numbers. Kevin ________________________________ Hi Kevin,  Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there. Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation.  Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences will vary from mine and I respect that. But I am putting here in words what my experiences and observations are. There's no reason to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.You'd think I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig.  BG ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 22 02:46:56 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, Most of us are aware of the baby boomers. While from your frame and environment, it's USB TTs thats bringing back the young ones. Of course, from where I look, and being closer in age to these people, the situation is very different. While baby boomers have been the back-bone in the boom (pun not intended) of the R2Rs, they are enjoying a come back with people wanting to put money to getting them back to specs, new media, and seriously listening to them. There are always going to be numbers who into it for the vintage feel or for the moment though and that happens in most things. My kids enjoyed watching Judy Garland's Wizard of Oz. If not for the knowledge passed down that allowed for the film to be restored and kept, it would have gone the way countless classics would have gone - literally into celluloid powder. What happens is that for the art of R2R to be preserved and the knowledge passed down so that the next generation of enthusiasts can keep it going. I benefited from many such knowledgeable people who passed on their know how that has  helped me so much. Some countries bring used cassette decks in terms of pallets - you head that right..PALLETS. They used to do exclusive buying trips for reel to reel and other similar equipment and brought home container loads of these stuff. There's enough growth to keep two manufacturers alive. Perhaps there are people deluding themselves into thinking that this is a dying trade and perhaps best buried along with the sands of time. That's absolutely wrong and a great disservice to the trade that 'brought home the bacon'. What needs to be done is for knowledge to be documented and parts made available so that prices of service and parts are kept at a sane level. The knowledge needs to be put out there and liberated (isn't that what baby-boomers fought for?) so that it reaches every level. BG ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Bala, I suppose we should define "baby boomer" then. I am at the bottom end-60 this July. My oldest brother is at the top end and is presently70. This was the peace/love generation in America growing up and so if you are younger or older than that you weren't part of it. I've seen it redefined in places like yahoo!, but it's only to enhance the numbers. It doesn't matter where and how much USB TT's are being sold for, it's the numbers. They bring in younger generations back to vinyl. In America and England there's no "I suppose" about it; R2R is propped and supported by baby boomer aged people, chiefly. As I said, my R2R group is 3000 strong and includes past and present EE's who have worked at radio stations with tape for generations and past studio engineers who have actually helped record the music we know and love today. I consider this a very reasonable sampling of the hobby, at least in the US and England. In Asia and Western Europe, I can't speak for their numbers except that there are NO new decks being manufactured there either. And on the group we know of no entity making heads-my point about a finite number of NOS heads out there. Furthermore as I said previously, it takes about $2,000 in used test and alignment tapes to bring a sophisticated R2R back to spec. And even if a well-heeled collector spends this, where does he get his training and experience? How many good Nak techs are there left(?)...in the States we have a half dozen or so within 313 million people. Do you see this as a trend or "revival" of cassette interest? Prices on ebay and such don't reflect numbers. If anything they are high now and remain high due to scarcity, which equates to supply & demand. I've been watching decks for sale on ebay for the last 15yrs. The better, more famous brands now are bringing ridiculous prices for what you get. In almost every case, the decks sold need another $500 or so in them just to bring them to spec. And that's assuming nothing is broken or missing. Yet on places like craigslist, R2R prices are incredibly low for the most part...I've seen Studer decks go for $150-the same deck on ebay would list for over $1,000.  We have a few full-time techs in our group that just repair R2R's. Their stories are legion about the 'ebay decks' they try to bring back to life and what was initially claimed in the auction by the seller. We even joke about the terms used like;'mint', 'miny', 'excellent', 'plays flawlessly', 'excellent condition', 'played perferctly last time I used it'. And my two personal favorite;'plugs in and lights come on', 'I have no way to test, but excellent condition'. In the early yrs, I too was a victim of lying, unscrupulous sellers. Look at Naks on ebay;what the seller claims and what the buyer usually receives. I never said that baby boomers were the only folks in R2R, but clearly the majority and the ones with the cash to keep the decks going. Like it or not, it's just simple demographics and the folks therein that support the hobby. Even with that, the numbers are unremarkable in the total market share of present audio and shrinking. And the same kind of people are the ones buying the VPI TT's and others of their equal as well. Except that in records I would consent to an actual "revival" and said so previously for my reasons given. Home theater has taken America by storm for many yrs now and a very different animal than high-end audio. I'm not sure what your age point is about, because over 70 yrs old is even a smaller market share and almost negligible by the numbers. I do know that in Spain and some other Euro countries, R2R is a respected symbol of audio status. We have Euro members desperate for parts, any parts...especially for US decks. No disrespect intended in any of this, just sorting through all the fluff & hyperbole about a "revival" of R2R that's not happening here, not by the numbers. Kevin ________________________________ Hi Kevin,  Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there. Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation.  Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences will vary from mine and I respect that. But I am putting here in words what my experiences and observations are. There's no reason to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.You'd think I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig.  BG ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 22 04:27:03 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:27:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <2BF6011F-D554-406D-9C13-4C987C463D17@gmail.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2BF6011F-D554-406D-9C13-4C987C463D17@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60FC0BE6-64E1-47E9-8FEE-3F2811A3770A@yahoo.com> That's my experience too Cyrus. People who decide to rip vinyl usually go for a better rig because USB turntables are so badly executed. The great thing about vinyl is the sheer number of choices. With used but really great machines and new tech marvels coming out, there is so many to pick from. Bg Sent from my iPhone On 22/05/2013, at 11:39 AM, Cyrus Shirali wrote: > USB TTs, not me or anyone of my friends use one (I'm 30). I have spotted one once, but they just seem to plastic and flimsy. Nor the drivers for them would would convert the A/D to any worthy rates. ( I could be wrong though) . That's if your intention for using them are to rip vinyls. I'd much prefer a high quality stand alone A/D converter to go into. I have been using techs 1210s most of my life, mainly because I would Dj with them, and they feel great when mixing and scratching. A few years back I wanted to invest in a vestax "vinyl burner" where u can actually create your own vinyls for my mixes. there were limitations though, and it wasn't cheap either. > > There has defiantly has been a revival towards vinyl in the last decade +. > I still buy newly printed vinyl from artists. But there are those rare pressings that people search for. Kinda like baseball cards back in the day when they were cool. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 21, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> >> Hi Kevin, >> >> Most of us are aware of the baby boomers. >> >> While from your frame and environment, it's USB TTs thats bringing back the young ones. Of course, from where I look, and being closer in age to these people, the situation is very different. >> >> While baby boomers have been the back-bone in the boom (pun not intended) of the R2Rs, they are enjoying a come back with people wanting to put money to getting them back to specs, new media, and seriously listening to them. There are always going to be numbers who into it for the vintage feel or for the moment though and that happens in most things. >> >> My kids enjoyed watching Judy Garland's Wizard of Oz. If not for the knowledge passed down that allowed for the film to be restored and kept, it would have gone the way countless classics would have gone - literally into celluloid powder. What happens is that for the art of R2R to be preserved and the knowledge passed down so that the next generation of enthusiasts can keep it going. I benefited from many such knowledgeable people who passed on their know how that has helped me so much. >> Some countries bring used cassette decks in terms of pallets - you head that right..PALLETS. They used to do exclusive buying trips for reel to reel and other similar equipment and brought home container loads of these stuff. There's enough growth to keep two manufacturers alive. Perhaps there are people deluding themselves into thinking that this is a dying trade and perhaps best buried along with the sands of time. That's absolutely wrong and a great disservice to the trade that 'brought home the bacon'. >> >> What needs to be done is for knowledge to be documented and parts made available so that prices of service and parts are kept at a sane level. The knowledge needs to be put out there and liberated (isn't that what baby-boomers fought for?) so that it reaches every level. >> >> BG >> From: Kevin Fetner >> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:46 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL >> >> Bala, >> I suppose we should define "baby boomer" then. I am at the bottom end-60 this July. My oldest brother is at the top end and is presently70. This was the peace/love generation in America growing up and so if you are younger or older than that you weren't part of it. I've seen it redefined in places like yahoo!, but it's only to enhance the numbers. >> >> It doesn't matter where and how much USB TT's are being sold for, it's the numbers. They bring in younger generations back to vinyl. In America and England there's no "I suppose" about it; R2R is propped and supported by baby boomer aged people, chiefly. As I said, my R2R group is 3000 strong and includes past and present EE's who have worked at radio stations with tape for generations and past studio engineers who have actually helped record the music we know and love today. I consider this a very reasonable sampling of the hobby, at least in the US and England. In Asia and Western Europe, I can't speak for their numbers except that there are NO new decks being manufactured there either. And on the group we know of no entity making heads-my point about a finite number of NOS heads out there. >> >> Furthermore as I said previously, it takes about $2,000 in used test and alignment tapes to bring a sophisticated R2R back to spec. And even if a well-heeled collector spends this, where does he get his training and experience? How many good Nak techs are there left(?)...in the States we have a half dozen or so within 313 million people. Do you see this as a trend or "revival" of cassette interest? Prices on ebay and such don't reflect numbers. If anything they are high now and remain high due to scarcity, which equates to supply & demand. I've been watching decks for sale on ebay for the last 15yrs. The better, more famous brands now are bringing ridiculous prices for what you get. In almost every case, the decks sold need another $500 or so in them just to bring them to spec. And that's assuming nothing is broken or missing. Yet on places like craigslist, R2R prices are incredibly low for the most part...I've seen Studer decks go for $150-the same deck on ebay would list for over $1,000. We have a few full-time techs in our group that just repair R2R's. Their stories are legion about the 'ebay decks' they try to bring back to life and what was initially claimed in the auction by the seller. We even joke about the terms used like;'mint', 'miny', 'excellent', 'plays flawlessly', 'excellent condition', 'played perferctly last time I used it'. And my two personal favorite;'plugs in and lights come on', 'I have no way to test, but excellent condition'. In the early yrs, I too was a victim of lying, unscrupulous sellers. Look at Naks on ebay;what the seller claims and what the buyer usually receives. >> >> I never said that baby boomers were the only folks in R2R, but clearly the majority and the ones with the cash to keep the decks going. Like it or not, it's just simple demographics and the folks therein that support the hobby. Even with that, the numbers are unremarkable in the total market share of present audio and shrinking. And the same kind of people are the ones buying the VPI TT's and others of their equal as well. Except that in records I would consent to an actual "revival" and said so previously for my reasons given. Home theater has taken America by storm for many yrs now and a very different animal than high-end audio. I'm not sure what your age point is about, because over 70 yrs old is even a smaller market share and almost negligible by the numbers. I do know that in Spain and some other Euro countries, R2R is a respected symbol of audio status. We have Euro members desperate for parts, any parts...especially for US decks. No disrespect intended in any of this, just sorting through all the fluff & hyperbole about a "revival" of R2R that's not happening here, not by the numbers. >> >> Kevin >> >> Hi Kevin, >> >> Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the >> gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB >> turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar >> store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there. >> Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very >> high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my >> age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. >> But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do >> suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their >> spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be >> splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation. >> >> Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences >> will vary from mine and I respect that. But I am putting here in words what my experiences and observations are. There's no reason >> to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.You'd think >> I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig. >> >> BG >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Wed May 22 03:39:17 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 21:39:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2BF6011F-D554-406D-9C13-4C987C463D17@gmail.com> USB TTs, not me or anyone of my friends use one (I'm 30). I have spotted one once, but they just seem to plastic and flimsy. Nor the drivers for them would would convert the A/D to any worthy rates. ( I could be wrong though) . That's if your intention for using them are to rip vinyls. I'd much prefer a high quality stand alone A/D converter to go into. I have been using techs 1210s most of my life, mainly because I would Dj with them, and they feel great when mixing and scratching. A few years back I wanted to invest in a vestax "vinyl burner" where u can actually create your own vinyls for my mixes. there were limitations though, and it wasn't cheap either. There has defiantly has been a revival towards vinyl in the last decade +. I still buy newly printed vinyl from artists. But there are those rare pressings that people search for. Kinda like baseball cards back in the day when they were cool. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Kevin, > > Most of us are aware of the baby boomers. > > While from your frame and environment, it's USB TTs thats bringing back the young ones. Of course, from where I look, and being closer in age to these people, the situation is very different. > > While baby boomers have been the back-bone in the boom (pun not intended) of the R2Rs, they are enjoying a come back with people wanting to put money to getting them back to specs, new media, and seriously listening to them. There are always going to be numbers who into it for the vintage feel or for the moment though and that happens in most things. > > My kids enjoyed watching Judy Garland's Wizard of Oz. If not for the knowledge passed down that allowed for the film to be restored and kept, it would have gone the way countless classics would have gone - literally into celluloid powder. What happens is that for the art of R2R to be preserved and the knowledge passed down so that the next generation of enthusiasts can keep it going. I benefited from many such knowledgeable people who passed on their know how that has helped me so much. > Some countries bring used cassette decks in terms of pallets - you head that right..PALLETS. They used to do exclusive buying trips for reel to reel and other similar equipment and brought home container loads of these stuff. There's enough growth to keep two manufacturers alive. Perhaps there are people deluding themselves into thinking that this is a dying trade and perhaps best buried along with the sands of time. That's absolutely wrong and a great disservice to the trade that 'brought home the bacon'. > > What needs to be done is for knowledge to be documented and parts made available so that prices of service and parts are kept at a sane level. The knowledge needs to be put out there and liberated (isn't that what baby-boomers fought for?) so that it reaches every level. > > BG > From: Kevin Fetner > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:46 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > Bala, > I suppose we should define "baby boomer" then. I am at the bottom end-60 this July. My oldest brother is at the top end and is presently70. This was the peace/love generation in America growing up and so if you are younger or older than that you weren't part of it. I've seen it redefined in places like yahoo!, but it's only to enhance the numbers. > > It doesn't matter where and how much USB TT's are being sold for, it's the numbers. They bring in younger generations back to vinyl. In America and England there's no "I suppose" about it; R2R is propped and supported by baby boomer aged people, chiefly. As I said, my R2R group is 3000 strong and includes past and present EE's who have worked at radio stations with tape for generations and past studio engineers who have actually helped record the music we know and love today. I consider this a very reasonable sampling of the hobby, at least in the US and England. In Asia and Western Europe, I can't speak for their numbers except that there are NO new decks being manufactured there either. And on the group we know of no entity making heads-my point about a finite number of NOS heads out there. > > Furthermore as I said previously, it takes about $2,000 in used test and alignment tapes to bring a sophisticated R2R back to spec. And even if a well-heeled collector spends this, where does he get his training and experience? How many good Nak techs are there left(?)...in the States we have a half dozen or so within 313 million people. Do you see this as a trend or "revival" of cassette interest? Prices on ebay and such don't reflect numbers. If anything they are high now and remain high due to scarcity, which equates to supply & demand. I've been watching decks for sale on ebay for the last 15yrs. The better, more famous brands now are bringing ridiculous prices for what you get. In almost every case, the decks sold need another $500 or so in them just to bring them to spec. And that's assuming nothing is broken or missing. Yet on places like craigslist, R2R prices are incredibly low for the most part...I've seen Studer decks go for $150-the same deck on ebay would list for over $1,000. We have a few full-time techs in our group that just repair R2R's. Their stories are legion about the 'ebay decks' they try to bring back to life and what was initially claimed in the auction by the seller. We even joke about the terms used like;'mint', 'miny', 'excellent', 'plays flawlessly', 'excellent condition', 'played perferctly last time I used it'. And my two personal favorite;'plugs in and lights come on', 'I have no way to test, but excellent condition'. In the early yrs, I too was a victim of lying, unscrupulous sellers. Look at Naks on ebay;what the seller claims and what the buyer usually receives. > > I never said that baby boomers were the only folks in R2R, but clearly the majority and the ones with the cash to keep the decks going. Like it or not, it's just simple demographics and the folks therein that support the hobby. Even with that, the numbers are unremarkable in the total market share of present audio and shrinking. And the same kind of people are the ones buying the VPI TT's and others of their equal as well. Except that in records I would consent to an actual "revival" and said so previously for my reasons given. Home theater has taken America by storm for many yrs now and a very different animal than high-end audio. I'm not sure what your age point is about, because over 70 yrs old is even a smaller market share and almost negligible by the numbers. I do know that in Spain and some other Euro countries, R2R is a respected symbol of audio status. We have Euro members desperate for parts, any parts...especially for US decks. No disrespect intended in any of this, just sorting through all the fluff & hyperbole about a "revival" of R2R that's not happening here, not by the numbers. > > Kevin > > Hi Kevin, > > Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the > gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB > turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar > store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there. > Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very > high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my > age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. > But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do > suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their > spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be > splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation. > > Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences > will vary from mine and I respect that. But I am putting here in words what my experiences and observations are. There's no reason > to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.You'd think > I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig. > > BG > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at gmail.com Wed May 22 05:09:47 2013 From: bobschneider8 at gmail.com (Robert Schneider) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 22:09:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <60FC0BE6-64E1-47E9-8FEE-3F2811A3770A@yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2BF6011F-D554-406D-9C13-4C987C463D17@gmail.com> <60FC0BE6-64E1-47E9-8FEE-3F2811A3770A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Reel to reel in the home was always an esoteric pursuit, even in its 1950s/60s heyday. Prerecorded reel tapes in the 50s could run over $100 in today's money. Tape didn't become mass market until 8 track and then cassette in the 1970s. My impression is that, while cassette has some popularity among young hipsters, R2R is almost only used by folks who remember when Hugh Hefner was cool. While you can still get reel to reel decks for ridiculously cheap prices, tapes and maintenance are still a financial commitment most young hipsters can't afford. FWIW, I was born in 1957, which was the peak year for births in the US. Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > That's my experience too Cyrus. People who decide to rip vinyl usually go for a better rig because USB turntables are so badly executed. > > The great thing about vinyl is the sheer number of choices. With used but really great machines and new tech marvels coming out, there is so many to pick from. > > Bg > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 22/05/2013, at 11:39 AM, Cyrus Shirali wrote: > >> USB TTs, not me or anyone of my friends use one (I'm 30). I have spotted one once, but they just seem to plastic and flimsy. Nor the drivers for them would would convert the A/D to any worthy rates. ( I could be wrong though) . That's if your intention for using them are to rip vinyls. I'd much prefer a high quality stand alone A/D converter to go into. I have been using techs 1210s most of my life, mainly because I would Dj with them, and they feel great when mixing and scratching. A few years back I wanted to invest in a vestax "vinyl burner" where u can actually create your own vinyls for my mixes. there were limitations though, and it wasn't cheap either. >> >> There has defiantly has been a revival towards vinyl in the last decade +. >> I still buy newly printed vinyl from artists. But there are those rare pressings that people search for. Kinda like baseball cards back in the day when they were cool. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 21, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Kevin, >>> >>> Most of us are aware of the baby boomers. >>> >>> While from your frame and environment, it's USB TTs thats bringing back the young ones. Of course, from where I look, and being closer in age to these people, the situation is very different. >>> >>> While baby boomers have been the back-bone in the boom (pun not intended) of the R2Rs, they are enjoying a come back with people wanting to put money to getting them back to specs, new media, and seriously listening to them. There are always going to be numbers who into it for the vintage feel or for the moment though and that happens in most things. >>> >>> My kids enjoyed watching Judy Garland's Wizard of Oz. If not for the knowledge passed down that allowed for the film to be restored and kept, it would have gone the way countless classics would have gone - literally into celluloid powder. What happens is that for the art of R2R to be preserved and the knowledge passed down so that the next generation of enthusiasts can keep it going. I benefited from many such knowledgeable people who passed on their know how that has helped me so much. >>> Some countries bring used cassette decks in terms of pallets - you head that right..PALLETS. They used to do exclusive buying trips for reel to reel and other similar equipment and brought home container loads of these stuff. There's enough growth to keep two manufacturers alive. Perhaps there are people deluding themselves into thinking that this is a dying trade and perhaps best buried along with the sands of time. That's absolutely wrong and a great disservice to the trade that 'brought home the bacon'. >>> >>> What needs to be done is for knowledge to be documented and parts made available so that prices of service and parts are kept at a sane level. The knowledge needs to be put out there and liberated (isn't that what baby-boomers fought for?) so that it reaches every level. >>> >>> BG >>> From: Kevin Fetner >>> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:46 PM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL >>> >>> Bala, >>> I suppose we should define "baby boomer" then. I am at the bottom end-60 this July. My oldest brother is at the top end and is presently70. This was the peace/love generation in America growing up and so if you are younger or older than that you weren't part of it. I've seen it redefined in places like yahoo!, but it's only to enhance the numbers. >>> >>> It doesn't matter where and how much USB TT's are being sold for, it's the numbers. They bring in younger generations back to vinyl. In America and England there's no "I suppose" about it; R2R is propped and supported by baby boomer aged people, chiefly. As I said, my R2R group is 3000 strong and includes past and present EE's who have worked at radio stations with tape for generations and past studio engineers who have actually helped record the music we know and love today. I consider this a very reasonable sampling of the hobby, at least in the US and England. In Asia and Western Europe, I can't speak for their numbers except that there are NO new decks being manufactured there either. And on the group we know of no entity making heads-my point about a finite number of NOS heads out there. >>> >>> Furthermore as I said previously, it takes about $2,000 in used test and alignment tapes to bring a sophisticated R2R back to spec. And even if a well-heeled collector spends this, where does he get his training and experience? How many good Nak techs are there left(?)...in the States we have a half dozen or so within 313 million people. Do you see this as a trend or "revival" of cassette interest? Prices on ebay and such don't reflect numbers. If anything they are high now and remain high due to scarcity, which equates to supply & demand. I've been watching decks for sale on ebay for the last 15yrs. The better, more famous brands now are bringing ridiculous prices for what you get. In almost every case, the decks sold need another $500 or so in them just to bring them to spec. And that's assuming nothing is broken or missing. Yet on places like craigslist, R2R prices are incredibly low for the most part...I've seen Studer decks go for $150-the same deck on ebay would list for over $1,000. We have a few full-time techs in our group that just repair R2R's. Their stories are legion about the 'ebay decks' they try to bring back to life and what was initially claimed in the auction by the seller. We even joke about the terms used like;'mint', 'miny', 'excellent', 'plays flawlessly', 'excellent condition', 'played perferctly last time I used it'. And my two personal favorite;'plugs in and lights come on', 'I have no way to test, but excellent condition'. In the early yrs, I too was a victim of lying, unscrupulous sellers. Look at Naks on ebay;what the seller claims and what the buyer usually receives. >>> >>> I never said that baby boomers were the only folks in R2R, but clearly the majority and the ones with the cash to keep the decks going. Like it or not, it's just simple demographics and the folks therein that support the hobby. Even with that, the numbers are unremarkable in the total market share of present audio and shrinking. And the same kind of people are the ones buying the VPI TT's and others of their equal as well. Except that in records I would consent to an actual "revival" and said so previously for my reasons given. Home theater has taken America by storm for many yrs now and a very different animal than high-end audio. I'm not sure what your age point is about, because over 70 yrs old is even a smaller market share and almost negligible by the numbers. I do know that in Spain and some other Euro countries, R2R is a respected symbol of audio status. We have Euro members desperate for parts, any parts...especially for US decks. No disrespect intended in any of this, just sorting through all the fluff & hyperbole about a "revival" of R2R that's not happening here, not by the numbers. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> Hi Kevin, >>> >>> Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the >>> gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB >>> turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar >>> store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there. >>> Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very >>> high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my >>> age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. >>> But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do >>> suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their >>> spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be >>> splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation. >>> >>> Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences >>> will vary from mine and I respect that. But I am putting here in words what my experiences and observations are. There's no reason >>> to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.You'd think >>> I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig. >>> >>> BG >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed May 22 06:41:28 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 21:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bala, It's the numbers I'm talking referring to...not small examples that you've heard about or personal transgressions. In ANY hobby you can think of, only passing along to a younger generation can keep it alive. It's a matter of convenience, not logic or education. Look around you; young people everywhere are slaves to their little smart phones; at a sporting events, at lunch, at dinner, on the beach, relaxing etc....places that before were sacred, in that you interacted fully with an analog world around you. Now your world can be in the palm of your hand. You're not going to pass the complexities and the hard work of using magnetic tape to younger generations. Look at it from their prospective; why invest the space and money to an audio system with magnetic tape, when your phone stores all the music you want/need and you plug in your headphones anywhere in the world you can sit, walk or recline.....plus you can access the Internet.  As been proven many times, they are quite willing to sacrifice sound quality for convenience factor. Film on the other hand is timeless and the younger generations can embrace even B&W classics. It's something different and it's low energy...they find an old film on Nexflix or their X-Box and just watch it...no stress, no hassle because all the work has been done for them......convenience factor again. In my estimation, old films will never die and it's a poor analogy to R2R. Doesn't matter if it's "a great disservice" if R2R dies. I wholly agree that R2R should have a continued regal existence, but the younger generations don't care about the magnetic tape origins of music. To them it's done and dead. Parts can and will be made with 3D printing...it's already happenings, but that doesn't cover parts with internals like heads-we're not there yet. And you can't sell R2R to anybody new if there aren't enough techs to support it. What works for you/us doesn't work for the masses. This is a very small niche hobby and will remain so until R2R's are all but forgotten.  I think it's apparent who is deluding whom. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Kevin Fetner ; "naktalk at naks.com" ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Hi Kevin, Most of us are aware of the baby boomers. While from your frame and environment, it's USB TTs thats bringing back the young ones. Of course, from where I look, and being closer in age to these people, the situation is very different. While baby boomers have been the back-bone in the boom (pun not intended) of the R2Rs, they are enjoying a come back with people wanting to put money to getting them back to specs, new media, and seriously listening to them. There are always going to be numbers who into it for the vintage feel or for the moment though and that happens in most things. My kids enjoyed watching Judy Garland's Wizard of Oz. If not for the knowledge passed down that allowed for the film to be restored and kept, it would have gone the way countless classics would have gone - literally into celluloid powder. What happens is that for the art of R2R to be preserved and the knowledge passed down so that the next generation of enthusiasts can keep it going. I benefited from many such knowledgeable people who passed on their know how that has  helped me so much. Some countries bring used cassette decks in terms of pallets - you head that right..PALLETS. They used to do exclusive buying trips for reel to reel and other similar equipment and brought home container loads of these stuff. There's enough growth to keep two manufacturers alive. Perhaps there are people deluding themselves into thinking that this is a dying trade and perhaps best buried along with the sands of time. That's absolutely wrong and a great disservice to the trade that 'brought home the bacon'. What needs to be done is for knowledge to be documented and parts made available so that prices of service and parts are kept at a sane level. The knowledge needs to be put out there and liberated (isn't that what baby-boomers fought for?) so that it reaches every level. BG ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Bala, I suppose we should define "baby boomer" then. I am at the bottom end-60 this July. My oldest brother is at the top end and is presently70. This was the peace/love generation in America growing up and so if you are younger or older than that you weren't part of it. I've seen it redefined in places like yahoo!, but it's only to enhance the numbers. It doesn't matter where and how much USB TT's are being sold for, it's the numbers. They bring in younger generations back to vinyl. In America and England there's no "I suppose" about it; R2R is propped and supported by baby boomer aged people, chiefly. As I said, my R2R group is 3000 strong and includes past and present EE's who have worked at radio stations with tape for generations and past studio engineers who have actually helped record the music we know and love today. I consider this a very reasonable sampling of the hobby, at least in the US and England. In Asia and Western Europe, I can't speak for their numbers except that there are NO new decks being manufactured there either. And on the group we know of no entity making heads-my point about a finite number of NOS heads out there. Furthermore as I said previously, it takes about $2,000 in used test and alignment tapes to bring a sophisticated R2R back to spec. And even if a well-heeled collector spends this, where does he get his training and experience? How many good Nak techs are there left(?)...in the States we have a half dozen or so within 313 million people. Do you see this as a trend or "revival" of cassette interest? Prices on ebay and such don't reflect numbers. If anything they are high now and remain high due to scarcity, which equates to supply & demand. I've been watching decks for sale on ebay for the last 15yrs. The better, more famous brands now are bringing ridiculous prices for what you get. In almost every case, the decks sold need another $500 or so in them just to bring them to spec. And that's assuming nothing is broken or missing. Yet on places like craigslist, R2R prices are incredibly low for the most part...I've seen Studer decks go for $150-the same deck on ebay would list for over $1,000.  We have a few full-time techs in our group that just repair R2R's. Their stories are legion about the 'ebay decks' they try to bring back to life and what was initially claimed in the auction by the seller. We even joke about the terms used like;'mint', 'miny', 'excellent', 'plays flawlessly', 'excellent condition', 'played perferctly last time I used it'. And my two personal favorite;'plugs in and lights come on', 'I have no way to test, but excellent condition'. In the early yrs, I too was a victim of lying, unscrupulous sellers. Look at Naks on ebay;what the seller claims and what the buyer usually receives. I never said that baby boomers were the only folks in R2R, but clearly the majority and the ones with the cash to keep the decks going. Like it or not, it's just simple demographics and the folks therein that support the hobby. Even with that, the numbers are unremarkable in the total market share of present audio and shrinking. And the same kind of people are the ones buying the VPI TT's and others of their equal as well. Except that in records I would consent to an actual "revival" and said so previously for my reasons given. Home theater has taken America by storm for many yrs now and a very different animal than high-end audio. I'm not sure what your age point is about, because over 70 yrs old is even a smaller market share and almost negligible by the numbers. I do know that in Spain and some other Euro countries, R2R is a respected symbol of audio status. We have Euro members desperate for parts, any parts...especially for US decks. No disrespect intended in any of this, just sorting through all the fluff & hyperbole about a "revival" of R2R that's not happening here, not by the numbers. Kevin ________________________________ Hi Kevin,  Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there. Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation.  Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences will vary from mine and I respect that. But I am putting here in words what my experiences and observations are. There's no reason to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.You'd think I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig.  BG ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 22 11:08:42 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 02:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kevin,  There's a huge difference between society at large and what we have here. Most cars today would beat a Jaguar E-type or Aston Martin DB5 in terms of power. And then there's the MG Racer which I personally find uncomfortable, but stirs emotions in some people. But I still see people working on them with so much dedication, then step back to capture the beauty of on their smartphones to share it on Facebook and tweet all about it.  The joy and pleasure of the ride is purely irreplaceable. They do not need to be reminded that it and other rides of similar vintage don't come with the modern conveniences. But people don't trash these just because newer models parallel park themselves or have built in GPS. There's a joy and pleasure and people will love them. Some people will roll up their sleeves and get dirty with them. Some fall in love and even sleep in them.  Such way, people fall love with listening to music on reel to reel. Younger people are being attracted to the romance and many are willing to put up with it. Call them yuppy larvae or whatever - there are numbers who are willing to put up with the inconveniences of playing tape. Just as how 'Perfect Sound Forever' didn't put people away from cleaning stylii and records, or putting up with pops and scratches.  I can see where you are coming from Kevin but believe me, a larger world exists out there and there's a lot more to it. It includes lots of passionate youngsters.   ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Bala, It's the numbers I'm talking referring to...not small examples that you've heard about or personal transgressions. In ANY hobby you can think of, only passing along to a younger generation can keep it alive. It's a matter of convenience, not logic or education. Look around you; young people everywhere are slaves to their little smart phones; at a sporting events, at lunch, at dinner, on the beach, relaxing etc....places that before were sacred, in that you interacted fully with an analog world around you. Now your world can be in the palm of your hand. You're not going to pass the complexities and the hard work of using magnetic tape to younger generations. Look at it from their prospective; why invest the space and money to an audio system with magnetic tape, when your phone stores all the music you want/need and you plug in your headphones anywhere in the world you can sit, walk or recline.....plus you can access the Internet.  As been proven many times, they are quite willing to sacrifice sound quality for convenience factor. Film on the other hand is timeless and the younger generations can embrace even B&W classics. It's something different and it's low energy...they find an old film on Nexflix or their X-Box and just watch it...no stress, no hassle because all the work has been done for them......convenience factor again. In my estimation, old films will never die and it's a poor analogy to R2R. Doesn't matter if it's "a great disservice" if R2R dies. I wholly agree that R2R should have a continued regal existence, but the younger generations don't care about the magnetic tape origins of music. To them it's done and dead. Parts can and will be made with 3D printing...it's already happenings, but that doesn't cover parts with internals like heads-we're not there yet. And you can't sell R2R to anybody new if there aren't enough techs to support it. What works for you/us doesn't work for the masses. This is a very small niche hobby and will remain so until R2R's are all but forgotten.  I think it's apparent who is deluding whom. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Kevin Fetner ; "naktalk at naks.com" ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Hi Kevin, Most of us are aware of the baby boomers. While from your frame and environment, it's USB TTs thats bringing back the young ones. Of course, from where I look, and being closer in age to these people, the situation is very different. While baby boomers have been the back-bone in the boom (pun not intended) of the R2Rs, they are enjoying a come back with people wanting to put money to getting them back to specs, new media, and seriously listening to them. There are always going to be numbers who into it for the vintage feel or for the moment though and that happens in most things. My kids enjoyed watching Judy Garland's Wizard of Oz. If not for the knowledge passed down that allowed for the film to be restored and kept, it would have gone the way countless classics would have gone - literally into celluloid powder. What happens is that for the art of R2R to be preserved and the knowledge passed down so that the next generation of enthusiasts can keep it going. I benefited from many such knowledgeable people who passed on their know how that has  helped me so much. Some countries bring used cassette decks in terms of pallets - you head that right..PALLETS. They used to do exclusive buying trips for reel to reel and other similar equipment and brought home container loads of these stuff. There's enough growth to keep two manufacturers alive. Perhaps there are people deluding themselves into thinking that this is a dying trade and perhaps best buried along with the sands of time. That's absolutely wrong and a great disservice to the trade that 'brought home the bacon'. What needs to be done is for knowledge to be documented and parts made available so that prices of service and parts are kept at a sane level. The knowledge needs to be put out there and liberated (isn't that what baby-boomers fought for?) so that it reaches every level. BG ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Bala, I suppose we should define "baby boomer" then. I am at the bottom end-60 this July. My oldest brother is at the top end and is presently70. This was the peace/love generation in America growing up and so if you are younger or older than that you weren't part of it. I've seen it redefined in places like yahoo!, but it's only to enhance the numbers. It doesn't matter where and how much USB TT's are being sold for, it's the numbers. They bring in younger generations back to vinyl. In America and England there's no "I suppose" about it; R2R is propped and supported by baby boomer aged people, chiefly. As I said, my R2R group is 3000 strong and includes past and present EE's who have worked at radio stations with tape for generations and past studio engineers who have actually helped record the music we know and love today. I consider this a very reasonable sampling of the hobby, at least in the US and England. In Asia and Western Europe, I can't speak for their numbers except that there are NO new decks being manufactured there either. And on the group we know of no entity making heads-my point about a finite number of NOS heads out there. Furthermore as I said previously, it takes about $2,000 in used test and alignment tapes to bring a sophisticated R2R back to spec. And even if a well-heeled collector spends this, where does he get his training and experience? How many good Nak techs are there left(?)...in the States we have a half dozen or so within 313 million people. Do you see this as a trend or "revival" of cassette interest? Prices on ebay and such don't reflect numbers. If anything they are high now and remain high due to scarcity, which equates to supply & demand. I've been watching decks for sale on ebay for the last 15yrs. The better, more famous brands now are bringing ridiculous prices for what you get. In almost every case, the decks sold need another $500 or so in them just to bring them to spec. And that's assuming nothing is broken or missing. Yet on places like craigslist, R2R prices are incredibly low for the most part...I've seen Studer decks go for $150-the same deck on ebay would list for over $1,000.  We have a few full-time techs in our group that just repair R2R's. Their stories are legion about the 'ebay decks' they try to bring back to life and what was initially claimed in the auction by the seller. We even joke about the terms used like;'mint', 'miny', 'excellent', 'plays flawlessly', 'excellent condition', 'played perferctly last time I used it'. And my two personal favorite;'plugs in and lights come on', 'I have no way to test, but excellent condition'. In the early yrs, I too was a victim of lying, unscrupulous sellers. Look at Naks on ebay;what the seller claims and what the buyer usually receives. I never said that baby boomers were the only folks in R2R, but clearly the majority and the ones with the cash to keep the decks going. Like it or not, it's just simple demographics and the folks therein that support the hobby. Even with that, the numbers are unremarkable in the total market share of present audio and shrinking. And the same kind of people are the ones buying the VPI TT's and others of their equal as well. Except that in records I would consent to an actual "revival" and said so previously for my reasons given. Home theater has taken America by storm for many yrs now and a very different animal than high-end audio. I'm not sure what your age point is about, because over 70 yrs old is even a smaller market share and almost negligible by the numbers. I do know that in Spain and some other Euro countries, R2R is a respected symbol of audio status. We have Euro members desperate for parts, any parts...especially for US decks. No disrespect intended in any of this, just sorting through all the fluff & hyperbole about a "revival" of R2R that's not happening here, not by the numbers. Kevin ________________________________ Hi Kevin,  Firstly, I am not a baby-boomer. I am in fact born a generation after. But this hobby puts me in a place where I straddle the gap between the two generations. A lot of my age peers who are keen about vinyl ( and not just dabbling) have gone away from USB turntables and similar stuff for obvious reasons. These items are still being sold but they end up in Cash Converters and similar store in piles where one can walk away with one for $20. You are not going to find a Thorens, Dual or Rega there. Many older machines are being revived and restored alongside new equipment, although the number of newer machines isn't very high. But this is a market situation and crosses over the R2Rs as well. In my part of the world, R2Rs are active and people of my age group are into it - and not for retro coolness alone. The numbers are not phenomenal or enough to warrant new production decks. But the number of decks being saved from the dumpster do suggest more then just curiosity. The resale prices of decks and their spares also suggests more then just baby boomers. I suppose while they are a key market, not many of them are going to be splurging money in face of rising cost of living and the rate of inflation.  Because we are from different parts of the world, from different generations in very different circumstances, your experiences will vary from mine and I respect that. 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There's no reason to shoot people down just because your perception is the R2R is dying and only rich baby boomers are holding it up.You'd think I'm putting you on but a rich baby boomer actually saw and heard a VPI TNT turntable at my house before he bought his own rig.  BG ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Wed May 22 15:17:05 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:17:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual Message-ID: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> Hi all, Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. Thanks , Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad From luis at peromarta.org Wed May 22 15:55:40 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:55:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> References: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F755403-0912-4893-A814-2C5BD8920898@peromarta.org> While nothing else is available, I'd use a CR7 SM. I believe everything except the az adjustment should be pretty close. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 22/05/2013, a las 15:17, Norman van Wijnen escribió: > Hi all, > > Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? > It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. > > Thanks , > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Wed May 22 16:41:45 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:41:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <2F755403-0912-4893-A814-2C5BD8920898@peromarta.org> References: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> <2F755403-0912-4893-A814-2C5BD8920898@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Hi Luis, You are right but i am still searching for the original cr manual. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 22 mei 2013 om 15:55 heeft Luis Peromarta het volgende geschreven: > While nothing else is available, I'd use a CR7 SM. I believe everything except the az adjustment should be pretty close. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 22/05/2013, a las 15:17, Norman van Wijnen escribió: > >> Hi all, >> >> Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? >> It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. >> >> Thanks , >> >> Best regards >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Wed May 22 17:25:40 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Analog vs Digital (Ron) In-Reply-To: <201305212159.r4LLwZge026482@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305211008.r4LA7Zhu024998@zxe.naks.com> <201305212159.r4LLwZge026482@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1369236340.91864.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Disagree This is not a matter of opinion, but of scientific facts. You either know or you don't. > all aspects of interaction with the natural world are by default analog Read some basic explanation of how neurons work. There are billions of these in your nervous system. These are analogous to logic gates (you know, of course, what logic gates are???). Also, do read about the way our hearing works. Sensing sound is fully discrete.  -- Ron >________________________________ > From: RSB >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:24 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Analog vs Digital (Ron) > > >> is your brain analog or digital? > >The brain is digital (the 'logic system' is discrete and mostly binary). The >hearing >process is analog at the front end (ears and auditory canal) and discrete at >the >nervous system interface (organ of corti in the inner ear). All this has >absolutely >nothing to do with comparison of digital to analog recordings. > >Of course, the above is high school material and very superficial. There is >much >information, if you wish to spend time reading before comparing 'digital >music' to >trees. > >-- Ron > >Disagree - all aspects of interaction with the natural world are by default >analog.  There is no "digital processor" in the brain and if you find it >somewhere (maybe wired into the cerebral cortex?, please let us know. > >We are not computers, at least as we remain naturally created, for now. >And that's why while some may not be able to explain clearly, analog >reproduction is more "natural". > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/02/analog_or_digital/ > >rob > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed May 22 17:25:40 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Analog vs Digital (Ron) In-Reply-To: <201305212159.r4LLwZge026482@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305211008.r4LA7Zhu024998@zxe.naks.com> <201305212159.r4LLwZge026482@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1369236340.91864.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Disagree This is not a matter of opinion, but of scientific facts. You either know or you don't. > all aspects of interaction with the natural world are by default analog Read some basic explanation of how neurons work. There are billions of these in your nervous system. These are analogous to logic gates (you know, of course, what logic gates are???). Also, do read about the way our hearing works. Sensing sound is fully discrete.  -- Ron >________________________________ > From: RSB >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:24 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Analog vs Digital (Ron) > > >> is your brain analog or digital? > >The brain is digital (the 'logic system' is discrete and mostly binary). The >hearing >process is analog at the front end (ears and auditory canal) and discrete at >the >nervous system interface (organ of corti in the inner ear). All this has >absolutely >nothing to do with comparison of digital to analog recordings. > >Of course, the above is high school material and very superficial. There is >much >information, if you wish to spend time reading before comparing 'digital >music' to >trees. > >-- Ron > >Disagree - all aspects of interaction with the natural world are by default >analog.  There is no "digital processor" in the brain and if you find it >somewhere (maybe wired into the cerebral cortex?, please let us know. > >We are not computers, at least as we remain naturally created, for now. >And that's why while some may not be able to explain clearly, analog >reproduction is more "natural". > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/02/analog_or_digital/ > >rob > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed May 22 17:35:24 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> References: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1369236924.32601.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Norman, I have the CR5 service manual. Unfortunately, the pdf is almost 50MB and I do not have the S/W to optimize. Splitting into a 20 part rar set is too time consuming. Wouter, if there's a way to upload to the naks.com site I'll be happy to do it. You probably have Acrobat or a similar pdf editor to reduce the size? -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Norman van Wijnen >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:17 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual > > >Hi all, > >Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? >It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. > >Thanks , > >Best regards > >Norman > >Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Wed May 22 19:30:16 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 19:30:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <1369236924.32601.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> <1369236924.32601.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59080789-D82B-494F-A2EF-2C6087EF6092@ziggo.nl> Hi Ron, Maybe, if you use dropbox , i can download your file and make the pdf smaller? Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 22 mei 2013 om 17:35 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > Norman, I have the CR5 service manual. Unfortunately, the pdf is > almost 50MB and I do not have the S/W to optimize. Splitting into a > 20 part rar set is too time consuming. > > Wouter, if there's a way to upload to the naks.com site I'll be happy > to do it. You probably have Acrobat or a similar pdf editor to reduce > the size? > > -- Ron > > > > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:17 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual > > Hi all, > > Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? > It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. > > Thanks , > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed May 22 22:52:41 2013 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <2F755403-0912-4893-A814-2C5BD8920898@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <1369255961.64483.YahooMailClassic@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> No you cannot use CR 7 SM for CR 5 Ron has a PDF and if Wouter allows can be good addition to Naktalk WIKI kannan --- On Wed, 5/22/13, Luis Peromarta wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 9:55 AM While nothing else is available, I'd use a CR7 SM. I believe everything except the az adjustment should be pretty close. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 22/05/2013, a las 15:17, Norman van Wijnen escribió: > Hi all, > > Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? > It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. > > Thanks , > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed May 22 16:06:19 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 07:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bala, You're singing to the choir here. Everything you've said about the music itself from R2R or vinyl is true-no argument there. My point was always about the numbers themselves juxtaposed against the greater, consumer market of audio reproduction.  I'm tickled to death about the true revival of TT's and vinyl. What I don't see following is a "revival" of R2R for all the reasons I have given. However, there is enough present interest to keep the hobby alive and offer 'choices' to us baby boomers. Down the road when we age-out and die, the hobby will go with us. Don't see your numbers of young adults back into R2R. I myself have had many young adults to my house to listen to my system. They are blown away, but that doesn't equate to marching home and finding the space, money and time for magnetic tape. I even DJ at dances with some of my vintage equipment-kids love the sound. Now you're bringing vintage cars into the discussion. This wasn't ever about anything but the "revival" of R2R. Without the techs, the parts and the knowledge to use the decks, there can be no "revival" of R2R for younger generations. 6,000 R2R's sold on ebay the last yr versus how many billion smart phones marketed to young adults for music reproduction? This is one time I would love to proved wrong....again, show me the numbers of the younger generations to support your R2R "revival". I do think the passion for vintage analog we have, has passed somewhat into Generation X(almost like a small contagion) as they get older, but after that generation the numbers are tiny. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Kevin Fetner ; "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Kevin,  There's a huge difference between society at large and what we have here. Most cars today would beat a Jaguar E-type or Aston Martin DB5 in terms of power. And then there's the MG Racer which I personally find uncomfortable, but stirs emotions in some people. But I still see people working on them with so much dedication, then step back to capture the beauty of on their smartphones to share it on Facebook and tweet all about it.  The joy and pleasure of the ride is purely irreplaceable. They do not need to be reminded that it and other rides of similar vintage don't come with the modern conveniences. But people don't trash these just because newer models parallel park themselves or have built in GPS. There's a joy and pleasure and people will love them. Some people will roll up their sleeves and get dirty with them. Some fall in love and even sleep in them.  Such way, people fall love with listening to music on reel to reel. Younger people are being attracted to the romance and many are willing to put up with it. Call them yuppy larvae or whatever - there are numbers who are willing to put up with the inconveniences of playing tape. Just as how 'Perfect Sound Forever' didn't put people away from cleaning stylii and records, or putting up with pops and scratches.  I can see where you are coming from Kevin but believe me, a larger world exists out there and there's a lot more to it. It includes lots of passionate youngsters.   ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Bala, It's the numbers I'm talking referring to...not small examples that you've heard about or personal transgressions. In ANY hobby you can think of, only passing along to a younger generation can keep it alive. It's a matter of convenience, not logic or education. Look around you; young people everywhere are slaves to their little smart phones; at a sporting events, at lunch, at dinner, on the beach, relaxing etc....places that before were sacred, in that you interacted fully with an analog world around you. Now your world can be in the palm of your hand. You're not going to pass the complexities and the hard work of using magnetic tape to younger generations. Look at it from their prospective; why invest the space and money to an audio system with magnetic tape, when your phone stores all the music you want/need and you plug in your headphones anywhere in the world you can sit, walk or recline.....plus you can access the Internet.  As been proven many times, they are quite willing to sacrifice sound quality for convenience factor. Film on the other hand is timeless and the younger generations can embrace even B&W classics. It's something different and it's low energy...they find an old film on Nexflix or their X-Box and just watch it...no stress, no hassle because all the work has been done for them......convenience factor again. In my estimation, old films will never die and it's a poor analogy to R2R. Doesn't matter if it's "a great disservice" if R2R dies. I wholly agree that R2R should have a continued regal existence, but the younger generations don't care about the magnetic tape origins of music. To them it's done and dead. Parts can and will be made with 3D printing...it's already happenings, but that doesn't cover parts with internals like heads-we're not there yet. And you can't sell R2R to anybody new if there aren't enough techs to support it. What works for you/us doesn't work for the masses. This is a very small niche hobby and will remain so until R2R's are all but forgotten.  I think it's apparent who is deluding whom. Kevin ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pls excuse typos. > > El 22/05/2013, a las 15:17, Norman van Wijnen escribió: > >> Hi all, >> >> Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? >> It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. >> >> Thanks , >> >> Best regards >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.botelho at gmail.com Wed May 22 19:18:14 2013 From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:18:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <1369236924.32601.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> <1369236924.32601.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What about trying to either rar or zip the PDF file? You might be surprised as to how much smaller it might end up being. :) On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Ron wrote: > > Norman, I have the CR5 service manual. Unfortunately, the pdf is > almost 50MB and I do not have the S/W to optimize. Splitting into a > 20 part rar set is too time consuming. > > Wouter, if there's a way to upload to the naks.com site I'll be happy > to do it. You probably have Acrobat or a similar pdf editor to reduce > the size? > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Norman van Wijnen > *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:17 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual > > Hi all, > > Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? > It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. > > Thanks , > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately, the pdf is almost 50MB and I do not have the S/W to optimize. Splitting into a 20 part rar set is too time consuming. Wouter, if there's a way to upload to the naks.com site I'll be happy to do it. You probably have Acrobat or a similar pdf editor to reduce the size? -- Ron ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual Hi all, Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu May 23 08:48:35 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:48:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <1369236924.32601.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <9A548C48-C274-4171-988C-D676C302B99B@gmail.com> <1369236924.32601.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4d364438892606c7ccd267c8337c97bc.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Ron, Well I have Acrobat and i can give that a try but can also host it just like it is. Please send it through some file-sharing website to my private email. And, if anyone has a manual that is not there, please share it! Wouter > > Norman, I have the CR5 service manual. Unfortunately, the pdf is > almost 50MB and I do not have the S/W to optimize. Splitting into a > 20 part rar set is too time consuming. > > Wouter, if there's a way to upload to the naks.com site I'll be happy > to do it. You probably have Acrobat or a similar pdf editor to reduce > the size? > > -- Ron > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu May 23 09:32:14 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:32:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 23/05/2013, at 12:06 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Bala, > You're singing to the choir here. Everything you've said about the music itself from R2R or vinyl is true-no argument there. My point was always about the numbers themselves juxtaposed against the greater, consumer market of audio reproduction. I'm tickled to death about the true revival of TT's and vinyl. What I don't see following is a "revival" of R2R for all the reasons I have given. However, there is enough present interest to keep the hobby alive and offer 'choices' to us baby boomers. Down the road when we age-out and die, the hobby will go with us. Don't see your numbers of young adults back into R2R. I myself have had many young adults to my house to listen to my system. They are blown away, but that doesn't equate to marching home and finding the space, money and time for magnetic tape. I even DJ at dances with some of my vintage equipment-kids love the sound. Now you're bringing vintage cars into the discussion. This wasn't ever about anything but the "revival" of R2R. Without the techs, the parts and the knowledge to use the decks, there can be no "revival" of R2R for younger generations. 6,000 R2R's sold on ebay the last yr versus how many billion smart phones marketed to young adults for music reproduction? > > This is one time I would love to proved wrong....again, show me the numbers of the younger generations to support your R2R "revival". I do think the passion for vintage analog we have, has passed somewhat into Generation X(almost like a small contagion) as they get older, but after that generation the numbers are tiny. > > Kevin > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: Kevin Fetner ; "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:08 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > Kevin, > > There's a huge difference between society at large and what we have here. Most cars today would beat a Jaguar E-type or Aston Martin DB5 in terms of power. And then there's the MG Racer which I personally find uncomfortable, but stirs emotions in some people. But I still see people working on them with so much dedication, then step back to capture the beauty of on their smartphones to share it on Facebook and tweet all about it. > > The joy and pleasure of the ride is purely irreplaceable. They do not need to be reminded that it and other rides of similar vintage don't come with the modern conveniences. But people don't trash these just because newer models parallel park themselves or have built in GPS. There's a joy and pleasure and people will love them. Some people will roll up their sleeves and get dirty with them. Some fall in love and even sleep in them. > > Such way, people fall love with listening to music on reel to reel. Younger people are being attracted to the romance and many are willing to put up with it. Call them yuppy larvae or whatever - there are numbers who are willing to put up with the inconveniences of playing tape. Just as how 'Perfect Sound Forever' didn't put people away from cleaning stylii and records, or putting up with pops and scratches. > > I can see where you are coming from Kevin but believe me, a larger world exists out there and there's a lot more to it. It includes lots of passionate youngsters. > > From: Kevin Fetner > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:41 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > Bala, > It's the numbers I'm talking referring to...not small examples that you've heard about or personal transgressions. In ANY hobby you can think of, only passing along to a younger generation can keep it alive. It's a matter of convenience, not logic or education. Look around you; young people everywhere are slaves to their little smart phones; at a sporting events, at lunch, at dinner, on the beach, relaxing etc....places that before were sacred, in that you interacted fully with an analog world around you. Now your world can be in the palm of your hand. You're not going to pass the complexities and the hard work of using magnetic tape to younger generations. Look at it from their prospective; why invest the space and money to an audio system with magnetic tape, when your phone stores all the music you want/need and you plug in your headphones anywhere in the world you can sit, walk or recline.....plus you can access the Internet. As been proven many times, they are quite willing to sacrifice sound quality for convenience factor. > > Film on the other hand is timeless and the younger generations can embrace even B&W classics. It's something different and it's low energy...they find an old film on Nexflix or their X-Box and just watch it...no stress, no hassle because all the work has been done for them......convenience factor again. In my estimation, old films will never die and it's a poor analogy to R2R. Doesn't matter if it's "a great disservice" if R2R dies. I wholly agree that R2R should have a continued regal existence, but the younger generations don't care about the magnetic tape origins of music. To them it's done and dead. > > Parts can and will be made with 3D printing...it's already happenings, but that doesn't cover parts with internals like heads-we're not there yet. And you can't sell R2R to anybody new if there aren't enough techs to support it. What works for you/us doesn't work for the masses. This is a very small niche hobby and will remain so until R2R's are all but forgotten. I think it's apparent who is deluding whom. > > Kevin > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Thu May 23 09:43:57 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:43:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You are right Bala and Kevin, Lots of very important things will diapiere after any generation. Fresh water will be not for free but sold by Nestle & Co Worldwide. Peace between two big religions will be history. Rain Forrest, and many things more. As long we can slow down things for getting worse , we should give energy to do so. In Audio is that helping each other and give information to beginners. Keeping audio Machines in shape and sell them if they are not needed. Thanks to the music artist and audio engineers who are still doing analogue recordings My car is made in 1982, my bike ( Vespa ) is made in 1981, build in very good quality. I ám saving much money by not buying things because of there are just the newest. " It is easy to find a new chair, but difficult to find a better one " Gerhard Am 22.05.2013 um 16:06 schrieb Kevin Fetner: > Bala, > You're singing to the choir here. Everything you've said about the > music itself from R2R or vinyl is true-no argument there. My point > was always about the numbers themselves juxtaposed against the > greater, consumer market of audio reproduction. I'm tickled to > death about the true revival of TT's and vinyl. What I don't see > following is a "revival" of R2R for all the reasons I have given. > However, there is enough present interest to keep the hobby alive > and offer 'choices' to us baby boomers. Down the road when we age- > out and die, the hobby will go with us. Don't see your numbers of > young adults back into R2R. I myself have had many young adults to > my house to listen to my system. They are blown away, but that > doesn't equate to marching home and finding the space, money and > time for magnetic tape. I even DJ at dances with some of my vintage > equipment-kids love the sound. Now you're bringing vintage cars > into the discussion. This wasn't ever about anything but the > "revival" of R2R. Without the techs, the parts and the knowledge to > use the decks, there can be no "revival" of R2R for younger > generations. 6,000 R2R's sold on ebay the last yr versus how many > billion smart phones marketed to young adults for music reproduction? > > This is one time I would love to proved wrong....again, show me the > numbers of the younger generations to support your R2R "revival". I > do think the passion for vintage analog we have, has passed > somewhat into Generation X(almost like a small contagion) as they > get older, but after that generation the numbers are tiny. > > Kevin > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: Kevin Fetner ; "naktalk at naks.com" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:08 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > Kevin, > > There's a huge difference between society at large and what we have > here. Most cars today would beat a Jaguar E-type or Aston Martin > DB5 in terms of power. And then there's the MG Racer which I > personally find uncomfortable, but stirs emotions in some people. > But I still see people working on them with so much dedication, > then step back to capture the beauty of on their smartphones to > share it on Facebook and tweet all about it. > > The joy and pleasure of the ride is purely irreplaceable. They do > not need to be reminded that it and other rides of similar vintage > don't come with the modern conveniences. But people don't trash > these just because newer models parallel park themselves or have > built in GPS. There's a joy and pleasure and people will love them. > Some people will roll up their sleeves and get dirty with them. > Some fall in love and even sleep in them. > > Such way, people fall love with listening to music on reel to reel. > Younger people are being attracted to the romance and many are > willing to put up with it. Call them yuppy larvae or whatever - > there are numbers who are willing to put up with the inconveniences > of playing tape. Just as how 'Perfect Sound Forever' didn't put > people away from cleaning stylii and records, or putting up with > pops and scratches. > > I can see where you are coming from Kevin but believe me, a larger > world exists out there and there's a lot more to it. It includes > lots of passionate youngsters. > > From: Kevin Fetner > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:41 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > Bala, > It's the numbers I'm talking referring to...not small examples that > you've heard about or personal transgressions. In ANY hobby you can > think of, only passing along to a younger generation can keep it > alive. It's a matter of convenience, not logic or education. Look > around you; young people everywhere are slaves to their little > smart phones; at a sporting events, at lunch, at dinner, on the > beach, relaxing etc....places that before were sacred, in that you > interacted fully with an analog world around you. Now your world > can be in the palm of your hand. You're not going to pass the > complexities and the hard work of using magnetic tape to younger > generations. Look at it from their prospective; why invest the > space and money to an audio system with magnetic tape, when your > phone stores all the music you want/need and you plug in your > headphones anywhere in the world you can sit, walk or > recline.....plus you can access the Internet. As been proven many > times, they are quite willing to sacrifice sound quality for > convenience factor. > > Film on the other hand is timeless and the younger generations can > embrace even B&W classics. It's something different and it's low > energy...they find an old film on Nexflix or their X-Box and just > watch it...no stress, no hassle because all the work has been done > for them......convenience factor again. In my estimation, old films > will never die and it's a poor analogy to R2R. Doesn't matter if > it's "a great disservice" if R2R dies. I wholly agree that R2R > should have a continued regal existence, but the younger > generations don't care about the magnetic tape origins of music. To > them it's done and dead. > > Parts can and will be made with 3D printing...it's already > happenings, but that doesn't cover parts with internals like heads- > we're not there yet. And you can't sell R2R to anybody new if there > aren't enough techs to support it. What works for you/us doesn't > work for the masses. This is a very small niche hobby and will > remain so until R2R's are all but forgotten. I think it's apparent > who is deluding whom. > > Kevin > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Thu May 23 10:08:46 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:08:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <1369238188.80902.YahooMailClassic@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1369238188.80902.YahooMailClassic@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C057989-0651-4B6C-B86F-E59BFEF55F30@ziggo.nl> Hi Bob, That would be great. Maybe Ron is uploading also to Wouter, but better two manuals then none. Best regards and thanks Bob and Ron for all the afford. Norman Email ( n.van.wijnen at gmail.com) Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 22 mei 2013 om 17:56 heeft Bob Naylor het volgende geschreven: > > Norman, I may have it on my home PC (at work now). If so I'll send it to you. > Bob N > > --- On Wed, 5/22/13, Ziggo wrote: > > From: Ziggo > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 7:41 AM > > Hi Luis, > > You are right but i am still searching for the original cr manual. > > Best regards, > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 22 mei 2013 om 15:55 heeft Luis Peromarta het volgende geschreven: > > > While nothing else is available, I'd use a CR7 SM. I believe everything except the az adjustment should be pretty close. > > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > > > El 22/05/2013, a las 15:17, Norman van Wijnen escribió: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? > >> It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. > >> > >> Thanks , > >> > >> Best regards > >> > >> Norman > >> > >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu May 23 20:37:05 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:37:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <0C057989-0651-4B6C-B86F-E59BFEF55F30@ziggo.nl> References: <1369238188.80902.YahooMailClassic@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <0C057989-0651-4B6C-B86F-E59BFEF55F30@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <28d82d4ad125db361d6aa7ba6a2423c3.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thanks to Ron, the manual is now on the wiki. I managed to shrink it to 17mb and it still looks ok to me, if not let me know. http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Wouter From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Thu May 23 21:32:41 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:32:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <28d82d4ad125db361d6aa7ba6a2423c3.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <1369238188.80902.YahooMailClassic@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <0C057989-0651-4B6C-B86F-E59BFEF55F30@ziggo.nl> <28d82d4ad125db361d6aa7ba6a2423c3.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi Wouter and Ron, Thank you very much. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 23 mei 2013 om 20:37 heeft Wouter Heijke het volgende geschreven: > Thanks to Ron, the manual is now on the wiki. > I managed to shrink it to 17mb and it still looks ok to me, if not let me > know. > > http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu May 23 16:12:07 2013 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side.  "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably  die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it.  You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. Best Regards,  Bala Ganesh ________________________________ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu May 23 18:29:54 2013 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <0C057989-0651-4B6C-B86F-E59BFEF55F30@ziggo.nl> Message-ID: <1369326594.90961.YahooMailClassic@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Norman, I was not able to check last night but will check tonight. Sorry for the delay.Bob N --- On Thu, 5/23/13, Ziggo wrote: From: Ziggo Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013, 1:08 AM Hi Bob, That would be great.  Maybe Ron is uploading also to Wouter,  but better two manuals then none. Best regards and thanks Bob and Ron for all the afford. Norman Email ( n.van.wijnen at gmail.com) Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 22 mei 2013 om 17:56 heeft Bob Naylor het volgende geschreven: Norman, I may have it on my home PC (at work now). If so I'll send it to you.Bob N --- On Wed, 5/22/13, Ziggo wrote: From: Ziggo Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 7:41 AM Hi Luis, You are right but i am still searching for the original cr manual. Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 22 mei 2013 om 15:55 heeft Luis Peromarta het volgende geschreven: > While nothing else is available, I'd use a CR7 SM. I believe everything except the az adjustment should be pretty close. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 22/05/2013, a las 15:17, Norman van Wijnen escribió: > >> Hi all, >> >> Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? >> It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. >> >> Thanks , >> >> Best regards >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 24 10:38:50 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:38:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B45393C-8EDE-4506-BA4D-621477262347@yahoo.com> When you say stick to Naks, you seem to have made a few people laugh. They mailed me because they know and some have met me. I'm not going to presume about you like you do about be because I do not know you. What I do know is that there are many people who are not sharing your opinions and thankfully they complete the circle. Stick to what you know Kevin because you seemed to have formed an impression that's so out of touch. Sent from my iPhone On 24/05/2013, at 12:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl Fri May 24 11:23:30 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:23:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual In-Reply-To: <1369326594.90961.YahooMailClassic@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1369326594.90961.YahooMailClassic@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C7653D9-5477-4627-A2D9-FE0F7ACC786F@ziggo.nl> Hi Bob, the manual was uploaded through Ron. Thanks for all Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 23 mei 2013 om 18:29 heeft Bob Naylor het volgende geschreven: > > Norman, I was not able to check last night but will check tonight. Sorry for the delay. > Bob N > > --- On Thu, 5/23/13, Ziggo wrote: > > From: Ziggo > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013, 1:08 AM > > Hi Bob, > > That would be great. > Maybe Ron is uploading also to Wouter, but better two manuals then none. > > Best regards and thanks Bob and Ron for all the afford. > > Norman > > Email ( n.van.wijnen at gmail.com) > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 22 mei 2013 om 17:56 heeft Bob Naylor het volgende geschreven: > >> >> Norman, I may have it on my home PC (at work now). If so I'll send it to you. >> Bob N >> >> --- On Wed, 5/22/13, Ziggo wrote: >> >> From: Ziggo >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr5 service manual >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 7:41 AM >> >> Hi Luis, >> >> You are right but i am still searching for the original cr manual. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 22 mei 2013 om 15:55 heeft Luis Peromarta het volgende geschreven: >> >> > While nothing else is available, I'd use a CR7 SM. I believe everything except the az adjustment should be pretty close. >> > >> > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> > >> > El 22/05/2013, a las 15:17, Norman van Wijnen escribió: >> > >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Do someone have the CR5 service manual for scannng to pdf? >> >> It is missing on the site and i have a deck with a problem here. >> >> >> >> Thanks , >> >> >> >> Best regards >> >> >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Fri May 24 13:18:55 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. :) Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow…? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them… ..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) ..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter…, have you ever thought about selling your gear? I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem. I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7. i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy money. :) there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year round. well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the other. sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today, many million dollar recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence to stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also have the luxury going home and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film. in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle, popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG. /Cy On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. 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URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri May 24 13:43:44 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 04:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <3B45393C-8EDE-4506-BA4D-621477262347@yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3B45393C-8EDE-4506-BA4D-621477262347@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369395824.76700.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I truly do not want to get into this debate, but I do feel compelled to make one comment. Kevin, you ask what do smartphones, iPods and iPads have to do with anything musical?  Well, let me ask you one question.  How do most people these days listen to music?  That's right - on these devices.  In fact, the iPod was specifically developed for the sole purpose of listening to music.  Back when I was young, we all listened to music on stereo systems.  For the most part, these have now all but disappeared (except for audiophiles).  And today, people in their 20s never even heard of stereo systems.  People are quite content to listen to mp3s on their smartphones, iPods, etc., which we all know destroys musical quality by compressing the audio spectrum, and then further destroys what sound quality is left by those cheap and tiny earbud headphones they wear.      ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL When you say stick to Naks, you seem to have made a few people laugh. They mailed me because they know and some have met me.  I'm not going to presume about you like you do about be because I do not know you. What I do know is that there are many people who are not sharing your opinions and thankfully they complete the circle. Stick to what you know Kevin because you seemed to have formed an impression that's so out of touch.  Sent from my iPhone On 24/05/2013, at 12:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side.  "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. > >Kevin > > > > >________________________________ > From: Bala Ganesh >To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > >What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably  die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > >This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > >Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it.  > > >You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > >Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri May 24 17:02:53 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:02:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Kevin! There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them. So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck from north of Germany. The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working, (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds. When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks " I think that would be a digital way of thinking A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, old techs, and now learning techs" ............... Gerhard  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything > musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for > analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry > child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the > other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're > talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train > younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group > that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and > selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a > scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic > tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them > to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market > system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're > fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of > large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do > with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) > than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as > well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports > people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only > practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very > happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of > these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in > a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse > argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary > or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the > comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like > yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing > and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines > and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who > are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn > this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of > machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or > shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give > you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am > young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are > many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to > prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the > myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby > and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the > crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can > outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer > knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for > another generation. 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URL: From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com Fri May 24 18:14:23 2013 From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:14:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com>, <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: nice mail Cy ;) From: le.cyrus at gmail.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:55 -0400 To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com CC: Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. :) Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow…? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them…..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) ..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter…, have you ever thought about selling your gear? I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem. I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7. i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy money. :) there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year round. well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the other. sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today, many million dollar recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence to stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also have the luxury going home and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film. in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle, popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG. /Cy On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote:What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin From: Bala Ganesh To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 24 20:07:08 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 04:07:08 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: That what a really good one. Made me fire my ZX9 up at 4am - come on baby light my fire! Love this hobby! Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 25/05/2013, at 2:14 AM, pieter rodgers wrote: > nice mail Cy ;) > > From: le.cyrus at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:55 -0400 > To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com > CC: > > > Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. > > Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. > > Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. :) > Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow…? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. > > Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them… > ..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) > > ..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter…, have you ever thought about selling your gear? > > I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem. I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) > I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7. i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy money. :) > > > > there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year round. > > well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the other. sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today, many million dollar recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence to stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also have the luxury going home and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film. in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle, popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG. > > > /Cy > > > > > > > On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri May 24 19:23:43 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:23:43 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB02E953@STVTEX05> Hey Kevin and Cyrus: love you both and your texts, and your arguments - from both - ...but guys: let´s get back to good ol´ Naks, sipping a frapucchino! And if anyone decides to put something up for sale, please share it with us first!! Have a great week-end! Rodrigo Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Cyrus Shirali Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de maio de 2013 08:19 Para: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. :) Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow...? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another convo on R2R...thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them... ..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) ..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter..., have you ever thought about selling your gear? I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem. I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7. i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy money. :) there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year round. well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the other. sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today, many million dollar recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence to stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also have the luxury going home and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film. in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle, popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG. /Cy On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner > wrote: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner >; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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URL: From scott.h.garner at lmco.com Fri May 24 19:23:41 2013 From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:23:41 +0000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Dear Kevin! There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them. So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck from north of Germany. The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working, (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds. When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks " I think that would be a digital way of thinking A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, old techs, and now learning techs" ............... Gerhard xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner >; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 25 00:34:03 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:34:03 +1000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The PPs were never junk. 30 years ago, they were suitable for what they were supposed to do at the price. Nak wasn't the only manufacturer to use them in fact. I also wouldn't call it a disease because with any equipment of a certain age, such things are bound to happen. Even if they didn't, we have to fix them. The orange caps are being changed because they fail and the decks won't work. But there are other components that need to be changed but people aren't. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 25/05/2013, at 3:23 AM, "Garner, Scott H" wrote: > Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM > To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > Dear Kevin! > > There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! > > So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, > > NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. > > I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them. > > So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. > > One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck > from north of Germany. > > The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working, > (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds. > > When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks " > I think that would be a digital way of thinking > > A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, > old techs, and now learning techs" ............... > > Gerhard > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: > > > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat May 25 16:09:16 2013 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 07:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1369490956.94738.YahooMailClassic@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Orange PP's produced in Japan ( which were used in Naks ) are infact Junk or going to be junk fast. Prefer to use current generation of better PP in Naks Kannan --- On Fri, 5/24/13, Bala Ganesh wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, May 24, 2013, 6:34 PM The PPs were never junk. 30 years ago, they were suitable for what they were supposed to do at the price. Nak wasn't  the only manufacturer to use them in fact.  I also wouldn't call it a disease because with any equipment of a certain age, such things are bound to happen. Even if they didn't, we have to fix them. The orange caps are being changed because they fail and the decks won't work. But there are other components that need to be changed but people aren't.  Best Regards,  Bala Ganesh On 25/05/2013, at 3:23 AM, "Garner, Scott H" wrote: Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix anything, they where junk then and they are junk now.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL   Dear Kevin!   There was no NAK  tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one!   So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300,   NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan.    I did make contact to  Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them.   So,... I am a  mechanic, and if it goes to difficult  with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit,  a 72 years old  electronic Ingenier does teach  me and help me out.   One working ZXL did get sold. To a  jung buyer  from Ukraine.  He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck from  north of Germany.    The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working,  (Connectors have been cleaned.) The  Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds.   When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks "   I think that would be a digital way of  thinking     A analogue  way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, old techs, and now learning techs" ...............   Gerhard       xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side.  "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin   From: Bala Ganesh To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL   What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably  die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us.   This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them.   Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it.    You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive.   Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 25 16:49:07 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 00:49:07 +1000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369490956.94738.YahooMailClassic@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1369490956.94738.YahooMailClassic@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1C4A2C81-CFCF-49AF-827A-9B5768E3EF46@yahoo.com> I wonder why would people like Mcintosh use them then in their equipment back in their time? Was Mcintosh and Nakamichi junk? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 26/05/2013, at 12:09 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > Orange PP's produced in Japan ( which were used in Naks ) are infact Junk or going to be junk fast. > Prefer to use current generation of better PP in Naks > Kannan > > --- On Fri, 5/24/13, Bala Ganesh wrote: > > From: Bala Ganesh > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, May 24, 2013, 6:34 PM > > The PPs were never junk. 30 years ago, they were suitable for what they were supposed to do at the price. Nak wasn't the only manufacturer to use them in fact. > > I also wouldn't call it a disease because with any equipment of a certain age, such things are bound to happen. Even if they didn't, we have to fix them. The orange caps are being changed because they fail and the decks won't work. But there are other components that need to be changed but people aren't. > > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 25/05/2013, at 3:23 AM, "Garner, Scott H" wrote: > >> Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. >> >> >> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha >> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM >> To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL >> > > > > Dear Kevin! > > > > There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! > > > > So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, > > > > NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. > > > > I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them. > > > > So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. > > > > One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck > > from north of Germany. > > > > The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working, > > (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds. > > > > When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks " > > I think that would be a digital way of thinking > > > > A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, > > old techs, and now learning techs" ............... > > > > Gerhard > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: > > > > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. > > > Best Regards, > > Bala Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri May 24 22:36:07 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 22:36:07 +0200 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My be junk, but they worked fast and fine 30 years in my Nak. Now they still look fine in orange. This photo shows a ZXL CPU after 22 years without use, from Melbourne/ Australia. Moving the head-base, replace belts, and this Deck did work again. Gerhard  Am 24.05.2013 um 19:23 schrieb Garner, Scott H: > Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix > anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM > To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > > Dear Kevin! > > > > There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! > > > > So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, > > > > NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. > > > > I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original > relays and pinch rollers from them. > > > > So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL > locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old > electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. > > > > One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He > organised a truck driver to get him this Deck > > from north of Germany. > > > > The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived > working, > > (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 > seconds. > > > > When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and > selling decks " > > I think that would be a digital way of thinking > > > > A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out > there,.... posing techs, > > old techs, and now learning techs" ............... > > > > Gerhard > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: > > > > > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything > musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for > analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry > child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the > other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're > talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train > younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group > that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and > selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a > scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic > tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them > to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market > system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're > fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of > large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do > with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) > than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as > well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports > people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only > practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very > happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of > these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in > a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse > argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary > or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the > comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like > yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing > and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines > and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who > are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn > this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of > machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or > shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give > you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am > young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are > many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to > prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the > myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby > and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the > crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can > outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer > knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for > another generation. 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Sat May 25 13:20:54 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 07:20:54 -0400 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB02E953@STVTEX05> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB02E953@STVTEX05> Message-ID: <9DC78D4B-4364-4756-98EF-8D7DBEE98EA1@gmail.com> :) Rodrigo is right, please PM first if you have any goods to sell. ..(slurping my frappucchino through my Roland Re-201 Tape Delay as i type this) -----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxRZ7Xt-ys Have a great Memorial Weekend! btw… I am almost complete with my studio, "do you hear that snap?," ---->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW92t264eBM /Cy On May 24, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > Hey Kevin and Cyrus: love you both and your texts, and your arguments – from both - …but guys: let´s get back to good ol´ Naks, sipping a frapucchino! > And if anyone decides to put something up for sale, please share it with us first!! > Have a great week-end! > > Rodrigo Krause > > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Cyrus Shirali > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de maio de 2013 08:19 > Para: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. > > Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. > > Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. :) > Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow…? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. > > Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them… > ..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) > > ..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter…, have you ever thought about selling your gear? > > I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem. I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) > I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7. i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy money. :) > > > > there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year round. > > well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the other. sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today, many million dollar recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence to stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also have the luxury going home and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film. in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle, popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG. > > > /Cy > > > > > > > On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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URL: From le.cyrus at gmail.com Sat May 25 14:06:43 2013 From: le.cyrus at gmail.com (Cyrus Shirali) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:06:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com>, <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7619B465-1682-4A91-B784-3BB63E8D53B5@gmail.com> :) Have a great weekend naks! here is a gem yo kick start your weekend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWeBBGK_bcA Bala u can do drums Kevin i will put on the Mic & Me on keys On May 24, 2013, at 12:14 PM, pieter rodgers wrote: > nice mail Cy ;) > > From: le.cyrus at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:55 -0400 > To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com > CC: > > > Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. > > Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. > > Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. :) > Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow…? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. > > Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them… > ..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) > > ..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter…, have you ever thought about selling your gear? > > I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem. I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) > I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7. i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy money. :) > > > > there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year round. > > well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the other. sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today, many million dollar recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence to stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also have the luxury going home and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film. in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle, popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG. > > > /Cy > > > > > > > On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Sat May 25 17:56:13 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 15:56:13 +0000 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB02ECD6@STVTEX05> Hi Wouter, I'm curious as to why my replies to the Naktalk group no longer appear. Am I being blocked in any way? Am I using the wrong channel? Thank you, Rodrigo Krause ------Mensagem original------ De: Wouter Heijke Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Responder a: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual Enviada: 26 abr, 2013 05:31 If someone makes a pdf available i will be happy to place it on the wiki page so all can download it. Wouter > I would be interested as well in the 480 Z SM. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Rodrigo Krause dos S. R. Relações com Investidores Multiplan S.A. +55 21 3031-5600 Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Sat May 25 19:50:22 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 17:50:22 +0000 Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <9DC78D4B-4364-4756-98EF-8D7DBEE98EA1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB02ED63@STVTEX05> Hey Cyrus: you may be "a tad" outspoken, but you definitely are a riot (in writing...!). Best! Rodrigo Rodrigo Krause dos S. R. Relações com Investidores Multiplan S.A. +55 21 3031-5600 ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Sat May 25 08:20:54 2013 Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL :) Rodrigo is right, please PM first if you have any goods to sell. ..(slurping my frappucchino through my Roland Re-201 Tape Delay as i type this) -----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxRZ7Xt-ys Have a great Memorial Weekend! btw… I am almost complete with my studio, "do you hear that snap?," ---->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW92t264eBM /Cy On May 24, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Rodrigo Krause > wrote: Hey Kevin and Cyrus: love you both and your texts, and your arguments – from both - …but guys: let´s get back to good ol´ Naks, sipping a frapucchino! And if anyone decides to put something up for sale, please share it with us first!! Have a great week-end! Rodrigo Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Cyrus Shirali Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de maio de 2013 08:19 Para: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. :) Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow…? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them… ..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) ..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter…, have you ever thought about selling your gear? I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem. I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7. i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy money. :) there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year round. well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the other. sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today, many million dollar recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence to stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also have the luxury going home and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film. in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle, popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG. /Cy On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner > wrote: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner >; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun May 26 12:31:26 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 03:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <7619B465-1682-4A91-B784-3BB63E8D53B5@gmail.com> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com>, <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <74BA736A-CF30-4EB4-A8D5-A0CD38F1DF3E@gmail.com> <7619B465-1682-4A91-B784-3BB63E8D53B5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1369564286.97470.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That was one breathtaking performance! Really amazing! It would do justice on a Nak 600.  ________________________________ From: Cyrus Shirali To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL :) Have a great weekend naks! here is a gem yo kick start your weekend  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWeBBGK_bcA Bala u can do drums Kevin i will put on the Mic & Me on keys On May 24, 2013, at 12:14 PM, pieter rodgers wrote: nice mail Cy ;) > > > >________________________________ >From: le.cyrus at gmail.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL >Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:55 -0400 >To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com >CC:  > > > > >Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. > > >Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion.  > > >Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case..  :)  >Or  were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a young "hipster"  talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow…? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. > > >Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them… >..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) > > >..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter…, have you ever thought  about selling your gear? > > >I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem.  I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :)  >I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x  the price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7.  i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy money. :) > > > > > > >there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year round. > > >well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the other.  sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today,  many million dollar recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence  to stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also have the luxury going home and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film.  in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle,  popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG.  > > > > >/Cy > > > > > > > > > > > >On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > >What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side.  "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not.  >> >>Kevin >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: Bala Ganesh >>To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks   >>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL >> >> >> >>What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably  die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. >> >> >>This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. >> >> >>Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it.  >> >> >>You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. >> >> >>Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 27 00:54:38 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 08:54:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dual turntables In-Reply-To: <0MNF00H7QEATRI40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MNF00H7QEATRI40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <32DADD85-E1E8-4D7E-A012-F88F756DA5CF@yahoo.com> Why aren't you using the TD126? Sent from my iPhone On 27/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, goodguy wrote: > Hi gents, > > I realize this is for Nakamichi cassette decks of which I own two, a Dragon and a 600 MkI. > > But, as like most of us here, we own lots of other stereo goodies. I have a Thorens TD126 MkII which has a Shure V15VxMR my recording needs. > > However, it's not the ideal setup for 45's. > > If anyone has a Dual 1019 in perfect condition, please contact me off list. And puhlease, I know all about eBay, craigslist, etc,... so don't recommend anything other than TT that YOU have. > > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Mon May 27 04:31:00 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (josephjean at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:31:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dual turntables Message-ID: <0MNF006WFQW9R8A0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> I do. It's my bread and butter TT. I just want an automatic changer for 45s. The TT126 is for just the LPs. -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Subj: Re: [naktalk] Dual turntables Date: Sun May 26, 2013 7:08 pm Size: 1K To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks cc: Nakamichi tapedecks Why aren't you using the TD126? Sent from my iPhone On 27/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, goodguy wrote: Hi gents, I realize this is for Nakamichi cassette decks of which I own two, a Dragon and a 600 MkI. But, as like most of us here, we own lots of other stereo goodies. I have a Thorens TD126 MkII which has a Shure V15VxMR my recording needs. However, it's not the ideal setup for 45's. If anyone has a Dual 1019 in perfect condition, please contact me off list. And puhlease, I know all about eBay, craigslist, etc,... so don't recommend anything other than TT that YOU have. Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --- message truncated --- From luis at peromarta.org Sun May 26 16:45:53 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 16:45:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. Message-ID: No comment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 749301 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. From eugen_iov at bigpond.com Mon May 27 11:01:19 2013 From: eugen_iov at bigpond.com (Eugen Iov) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:01:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauges and Test Tapes Message-ID: <001801ce5ab8$c1790820$446b1860$@bigpond.com> Hi Nakamichi lovers, My name is Eugen and I am from Sydney Australia. After long searches I finally managed to get a NAKAMICHI DRAGON. Unfortunately when I purchase it had a series of issues. I managed to clear some of them but the transport mechanism needs a full rebuild. I ordered a service kit from Germany but I can see without NAKAMICHI Gauges I cannot perform this operation. Willy Herman Services lists as Casette Gauge is no longer available. Also I need the one for tilt and back tension. Does anyone have any gauges which he want to sell? Or anyone rents this to get the job done and return? Anyone which has information on this please contact me. Any suggestions much appreciated. Also, for this job I will need test tapes. 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De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Gerhard Wartha Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de maio de 2013 17:36 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL My be junk, but they worked fast and fine 30 years in my Nak. Now they still look fine in orange. This photo shows a ZXL CPU after 22 years without use, from Melbourne/ Australia. Moving the head-base, replace belts, and this Deck did work again. Gerhard Am 24.05.2013 um 19:23 schrieb Garner, Scott H: Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Dear Kevin! There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them. So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck from north of Germany. The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working, (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds. When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks " I think that would be a digital way of thinking A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, old techs, and now learning techs" ............... Gerhard xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner >; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 27 19:16:44 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 03:16:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where are the Macs LP? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 27/05/2013, at 12:45 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > No comment. > > > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon May 27 19:25:37 2013 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 07:25:37 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Luis, On the left side I can see part of what looks like my old Sony STR-7065 Receiver. Are my eyes deceiving me? I still have mine (boxed) but it needs work. Always loved that old thing.... Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. No comment. From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon May 27 19:15:02 2013 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:15:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Exquisite collection my friend :-) On May 27, 2013 12:13 PM, "Luis Peromarta" wrote: > No comment. > > > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartgjolliffe at compuserve.com Mon May 27 19:24:44 2013 From: stuartgjolliffe at compuserve.com (Stuart Jolliffe) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 18:24:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do I spy a Pioneer TX9100 Tuner and SA9100 Amp or are my Eyes deceiving me I had these and the matching cassette deck in 1976(ish) I have managed to retain a BX125 and Revox B77 Stuart -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: 26 May 2013 15:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. No comment. From scottcampb at gmail.com Mon May 27 20:05:40 2013 From: scottcampb at gmail.com (Scott Campbell) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:05:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <201305271017.r4RA7gcn012571@zxe.naks.com> References: <201305271017.r4RA7gcn012571@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Dear Nak experts, I am looking to acquire a Nak with azimuth playback adjustment, and wonder whether manual (as in the CR-7, for instance) or automatic (as in the Dragon, for instance) is best? Any suggestions/opinions? Along those lines, someone is currently offering a Dragon on eBay and has this to say about the Dragon's azimuth adjusting capability: "The Dragon not only plays both sides of the tape without needing to flip it over, but it automatically adjusts the playback head for proper azimuth to match the recording head, continuously, as it plays! It can even tell if half the tape was recorded on one machine, and the other half of the tape was on a different machine, and it adjusts automatically when the error in azimuth occurs." Is it true that the Dragon continuously adjusts during playback? And will it detect and correct more than one different recording on a tape? Thanks for your consideration. Scott Campbell On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:17 AM, wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 2. Dual turntables (goodguy) > 3. Re: Dual turntables (Bala Ganesh) > 4. Re: Dual turntables (josephjean at verizon.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 03:31:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1369564286.97470.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > That was one breathtaking performance! Really amazing! It would do justice > on a Nak 600. > > > ________________________________ > From: Cyrus Shirali > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > > :) Have a great weekend naks! > > here is a gem yo kick start your weekend > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWeBBGK_bcA > > Bala u can do drums > Kevin i will put on the Mic > & Me on keys > > > > > On May 24, 2013, at 12:14 PM, pieter rodgers < > the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote: > > nice mail Cy ;) > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: le.cyrus at gmail.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > >Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:55 -0400 > >To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com > >CC: > > > > > > > > > >Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with > everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and > portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and rip > you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats pretty cool > if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will eventually share to > someone the interests of something in particular, and they too will spread > the word. technology, its only moving forward. > > > > > >Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, fashion, > art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. > Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. > Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. > > > > > >Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an ebay > item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his recent > purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of Nike Michael > Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. :) > >Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a > young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow…? > I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. > > > > > >Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear another > convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk over > with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and share the > wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And in turn, they > will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell before you know it, you > will be showing one of the young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette > with the bangs thats sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog > collection, and then you find yourself having some great sex on your > original Charles and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are > smoking some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking > about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both > eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that > only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and > interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn > nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on > that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on > your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson > gave you because he already has 4 of them… > >..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, and > just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and she > is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she has her > cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing > this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't shared his secrets > with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff notes :) > > > > > >..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at times, > but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and > demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what they > want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. someone is > making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a blue book value for > items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. > Speaking of that matter…, have you ever thought about selling your gear? > > > > > >I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with manuals > and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you decide > and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my twitter and post > it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell i will even go analog > and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss them to sea, and use > pigeons and foxes as messengers for your auctions. i can learn sign > language and and communicate it that way too, braille..no problem. I'll > make you rich, filthy rich, you can rip all your analog tracks on your new > iPhone, and buy that yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) > >I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and with > your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for R2R > gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters. > Eventually I will be boss of our entrepreneurship, i will be richer than > you, and I will wear a double breasted suit 24/7. i will make cut backs on > repairs of R2R and gear, you complain about how you make less money, and > want to revive what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold > me your MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at > minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid garage as I > make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that i sell for crazy > money. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his old > ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage all year > round. > > > > > >well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or analog, > vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade the whole > lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on old methods, old > techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique and warmer than the > other. sometimes that in itself is inspiration, creating something new > with an old classic way for a unique sound. Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie > were thinking that same thing when they made the first Fairlight digital > sampler. I am sure someone disputed their creation and how it wasn't real > sound compared to Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC > with tapes, reels and mellotrons. But even today, many million dollar > recording studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence to > stream it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our > smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we also > have the luxury going home > and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and > develop pictures from film. in reality maybe some people (young or old) > that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed > audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and > fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a > needle, popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, > tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and > using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG. > > > > > > > > > >/Cy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > >What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything > musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, > really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs > are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, > realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older > magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the > 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing > as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even > own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic > tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to > behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of > course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about > something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger > groups on the Net that have to > do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than > Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with > legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and > dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate > about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so > that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger > generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw > horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or > revisionist you're not. > >> > >>Kevin > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >>From: Bala Ganesh > >>To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > >>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > >> > >> > >> > >>What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the > comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself > seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were > gone, this is coming with us. > >> > >> > >>This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and > now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, > fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am > among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever > boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless > Them. > >> > >> > >>Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you > numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough > to know what's happening and see and experience it. > >> > >> > >>You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many > people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything > to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have > chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope > more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this > analogue passion alive. > >> > >> > >>Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast > the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here > makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's > what it about. > >> > >>Best Regards, > >>Bala Ganesh > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> > >> > >> > >>> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130526/a90080b5/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 17:56:52 -0400 > From: goodguy > Subject: [naktalk] Dual turntables > To: Nakamichi tapedecks > Message-ID: <0MNF00H7QEATRI40 at vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi gents, > > I realize this is for Nakamichi cassette decks of which I own two, a > Dragon and a 600 MkI. > > But, as like most of us here, we own lots of other stereo goodies. I > have a Thorens TD126 MkII which has a Shure V15VxMR my recording needs. > > However, it's not the ideal setup for 45's. > > If anyone has a Dual 1019 in perfect condition, please contact me off > list. And puhlease, I know all about eBay, craigslist, etc,... so > don't recommend anything other than TT that YOU have. > > > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130526/1417b037/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 08:54:38 +1000 > From: Bala Ganesh > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dual turntables > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: Nakamichi tapedecks > Message-ID: <32DADD85-E1E8-4D7E-A012-F88F756DA5CF at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Why aren't you using the TD126? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 27/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, goodguy wrote: > > > Hi gents, > > > > I realize this is for Nakamichi cassette decks of which I own two, a > Dragon and a 600 MkI. > > > > But, as like most of us here, we own lots of other stereo goodies. I > have a Thorens TD126 MkII which has a Shure V15VxMR my recording needs. > > > > However, it's not the ideal setup for 45's. > > > > If anyone has a Dual 1019 in perfect condition, please contact me off > list. And puhlease, I know all about eBay, craigslist, etc,... so don't > recommend anything other than TT that YOU have. > > > > > > Roland > > > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130527/aec77de8/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:31:00 -0400 > From: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dual turntables > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <0MNF006WFQW9R8A0 at vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I do. It's my bread and butter TT. > > I just want an automatic changer for 45s. The TT126 is for just the LPs. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bala Ganesh > Subj: Re: [naktalk] Dual turntables > Date: Sun May 26, 2013 7:08 pm > Size: 1K > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > cc: Nakamichi tapedecks > > Why aren't you using the TD126? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 27/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, goodguy wrote: > > > Hi gents, > > I realize this is for Nakamichi cassette decks of which I own two, a > Dragon and a 600 MkI. > > But, as like most of us here, we own lots of other stereo goodies. I have > a Thorens TD126 MkII which has a Shure V15VxMR my recording needs. > > However, it's not the ideal setup for 45's. > > If anyone has a Dual 1019 in perfect condition, please contact me off > list. And puhlease, I know all about eBay, craigslist, etc,... so don't > recommend anything other than TT that YOU have. > > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- message truncated --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 29 > **************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Mon May 27 20:46:53 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:46:53 +0200 Subject: RES: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB02F217@STVTEX05> References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB02F217@STVTEX05> Message-ID: <65135DCD-CF4B-4951-843C-CAA9CE0EA0FA@gmail.com>  Am 27.05.2013 um 18:03 schrieb Rodrigo Krause: > Hi Gerhard, > > Did you forget to attach the picture? > > > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em > nome de Gerhard Wartha > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de maio de 2013 17:36 > Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Assunto: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > My be junk, but they worked fast and fine 30 years in my Nak. Now > they still look fine in orange. > > > This photo shows a ZXL CPU after 22 years without use, from > Melbourne/ Australia. > > > Moving the head-base, replace belts, and this Deck did work again. > > > Gerhard > > > > > Am 24.05.2013 um 19:23 schrieb Garner, Scott H: > > > > Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix > anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM > To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > Dear Kevin! > > > There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! > > > So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, > > > NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. > > > I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original > relays and pinch rollers from them. > > > So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL > locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old > electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. > > > One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He > organised a truck driver to get him this Deck > > from north of Germany. > > > The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived > working, > > (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 > seconds. > > > When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and > selling decks " > > I think that would be a digital way of thinking > > > A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out > there,.... posing techs, > > old techs, and now learning techs" ............... > > > Gerhard > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: > > > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything > musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for > analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry > child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the > other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're > talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train > younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group > that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and > selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a > scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic > tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them > to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market > system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're > fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of > large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do > with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) > than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as > well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports > people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only > practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very > happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of > these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in > a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse > argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary > or revisionist you're not. > > Kevin > > > From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the > comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like > yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing > and once were gone, this is coming with us. > > > This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines > and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who > are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn > this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of > machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or > shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. > > > Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give > you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am > young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. > > > You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are > many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to > prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the > myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby > and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the > crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. > > > Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can > outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer > knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for > another generation. That's what it about. > > > Best Regards, > > Bala Ganesh > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser > retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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El 27/05/2013, a las 19:16, Bala Ganesh escribió: > Where are the Macs LP? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 27/05/2013, at 12:45 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> No comment. >> >> >> >> >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Tue May 28 00:57:53 2013 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (Dave) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 18:57:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C8C22DC-E230-4FEA-BD08-D770515AB5D3@bellsouth.net> I like it. I own three of the same components, 1000ZXL, Bose 901's with pedestals, and the dbx route selector. >From David On May 26, 2013, at 10:45, Luis Peromarta wrote: No comment. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. From avss01 at gmail.com Tue May 28 04:02:44 2013 From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:02:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauges and Test Tapes In-Reply-To: <001801ce5ab8$c1790820$446b1860$@bigpond.com> References: <001801ce5ab8$c1790820$446b1860$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: Hi Eugen Fellow Naker from Queensland. I have used alignment tapes from both Luis in Spain and Gennady in New Zealand. I also use Willy's WHS-300 gauge. Be warned that it will need a slight modification when used in a nakamichi transport. I hope Willy is continuing to have this great gauge manufactured. The alignment tapes are of course manufactured (not original) but are a lot better than old clapped out second-hand originals. Original Nakamichi gauges are very hard to come by, and I know of no one in Australia willing to lend them out for obvious reasons. Trust me, I have asked. Don't let that stop you, you can rebuild transports without the gauges, but you have to develop other techniques for getting everything aligned perfectly. www.gennlab.com www.naks.es Regards David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 28 07:46:10 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:46:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2EB2CA35-E468-477F-A48B-9BE8030FA9D1@peromarta.org> Yes. Silver 1973 pioneers. These were my father's stereo, plus a pair of Bose 901 series I and a Thorens TD125 mkII + Shure V15 type III Very distinctive sound! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 27/05/2013, a las 19:24, "Stuart Jolliffe" escribió: > Do I spy a Pioneer TX9100 Tuner and SA9100 Amp or are my Eyes deceiving me > I had these and the matching cassette deck in 1976(ish) > I have managed to retain a BX125 and Revox B77 > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: 26 May 2013 15:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. > > No comment. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue May 28 08:02:15 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:02:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <003A8375-7D67-40F2-B57F-67ECD9FAEEB8@yahoo.com> Yes! Good you have them around! How is the MC2000? I sold mine. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 28/05/2013, at 5:33 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > These? > > > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 27/05/2013, a las 19:16, Bala Ganesh escribió: > >> Where are the Macs LP? >> >> Best Regards, >> Bala Ganesh >> >> On 27/05/2013, at 12:45 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >>> No comment. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From josephjean at verizon.net Tue May 28 13:57:16 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:57:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0MNI00H2SBVFS390@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> Thanks for posting this picture! I had to show my wife that I'm not the only guy in town that needs more than two cassette decks! At 10:45 AM 5/26/2013, you wrote: >No comment. > > > > > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From josephjean at verizon.net Tue May 28 13:58:01 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:58:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <0MNI00F3SBWO5P30@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Just when I thought I couldn't be more envious! WOW!! At 03:33 PM 5/27/2013, you wrote: >These? > > > > > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >El 27/05/2013, a las 19:16, Bala Ganesh escribió: > > > Where are the Macs LP? > > > > Best Regards, > > Bala Ganesh > > > > On 27/05/2013, at 12:45 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > >> No comment. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Tue May 28 13:04:57 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 04:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <1369739097.92590.YahooMailNeo@web140605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have a comment about this arrangement.  All of your amps, pe-amps, tuners, cassette decks, etc. are resting right on top of each other.  Unless all of these have an internal fan, these have grills on top for natural convection (ventilation), and by stacking them like this, you are blocking the heat produced from escaping.  This is not healthy, as it can lead to overheating and cause circuit components to fry.  I am sure that if you check the owner's manual for these devices that have top grills that it says to leave at least a one to two inch space, if not more, above so natural convection can occur.  Jayson ________________________________ From: Luis Peromarta To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Lucky me. These? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 27/05/2013, a las 19:16, Bala Ganesh escribió: > Where are the Macs LP? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > On 27/05/2013, at 12:45 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> No comment. >> >> >> >> >> Sent from iPhone. 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If the error signal takes a sudden large shift from azimuth or there is a silent gap of at least 5 -7 seconds, it will readjust itself. This ability varies in success depending on the serial number and the condition of the alignment and calibration. When it works as designed it is really an amazing feat and the sound difference as it plays back tapes often better than the deck that recorded it is audibly obvious. However, that said, there are plenty of tapes that a Dragon simply can not play. It's azimuth range adjust has limits and out of the thousand or so tapes I own, I have perhaps 30 that will not play without damaging the Dragon but sound just fine on other decks, so a CR-7 or Cassette Deck One would not have that limit. In addition, NAAC can be fooled and you would not know and have no recourse as there is no manual override. Dragons are great decks, for a lot of reasons, but due to those and other factors (costs for both purchase and qualified service, parts, etc) I never recommend it as an only or first deck, and then only purchase from a reputable seller or have a service expert lined up. Not one single Dragon I have ever purchased (6) or the over a dozen that have come to me for service had a NAAC that worked correctly, and many were previously "serviced", and the owner told that was the best that could be done, or repairs not possible, or repairs complete with the owner able to obviously tell it still didn't work right. If you have deep pockets and want the best, buy one from ESL in CT. It WILL work better than new. Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone From scott.h.garner at lmco.com Tue May 28 15:27:00 2013 From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:27:00 +0000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <201305201015.r4KA7eNx021324@zxe.naks.com> <1369057592.34136.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369183616.79071.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369197688.41522.YahooMailNeo@web162802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369213722.40770.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1369231579.17096.YahooMailNeo@web162801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369318327.85682.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They don't even come close to the new caps that are available today. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL My be junk, but they worked fast and fine 30 years in my Nak. Now they still look fine in orange. This photo shows a ZXL CPU after 22 years without use, from Melbourne/ Australia. Moving the head-base, replace belts, and this Deck did work again. Gerhard Am 24.05.2013 um 19:23 schrieb Garner, Scott H: Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Dear Kevin! There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them. So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck from north of Germany. The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working, (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds. When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks " I think that would be a digital way of thinking A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, old techs, and now learning techs" ............... Gerhard xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner >; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. 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URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Tue May 28 15:32:49 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:32:49 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Lucky me. In-Reply-To: <2EB2CA35-E468-477F-A48B-9BE8030FA9D1@peromarta.org> References: <2EB2CA35-E468-477F-A48B-9BE8030FA9D1@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB02FD35@STVTEX05> Hi Luis, Is that ZXL1000 on the top of your bookshelf the one you were fixing when I visited? -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Luis Peromarta Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de maio de 2013 02:46 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Lucky me. Yes. Silver 1973 pioneers. These were my father's stereo, plus a pair of Bose 901 series I and a Thorens TD125 mkII + Shure V15 type III Very distinctive sound! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 27/05/2013, a las 19:24, "Stuart Jolliffe" escribió: > Do I spy a Pioneer TX9100 Tuner and SA9100 Amp or are my Eyes > deceiving me I had these and the matching cassette deck in 1976(ish) I > have managed to retain a BX125 and Revox B77 > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: 26 May 2013 15:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Lucky me. > > No comment. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue May 28 15:36:53 2013 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (joyell.solie at sasktel.net) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:36:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: <201305271017.r4RA7gcn012571@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20130528073653.so6dxieccg8csoo4@webmail.sasktel.net> Yes, it's true Scott. Dragon checks and adjusts azimuth the entire time the tape is playing. You won't find a better deck for playing back tapes than a Dragon that's working properly. To keep a Dragon working properly is getting hard to do though. :(  You might be better off with a manual azimuth deck Cheers, Rainer S.   On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:05:40 -0700, Scott Campbell wrote: Dear Nak experts,   I am looking to acquire a Nak with azimuth playback adjustment, and wonder whether manual (as in the CR-7, for instance) or automatic (as in the Dragon, for instance) is best? Any suggestions/opinions?   Along those lines, someone is currently offering a Dragon on eBay and has this to say about the Dragon's azimuth adjusting capability: "The Dragon not only plays both sides of the tape without needing to flip it over, but it automatically adjusts the playback head for proper azimuth to match the recording head, continuously, as it plays! It can even tell if half the tape was recorded on one machine, and the other half of the tape was on a different machine, and it adjusts automatically when the error in azimuth occurs." Is it true that the Dragon continuously adjusts during playback? And will it detect and correct more than one different recording on a tape? Thanks for your consideration. Scott Campbell   On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:17 AM, wrote: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to         naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit         http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to         naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at         naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics:    1. Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL (Bala Ganesh Chandra)    2. Dual turntables (goodguy)    3. Re: Dual turntables (Bala Ganesh)    4. Re: Dual turntables (josephjean at verizon.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 03:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID:         Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That was one breathtaking performance! Really amazing! It would do justice on a Nak 600.  ________________________________  From: Cyrus Shirali To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL :) Have a great weekend naks! here is a gem yo kick start your weekend  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWeBBGK_bcA Bala u can do drums Kevin i will put on the Mic & Me on keys On May 24, 2013, at 12:14 PM, pieter rodgers wrote: nice mail Cy ;) > > > > ________________________________ > From: le.cyrus at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:55 -0400 > To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com > CC:  > > > > > Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with > everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and > portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and > rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats > pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will > eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, > and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving > forward. > > > Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, > fashion, art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its > all a circle. Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate > more than others. Some grew up with it, some came across with it with > new found passion.  > > > Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an > ebay item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his > recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of > Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. >  :)  > Or  were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear > a young "hipster"  talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another > fellow…? I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. > > > Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear > another convo on R2R…thats when you take the opportunity and you > jump in, walk over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in > the convo and share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual > interests. And in turn, they will look up to you for advice and > knowledge.. hell before you know it, you will be showing one of the > young cuter hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats > sipping on her double caramel latte), your analog collection, and > then you find yourself having some great sex on your original Charles > and Ray Eames furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking > some nice medical pot that she brought, and you both are talking > about tapes and analog, and how it used to be, etc etc... later you > both eat some food at new "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a > place that only plays music on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a > new friend and  interest. you even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them… > ..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, > and just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell > rings, and she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but > this time she has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky > dog! Kevin, Bala has been doing this for years, his game is on point, > he just hasn't shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give > you some cliff notes :) > > > ..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at > times, but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". > supply and demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to > pay for what they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" > of times.. someone is making money from it. I think many people see > Ebay as a blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening > with old synths i want or other gear. Speaking of that matter…, > have you ever thought  about selling your gear? > > > I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with > manuals and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know > when you decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it > on my twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram > it, hell i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles > and toss them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for > your auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that > way too, braille..no problem.  I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you > can rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that > yellow vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :)  > I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and > with your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can > hunt for R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x  the > price to youngsters. Eventually I will be boss of our > entrepreneurship, i will be richer than you, and I will wear a double > breasted suit 24/7.  i will make cut backs on repairs of R2R and > gear, you complain about how you make less money, and want to revive > what it used to be, I fire you. but you need a job, you sold me your > MG Racer already for pennies, and so I smile and rehire you at > minimal wage, soon you find yourself working in a hot and humid > garage as I make you fix reels with elmers glue and scotch tape, that > i sell for crazy money. :) > > > > > > > there will always be users and collectors, the guy that will take his > old ferrari out in the wet rain, the other that sits in the garage > all year round. > > > well anyways there is always gonna market for this R2R or TT, or > analog, vintage, etc.. sometime more sometimes less, the past decade > the whole lo-fi format, and generation, young and old recording on > old methods, old techniques and formats, all to be a lil more unique > and warmer than the other.  sometimes that in itself is inspiration, > creating something new with an old classic way for a unique sound. > Maybe Peter vogel and Kim Ryrie were thinking that same thing when > they made the first Fairlight digital sampler. I am sure someone > disputed their creation and how it wasn't real sound compared to > Delia Derbshire's R2R sampling techniques over at BBC with tapes, > reels and mellotrons. But even today,  many million dollar recording > studios do pure analog, and yet we have the convienence  to stream > it at horrible 128kbs, all instantly while surfing on our > smartphones, and taking pictures with our "digital" cameras. But we > also have the luxury going home  and playing a 45rpm record, and walk into our personal "darkroom" and develop pictures from film.  in reality maybe some people (young or old) that will never hear the difference between 128 or 320 or uncompressed audio, or running through tubes, or having the pleasure of rewinding and fast forwarding tapes, LP, SP, 1080p, 4K video, or finding a track with a needle,  popping in a VHS or Beta, adjusting rabbit ears antennas on a tv, tuning into a radio, or even writing command prompts through DOS to and using a 5.25 floppy drives just to play POG.  > > > > > /Cy > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything > musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for > analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry > child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the > other side.  "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're > talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train > younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group > that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and > selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a > scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic > tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to > behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of > course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing > about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. > There are bigger groups on the Net that have to  do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not.  >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bala Ganesh To: Kevin Fetner ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks   >> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL >> >> >> >> What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the >> comparison here. The hobby will probably  die because people like >> yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing >> and once were gone, this is coming with us. >> >> >> This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines >> and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who >> are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn >> this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines >> because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but >> who taught their art - Bless Them. >> >> >> Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you >> numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young >> enough to know what's happening and see and experience it.  >> >> >> You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are >> many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to >> prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the >> myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby >> and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the >> crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. >> >> >> Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can >> outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer >> knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for >> another generation. That's what it about. >> >> Best Regards,  >> Bala Ganesh >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130526/1417b037/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 08:54:38 +1000 From: Bala Ganesh Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dual turntables To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Nakamichi tapedecks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Why aren't you using the TD126? Sent from my iPhone On 27/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, goodguy wrote: > Hi gents, > > I realize this is for Nakamichi cassette decks of which I own two, a > Dragon and a 600 MkI. > > But, as like most of us here, we own lots of other stereo goodies. >  I have a Thorens TD126 MkII which has a Shure V15VxMR my recording > needs. > > However, it's not the ideal setup for 45's. > > If anyone has a Dual 1019 in perfect condition, please contact me off > list.   And puhlease, I know all about eBay, craigslist, etc,... so > don't recommend anything other than TT that YOU have. > > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20130527/aec77de8/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:31:00 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dual turntables To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I do.  It's my bread and butter TT. I just want an automatic changer for 45s.  The TT126 is for just the LPs. -----Original Message----- From:  Bala Ganesh Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Dual turntables Date:  Sun May 26, 2013 7:08 pm Size:  1K To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks cc:  Nakamichi tapedecks Why aren't you using the TD126? Sent from my iPhone On 27/05/2013, at 7:56 AM, goodguy wrote:   Hi gents,  I realize this is for Nakamichi cassette decks of which I own two, a Dragon and a 600 MkI.  But, as like most of us here, we own lots of other stereo goodies. I have a Thorens TD126 MkII which has a Shure V15VxMR my recording needs.  However, it's not the ideal setup for 45's.  If anyone has a Dual 1019 in perfect condition, please contact me off list. And puhlease,  I know all about eBay, craigslist, etc,... so don't recommend anything other than TT that YOU have.   Roland  When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    --- message truncated --- ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 29 **************************************** ------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott.h.garner at lmco.com Tue May 28 15:43:31 2013 From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:43:31 +0000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1369490956.94738.YahooMailClassic@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1369490956.94738.YahooMailClassic@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just because other manufacturers used them doesn't mean they are any good. So what MAC used them, you don't think they cut corners to keep profits up. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:09 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Orange PP's produced in Japan ( which were used in Naks ) are infact Junk or going to be junk fast. Prefer to use current generation of better PP in Naks Kannan --- On Fri, 5/24/13, Bala Ganesh > wrote: From: Bala Ganesh > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, May 24, 2013, 6:34 PM The PPs were never junk. 30 years ago, they were suitable for what they were supposed to do at the price. Nak wasn't the only manufacturer to use them in fact. I also wouldn't call it a disease because with any equipment of a certain age, such things are bound to happen. Even if they didn't, we have to fix them. The orange caps are being changed because they fail and the decks won't work. But there are other components that need to be changed but people aren't. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 25/05/2013, at 3:23 AM, "Garner, Scott H" > wrote: Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Dear Kevin! There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them. So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck from north of Germany. The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working, (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds. When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks " I think that would be a digital way of thinking A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, old techs, and now learning techs" ............... Gerhard xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner >; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. 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URL: From scott.h.garner at lmco.com Tue May 28 15:47:57 2013 From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:47:57 +0000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: <1C4A2C81-CFCF-49AF-827A-9B5768E3EF46@yahoo.com> References: <1369490956.94738.YahooMailClassic@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1C4A2C81-CFCF-49AF-827A-9B5768E3EF46@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nak or MAC are not junk, they used the parts that where available at the time…while still maintaining a decent profit margin. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL I wonder why would people like Mcintosh use them then in their equipment back in their time? Was Mcintosh and Nakamichi junk? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 26/05/2013, at 12:09 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: Orange PP's produced in Japan ( which were used in Naks ) are infact Junk or going to be junk fast. Prefer to use current generation of better PP in Naks Kannan --- On Fri, 5/24/13, Bala Ganesh > wrote: From: Bala Ganesh > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, May 24, 2013, 6:34 PM The PPs were never junk. 30 years ago, they were suitable for what they were supposed to do at the price. Nak wasn't the only manufacturer to use them in fact. I also wouldn't call it a disease because with any equipment of a certain age, such things are bound to happen. Even if they didn't, we have to fix them. The orange caps are being changed because they fail and the decks won't work. But there are other components that need to be changed but people aren't. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 25/05/2013, at 3:23 AM, "Garner, Scott H" > wrote: Why in the world would anyone want to use original PP caps to fix anything, they where junk then and they are junk now. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:03 AM To: Kevin Fetner; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL Dear Kevin! There was no NAK tech in Austria/ Vienna, Not one! So I did buy a scope, a T-100, Lots of Nak Test Tape, a M-300, NOS heads, and transports. Even original PP from Japan. I did make contact to Nak techs in Japan and did get the original relays and pinch rollers from them. So,... I am a mechanic, and if it goes to difficult with a ZXL locig PCB , or the ZXL -- A.L.B.E bias circuit, a 72 years old electronic Ingenier does teach me and help me out. One working ZXL did get sold. To a jung buyer from Ukraine. He organised a truck driver to get him this Deck from north of Germany. The Deck was packet in FOARM at Place PU FOARM, it did arrived working, (Connectors have been cleaned.) The Deck performed A.L.B.E, in 40 seconds. When You say "What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks " I think that would be a digital way of thinking A analogue way of thinking would be " there is everything out there,.... posing techs, old techs, and now learning techs" ............... Gerhard xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Am 23.05.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Kevin Fetner: What do smart phones, Ipods, Ipads have to do with anything musical....after you've gone to vintage autos and movies for analogies, really??? It's like trying to argue with a small, angry child whose legs are not strong enough to climb a hill and see the other side. "Myopic" no, realist and pragmatic, yes. Now you're talking about a movement by older magnetic tape techs to train younger techs. This is not happening in the 3000 member R2R group that I belong to. What we do have are people posing as 'techs' and selling decks on ebay for inflated prices. They don't even own a scope, the proper tools or have the knowledge to service magnetic tape decks. The scarcity of these remaining decks have driven them to behave like thieves-supply & demand again in a free-market system. Of course you can't give any numbers here because you're fantasizing about something that isn't happening on any kind of large scale. There are bigger groups on the Net that have to do with restoring old-time tube radios(before there were TV, radios) than Naktalk....would you say this is a worldwide "revival" as well, with legions of young people involved? The Net supports people in archaic and dying hobbies, because it's the only practical place left to commensurate about said hobbies. I'm very happy that groups like Naktalk were formed so that what's left of these decks can continue on. But to include younger generations in a magnetic tape deck "revival", is nothing more than a straw horse argument. Stick to Nak decks Bala, it's what you know. A visionary or revisionist you're not. Kevin ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh > To: Kevin Fetner >; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL What has smart phones got to do with this Kevin? I fail to see the comparison here. The hobby will probably die because people like yourself seem pretty determined that this is a baby boomers thing and once were gone, this is coming with us. This is wrong and there are enough baby boomers who fixed machines and now their passing on their craft to younger people. People who are young, fast and keen, but with a passion to slow down and learn this trade. I am among them and today I work on a number of machines because of the clever boomers who didn't discourage or shoo me, but who taught their art - Bless Them. Not many youngsters are what they are portrayed as. I can't give you numbers or facts and figures here. Neither do I want to. I am young enough to know what's happening and see and experience it. You seem bent on proving that there isn't a revival. But there are many people even on this forum who know better. I don't have to prove anything to you except for that that others don't take the myopic view you have chosen to take about the future of this hobby and art. I sincerely hope more people come forward and join the crowd to keep the flame of this analogue passion alive. Naktalk itself is an embodiment of the fact that the passion can outlast the founder, the company, and the format itself. The sheer knowledge here makes it possible for so many Naks to live for another generation. That's what it about. 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URL: From scott.h.garner at lmco.com Tue May 28 17:07:25 2013 From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:07:25 +0000 Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: <201305271017.r4RA7gcn012571@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Yes, the dragon can and will continuously adjust the playhead azimuth during playback. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Campbell Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 2:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 123, Issue 29 Dear Nak experts, I am looking to acquire a Nak with azimuth playback adjustment, and wonder whether manual (as in the CR-7, for instance) or automatic (as in the Dragon, for instance) is best? Any suggestions/opinions? Along those lines, someone is currently offering a Dragon on eBay and has this to say about the Dragon's azimuth adjusting capability: "The Dragon not only plays both sides of the tape without needing to flip it over, but it automatically adjusts the playback head for proper azimuth to match the recording head, continuously, as it plays! It can even tell if half the tape was recorded on one machine, and the other half of the tape was on a different machine, and it adjusts automatically when the error in azimuth occurs." Is it true that the Dragon continuously adjusts during playback? And will it detect and correct more than one different recording on a tape? Thanks for your consideration. Scott Campbell On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:17 AM, wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: GX heads on REEL to REEL (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 2. Dual turntables (goodguy) > 3. Re: Dual turntables (Bala Ganesh) > 4. Re: Dual turntables (josephjean at verizon.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 03:31:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1369564286.97470.YahooMailNeo at web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > That was one breathtaking performance! Really amazing! It would do > justice on a Nak 600. > > > ________________________________ > From: Cyrus Shirali > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] GX heads on REEL to REEL > > > > :) Have a great weekend naks! > > here is a gem yo kick start your weekend > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWeBBGK_bcA > > Bala u can do drums > Kevin i will put on the Mic > & Me on keys > > > > > On May 24, 2013, at 12:14 PM, pieter rodgers < > the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote: > > nice mail Cy ;) > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: le.cyrus at gmail.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL > >Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:55 -0400 > >To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com > >CC: > > > > > > > > > >Smart phones, ipads, ipods, droids, etc.. they actually do deal with > everything musical. its just another medium, small, quick, easy and > portable. you can download music, make music, connect to your R2R and > rip you tapes, share them, and surf the net at the same time, thats > pretty cool if you ask me. and hopefully by sharing you will > eventually share to someone the interests of something in particular, > and they too will spread the word. technology, its only moving forward. > > > > > >Bala, I agree with you analogies. You see it in autos, films, > >fashion, > art, style etc. take from the old and mix in the new, its all a circle. > Sure R2R is a less handful or people, some appreciate more than others. > Some grew up with it, some came across with it with new found passion. > > > > > >Kevin I enjoy reading your mails,.. but did you loose on a bid to an > >ebay > item recently?, only to look at the winners profile, and see his > recent purchases, and saw that he or she buys a numerous amounts of > Nike Michael Jordan shoes, cool clothes and the latest iPhone case.. > :) > >Or were u standing in line at the local starbucks only to overhear a > young "hipster" talk about a vintage deck on his phone to another fellow...? > I have the hints you are upset / jealous in some way.. > > > > > >Sooo Kevin, next time you are at Starbucks in line, and overhear > >another > convo on R2R...thats when you take the opportunity and you jump in, walk > over with your coffee and banana nut bread, and jump in the convo and > share the wealth aka pass your craftof info and mutual interests. And > in turn, they will look up to you for advice and knowledge.. hell > before you know it, you will be showing one of the young cuter > hipsters chics, (yeah the brunette with the bangs thats sipping on her > double caramel latte), your analog collection, and then you find > yourself having some great sex on your original Charles and Ray Eames > furniture. And then..at the end you both are smoking some nice medical > pot that she brought, and you both are talking about tapes and analog, > and how it used to be, etc etc... later you both eat some food at new > "vegan" restaurant that she took you to, a place that only plays music > on vinyl, and u like it, now you have a new friend and interest. you > even put away the fact that she was wearing the same damn nike jordan > shoes that the winning bidder won on the item you got outbid on that > was rare and super vintage, that item you bid on last time on ebay on > your smartphone, while reading on your new ebook kindle that your > grandson gave you because he already has 4 of them... > >..well you had a great week, as you reminicese over your new friend, > >and > just when you think it can't get better, well your doorbell rings, and > she is back to listen to some analog goodness again, but this time she > has her cute blond friend with her.. BAM! you lucky dog! Kevin, Bala > has been doing this for years, his game is on point, he just hasn't > shared his secrets with you. I am hear just to give you some cliff > notes :) > > > > > >..back to reality, yes Kevin, you are right..about.. ebay sucks at > >times, > but hey its a business.. "businessmen that are tech savy". supply and > demand. buy there is always someone with money willing to pay for what > they want, weather its overpriced, or just in the "fad" of times.. > someone is making money from it. I think many people see Ebay as a > blue book value for items. I see the same thing happening with old synths i want or other gear. > Speaking of that matter..., have you ever thought about selling your gear? > > > > > >I am sure you have a lot of super rare vintage, originals with > >manuals > and things, that many will bid happily on. Just let me know when you > decide and post it up on fleabay aka ebay. I will tweet it on my > twitter and post it on my Facebook, and myspace and instagram it, hell > i will even go analog and put hand written flyers in bottles and toss > them to sea, and use pigeons and foxes as messengers for your > auctions. i can learn sign language and and communicate it that way > too, braille..no problem. I'll make you rich, filthy rich, you can > rip all your analog tracks on your new iPhone, and buy that yellow > vette, or MG Racer you always wanted. :) > >I do all this for a small fee of course, soon we are partners and > >with > your knowledge about gear, and my connections and PR, we can hunt for > R2R gear, and resell them for 10x, no, how about 50x the price to youngsters From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Tue May 28 23:36:53 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (bglosi at tilkoblet.net) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:36:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? In-Reply-To: <0MNI00F3SBWO5P30@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> <0MNI00F3SBWO5P30@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5f20b0270372593dbfa9fbb6154d96fa.squirrel@epost.tilkoblet.net> Maybe not right to post this here, but I hope you bear with me. I was the lucky? winner of a 1000 ZXL on ebay.fr. It was however from a seller in Athens/Greece. I have tried to have her accept payment by paypal, but she says she has credit problems and can not use paypal ? Also the shipping is only 50 Euro which I find very low. I do not feel comfortable with this and actually have lost one 1000 ZXL and so far the money, because of a shipping company that did not do it`s work as they should. Question, are there any members from Greece here that can volunteer to help at least check if it actually is a 1000 ZXL and not fraud? Collecting (and offcourse using) Nakamichi tapedecks is interesting, expensive but hopefully not also an experience in getting ripped off ;-) Best regards from Norway From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 29 02:23:42 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:23:42 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape head for Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <1369739097.92590.YahooMailNeo@web140605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> <1369739097.92590.YahooMailNeo@web140605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82423B9A-322E-4FA2-85EF-165F91922D4E@yahoo.com> Hi Gents, I have a Nak 600 here that has come damaged. Does anyone have a spare head for sale? Kind Regards, Bala From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Wed May 29 08:26:45 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:26:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? In-Reply-To: <5f20b0270372593dbfa9fbb6154d96fa.squirrel@epost.tilkoblet.net> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> <0MNI00F3SBWO5P30@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> <5f20b0270372593dbfa9fbb6154d96fa.squirrel@epost.tilkoblet.net> Message-ID: Credit Problems in Greece , I would believe. But you can buy my near mint ZXL.and pay with Pay Pal. You can get any photo you like ore even movie you like in one week. You get it in best packing you can imagine. With warranties for the heads. Regards Gerhard Vienna Am 28.05.2013 um 23:36 schrieb bglosi at tilkoblet.net: > Maybe not right to post this here, but I hope you bear with me. > > I was the lucky? winner of a 1000 ZXL on ebay.fr. > It was however from a seller in Athens/Greece. > I have tried to have her accept payment by paypal, but she says she > has > credit problems and can not use paypal ? > Also the shipping is only 50 Euro which I find very low. > I do not feel comfortable with this and actually have lost one 1000 > ZXL > and so far the money, because of a shipping company that did not do > it`s > work as they should. > > Question, are there any members from Greece here that can volunteer to > help at least check if it actually is a 1000 ZXL and not fraud? > > Collecting (and offcourse using) Nakamichi tapedecks is interesting, > expensive but hopefully not also an experience in getting ripped > off ;-) > > Best regards from Norway > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed May 29 08:52:36 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:52:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-300 microphone Message-ID: <51A5A5B4.3030506@univ-rennes1.fr> Dear Naktalkers, I am looking for 3 batteries for CM-300 microphones. What type of battery does it require ? Is the initial recommended battery still available ? Does anyone has a good source for them considering that I am located in France ? Many thanks Bernard From dovhilton at gmail.com Wed May 29 00:17:38 2013 From: dovhilton at gmail.com (David Hilton) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:17:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauges and Test Tapes In-Reply-To: <001801ce5ab8$c1790820$446b1860$@bigpond.com> References: <001801ce5ab8$c1790820$446b1860$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/nakamichi.htm On 27 May 2013 19:01, Eugen Iov wrote: > Hi Nakamichi lovers,**** > > ** ** > > My name is Eugen and I am from Sydney Australia. After long searches I > finally managed to get a NAKAMICHI DRAGON. Unfortunately when I purchase it > had a series of issues. I managed to clear some of them but the transport > mechanism needs a full rebuild. I ordered a service kit from Germany but I > can see without NAKAMICHI Gauges I cannot perform this operation. Willy > Herman Services lists as Casette Gauge is no longer available. Also I need > the one for tilt and back tension. Does anyone have any gauges which he > want to sell? Or anyone rents this to get the job done and return? Anyone > which has information on this please contact me.**** > > Any suggestions much appreciated. Also, for this job I will need test > tapes. Which is the most reliable source for test tapes?**** > > Best regards from Australia**** > > EUGEN IOV**** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- David Hilton 104/1 Boomerang Place Woolloomooloo Sydney NSW 2011 Tel (02) 9 360 7268 H Mbl 04214 72692 W (02) 9267 2477 WFax (02) 9264 8871 WorkEmail david at greatsynagogue.org.au Skype dovhilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hooograa at ozemail.com.au Wed May 29 04:30:16 2013 From: hooograa at ozemail.com.au (David Povelsen) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:30:16 +1000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Re:GX heads on REEL to REEL In-Reply-To: References: <1369490956.94738.YahooMailClassic@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To add more confusion and controversy into the mix, not to be a stirrer or to get an overt reaction by doing so, more to explain their decision. I bought a Musical fidelity A300 amp, a classic British design, no tone, bass or balance controls not quite a straight wire with gain but as close as they could be with out it being a single ended tube amp. This meant that it didn't have a headphone stage, so I bought one of their X CAN V2 ones with a hybrid tube design. Now this is where it gets murky, in one phrase,tube rolling. To change the sound you could just change the tube, but by how much? And in what way? For what kind of music? You quickly realize that the most coveted tube, cryo treated or not, does not give you what you want. It gives you what other people feel is best. Now for the part of the audio engineer they have to find a medium of cost, performance and sympathy to many musical styles within what is readily available for the foreseen product life. During my limited experience of learning to rebuild the burnt out tracks and parts of the V2. I found Graham Slee who produces phono stages and headphone amps in a boutique/ cottage industry fashion. He would talk about the challenges of product development and how one type of capacitor or brand would change the sound and how that could influence the next component needed. Then when the EU banned lead solder and replaced it with tin solder that changed the sound again and smps did the same. With all the decisions leading into another where the most expensive components or complex technical solution not being the best solution but the one that made the best compromise yet retaining the products character. So to criticize an orange cap for being an orange cap is only part of an considered reason with what to replace a faulty part with. On 28/05/2013, at 11:43 PM, Garner, Scott H wrote: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dovhilton at gmail.com Wed May 29 09:59:16 2013 From: dovhilton at gmail.com (David Hilton) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 17:59:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-300 microphone In-Reply-To: <51A5A5B4.3030506@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <51A5A5B4.3030506@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: http://www.smallbattery.company.org.uk/sbc_a1611.htm On 29 May 2013 16:52, bb wrote: > Dear Naktalkers, > > I am looking for 3 batteries for CM-300 microphones. > What type of battery does it require ? Is the initial recommended battery > still available ? > Does anyone has a good source for them considering that I am located in > France ? > > Many thanks > Bernard > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -- David Hilton 104/1 Boomerang Place Woolloomooloo Sydney NSW 2011 Tel (02) 9 360 7268 H Mbl 04214 72692 W (02) 9267 2477 WFax (02) 9264 8871 WorkEmail david at greatsynagogue.org.au Skype dovhilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccall at hotmail.com Wed May 29 10:02:17 2013 From: fmccall at hotmail.com (Fred McCall) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:02:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-300 microphone In-Reply-To: <51A5A5B4.3030506@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <51A5A5B4.3030506@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Eveready makes them, they are 8.4 volt. the stock # was a 3 digit #, I think it was either 806, or 814. This e-mail contains unclassified information that may be withheld from the public because disclosure could cause foreseeable harm to an interest protected by one or more of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Exemptions 2 through 9 identified in 5 USC 552(b). Access to this e-mail by anyone other than the intended addressee is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or retention of the same is strictly prohibited and also may violate statutory and regulatory requirements. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender. > Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:52:36 +0200 > From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-300 microphone > > Dear Naktalkers, > > I am looking for 3 batteries for CM-300 microphones. > What type of battery does it require ? Is the initial recommended > battery still available ? > Does anyone has a good source for them considering that I am located in > France ? > > Many thanks > Bernard > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Bernard Le 29/05/2013 09:59, David Hilton a écrit : > http://www.smallbattery.company.org.uk/sbc_a1611.htm > > > On 29 May 2013 16:52, bb > wrote: > > Dear Naktalkers, > > I am looking for 3 batteries for CM-300 microphones. > What type of battery does it require ? Is the initial recommended > battery still available ? > Does anyone has a good source for them considering that I am > located in France ? > > Many thanks > Bernard > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Wed May 29 22:07:36 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:07:36 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? In-Reply-To: References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> <0MNI00F3SBWO5P30@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> <5f20b0270372593dbfa9fbb6154d96fa.squirrel@epost.tilkoblet.net> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB03109F@STVTEX05> Sorry. Just read your email again only to find out that you are in Wien... Danke Shön! -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Gerhard Wartha Enviada em: quarta-feira, 29 de maio de 2013 03:27 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? Credit Problems in Greece , I would believe. But you can buy my near mint ZXL.and pay with Pay Pal. You can get any photo you like ore even movie you like in one week. You get it in best packing you can imagine. With warranties for the heads. Regards Gerhard Vienna Am 28.05.2013 um 23:36 schrieb bglosi at tilkoblet.net: > Maybe not right to post this here, but I hope you bear with me. > > I was the lucky? winner of a 1000 ZXL on ebay.fr. > It was however from a seller in Athens/Greece. > I have tried to have her accept payment by paypal, but she says she > has credit problems and can not use paypal ? > Also the shipping is only 50 Euro which I find very low. > I do not feel comfortable with this and actually have lost one 1000 > ZXL and so far the money, because of a shipping company that did not > do it`s work as they should. > > Question, are there any members from Greece here that can volunteer to > help at least check if it actually is a 1000 ZXL and not fraud? > > Collecting (and offcourse using) Nakamichi tapedecks is interesting, > expensive but hopefully not also an experience in getting ripped off > ;-) > > Best regards from Norway > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. From reformedtaper at hotmail.com Thu May 30 00:28:40 2013 From: reformedtaper at hotmail.com (Reformed Taper) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 17:28:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Battery for CM-300 microphone (bb) Message-ID: The original battery is a 9.45 volt mercury battery. Manufactured by Panasonic/National it was Panasonic/National H-7D also known as a 7MR9. Substitute batteries are numbered 206NEDA1611, they include: mallory tr 126 or 206, Duracell tr 126, Eveready E 206 (which is available through Radio Shack (online) Radio Shack Cat.#: 960-0435 RSU #: 99600435. The Eveready E 206 is a tight fit and does not require the rubber ends from the original battery. I have not seen mallory or duracell batteries available in a long time. The Eveready is still readily available. 20+ years ago, I was able to have a place called Pro Battery Inc in Atlanta, GA manufacture a 9.45 volt battery using 7-1.35 volt button batteries along with a proper spacer to fit the exact dimensions. I do not know if they are still in business or not or if they will do this anymore. Good luck, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri May 31 09:12:23 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:12:23 +0200 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from Greece here? In-Reply-To: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB03109F@STVTEX05> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> <0MNI00F3SBWO5P30@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> <5f20b0270372593dbfa9fbb6154d96fa.squirrel@epost.tilkoblet.net> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB03109F@STVTEX05> Message-ID: <263D6C62-22DD-4C61-97CC-7D8E59F1C803@gmail.com> Hi, Rodrigo, The work on any Cassette Deck is part of a big photographic documentation. That is the reason way I have this photos from the ZXL/5 who can be sold next time. One reason for selling the Decks again, is they must have some work, some times , with playback or recording. But nobody can play with 4 ore even more Decks all the time. Like every machine, this Decks die only if they are not getting any use. The picture from outside was taken with a project to reproduce SONY TEST TAPES. Next project will be the reproducing the NAK 1kHz tape, with 8 track heads from Japan. In front is ZXL/5, in the back is ZXL/1. Picture,s show the Transport and the new Idler tire. The transport is working very exact. I will make a move if I have the time. a Collector from Russia would like to see a movie too. This Movie shows the ZXL sold with Ebay ZX-NAKAMICHI to a member from UKRAINE. The Deck was packet in FOARM IN PLACE. I did shipp it to north germany, a truck driver did take the packet the 2500km to UKRAINE. Buyer was very happy. He has never seen a packing like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKttQJ9oTLQ  Am 29.05.2013 um 22:07 schrieb Rodrigo Krause:  > Sorry. Just Danke Shön! > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em > nome de Gerhard Wartha > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 29 de maio de 2013 03:27 > Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from > Greece here? > > Credit Problems in Greece , I would believe. > > But you can buy my near mint ZXL.and pay with Pay Pal. > > You can get any photo you like ore even movie you like in one week. > > You get it in best packing you can imagine. > > With warranties for the heads. > > Regards > > > Gerhard Vienna > Am 28.05.2013 um 23:36 schrieb bglosi at tilkoblet.net: > >> Maybe not right to post this here, but I hope you bear with me. >> >> I was the lucky? winner of a 1000 ZXL on ebay.fr. >> It was however from a seller in Athens/Greece. >> I have tried to have her accept payment by paypal, but she says she >> has credit problems and can not use paypal ? >> Also the shipping is only 50 Euro which I find very low. >> I do not feel comfortable with this and actually have lost one 1000 >> ZXL and so far the money, because of a shipping company that did not >> do it`s work as they should. >> >> Question, are there any members from Greece here that can >> volunteer to >> help at least check if it actually is a 1000 ZXL and not fraud? >> >> Collecting (and offcourse using) Nakamichi tapedecks is interesting, >> expensive but hopefully not also an experience in getting ripped off >> ;-) >> >> Best regards from Norway >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser > retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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I have come up to the conclusion and have informed the buyer that, this auction is a fraud, for the following reasons: Phone # registered with ebay is not responding (always a messenger replies). Tried it many times always same result....I wanted to contact the seller and go check the deck for the buyer if the item was within 1 hour drive from my house. I noticed that the ebay account where the item was placed in auction was idle for the past year in France and the seller use to sell anything else but vintage electronics..... The name of the owner of the bank account info is not a native Greek. The seller sells from within metropolitan France but he ended up shipping from Greece.....I do sell from time to time on ebay USA but my address is Athens Greece! (Any potential buyer can see this on description) The seller had no seller protection (paypal) and shipping costs with DHL were very very low, something like 50 euro! (This is a 20 kg of weight box at least! From Athens To Oslo Norway, DHL would ask no less than 250 euro.) I advised Birger to immediately inform ebay for this scam. Also leaving negative feedback would not do anything because probably the real owner of the ebay account has nothing to do with this! I had a "similar" problem with ebay Germany when i won a AKAI GX 95 which was described as "in perfect working order" only to realize when received that it had several mechanical and electronic issues.....Of course having paid with wire transfer i had no seller protection so the case was closed by ebay DE in favor of the seller...At least in my case i had -at least-the deck in perfect aesthetic condition and had the opportunity to give a negative feedback to the seller but i am certain this is not the case with this ZXL! End of story and have a great weekend everybody! Manos, Athens-Greece On 31/5/2013 1:06 ??, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL from Greece? Member from > Greece here? (Rodrigo Krause) > 2. RE: Battery for CM-300 microphone (bb) (Reformed Taper) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2013\2013-November.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From jrsifontes at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 13:37:14 2013 From: jrsifontes at gmail.com (Jose Sifontes) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:37:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Update Message-ID: As suggested the issue was with the record/playback switch and the teleflex cable not being properly adjusted. Now I am fighting with a different problem involving the tape head assembly not coming all the way up to play position consistently. But that is a different can of worms. Thanks for the help! -- ---------- (Pepe) Jose Sifontes jrsifontes at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrsifontes at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 13:50:32 2013 From: jrsifontes at gmail.com (Jose Sifontes) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:50:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reel Motor Replacement Procedure - Nak MR-1 Message-ID: I have an MR-1 that is near perfect, and by near I mean it sounds and records great when it works, but the reel motor is weak and that limits operation. Deoxit helps for a short while, but is not enough. So my quest for help is this: 1. Is there any guide in the web to help us of lesser experience remove and replace a reel motor? I am able to remove the transport mechanism, but the steps beyond look pretty complicated. 2. What is the correct size for the "jesus" retainer clip that holds the idler tire to the shaft? (Jesus where did that thing go?!) I have lost several of those including the one for this MR-1 3. Since I may be going through all this trouble, is there a source for NOS gear mechanism conversions? Thanks, Jose -- ---------- (Pepe) Jose Sifontes jrsifontes at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Nov 3 17:40:57 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 08:40:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Reel Motor Replacement Procedure - Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1383496857.65930.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In the [blur...] past I posted step by step instructions for reel motor replacement, that did away with the need to remove the mechanism from the case. See if you can locate the post in the NakTalk archive. In the service manual, the missing washer is shown as 1.8 x 3.2 x 0.5 mm. If you can locate a source, please post it. There is no source known to man for the gear mechanism (used or NOS),except maybe ESL (but I doubt Jeff Galin will sell or --if he does -- that you'll pay his price). I suspect your best bet is to look for a donor deck on ebay or audiogon, but these are far between and always expensive. Good luck, -- Ron On Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:56 AM, Jose Sifontes wrote: > >I have an MR-1 that is near perfect,  and by near I mean it sounds and records great when it works,  but the reel motor is weak and that limits operation. Deoxit helps for a short while,  but is not enough. So my quest for help is this: > > >1.  Is there any guide in the web to help us of lesser experience remove and replace a reel motor?  I am able to remove the transport mechanism,  but the steps beyond look pretty complicated.    > > >2.  What is the correct size for the "jesus" retainer clip that holds the idler tire to the shaft? (Jesus where did that thing go?!) I have lost several of those including the one for this MR-1 > > >3. Since I may be going through all this trouble,  is there a source for NOS gear mechanism conversions? > > >Thanks, > > >Jose-- > >---------- (Pepe) Jose Sifontes >jrsifontes at gmail.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Nov 3 17:40:57 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 08:40:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Reel Motor Replacement Procedure - Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1383496857.65930.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In the [blur...] past I posted step by step instructions for reel motor replacement, that did away with the need to remove the mechanism from the case. See if you can locate the post in the NakTalk archive. In the service manual, the missing washer is shown as 1.8 x 3.2 x 0.5 mm. If you can locate a source, please post it. There is no source known to man for the gear mechanism (used or NOS),except maybe ESL (but I doubt Jeff Galin will sell or --if he does -- that you'll pay his price). I suspect your best bet is to look for a donor deck on ebay or audiogon, but these are far between and always expensive. Good luck, -- Ron On Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:56 AM, Jose Sifontes wrote: > >I have an MR-1 that is near perfect,  and by near I mean it sounds and records great when it works,  but the reel motor is weak and that limits operation. Deoxit helps for a short while,  but is not enough. So my quest for help is this: > > >1.  Is there any guide in the web to help us of lesser experience remove and replace a reel motor?  I am able to remove the transport mechanism,  but the steps beyond look pretty complicated.    > > >2.  What is the correct size for the "jesus" retainer clip that holds the idler tire to the shaft? (Jesus where did that thing go?!) I have lost several of those including the one for this MR-1 > > >3. Since I may be going through all this trouble,  is there a source for NOS gear mechanism conversions? > > >Thanks, > > >Jose-- > >---------- (Pepe) Jose Sifontes >jrsifontes at gmail.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Nov 3 17:53:02 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 08:53:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Reel Motor Replacement Procedure - Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: <1383496857.65930.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1383496857.65930.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1383497582.70644.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> My apologies... First, please disregards the washer data I provided. The correct washer is 1.3 x 3.3 x 0.3 mm Second,  did find find the reel motor replacement instructions. I'll email these directly to you. Regards, -- Ron On , Ron wrote: >In the [blur...] past I posted step by step instructions for reel motor replacement, that did away >with the need to remove the mechanism from the case. See if you can locate the post in the >NakTalk archive. > >In the service manual, the missing washer is shown as 1.8 x 3.2 x 0.5 mm. If you can locate a >source, please post it. > > >There is no source known to man for the gear mechanism (used or NOS),except maybe ESL >(but I doubt Jeff Galin will sell or --if he does -- that you'll pay his price). I suspect your best bet >is to look for a donor deck on ebay or audiogon, but these are far between and always expensive. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > > > > >On Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:56 AM, Jose Sifontes wrote: > > >> >>I have an MR-1 that is near perfect,  and by near I mean it sounds and records great when it works,  but the reel motor is weak and that limits operation. Deoxit helps for a short while,  but is not enough. So my quest for help is this: >> >> >>1.  Is there any guide in the web to help us of lesser experience remove and replace a reel motor?  I am able to remove the transport mechanism,  but the steps beyond look pretty complicated.    >> >> >>2.  What is the correct size for the "jesus" retainer clip that holds the idler tire to the shaft? 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I'll email > these directly to you. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > > On , Ron wrote: > > In the [blur...] past I posted step by step instructions for reel motor replacement, that did away > with the need to remove the mechanism from the case. See if you can locate the post in the > NakTalk archive. > > In the service manual, the missing washer is shown as 1.8 x 3.2 x 0.5 mm. If you can locate a > source, please post it. > > > There is no source known to man for the gear mechanism (used or NOS),except maybe ESL > (but I doubt Jeff Galin will sell or --if he does -- that you'll pay his price). I suspect your best bet > is to look for a donor deck on ebay or audiogon, but these are far between and always expensive. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > On Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:56 AM, Jose Sifontes wrote: > > I have an MR-1 that is near perfect, and by near I mean it sounds and records great when it works, but the reel motor is weak and that limits operation. Deoxit helps for a short while, but is not enough. So my quest for help is this: > > 1. Is there any guide in the web to help us of lesser experience remove and replace a reel motor? I am able to remove the transport mechanism, but the steps beyond look pretty complicated. > > 2. What is the correct size for the "jesus" retainer clip that holds the idler tire to the shaft? (Jesus where did that thing go?!) I have lost several of those including the one for this MR-1 > > 3. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 3 19:41:47 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:41:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reel Motor Replacement Procedure - Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: <1383497582.70644.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1383496857.65930.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1383497582.70644.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6307C1B4-B9F7-473C-BED3-4693006E1E73@peromarta.org> And to me please ... Best. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > El 03/11/2013, a las 17:53, Ron escribió: > > My apologies... > > First, please disregards the washer data I provided. The correct washer is > 1.3 x 3.3 x 0.3 mm > > Second, did find find the reel motor replacement instructions. I'll email > these directly to you. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > > On , Ron wrote: > > In the [blur...] past I posted step by step instructions for reel motor replacement, that did away > with the need to remove the mechanism from the case. See if you can locate the post in the > NakTalk archive. > > In the service manual, the missing washer is shown as 1.8 x 3.2 x 0.5 mm. If you can locate a > source, please post it. > > > There is no source known to man for the gear mechanism (used or NOS),except maybe ESL > (but I doubt Jeff Galin will sell or --if he does -- that you'll pay his price). I suspect your best bet > is to look for a donor deck on ebay or audiogon, but these are far between and always expensive. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > On Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:56 AM, Jose Sifontes wrote: > > I have an MR-1 that is near perfect, and by near I mean it sounds and records great when it works, but the reel motor is weak and that limits operation. Deoxit helps for a short while, but is not enough. So my quest for help is this: > > 1. Is there any guide in the web to help us of lesser experience remove and replace a reel motor? I am able to remove the transport mechanism, but the steps beyond look pretty complicated. > > 2. What is the correct size for the "jesus" retainer clip that holds the idler tire to the shaft? (Jesus where did that thing go?!) I have lost several of those including the one for this MR-1 > > 3. Since I may be going through all this trouble, is there a source for NOS gear mechanism conversions? > > Thanks, > > Jose > -- > ---------- > (Pepe) Jose Sifontes > jrsifontes at gmail.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 21:31:31 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 21:31:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reel Motor Replacement Procedure - Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <390B38B0-9AFC-4FC0-84B5-9E348C755125@gmail.com> Maybe it is possible to hold Jesus out of this kind of postings? Please watch your use of language on this forum. Regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 3 nov. 2013 om 13:50 heeft Jose Sifontes het volgende geschreven: > > > I have an MR-1 that is near perfect, and by near I mean it sounds and records great when it works, but the reel motor is weak and that limits operation. Deoxit helps for a short while, but is not enough. So my quest for help is this: > > 1. Is there any guide in the web to help us of lesser experience remove and replace a reel motor? I am able to remove the transport mechanism, but the steps beyond look pretty complicated. > > 2. What is the correct size for the "jesus" retainer clip that holds the idler tire to the shaft? (Jesus where did that thing go?!) I have lost several of those including the one for this MR-1 > > 3. Since I may be going through all this trouble, is there a source for NOS gear mechanism conversions? > > Thanks, > > Jose > -- > ---------- > (Pepe) Jose Sifontes > jrsifontes at gmail.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there any guide in the web to help us of lesser experience remove > and replace a reel motor? I am able to remove the transport mechanism, > but the steps beyond look pretty complicated. > > 2. What is the correct size for the "jesus" retainer clip that holds the > idler tire to the shaft? (Jesus where did that thing go?!) I have lost > several of those including the one for this MR-1 > > 3. Since I may be going through all this trouble, is there a source for > NOS gear mechanism conversions? > > Thanks, > > Jose > -- > ---------- > (Pepe) Jose Sifontes > jrsifontes at gmail.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- ---------- (Pepe) Jose Sifontes jrsifontes at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrsifontes at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 01:16:47 2013 From: jrsifontes at gmail.com (Jose Sifontes) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:16:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Reel Motor Replacement Message-ID: Thank you Ron for sending the reel motor replacement Word file. I just finished swapping in a different motor. It was not that hard with the instructions handy. I discovered that an old parts BX-1 I had stored away has the gear-based table drive mechanism, so my next step is to transplant that to the MR-1 and see if I can get the FF and RW to be more reliable. -- ---------- (Pepe) Jose Sifontes jrsifontes at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Nov 4 14:22:05 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 08:22:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo based idler tire clip washer Message-ID: <67A73DF8-503D-4F26-87FD-DB1714B6AC7B@comcast.net> The washer clip that holds the idler tire in place on Sankyo transports (as well as idler tires) can be bought from Dean Sanborn direct via his email or on eBay as "N4229K" Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 17:49:36 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 08:49:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Reel Motor Replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1383583776.97548.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Congratulations on having that parts BX-1 with the gear idler on hand. Be aware that original Nakamichi instructions for installing the kit exist (probably, even on the Naks.com wiki page). Even though by now you are already en expert, it's worthwhile to take a look. Regards, -- Ron On Monday, November 4, 2013 3:44 AM, Jose Sifontes wrote: Thank you Ron for sending the reel motor replacement Word file.  I just finished swapping in a different motor.  It was not that hard with the instructions handy.  I discovered that an old parts BX-1 I had stored away has the gear-based table drive mechanism,  so my next step is to transplant that to the MR-1 and see if I can get the FF and RW to be more reliable.    > > >-- > >----------(Pepe) Jose Sifontes >jrsifontes at gmail.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 17:49:36 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 08:49:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Reel Motor Replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1383583776.97548.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Congratulations on having that parts BX-1 with the gear idler on hand. Be aware that original Nakamichi instructions for installing the kit exist (probably, even on the Naks.com wiki page). Even though by now you are already en expert, it's worthwhile to take a look. Regards, -- Ron On Monday, November 4, 2013 3:44 AM, Jose Sifontes wrote: Thank you Ron for sending the reel motor replacement Word file.  I just finished swapping in a different motor.  It was not that hard with the instructions handy.  I discovered that an old parts BX-1 I had stored away has the gear-based table drive mechanism,  so my next step is to transplant that to the MR-1 and see if I can get the FF and RW to be more reliable.    > > >-- > >----------(Pepe) Jose Sifontes >jrsifontes at gmail.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 18 13:16:15 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:16:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new scanned 680ZX owners manual Message-ID: <1ccfb807d8632720c9de05d85f304106.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I've added a nice new colour scan of the 680zx owners manual to the wiki pages, it was scanned by Bernard (thank you!). It is quite big but also very good looking ;-) Here's the link to the wiki (new location also): http://wiki.naks.com/doku.php?id=documents Wouter From maisiepat at yahoo.com Mon Nov 18 14:39:48 2013 From: maisiepat at yahoo.com (Martin Dawson) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:39:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] new scanned 680ZX owners manual In-Reply-To: <1ccfb807d8632720c9de05d85f304106.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1384781988.57750.YahooMailIosMobile@web28801.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter,

Sorry to butt in to your thread, I bought a Naka 581 new in 1981 and had it serviced by the agent in the UK in 1997.
It has sat on my rack for the past 8 years without being used together with my NR 200 unit.
Now I went to use it over the weekend and although it winds forward and rewinds when you press play nothing happens. The green led lights up but nothing happens do you have any ideas?

Regards,


Martin Dawson

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 18 14:51:40 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:51:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new scanned 680 owners manual In-Reply-To: <1ccfb807d8632720c9de05d85f304106.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <1ccfb807d8632720c9de05d85f304106.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <54047337ff1d0948ac89e5c800ce1bb5.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> It was the 680 owners manual, my mistake! > I've added a nice new colour scan of the 680zx owners manual to the wiki > pages, it was scanned by Bernard (thank you!). > It is quite big but also very good looking ;-) > > Here's the link to the wiki (new location also): > > http://wiki.naks.com/doku.php?id=documents > > Wouter > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 18 15:48:00 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:48:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new scanned 680ZX owners manual In-Reply-To: <1384781988.57750.YahooMailIosMobile@web28801.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1384781988.57750.YahooMailIosMobile@web28801.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62f2149ec1f09aa3e8f3cf56689a8e5c.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi, The stop light is out? If so replace that one first. Wouter > Hi Wouter,

Sorry to butt in to your thread, I bought a Naka 581 > new in 1981 and had it serviced by the agent in the UK in 1997.
It > has sat on my rack for the past 8 years without being used together with > my NR 200 unit.
Now I went to use it over the weekend and although it > winds forward and rewinds when you press play nothing happens. The green > led lights up but nothing happens do you have any > ideas?

Regards,


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URL: From hockeyeast at yahoo.com Wed Nov 20 13:03:16 2013 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:03:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 129, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <201311201116.rAKB7Ri9003269@zxe.naks.com> References: <201311201116.rAKB7Ri9003269@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Silver caps.... I think eslabs might have that. I sent in my 680 a few years ago and it wasn't worth fixing. Beautiful deck, all the parts should still be with it. Give Jeff a call. Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:16 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 680 switch silver cap (Willy Hermann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:41:22 -0800 > From: Willy Hermann > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 switch silver cap > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bernard - > contact me off the forum at: > willy at willyhs.com > > >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:12 AM, bb wrote: >> >> Dear All >> >> I am looking for a small silver cap going onto the top of the switches of >> the 660/670/680 series, as shown on this attached picture. >> >> Would someone have one to sell ? >> >> Regards >> Bernard >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20131119/30be4906/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 129, Issue 4 > *************************************** From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Nov 21 18:16:28 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:16:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-300E un-responsive and haphazard controls Message-ID: Dear All, My trusty BX-300E has started playing up the controls. When first switched on and still cold all the controls work fine but after 5 minutes or so they go wild with the lights switching between play, pause and stop and then settle for play + pause staying lit. After this the deck doesn't play (transport doesn't move at all) but when I press FF there is a delay of a few seconds then it starts FF but the play+pause still stays lit. Same thing happens with REW. The play+pause constantly stays lit but the transport doesn't move. Has anyone experienced this before? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Regards Nadeem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 19:05:12 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:05:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-300E un-responsive and haphazard controls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Nadeem, Then you have a problem with a not working motor as far as i can see. . You have to clean the control motor. Best regards Norman Op donderdag 21 november 2013 schreef Mercedes Benz ( mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk): > Dear All, > > My trusty BX-300E has started playing up the controls. When first switched > on and still cold all the controls work fine but after 5 minutes or so they > go wild with the lights switching between play, pause and stop and then > settle for play + pause staying lit. After this the deck doesn't play > (transport doesn't move at all) but when I press FF there is a delay of a > few seconds then it starts FF but the play+pause still stays lit. Same > thing happens with REW. The play+pause constantly stays lit but the > transport doesn't move. > > Has anyone experienced this before? Any thoughts will be appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Nov 21 20:01:32 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:01:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-300E un-responsive and haphazard controls Message-ID: Thanks for your suggestion Norman. I will try and clean the motor tomorrow but I still don't understand why everything works fine when the deck is cold and fails after it warms up? Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen Sent: 21/11/2013 18:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-300E un-responsive and haphazard controls Hi Nadeem, Then you have a problem with a not working motor as far as i can see. . You have to clean the control motor. Best regards Norman Op donderdag 21 november 2013 schreef Mercedes Benz ( mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk): > Dear All, > > My trusty BX-300E has started playing up the controls. When first switched > on and still cold all the controls work fine but after 5 minutes or so they > go wild with the lights switching between play, pause and stop and then > settle for play + pause staying lit. After this the deck doesn't play > (transport doesn't move at all) but when I press FF there is a delay of a > few seconds then it starts FF but the play+pause still stays lit. Same > thing happens with REW. The play+pause constantly stays lit but the > transport doesn't move. > > Has anyone experienced this before? Any thoughts will be appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hifihospital at gmail.com Sat Nov 23 01:56:39 2013 From: hifihospital at gmail.com (Douglas Guth) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:56:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Erratic BX-300 Message-ID: Hi Nadeem, Check the three pole leaf switch on the transport cam. I've had the contacts get dirty and have the same symptoms that you describe. I cut a 1/16" strip of business or index card and spray some Caig DeOxit on it. Then I work the card between all of the contacts. Good Luck, Doug Guth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Nov 23 22:40:30 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:40:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-300E un-responsive and haphazard controls Message-ID: Thanks Norman and Doug for your help. I successfully managed to clean the leaf switches and control motor today. I took the control mech out and after spraying some deoxit in the holes at the back of the motor, I ran it for 10 minutes in both directions using a 9v dc power supply and the deck is now working perfectly. Thanks once again for your help. Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen Sent: 21/11/2013 18:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-300E un-responsive and haphazard controls Hi Nadeem, Then you have a problem with a not working motor as far as i can see. . You have to clean the control motor. Best regards Norman Op donderdag 21 november 2013 schreef Mercedes Benz ( mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk): > Dear All, > > My trusty BX-300E has started playing up the controls. When first switched > on and still cold all the controls work fine but after 5 minutes or so they > go wild with the lights switching between play, pause and stop and then > settle for play + pause staying lit. After this the deck doesn't play > (transport doesn't move at all) but when I press FF there is a delay of a > few seconds then it starts FF but the play+pause still stays lit. Same > thing happens with REW. The play+pause constantly stays lit but the > transport doesn't move. > > Has anyone experienced this before? Any thoughts will be appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 25 17:43:12 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:43:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new brochure and service manual Message-ID: Again 2 new documents on the wiki pages: wiki.naks.com/doku.php?id=documents 1) Nakamichi Peripheral Equipment brochure scanned by Bernard 2) High-Com II Service manual supplied by Norman Thanks guys! Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 25 21:48:28 2013 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:48:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new brochure and service manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75b1a124a186229769198da17b4f5734.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Norman additionally supplied the 350 and 430 service manuals wouter > Again 2 new documents on the wiki pages: > > wiki.naks.com/doku.php?id=documents > > 1) Nakamichi Peripheral Equipment brochure scanned by Bernard > 2) High-Com II Service manual supplied by Norman > > Thanks guys! From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 06:47:16 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:47:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Lamps used in Nakamichi Hicom Unit Message-ID: <40C0B5B7-B356-44FD-A758-98EE015E8C35@gmail.com> Hi all, Someone asked to replace the lamps from the Nakamichi highcom unit. I can see in the manual that Nakamichi uses 12 volt lamps but i can t see the Ma. Anyone? Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad From Philip.Stone at imail.org Tue Nov 26 23:10:35 2013 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:10:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Message-ID: The voltage sounds right. Reverse your test leads. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:01 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Today I pulled the suspect caps out and tested them which turned out to be ok. While they were out I replaced them with the standard electrolytics I had but the symptom persisted so I put the original caps back in. I am getting -11.8v where there should be +12v on the bias oscillator board. I tested the voltages on the oscillator pins and it seems that 4 of the pins have -11.8v on them (all 4 on the 2 transistors side). Are these voltages correct or is the oscillator broke? Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Mercedes Benz Sent: 27/10/2013 11:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi Norman, I will pull it out today and have a look. Thanks for the info. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen Sent: 27/10/2013 00:21 To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi, If you look To the other side of the capacitor you see that the manufacturer used another material to close the cap. Normaly you see something made from rubber but the orange ones are closed with a hars or something like that. I think this caps are made that way so they have not to much influance from vibrations. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 26 okt. 2013 om 21:13 heeft Ron > het volgende geschreven: LN often means 'Low Noise', though this may -- or may not -- be what it means here. I would replace with 105ºC electrolytics (High Frequency kind, if you can find them). Any Color will do (the color means nothing). -- Ron On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:07 AM, Mercedes Benz > wrote: Hi everyone, I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? Your help will be greatly appreciated. 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While they were out I replaced them with the standard electrolytics I had but the symptom persisted so I put the original caps back in. I am getting -11.8v where there should be +12v on the bias oscillator board. I tested the voltages on the oscillator pins and it seems that 4 of the pins have -11.8v on them (all 4 on the 2 transistors side). Are these voltages correct or is the oscillator broke? Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Mercedes Benz Sent: 27/10/2013 11:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi Norman, I will pull it out today and have a look. Thanks for the info. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen Sent: 27/10/2013 00:21 To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi, If you look To the other side of the capacitor you see that the manufacturer used another material to close the cap. Normaly you see something made from rubber but the orange ones are closed with a hars or something like that. I think this caps are made that way so they have not to much influance from vibrations. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 26 okt. 2013 om 21:13 heeft Ron > het volgende geschreven: LN often means 'Low Noise', though this may -- or may not -- be what it means here. I would replace with 105ºC electrolytics (High Frequency kind, if you can find them). Any Color will do (the color means nothing). -- Ron On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:07 AM, Mercedes Benz > wrote: Hi everyone, I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? Your help will be greatly appreciated. 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My advice would be to get the service manual and measure the voltages from the transformator to the 12 volt. You must find a bad part that way. I was surprised that with a leaking cap still no fuse was blown. Good luck. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 27 nov. 2013 om 21:12 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > > That can't be it. > > There are two pads +12v and -12v on the bias oscillator board. The -12v is ok but I am getting -11.8 v on the +12v. So I am getting negative voltage on both which can't be right. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Philip Stone > Sent: 26/11/2013 22:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors > > The voltage sounds right. Reverse your test leads. > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:01 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors > > Today I pulled the suspect caps out and tested them which turned out to be ok. While they were out I replaced them with the standard electrolytics I had but the symptom persisted so I put the original caps back in. > > I am getting -11.8v where there should be +12v on the bias oscillator board. I tested the voltages on the oscillator pins and it seems that 4 of the pins have -11.8v on them (all 4 on the 2 transistors side). > > Are these voltages correct or is the oscillator broke? > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Mercedes Benz > Sent: 27/10/2013 11:44 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors > > Hi Norman, I will pull it out today and have a look. Thanks for the info. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Norman van Wijnen > Sent: 27/10/2013 00:21 > To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors > > Hi, > > If you look To the other side of the capacitor you see that the manufacturer used another material to close the cap. Normaly you see something made from rubber but the orange ones are closed with a hars or something like that. I think this caps are made that way so they have not to much influance from vibrations. > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 26 okt. 2013 om 21:13 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > LN often means 'Low Noise', though this may -- or may not -- be what it means > here. I would replace with 105ºC electrolytics (High Frequency kind, if you can > find them). Any Color will do (the color means nothing). > > > -- Ron > > > > On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:07 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? > > Your help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen Sent: 27/11/2013 21:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi Nadeem, Maybe somewhat of the record but recently i had a Dragon on the workbench with no 12volt at all , no positive and no negative. After some measurement i found a problem with a cap in the power supply and replaced that one. Problem solved. Capacitor was C403 100uf 25 volt. My advice would be to get the service manual and measure the voltages from the transformator to the 12 volt. You must find a bad part that way. I was surprised that with a leaking cap still no fuse was blown. Good luck. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 27 nov. 2013 om 21:12 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > > That can't be it. > > There are two pads +12v and -12v on the bias oscillator board. The -12v is ok but I am getting -11.8 v on the +12v. So I am getting negative voltage on both which can't be right. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Philip Stone > Sent: 26/11/2013 22:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors > > The voltage sounds right. Reverse your test leads. > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:01 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors > > Today I pulled the suspect caps out and tested them which turned out to be ok. While they were out I replaced them with the standard electrolytics I had but the symptom persisted so I put the original caps back in. > > I am getting -11.8v where there should be +12v on the bias oscillator board. I tested the voltages on the oscillator pins and it seems that 4 of the pins have -11.8v on them (all 4 on the 2 transistors side). > > Are these voltages correct or is the oscillator broke? > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Mercedes Benz > Sent: 27/10/2013 11:44 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors > > Hi Norman, I will pull it out today and have a look. Thanks for the info. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > From: Norman van Wijnen > Sent: 27/10/2013 00:21 > To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors > > Hi, > > If you look To the other side of the capacitor you see that the manufacturer used another material to close the cap. Normaly you see something made from rubber but the orange ones are closed with a hars or something like that. I think this caps are made that way so they have not to much influance from vibrations. > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 26 okt. 2013 om 21:13 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > LN often means 'Low Noise', though this may -- or may not -- be what it means > here. I would replace with 105ºC electrolytics (High Frequency kind, if you can > find them). Any Color will do (the color means nothing). > > > -- Ron > > > > On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:07 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? > > Your help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Nov 29 17:44:38 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:44:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-5 problem Message-ID: Thanks for helping me out Perry. Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Perry Esposito (Generation - 6) Sent: 29/11/2013 15:07 To: Mercedes Benz Subject: Re: LX-5 problem Ok, I couldn't tell, then it does sound like an electrolytic filter cap except that normally the voltage goes to 0 when that happens. I will try to look at the circuit later. Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone On Nov 28, 2013, at 11:31 AM, "Mercedes Benz" > wrote: Thanks Perry, I will check that but I am getting the +12v on the power board just not on the bias board. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Perry Esposito (Generation - 6) Sent: 28/11/2013 13:53 To: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Subject: LX-5 problem Look at the output of the +12v voltage regulator, they commonly fail. I will look up the part number and get back to you. Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional express written confirmation to that effect. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 1 14:41:35 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 22:41:35 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A In-Reply-To: <9644908.2295270.1380627613149.JavaMail.root@vznit170176> References: <9644908.2295270.1380627613149.JavaMail.root@vznit170176> Message-ID: <2D503169-FC15-48D8-BA05-1F97035CD4B3@yahoo.com> Hi Joe, My advice would be to read the theory of operations to get an understanding of how the deck works. While the physical built is questionable ( especially the transport which weren't built for longevity), the engineering is amazing. It could be something really simple and in most cases, it is. There are some very knowledgeable people here on the CR7 and I am sure you would be able to get some help. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh > On 1 Oct 2013, at 9:40 pm, joenapolillo at verizon.net wrote: > > Okay folks, I need assistance with a project. I am going to be working on a Nakamichi CR7A. I know the machines history. It has been well cared for and kept in a nice home. At this point I do not have the deck in my hands yet but should have it soon. I have been told that it was working fine and then one day it would not pass its Built In Tests that it performs as part of the initialization. > > I am looking for a PDF of the CR7A service manual. This would be the best place to start to get an understanding of the tests that are performed so I can trouble shoot the machine and get it back to a functional state. > > An help or leads to information of the device would be wonderful. > > Thanks > Joe > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobschneider8 at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 17:23:46 2013 From: bobschneider8 at gmail.com (Robert Schneider) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:23:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working Message-ID: I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which doesn't generate the correct calibration test tones. Specifically, there's no 400 Hz tone. Pin 4 of IC 306 does show a strong tone (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but this gets filtered to zero before it gets to IC305. If I inject a 400 Hz tone from a signal generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration pots work fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on pin 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, although maybe not accurately. Any suggestions as to what to check? Thanks! Sent from my iPad From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 18:39:41 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:39:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> Hi, Maybe the orange caps? Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 1 okt. 2013 om 17:23 heeft Robert Schneider het volgende geschreven: > > I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which doesn't generate the correct calibration test tones. Specifically, there's no 400 Hz tone. Pin 4 of IC 306 does show a strong tone (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but this gets filtered to zero before it gets to IC305. If I inject a 400 Hz tone from a signal generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration pots work fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on pin 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, although maybe not accurately. > > Any suggestions as to what to check? > > Thanks! > > Sent from my iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Oct 1 19:13:57 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:13:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yep -- Change out C317, C318 abd C325. Pain in the neck to get to. They're should all be orange drop caps unless somebody else replace one. Best of luck. Willy On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Robert Schneider wrote: > I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which doesn't generate the > correct calibration test tones. Specifically, there's no 400 Hz tone. Pin > 4 of IC 306 does show a strong tone (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but this > gets filtered to zero before it gets to IC305. If I inject a 400 Hz tone > from a signal generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration pots > work fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on pin > 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, although maybe > not accurately. > > Any suggestions as to what to check? > > Thanks! > > Sent from my iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I inject a 400 Hz tone from a signal generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration pots work fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on pin 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, although maybe not accurately. >> >> Any suggestions as to what to check? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 1 18:02:33 2013 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:02:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Most Unusual Ebay Cassette Tape Sale Ad Ever... Message-ID: Makes no sense. Especially with the price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221291833967&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:3160 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frdmoss at yahoo.com Tue Oct 1 17:45:29 2013 From: frdmoss at yahoo.com (Fred Moss) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 17:45:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with TD-500 wiring Message-ID: <4042AF94-F9AD-474E-B60B-9AB2468528D0@yahoo.com> The wiring on your TD 500 has been completely butchered. Email me for the wiring diagram. Frdmoss at yahoo.com Sent from my iPad From bobschneider8 at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 20:08:44 2013 From: bobschneider8 at gmail.com (Robert Schneider) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 13:08:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524B0FAC.4040808@gmail.com> Thanks, Willy. I'll try that and let you know how it works. On 10/1/13 12:13 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > Yep -- Change out C317, C318 abd C325. Pain in the neck to get to. > They're should all be orange drop caps unless somebody else replace one. > Best of luck. > Willy > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Robert Schneider > > wrote: > > I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which doesn't > generate the correct calibration test tones. Specifically, > there's no 400 Hz tone. Pin 4 of IC 306 does show a strong tone > (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but this gets filtered to zero before > it gets to IC305. If I inject a 400 Hz tone from a signal > generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration pots work > fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on > pin 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, > although maybe not accurately. > > Any suggestions as to what to check? > > Thanks! > > Sent from my iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Oct 1 22:46:09 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:46:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working In-Reply-To: <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting problem. Sorry I didn't read your whole post thoroughly. If, by injecting signal at VR303, all works correctly and there is good 400Hz at pin 4 of IC306 there are only three components between those two points. It must be either an open cap C321 or one of the resistors in the voltage divider R969, R361, R362. Post us when you find it please. I haven't seen this one before. Willy On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Robert Schneider wrote: > Thanks, but I've already replaced those. > > > On 10/1/13 11:39 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Maybe the orange caps? >> Best regards >> >> Norman >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 1 okt. 2013 om 17:23 heeft Robert Schneider >>> het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which doesn't generate >>> the correct calibration test tones. Specifically, there's no 400 Hz tone. >>> Pin 4 of IC 306 does show a strong tone (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but >>> this gets filtered to zero before it gets to IC305. If I inject a 400 Hz >>> tone from a signal generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration >>> pots work fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on >>> pin 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, although >>> maybe not accurately. >>> >>> Any suggestions as to what to check? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>> listinfo/naktalk >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >>> -----========= >>> >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >> listinfo/naktalk >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> >> > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobschneider8 at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 02:52:43 2013 From: bobschneider8 at gmail.com (Robert Schneider) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:52:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <524B6E5B.3020104@gmail.com> Willy, changing the 3 caps you originally suggested got the 400Hz tone generator working right (I wasn't getting 400Hz on pin 4 of IC306 before changing the caps - I was getting 3.8KHz there). Now I'm reading pin 4 as 415Hz at close to 5V, strong enough to set the levels per the service manual. But the 15KHz generator is still reading over 20KHz, and is so weak after filtering that I can't set the level for that per spec. That is supposed to end up as 20dB down from the 400Hz signal at the line outputs, but the closest I can get is over 30dB lower. Any suggestions? Thanks for all your help. On 10/1/13 3:46 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > Interesting problem. Sorry I didn't read your whole post thoroughly. > If, by injecting signal at VR303, all works correctly and there is > good 400Hz at pin 4 of IC306 there are only three components between > those two points. It must be either an open cap C321 or one of the > resistors in the voltage divider R969, R361, R362. > Post us when you find it please. I haven't seen this one before. > Willy > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Robert Schneider > > wrote: > > Thanks, but I've already replaced those. > > > On 10/1/13 11:39 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hi, > > Maybe the orange caps? > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 1 okt. 2013 om 17:23 heeft Robert Schneider > > > het volgende geschreven: > > I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which > doesn't generate the correct calibration test tones. > Specifically, there's no 400 Hz tone. Pin 4 of IC 306 > does show a strong tone (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but > this gets filtered to zero before it gets to IC305. If I > inject a 400 Hz tone from a signal generator into VR 303, > the azimuth and level calibration pots work fine. The > 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on pin > 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to > function, although maybe not accurately. > > Any suggestions as to what to check? > > Thanks! > > Sent from my iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bobschneider8 at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 02:55:43 2013 From: bobschneider8 at gmail.com (Robert Schneider) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:55:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most Unusual Ebay Cassette Tape Sale Ad Ever... In-Reply-To: <1380666769.78142.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1380666769.78142.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <524B6F0F.4080005@gmail.com> The tape pictured sure isn't a used TDK D60 - it appears to be a new late manufacture Maxell XLII. That's likely to be a much better tape, but still not worth anything like his asking price. On 10/1/13 5:32 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > He needs a tape education, eh? > Bob N > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Mark Exstedt > *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:02 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Most Unusual Ebay Cassette Tape Sale Ad Ever... > > > Makes no sense. > Especially with the price: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221291833967&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:3160 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kvarnelis at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 03:56:18 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 21:56:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Most Unusual Ebay Cassette Tape Sale Ad Ever... In-Reply-To: <524B6F0F.4080005@gmail.com> References: <1380666769.78142.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <524B6F0F.4080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, there are a lot of things wrong with that listing and the tape is not worth the asking price but back in the day, that Maxell XLII was our go-to tape for when we didn't want to spend much money or effort seeking something better. Plus they actually worked (and I don't think ever broke one!) at 100 minute lengths. K. On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Robert Schneider wrote: > The tape pictured sure isn't a used TDK D60 - it appears to be a new late manufacture Maxell XLII. That's likely to be a much better tape, but still not worth anything like his asking price. > > > On 10/1/13 5:32 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: >> He needs a tape education, eh? >> Bob N >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Mark Exstedt >> *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:02 AM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] Most Unusual Ebay Cassette Tape Sale Ad Ever... >> >> >> Makes no sense. >> Especially with the price: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221291833967&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:3160 >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From scott.h.garner at lmco.com Tue Oct 1 21:15:32 2013 From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 19:15:32 +0000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working In-Reply-To: <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Q314 is used to switch the oscillator from 15k to 400hz. When off the tank circuit is using C317, when on it is using C318. T1 turns on Q314 and also sets the one side of the and gate, IC306 to a 1. The filter in 400hz path is killing your 3.8khz, which is ok. I would check Q314. Your 15k running at 20k sounds like something in the tank circuit has drifted you're your replacement C317 is not 330pf. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schneider Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 1:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working Thanks, but I've already replaced those. On 10/1/13 11:39 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe the orange caps? > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > >> Op 1 okt. 2013 om 17:23 heeft Robert Schneider het volgende geschreven: >> >> I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which doesn't generate the correct calibration test tones. Specifically, there's no 400 Hz tone. Pin 4 of IC 306 does show a strong tone (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but this gets filtered to zero before it gets to IC305. If I inject a 400 Hz tone from a signal generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration pots work fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on pin 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, although maybe not accurately. >> >> Any suggestions as to what to check? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 22:07:41 2013 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:07:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most Unusual Ebay Cassette Tape Sale Ad Ever... 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Oct 2 17:40:29 2013 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 08:40:29 -0700 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Scott !! Great explanation of that circuit. Willy On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Garner, Scott H wrote: > Q314 is used to switch the oscillator from 15k to 400hz. When off the tank > circuit is using C317, when on it is using C318. T1 turns on Q314 and also > sets the one side of the and gate, IC306 to a 1. The filter in 400hz path > is killing your 3.8khz, which is ok. I would check Q314. Your 15k running > at 20k sounds like something in the tank circuit has drifted you're your > replacement C317 is not 330pf. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Schneider > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 1:16 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working > > Thanks, but I've already replaced those. > > On 10/1/13 11:39 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Maybe the orange caps? > > Best regards > > > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > > >> Op 1 okt. 2013 om 17:23 heeft Robert Schneider > het volgende geschreven: > >> > >> I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which doesn't generate > the correct calibration test tones. Specifically, there's no 400 Hz tone. > Pin 4 of IC 306 does show a strong tone (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but > this gets filtered to zero before it gets to IC305. If I inject a 400 Hz > tone from a signal generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration > pots work fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on > pin 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, although > maybe not accurately. > >> > >> Any suggestions as to what to check? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 20:30:30 2013 From: bobschneider8 at gmail.com (Robert Schneider) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 13:30:30 -0500 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <567D0F02-8797-457D-9EF2-A6668E41D0B8@gmail.com> Thanks, guys. This was very helpful. I ended up adding a 150pF cap in parallel to C317, which resulted in a tone at 14.4KHz. Everything is now working correctly. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: > > Thank you Scott !! Great explanation of that circuit. > Willy > > >> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Garner, Scott H wrote: >> Q314 is used to switch the oscillator from 15k to 400hz. When off the tank circuit is using C317, when on it is using C318. T1 turns on Q314 and also sets the one side of the and gate, IC306 to a 1. The filter in 400hz path is killing your 3.8khz, which is ok. I would check Q314. Your 15k running at 20k sounds like something in the tank circuit has drifted you're your replacement C317 is not 330pf. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schneider >> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 1:16 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Test Tone Generator Not Working >> >> Thanks, but I've already replaced those. >> >> On 10/1/13 11:39 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Maybe the orange caps? >> > Best regards >> > >> > Norman >> > >> > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> > >> >> Op 1 okt. 2013 om 17:23 heeft Robert Schneider het volgende geschreven: >> >> >> >> I have a ZX-7 which plays and records fine, but which doesn't generate the correct calibration test tones. Specifically, there's no 400 Hz tone. Pin 4 of IC 306 does show a strong tone (over 4V) at about 3.8KHz, but this gets filtered to zero before it gets to IC305. If I inject a 400 Hz tone from a signal generator into VR 303, the azimuth and level calibration pots work fine. The 15KHz tone generator generates a tone around 20 KHz on pin 10 of IC 306, which allows the bias calibration to function, although maybe not accurately. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions as to what to check? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> >> ===== >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> > ==== >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards Norman From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Wed Oct 2 22:23:13 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:23:13 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 In-Reply-To: <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com> References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> <567D0F02-8797-457D-9EF2-A6668E41D0B8@gmail.com> <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB09622F@STVTEX05> Hi Norman, Do you have a link or a web address? Thank you, Rodrigo Krause -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Norman van Wijnen Enviada em: quarta-feira, 2 de outubro de 2013 16:33 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 Hi , I found in Germany a seller who sells Sankyo motors. I did bought some and build a new one inside a CR1 deck. 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URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed Oct 2 22:25:40 2013 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martin ferreira) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:25:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 In-Reply-To: <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com> References: , <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com>, <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com>, , , <567D0F02-8797-457D-9EF2-A6668E41D0B8@gmail.com>, <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Can't locate it with number you provided. do you have the seller's Ebay name? or can you post the link? Martin Ferreira > From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 21:32:32 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 > > Hi , > > I found in Germany a seller who sells Sankyo motors. > I did bought some and build a new one inside a CR1 deck. > It is a exact replacement as far as i can see. Maybe you want to look at it. > > Best regards > > Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 2 23:40:49 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 07:40:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 In-Reply-To: <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com> References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> <567D0F02-8797-457D-9EF2-A6668E41D0B8@gmail.com> <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is for the reel motors Norman? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh > On 3 Oct 2013, at 5:32 am, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hi , > > I found in Germany a seller who sells Sankyo motors. > I did bought some and build a new one inside a CR1 deck. > It is a exact replacement as far as i can see. Maybe you want to look at it. > > Best regards > > Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 06:48:55 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 06:48:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 In-Reply-To: References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> <567D0F02-8797-457D-9EF2-A6668E41D0B8@gmail.com> <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1259E120-1A41-47CC-B993-F37882AB3411@gmail.com> Hi Bala, No the capstan motors. For the reel motor replacement i put a mabuchi rf310t long shaft version inside the shell of the original motor. That works great . Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 2 okt. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Bala Ganesh het volgende geschreven: > > This is for the reel motors Norman? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > >> On 3 Oct 2013, at 5:32 am, Norman van Wijnen wrote: >> >> Hi , >> >> I found in Germany a seller who sells Sankyo motors. >> I did bought some and build a new one inside a CR1 deck. >> It is a exact replacement as far as i can see. Maybe you want to look at it. >> >> Best regards >> >> Norman >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed Oct 2 23:34:11 2013 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martin ferreira) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 21:34:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Sankyo Gleichstrommotor - DC Motor regelbarer 12V Motor In-Reply-To: <799D9B11-89B5-44F5-A0EA-A904B5007425@gmail.com> References: , <799D9B11-89B5-44F5-A0EA-A904B5007425@gmail.com> Message-ID: yes i got it. thanks Martin Ferreira From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:00:58 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Sankyo Gleichstrommotor - DC Motor regelbarer 12V Motor Hi, I hope this link will work Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Begin doorgestuurd bericht: Van: Norman van Wijnen Datum: 2 oktober 2013 22:59:12 CEST Aan: "n.van.wijnen at gmail.com" Onderwerp: Sankyo Gleichstrommotor - DC Motor regelbarer 12V Motor End time: 12 okt. 2013 11:28:27 CEST View item: Sankyo Gleichstrommotor - DC Motor regelbarer 12V Motor Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Thu Oct 3 00:07:40 2013 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martin ferreira) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 22:07:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 In-Reply-To: References: , , <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com>, , <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com>, , , , , , <567D0F02-8797-457D-9EF2-A6668E41D0B8@gmail.com>, , <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Does any one know if this motor could replace one in a CR 5 or CR7? if so which one? Martin Ferreira From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:25:40 +0000 Hi Can't locate it with number you provided. do you have the seller's Ebay name? or can you post the link? Martin Ferreira > From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 21:32:32 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 > > Hi , > > I found in Germany a seller who sells Sankyo motors. > I did bought some and build a new one inside a CR1 deck. > It is a exact replacement as far as i can see. Maybe you want to look at it. > > Best regards > > Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bglosi at tilkoblet.net Thu Oct 3 11:28:23 2013 From: bglosi at tilkoblet.net (Birger Glosimot) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:28:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 In-Reply-To: References: , , <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com>, , <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com>, , , , , , <567D0F02-8797-457D-9EF2-A6668E41D0B8@gmail.com>, , <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com>, Message-ID: There should be no problem finding the item if you log on to: ebay.de and then past the number into the search bar. Birger ----- Original Message ----- From: martin ferreira To: talk Naktalk Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 Does any one know if this motor could replace one in a CR 5 or CR7? if so which one? Martin Ferreira ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:25:40 +0000 Hi Can't locate it with number you provided. do you have the seller's Ebay name? or can you post the link? Martin Ferreira > From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 21:32:32 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 > > Hi , > > I found in Germany a seller who sells Sankyo motors. > I did bought some and build a new one inside a CR1 deck. > It is a exact replacement as far as i can see. 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Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hogan Ray Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:57 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 582 "Stop" Bulb Can someone clarify if a non-functioning "Stop" bulb on my Nakamichi should prevent the deck from operating? Thanks Ray Hogan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From andruzzo at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 00:19:51 2013 From: andruzzo at gmail.com (Dimitri Androutsos) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 18:19:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stops playing - motor? Message-ID: Hello everyone, I just recently acquired a CR-7A. Everything seems to work well, except for the fact that the deck stops playing a cassette after a little while. This happens near the last 3rd of the duration of a tape (i.e., most of it is spooled on the right). The deck RWD and FFWDs wel enough and I don't see any problems. However after searching posts on various sites, I found that this can be caused by a bad reel motor and/or a idler tire... I've already ordered the idler tire....but *which* motor do I buy? I've seen a couple of motor models get mentioned but I can't seem to get a firm answer. Can someone tell me what motor(s) I should get? I see mabuchi as being the ones but which model? RF510? RF310? RF500? Can someone help me out with my little problem? thanks, dimitri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 4 00:56:16 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:56:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stops playing - motor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55E69AEE-BB14-42AB-84D9-0B3E25AF2280@yahoo.com> Hi, Check your capstan belt. Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Oct 2013, at 8:19 am, Dimitri Androutsos wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I just recently acquired a CR-7A. Everything seems to work well, except for the > fact that the deck stops playing a cassette after a little while. This happens near the last 3rd of the duration of a tape (i.e., most of it is spooled on the right). > > The deck RWD and FFWDs wel enough and I don't see any problems. > > However after searching posts on various sites, I found that this can be caused by a bad reel motor and/or a idler tire... > > I've already ordered the idler tire....but *which* motor do I buy? > > I've seen a couple of motor models get mentioned but I can't seem to get a firm answer. > > Can someone tell me what motor(s) I should get? I see mabuchi as being the ones > but which model? RF510? RF310? RF500? > > Can someone help me out with my little problem? > > thanks, > dimitri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Oct 3 17:59:20 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:59:20 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 In-Reply-To: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB09622F@STVTEX05> References: <3AFC32A0-8C70-43D9-9E43-93C421E21471@gmail.com> <524B0365.4010204@gmail.com> <567D0F02-8797-457D-9EF2-A6668E41D0B8@gmail.com> <06AE8B70-E9C6-4777-B1B1-417E58F63221@gmail.com> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB09622F@STVTEX05> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB096F45@STVTEX05> Never mind my request: I already got it with the number you provided. Thanks, Krause -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Rodrigo Krause Enviada em: quarta-feira, 2 de outubro de 2013 17:23 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: RES: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 Hi Norman, Do you have a link or a web address? Thank you, Rodrigo Krause -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Norman van Wijnen Enviada em: quarta-feira, 2 de outubro de 2013 16:33 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: [naktalk] Item ebay 111167971114 Hi , I found in Germany a seller who sells Sankyo motors. I did bought some and build a new one inside a CR1 deck. It is a exact replacement as far as i can see. Maybe you want to look at it. Best regards Norman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. Informamos que qualquer divulgação, distribuição ou cópia desta mensagem sem a prévia autorização do remetente é estritamente proibida. Se você recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, notifique imediatamente o remetente e apague esta mensagem. This e-mail message, including its exhibits, may contain privileged and/or confidential information. 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I'm sure someone on this forum knows the o-ring size for the CR-7A. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilmul at mcn.org Fri Oct 4 21:53:31 2013 From: bilmul at mcn.org (Bill Mulvihill) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:53:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT turntable Message-ID: <33894EB6-03BA-41E2-B10D-C5B7F3EA5C68@mcn.org> Does anyone have advice for troubleshooting my Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable that stopped turning last week? It may be as simple as a fuse... (but I'm not sure how simple that is) I'm in northern California & have the service manual. Thank you, Bill From bilmul at mcn.org Fri Oct 4 21:55:25 2013 From: bilmul at mcn.org (Bill Mulvihill) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:55:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT turntable Message-ID: <860729CB-1273-4798-8BEF-59E58F59A874@mcn.org> Does anyone have advice for troubleshooting my Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable that stopped turning last week? It may be as simple as a fuse... (but I'm not sure how simple that is) I'm in northern California & have the service manual. Thank you, Bill From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 09:42:14 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 09:42:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon parts Message-ID: Hi all, Soon i will get a Dragon from someone who cleaned his deck (front plate) with alcohol. The result of this was a damaged plastic part on the cassettelid. The part where the two green leds for tape direction shines through the plastic. Is there someone who has a used part for this one? Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 5 11:18:51 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 19:18:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What exactly is the damage Norman? Regards, Bala Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Oct 2013, at 5:42 pm, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hi all, > > Soon i will get a Dragon from someone who cleaned his deck (front plate) with alcohol. The result of this was a damaged plastic part on the cassettelid. The part where the two green leds for tape direction shines through the plastic. > Is there someone who has a used part for this one? > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 13:17:50 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 13:17:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon parts References: Message-ID: Hi Bala, The damage is much optical. From Part 01 the paint is gone  From: Bala Ganesh Sent: 11:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon parts What exactly is the damage Norman? Regards, Bala Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Oct 2013, at 5:42 pm, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hi all, > > Soon i will get a Dragon from someone who cleaned his deck (front plate) with alcohol. The result of this was a damaged plastic part on the cassettelid. The part where the two green leds for tape direction shines through the plastic. > Is there someone who has a used part for this one? > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards, Bala Ganesh > On 5 Oct 2013, at 9:17 pm, "Norman van Wijnen" wrote: > > Hi Bala, > > The damage is much optical. > From Part 01 the paint is gone > > > Sent from a cooler email app than the one you’re using > > From: Bala Ganesh > Sent: 11:18 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon parts > > What exactly is the damage Norman? > > Regards, > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 5 Oct 2013, at 5:42 pm, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Soon i will get a Dragon from someone who cleaned his deck (front plate) with alcohol. The result of this was a damaged plastic part on the cassettelid. The part where the two green leds for tape direction shines through the plastic. > > Is there someone who has a used part for this one? > > > > Best regards > > > > Norman > > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The part where the two green leds for tape direction shines > through the plastic. > Is there someone who has a used part for this one? > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andruzzo at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 05:41:18 2013 From: andruzzo at gmail.com (Dimitri Androutsos) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 23:41:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7A stops playing - motor? Message-ID: Do you mean the idler tire? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Harshad Khatri To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A stops playing - motor? Good call, bala. I had the same issue with my ZX7. Replaced the belt with a commercial o-ring. Works perfect. I'm sure someone on this forum knows the o-ring size for the CR-7A. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 07:39:09 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 15:39:09 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7A stops playing - motor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4476A765-720E-4FDF-8DDA-F7B5D823D1C1@yahoo.com> Hi, No the big flat belt that spins at the back of the transport. This keeps both capstans turning at the same time. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh > On 6 Oct 2013, at 1:41 pm, Dimitri Androutsos wrote: > > Do you mean the idler tire? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Harshad Khatri > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A stops playing - motor? > Good call, bala. > > I had the same issue with my ZX7. Replaced the belt with a commercial o-ring. Works perfect. > > I'm sure someone on this forum knows the o-ring size for the CR-7A. > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed Oct 9 15:48:35 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:48:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Control and Azimuth motors Message-ID: <52555EB3.1080303@univ-rennes1.fr> Dear All Although differently referenced in the service manual, could CR-7 Control (CA 80007 A) and Azimuth (0C 81396 A) motors be the same ? did anyone already take a close look at the azimuth motor ? (The control motor has a sticker with "VA 700B") Thanks Bernard From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 18:06:17 2013 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT turntable In-Reply-To: <860729CB-1273-4798-8BEF-59E58F59A874@mcn.org> References: <860729CB-1273-4798-8BEF-59E58F59A874@mcn.org> Message-ID: <1381334777.93990.YahooMailNeo@web121406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I think there is one Yahoo group called Nakturntable or something ( please serach) - I have seen one regular servicing expert recommended in this forum for repair Check with Willy Herman ( in our Naktalk list)as he services Linn turntable and is Nakamichi tech but had not posted anything about Nak turntable in naktalk but I assume he does this work also.    Kannan From: Bill Mulvihill To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 2:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT turntable Does anyone have advice for troubleshooting my Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable that stopped turning last week? It may be as simple as a fuse... (but I'm not sure how simple that is) I'm in northern California & have the service manual. Thank you, Bill ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drucyphr at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 18:23:54 2013 From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 11:23:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Lubrication oil for Nak decks Message-ID: Good morning, Has anyone used this lubricating oil on their Nakamichi decks? I found it listed on eBay for use on Nakamichi units. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthetic-Oil-For-Lubricating-Nakamichi-Cassette-Tape-Decks-Large-4oz-Bottle-/121004834709 Can anyone point me to a better solution? Thanks, Andrew Wade -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harshadkhatri at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 18:52:43 2013 From: harshadkhatri at yahoo.com (Harshad Khatri) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT turntable In-Reply-To: <1381334777.93990.YahooMailNeo@web121406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1381337563.50681.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web142806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A good resource would be Stephen Sank,  in Tucson.   I have always been happy with the quality of his work on my Nakamichi equipment. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erstedbar at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 22:19:12 2013 From: erstedbar at yahoo.com (Ersted Bar) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Lubrication oil for Nak decks Message-ID: <1381349952.57387.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web141004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hello,Andrew.The Nakamichi oil is the Launa Oil,but difficult to Nazi! ------------------------------ On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:23 AM PDT drucyphr wrote: >Good morning, > >Has anyone used this lubricating oil on their Nakamichi decks? I found it >listed on eBay for use on Nakamichi units. > >http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthetic-Oil-For-Lubricating-Nakamichi-Cassette-Tape-Decks-Large-4oz-Bottle-/121004834709 > >Can anyone point me to a better solution? > >Thanks, >Andrew Wade From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 22:56:36 2013 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 16:56:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Lubrication oil for Nak decks In-Reply-To: <1381349952.57387.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web141004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1381349952.57387.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web141004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: haha On 10/9/13, Ersted Bar wrote: > > Hello,Andrew.The Nakamichi oil is the Launa Oil,but difficult to Nazi! > > > > ------------------------------ > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:23 AM PDT drucyphr wrote: > >>Good morning, >> >>Has anyone used this lubricating oil on their Nakamichi decks? I found it >>listed on eBay for use on Nakamichi units. >> >>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthetic-Oil-For-Lubricating-Nakamichi-Cassette-Tape-Decks-Large-4oz-Bottle-/121004834709 >> >>Can anyone point me to a better solution? >> >>Thanks, >>Andrew Wade > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From erstedbar at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 22:39:19 2013 From: erstedbar at yahoo.com (Ersted Bar) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Lubrication oil for Nak decks Message-ID: <1381351159.90052.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web141004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ------------------------------ On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:23 AM PDT drucyphr wrote: >Good morning, > >Has anyone used this lubricating oil on their Nakamichi decks? I found it >listed on eBay for use on Nakamichi units. > >http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthetic-Oil-For-Lubricating-Nakamichi-Cassette-Tape-Decks-Large-4oz-Bottle-/121004834709 > >Can anyone point me to a better solution? > >Thanks, >Andrew Wade you can to try to seek you and Ballistol, Germans production extra ordinary thing! From erstedbar at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 01:18:53 2013 From: erstedbar at yahoo.com (Ersted Bar) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 16:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Lubrication oil for Nak decks Message-ID: <1381360733.23289.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web141004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ------------------------------ On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:56 PM PDT MD wrote: >haha > >On 10/9/13, Ersted Bar wrote: >> >> Hello,Andrew.The Nakamichi oil is the Launa Oil,but difficult to Nazi! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:23 AM PDT drucyphr wrote: >> >>Good morning, >> >>Has anyone used this lubricating oil on their Nakamichi decks? I found it >>listed on eBay for use on Nakamichi units. >> >>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthetic-Oil-For-Lubricating-Nakamichi-Cassette-Tape-Decks-Large-4oz-Bottle-/121004834709 >> >>Can anyone point me to a better solution? >> >>Thanks, >>Andrew Wade >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naks lubrication free EXCEPT when part are replaced.Apply the following lubricant for each replaced part:LAUNA 100,Capstan,presure roller,thrust cap...or equivalent type...My faworite is a Ballistol German product... From bilmul at mcn.org Fri Oct 11 01:21:53 2013 From: bilmul at mcn.org (Bill Mulvihill) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:21:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon CT turntable Message-ID: <630667F6-DDAB-4114-9F23-A198E257DD39@mcn.org> Thank you to kannan & Harshad for the recommendations... I did email Willy Herman; he said he does not work on the turntables or know anyone who does... I will look into the yahoo group & Stephen Sank. (though Tucson is rather far from Northern California) Any other suggestions? Thank you, Bill From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 15:36:21 2013 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:36:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon CT turntable In-Reply-To: <630667F6-DDAB-4114-9F23-A198E257DD39@mcn.org> References: <630667F6-DDAB-4114-9F23-A198E257DD39@mcn.org> Message-ID: You should probably look into Nak archives as well,there's ton of information,especially from Stephen Sank himself. On 10/10/13, Bill Mulvihill wrote: > Thank you to kannan & Harshad for the recommendations... I did email Willy > Herman; he said he does not work on the turntables or know anyone who > does... I will look into the yahoo group & Stephen Sank. (though Tucson is > rather far from Northern California) > > Any other suggestions? > > Thank you, > Bill > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Oct 12 14:08:04 2013 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martin ferreira) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 12:08:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 capastan noise Message-ID: hello. my BX 300 produces a low volume high pitched sound from the capstan motors probably around 2 or 3000 Hz. What can be the cause? Do the bearings need lubrication? Is there a simple way to go about it? Or is it an electronic issue? many thanks Martin Ferreira -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Oct 13 00:44:50 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 capastan noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381617890.9203.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've never heard high pitched noise from dry capstan bearings, however... The capstans bearings certainly do need lubrication. This is easy to do: Put the deck vertically on its back. Remove the door. Raise the washers on the capstans (no need to remove). Power the deck and put one drop of oil (I know this is blasphemy, but I use regular sewing machine oil) on the base of each capstan. Keep on doing this until the oil no longer seeps in (takes a while, the oil should reach all the way down). Lower the washers (all the way down but not to touch the bearing)  and THOROUGHLY clean the capstans. Repeat every couple of years (average use). -- Ron On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:26 AM, martin ferreira wrote: >hello. my BX 300 produces a low volume high pitched sound from the capstan motors probably around 2 or 3000 Hz. What can be the cause? Do the bearings need lubrication? Is there a simple way to go about it? Or is it an electronic issue? many thanks > > >Martin Ferreira >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Oct 13 14:23:42 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 08:23:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 whine Message-ID: <7A052F6A-BC21-4DA1-A3FF-12211B94A540@comcast.net> I have come across that same whine from the BX-300 and other similar DD decks (CR-4,5,7) and normally it is caused by the capstan belt side loading the bearings and causing the motor to work harder. The whine actually appears to come from the DD motor itself as it is too high a frequency for the capstan rotation. I experimented with different belts on a particularly loud BX-300 that I had just put a Marrs belt on and the original OE belt was significantly quieted the whine. i do not know if it is worn bearings or bearing alignment. when I adjusted the bearing thrust freeplay, it helped but I never totally eliminated it to my satisfaction, so I parted the deck out. The gear driven idler was worth more than the deck with that whine. I currently have 2 BX-300s, CR-4,5,7 and have had a few cross my bench all whine free with Marrs belts installed, it just seems to be the luck of the draw. Lubrication doesn't seem to help, but is still a good idea anyway, just limit it to 2 drops per capstan. The bearings are porous and absorb oil & too much makes a big mess and will not be absorbed. From andruzzo at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 21:03:51 2013 From: andruzzo at gmail.com (Dimitri Androutsos) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:03:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stopping problem - update and more questions Message-ID: Following advice on Naktalk...(Bala Ganesh, in particular): I changed the Capstan belt and the idler tire (don't have the gear update) on my CR-7a (aside: which was a pleasure compared to the Dragon), and I also did a thorough pinch roller cleaning. HOWEVER: Deck still stops on its own as the tape proceeds about 3/4 of the way through (on a C90) So it seems that there must be a problem with the reel motor. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). Questions: 1) DeOxit is my next step....how much success do you guys have with it? Also, DeOxit D5 or D100? 2) Does ANYONE know where to source a replacement reel motor for the CR-7A?? I've found some people refer to mabuchi motors for other decks but I have not seen anything *specifically* for the 7A. Some guy had some sankyo motors for sale on eBay Germany but would not sell to me in Canada. Can Anyone give me some direction on this?? 3) Is the gear upgrade worth the effort? I ask this since the deck won't be getting regular play. I just want it to play reliably when used. Much appreciated, dimitri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 22:17:16 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:17:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stopping problem - update and more questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dimitri , No original reel motors i am afraid. I would go for a parts deck and build the gear upgrade and the reel motor from the parts deck into your cr7. I think you could use a bx 125 or another cheap two head deck from the bx cr dr series. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 13 okt. 2013 om 21:03 heeft Dimitri Androutsos het volgende geschreven: > > Following advice on Naktalk...(Bala Ganesh, in particular): > > I changed the Capstan belt and the idler tire (don't have the gear update) on my CR-7a (aside: which was a pleasure compared to the Dragon), and I also did a thorough pinch roller cleaning. > > HOWEVER: Deck still stops on its own as the tape proceeds about 3/4 of the way through (on a C90) > > So it seems that there must be a problem with the reel motor. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). > > Questions: > > 1) DeOxit is my next step....how much success do you guys have with it? Also, DeOxit D5 or D100? > > 2) Does ANYONE know where to source a replacement reel motor for the CR-7A?? I've found some people refer to mabuchi motors for other decks but I have not seen anything *specifically* for the 7A. Some guy had some sankyo motors for sale on eBay Germany but would not sell to me in Canada. Can Anyone give me some direction on this?? > > 3) Is the gear upgrade worth the effort? I ask this since the deck won't be getting regular play. I just want it to play reliably when used. > > Much appreciated, > dimitri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Oct 14 01:11:51 2013 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:11:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stopping problem - update and more questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you considered that the fault may lie with sticky liners or tape in an old C90 cassette? I have changed shells and liners a couple of times to solve that problem. From: Dimitri Androutsos Reply-To: Naktalk Date: Monday, 14 October 2013 5:03 AM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stopping problem - update and more questions Following advice on Naktalk...(Bala Ganesh, in particular): I changed the Capstan belt and the idler tire (don't have the gear update) on my CR-7a (aside: which was a pleasure compared to the Dragon), and I also did a thorough pinch roller cleaning. HOWEVER: Deck still stops on its own as the tape proceeds about 3/4 of the way through (on a C90) So it seems that there must be a problem with the reel motor. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). Questions: 1) DeOxit is my next step....how much success do you guys have with it? Also, DeOxit D5 or D100? 2) Does ANYONE know where to source a replacement reel motor for the CR-7A?? I've found some people refer to mabuchi motors for other decks but I have not seen anything *specifically* for the 7A. Some guy had some sankyo motors for sale on eBay Germany but would not sell to me in Canada. Can Anyone give me some direction on this?? 3) Is the gear upgrade worth the effort? I ask this since the deck won't be getting regular play. I just want it to play reliably when used. Much appreciated, dimitri ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 14 02:01:02 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:01:02 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stopping problem - update and more questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C8D395-7CCB-4974-97AA-9E3DC8F976EF@yahoo.com> Hi, Try a couple of drops of oil on the motor bearings. Is the taken up spool stopping with the supply spool still turning? I would recommend Norman's advice in changing to a gear drive because it does away with rubber issues during prolonged storage of the deck. I use DeOxit and it is highly recommended. I use the Gold G series. I would recommend giving it a shot of air to blow out dust and dirt before applying cleaner. Regards, Bala C Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Oct 2013, at 5:03 am, Dimitri Androutsos wrote: > > Following advice on Naktalk...(Bala Ganesh, in particular): > > I changed the Capstan belt and the idler tire (don't have the gear update) on my CR-7a (aside: which was a pleasure compared to the Dragon), and I also did a thorough pinch roller cleaning. > > HOWEVER: Deck still stops on its own as the tape proceeds about 3/4 of the way through (on a C90) > > So it seems that there must be a problem with the reel motor. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). > > Questions: > > 1) DeOxit is my next step....how much success do you guys have with it? Also, DeOxit D5 or D100? > > 2) Does ANYONE know where to source a replacement reel motor for the CR-7A?? I've found some people refer to mabuchi motors for other decks but I have not seen anything *specifically* for the 7A. Some guy had some sankyo motors for sale on eBay Germany but would not sell to me in Canada. Can Anyone give me some direction on this?? > > 3) Is the gear upgrade worth the effort? I ask this since the deck won't be getting regular play. I just want it to play reliably when used. > > Much appreciated, > dimitri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sun Oct 13 23:09:09 2013 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martin ferreira) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 21:09:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stopping problem - update and more questions In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Mabuchi might have a motor in stock that would replace the sankyo one. they manufactuer a range of small motors. Martin Ferreira > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A stopping problem - update and more questions > From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:17:16 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Dimitri , > > No original reel motors i am afraid. I would go for a parts deck and build the gear upgrade and the reel motor from the parts deck into your cr7. I think you could use a bx 125 or another cheap two head deck from the bx cr dr series. > > Best regards > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > > Op 13 okt. 2013 om 21:03 heeft Dimitri Androutsos het volgende geschreven: > > > > Following advice on Naktalk...(Bala Ganesh, in particular): > > > > I changed the Capstan belt and the idler tire (don't have the gear update) on my CR-7a (aside: which was a pleasure compared to the Dragon), and I also did a thorough pinch roller cleaning. > > > > HOWEVER: Deck still stops on its own as the tape proceeds about 3/4 of the way through (on a C90) > > > > So it seems that there must be a problem with the reel motor. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). > > > > Questions: > > > > 1) DeOxit is my next step....how much success do you guys have with it? Also, DeOxit D5 or D100? > > > > 2) Does ANYONE know where to source a replacement reel motor for the CR-7A?? I've found some people refer to mabuchi motors for other decks but I have not seen anything *specifically* for the 7A. Some guy had some sankyo motors for sale on eBay Germany but would not sell to me in Canada. Can Anyone give me some direction on this?? > > > > 3) Is the gear upgrade worth the effort? I ask this since the deck won't be getting regular play. 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URL: From kslwinter at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 23:09:57 2013 From: kslwinter at gmail.com (Scott Winter) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:09:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 capastan noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701cec858$92a44740$b7ecd5c0$@gmail.com> Hi- It's not the motor. transport needs to be torn apart and modified. See my Ebay ad- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=121132434811&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT I can take care of the noise and make your BX300 sound awesome!! Scott From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of martin ferreira Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:08 AM To: talk Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 capastan noise hello. my BX 300 produces a low volume high pitched sound from the capstan motors probably around 2 or 3000 Hz. What can be the cause? Do the bearings need lubrication? Is there a simple way to go about it? Or is it an electronic issue? many thanks Martin Ferreira -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 14 13:43:34 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 capastan noise In-Reply-To: <002701cec858$92a44740$b7ecd5c0$@gmail.com> References: <002701cec858$92a44740$b7ecd5c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1381751014.6887.YahooMailNeo@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Scott,  A typical Nak transport would require a thorough rebuild. However, how are the electronics of the deck dealt with? I would expect the caps in the PSU and supply caps in the soundstage to require some work given the age of the decks?  Kind Regards, Bala  ________________________________ From: Scott Winter To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 7:09 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX 300 capastan noise Hi- It’s not the motor… transport needs to be torn apart and modified. See my Ebay ad-   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121132434811&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT   I can take care of the noise and make your BX300 sound awesome!! Scott   From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of martin ferreira Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:08 AM To: talk Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 capastan noise   hello. my BX 300 produces a low volume high pitched sound from the capstan motors probably around 2 or 3000 Hz. What can be the cause? Do the bearings need lubrication? Is there a simple way to go about it? Or is it an electronic issue? many thanks Martin Ferreira ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Oct 14 14:29:46 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:29:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cr7 stopping Message-ID: Have you tried FF and REW a 90 min tape 5 or 6 times, then tried playing a tape near the end? Often it is just oxide build up on the motor. As the tape gets near the end it requires more torque and slows down and the oxide causes it to stop. I try not to use Deoxit as it is a cleaner and you are as likely to clean out any lubrication as any oxide. If you know how to remove the motor (not difficult but a PITA) you can put 2 drops on the shaft bearing and let sit overnight. Then do the FF &REW a few times and see if that does it. Download the service manual and find the pot that adjusts reel torque and tweak it up a little it increases the voltage to the motor during normal run and that often helps. Unfortunately, if you are going to let the deck sit for extended periods, unused, this problem will likely reoccur. IF you can find a gear driven deck cheap and IF that deck has no stopping problems, it is usually worth it for decks that sit. Check the service manuals of the decks in question to make sure all the parts are the same. While I have had great luck with a lot of decks with the same exact problems, I have had 2 or 3 that did require a donor motor, so it is half luck and half cure. Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone From josephjean at verizon.net Mon Oct 14 15:26:27 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:26:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Strange Dragon issue Message-ID: <525BF103.2020109@verizon.net> When I first power up, the front panel switches work but it won't play. Give it a few minutes to warm and it works just fine. I've not check rail voltages but are the caps in the power supplies starting to fail? -- Roland From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Oct 15 01:22:52 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cr7 stopping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381792972.98093.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Assuming the deck stops because a takeup problem has actuated the auto shutoff circuit, the issue can be a dead spot on the motor, due to wear, not necessarily oxidation. I am not sure that exercising the motor in FF or REW will be much help, because the motor operates differently in FF/REW and PLAY. In FF/REW, it's driven with about 9V and allowed to freely run at the maximum attainable speed under that specific load. In PLAY, it is driven by low voltage (around 3V) with the intent that it collect untaut tape at low torque and continually 'slip' if it can't. Because the torque during PLAY is so low, any internal rough spot or excessive friction will stop the motor. If these are caused by commutator or bearing wear, I doubt external lubrication will resurrect the motor -- at least, this has been my experience). Yes,I know people claim that a spurt of contact cleaner saved the day (the Lord worksin mysterious ways!). If one is up to task of removing the motor (it's a PITA), it's easy to take it apart. If the bearings are still smooth with a nice fit and the commutator/brushes not too worn, one can try to thoroughly clean and lubricate. IME, this has been iffy.  Best bet is replacement. Unfortunately, donor decks are usually well used and the chance of a pristine reel motor is not good. Still, donor decks can be had for little, so looking for one is worthwhile. Personally, I have a stock of Mabuchi motors that I have been able to use successfully. These are not ideal, either, as the mounting bracket had to be reworked, a job I wouldn't recommend to beginners, and -- since the motor is a bit smaller than the original -- FF/REW got slightly slower. On the pro side, these are new motors and are likely to last the life of the deck. I only replaced a few, but never heard back from any owner -- a good omen. Good luck, -- Ron On Monday, October 14, 2013 9:29 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: Have you tried FF and REW a 90 min tape 5 or 6 times, then tried playing a tape near the end? Often it is just oxide build up on the motor. As the tape gets near the end it requires more torque and slows down and the oxide causes it to stop. I try not to use Deoxit as it is a cleaner and you are as likely to clean out any lubrication as any oxide. If you know how to remove the motor (not difficult but a PITA) you can put 2 drops on the shaft bearing and let sit overnight. Then do the FF &REW a few times and see if that does it. Download the service manual and find the pot that adjusts reel torque and tweak it up a little it increases the voltage to the motor during normal run and that often helps. Unfortunately, if you are going to let the deck sit for extended periods, unused, this problem will likely reoccur. IF you can find a gear driven deck cheap and IF that deck has no stopping problems, it is usually worth it for decks that sit. Check the service manuals of the decks ! >in question to make sure all the parts are the same. While I have had great luck with a lot of decks with the same exact problems, I have had 2 or 3 that did require a donor motor, so it  is half luck and half cure. > >Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 15 02:01:49 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 whine In-Reply-To: <7A052F6A-BC21-4DA1-A3FF-12211B94A540@comcast.net> References: <7A052F6A-BC21-4DA1-A3FF-12211B94A540@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1381795309.78361.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I would check the DD drive circuit because this could also be an issue with the drive electronics and the drive signal delivered to the DD motor. Check the waveform for any overshoot or spikes because that can significantly change the performance of the motor to cause the high frequency whine. Years back, we had similar issues in the Switching Power Supply industry when switching MOSFETS were operating very close to their envelopes and needed circuit changes to quieten them down. Check that the drive circuit itself is within spec and voltages.  ________________________________ From: Perry Esposito To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 whine I have come across that same whine from the  BX-300 and other similar DD decks (CR-4,5,7) and normally it is caused by the capstan belt side loading the bearings and causing the motor to work harder. The whine actually appears to come from the DD motor itself as it is too high a frequency for the capstan rotation. I experimented with different belts on a particularly loud BX-300 that I had just put a Marrs belt on and the original OE belt was significantly quieted the whine. i do not know if it is worn bearings or bearing alignment. when I adjusted the bearing thrust freeplay, it helped but I never totally eliminated it to my satisfaction, so I parted the deck out. The gear driven idler was worth more than the deck with that whine. I currently have 2 BX-300s, CR-4,5,7 and have had a few cross my bench all whine free with Marrs belts installed, it just seems to be the luck of the draw. Lubrication doesn't seem to help, but is still a good idea anyway, just limit it to 2 drops!   per capstan.  The bearings are porous and absorb oil & too much makes a big mess and will not be absorbed. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 15 02:02:48 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cr7 stopping In-Reply-To: <1381792972.98093.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1381792972.98093.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1381795368.91408.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Read Norman's email on replacing the drive motor with a newer Mabuchi replacement.  Rgds ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; "andruzzo at gmail.com" Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cr7 stopping Assuming the deck stops because a takeup problem has actuated the auto shutoff circuit, the issue can be a dead spot on the motor, due to wear, not necessarily oxidation. I am not sure that exercising the motor in FF or REW will be much help, because the motor operates differently in FF/REW and PLAY. In FF/REW, it's driven with about 9V and allowed to freely run at the maximum attainable speed under that specific load. In PLAY, it is driven by low voltage (around 3V) with the intent that it collect untaut tape at low torque and continually 'slip' if it can't. Because the torque during PLAY is so low, any internal rough spot or excessive friction will stop the motor. If these are caused by commutator or bearing wear, I doubt external lubrication will resurrect the motor -- at least, this has been my experience). Yes,I know people claim that a spurt of contact cleaner saved the day (the Lord worksin mysterious ways!). If one is up to task of removing the motor (it's a PITA), it's easy to take it apart. If the bearings are still smooth with a nice fit and the commutator/brushes not too worn, one can try to thoroughly clean and lubricate. IME, this has been iffy.  Best bet is replacement. Unfortunately, donor decks are usually well used and the chance of a pristine reel motor is not good. Still, donor decks can be had for little, so looking for one is worthwhile. Personally, I have a stock of Mabuchi motors that I have been able to use successfully. These are not ideal, either, as the mounting bracket had to be reworked, a job I wouldn't recommend to beginners, and -- since the motor is a bit smaller than the original -- FF/REW got slightly slower. On the pro side, these are new motors and are likely to last the life of the deck. I only replaced a few, but never heard back from any owner -- a good omen. Good luck, -- Ron On Monday, October 14, 2013 9:29 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: Have you tried FF and REW a 90 min tape 5 or 6 times, then tried playing a tape near the end? Often it is just oxide build up on the motor. As the tape gets near the end it requires more torque and slows down and the oxide causes it to stop. I try not to use Deoxit as it is a cleaner and you are as likely to clean out any lubrication as any oxide. If you know how to remove the motor (not difficult but a PITA) you can put 2 drops on the shaft bearing and let sit overnight. Then do the FF &REW a few times and see if that does it. Download the service manual and find the pot that adjusts reel torque and tweak it up a little it increases the voltage to the motor during normal run and that often helps. Unfortunately, if you are going to let the deck sit for extended periods, unused, this problem will likely reoccur. IF you can find a gear driven deck cheap and IF that deck has no stopping problems, it is usually worth it for decks that sit. Check the service manuals of the decks ! >in question to make sure all the parts are the same. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Oct 15 02:43:58 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:43:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cr7 stopping In-Reply-To: <1381792972.98093.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1381792972.98093.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8E9C5740-F653-4E72-98A8-11DB4609F1F8@peromarta.org> Hi ron. What replacement are these mabuchis (p/n please) and if you could explain a little bit more the reworking of the plate. Any pics? Thanks very much. Best. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > El 14/10/2013, a las 19:22, Ron escribió: > > Assuming the deck stops because a takeup problem has actuated the auto shutoff > circuit, the issue can be a dead spot on the motor, due to wear, not necessarily > oxidation. I am not sure that exercising the motor in FF or REW will be much help, > because the motor operates differently in FF/REW and PLAY. In FF/REW, it's driven > with about 9V and allowed to freely run at the maximum attainable speed under that > specific load. In PLAY, it is driven by low voltage (around 3V) with the intent that it > collect untaut tape at low torque and continually 'slip' if it can't. > > Because the torque during PLAY is so low, any internal rough spot or excessive friction > will stop the motor. If these are caused by commutator or bearing wear, I doubt external > lubrication will resurrect the motor -- at least, this has been my experience). Yes,I know > people claim that a spurt of contact cleaner saved the day (the Lord works in mysterious > ways!). > > If one is up to task of removing the motor (it's a PITA), it's easy to take it apart. If the > bearings are still smooth with a nice fit and the commutator/brushes not too worn, one > can try to thoroughly clean and lubricate. IME, this has been iffy. > > Best bet is replacement. Unfortunately, donor decks are usually well used and the > chance of a pristine reel motor is not good. Still, donor decks can be had for little, so > looking for one is worthwhile. Personally, I have a stock of Mabuchi motors that I > have been able to use successfully. These are not ideal, either, as the mounting > bracket had to be reworked, a job I wouldn't recommend to beginners, and -- since > the motor is a bit smaller than the original -- FF/REW got slightly slower. On the pro > side, these are new motors and are likely to last the life of the deck. I only replaced a > few, but never heard back from any owner -- a good omen. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > On Monday, October 14, 2013 9:29 AM, Perry Esposito wrote: > Have you tried FF and REW a 90 min tape 5 or 6 times, then tried playing a tape near the end? Often it is just oxide build up on the motor. As the tape gets near the end it requires more torque and slows down and the oxide causes it to stop. I try not to use Deoxit as it is a cleaner and you are as likely to clean out any lubrication as any oxide. If you know how to remove the motor (not difficult but a PITA) you can put 2 drops on the shaft bearing and let sit overnight. Then do the FF &REW a few times and see if that does it. Download the service manual and find the pot that adjusts reel torque and tweak it up a little it increases the voltage to the motor during normal run and that often helps. Unfortunately, if you are going to let the deck sit for extended periods, unused, this problem will likely reoccur. IF you can find a gear driven deck cheap and IF that deck has no stopping problems, it is usually worth it for decks that sit. Check the service manuals of the decks ! > in question to make sure all the parts are the same. 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 08:43:21 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:43:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 whine In-Reply-To: <1381795309.78361.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7A052F6A-BC21-4DA1-A3FF-12211B94A540@comcast.net> <1381795309.78361.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A80A3CC-42FA-4384-8EA6-D90980F95B5D@gmail.com> Hi, I wonder if it is possible that the coils of the dd motor sometimes makes that noise because of free copper wires? Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 15 okt. 2013 om 02:01 heeft Bala Ganesh Chandra het volgende geschreven: > > I would check the DD drive circuit because this could also be an issue with the drive electronics and the drive signal delivered to the DD motor. Check the waveform for any overshoot or spikes because that can significantly change the performance of the motor to cause the high frequency whine. Years back, we had similar issues in the Switching Power Supply industry when switching MOSFETS were operating very close to their envelopes and needed circuit changes to quieten them down. Check that the drive circuit itself is within spec and voltages. > > From: Perry Esposito > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 whine > > I have come across that same whine from the BX-300 and other similar DD decks (CR-4,5,7) and normally it is caused by the capstan belt side loading the bearings and causing the motor to work harder. The whine actually appears to come from the DD motor itself as it is too high a frequency for the capstan rotation. I experimented with different belts on a particularly loud BX-300 that I had just put a Marrs belt on and the original OE belt was significantly quieted the whine. i do not know if it is worn bearings or bearing alignment. when I adjusted the bearing thrust freeplay, it helped but I never totally eliminated it to my satisfaction, so I parted the deck out. The gear driven idler was worth more than the deck with that whine. I currently have 2 BX-300s, CR-4,5,7 and have had a few cross my bench all whine free with Marrs belts installed, it just seems to be the luck of the draw. Lubrication doesn't seem to help, but is still a good idea anyway, just limit it to 2 drops! > per capstan. 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 11:39:38 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:39:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Prices cr 7 decks Message-ID: Hi all, I see prices on ebay between 2400 and 3300 dollar for a cr 7 deck . Are they going nuts ? Are they selling something? I can' t imagine. I am advertising with a complete rebuild cr5 (orange caps, belts etc, calibrated) here in the Netherlands but nobody wants that machine . Compared to a cr7 it isn't a bad deck i think but the cr7 seems to be the holy grail at this moment. I wonder what a realistic price for a cr7 should be this moment. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Oct 15 14:45:51 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:45:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 (Sankyo transport) stopping Message-ID: <0D017530-716A-437F-A264-0CF4BF2015F3@comcast.net> What Ron says is all true. If the motor has worn bearings or worn out brushes then lube or Deoxit are a waste of time, and the only sure fire repair is new motor replacement. There are some fairly good YouTube videos IIRC, showing motor replacement. The plate rework is drilling new holes to match the new motors threaded hole locations and is a PITA, because you want the shaft to remain in the exact same spot. FF & REW actually only use about 5V, not 9, which brings up another possible cure which is to run the motor in both directions with a 9V battery. "Dead spots" on a motor are simply worn off copper and carbon brush material that has built up in the gaps of the commutator, bridging the windings with a resistive load so the motor has insufficient EMF to rotate correctly. High speed rotation can sometimes knock out the carbon, as well as polish the commutator surface which can be very oxidized and the major source of the problem. I have "cured" a few motors as outlined, and a dry higher friction bearing certainly adds to the load. It is a royal PITA to unhook everything, remove, reinstall, the transport and motor, then hook it all back up to find no improvement, so be aware. If time is money, then motor replacement is the way to go. If time is free, well, then its certainly worth a shot to try the simple thing first. As Ron said, there is no way to know the actual condition of the motor without disassembly and the success rate for me doing that has been low as well on the Sankyo motors compared to the standard transport motors. If the motor is sluggish at all in FF & REW then replacement is definitely a better bet. Personally, I've never found a rebuild of the transport with a clean and lube to ever cure this problem, but if there is a mod that Scott makes that does, I wouldn't mind knowing what it is! From andruzzo at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 22:31:36 2013 From: andruzzo at gmail.com (Dimitri Androutsos) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:31:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cr7 stopping In-Reply-To: <1381792972.98093.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1381792972.98093.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron Thanks for the reply. What model mabuchi motor do you use for the 7A? On 2013-10-14 7:23 PM, "Ron" wrote: > Assuming the deck stops because a takeup problem has actuated the auto > shutoff > circuit, the issue can be a dead spot on the motor, due to wear, not > necessarily > oxidation. I am not sure that exercising the motor in FF or REW will be > much help, > because the motor operates differently in FF/REW and PLAY. In FF/REW, it's > driven > with about 9V and allowed to freely run at the maximum attainable speed > under that > specific load. In PLAY, it is driven by low voltage (around 3V) with the > intent that it > collect untaut tape at low torque and continually 'slip' if it can't. > > Because the torque during PLAY is so low, any internal rough spot or > excessive friction > will stop the motor. If these are caused by commutator or bearing wear, I > doubt external > lubrication will resurrect the motor -- at least, this has been my > experience). Yes,I know > people claim that a spurt of contact cleaner saved the day (the Lord worksin mysterious > ways!). > > If one is up to task of removing the motor (it's a PITA), it's easy to > take it apart. If the > bearings are still smooth with a nice fit and the commutator/brushes not > too worn, one > can try to thoroughly clean and lubricate. IME, this has been iffy. > > Best bet is replacement. Unfortunately, donor decks are usually well used > and the > chance of a pristine reel motor is not good. Still, donor decks can be had > for little, so > looking for one is worthwhile. Personally, I have a stock of Mabuchi > motors that I > have been able to use successfully. These are not ideal, either, as the > mounting > bracket had to be reworked, a job I wouldn't recommend to beginners, and > -- since > the motor is a bit smaller than the original -- FF/REW got slightly > slower. On the pro > side, these are new motors and are likely to last the life of the deck. I > only replaced a > few, but never heard back from any owner -- a good omen. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > On Monday, October 14, 2013 9:29 AM, Perry Esposito < > perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote: > > Have you tried FF and REW a 90 min tape 5 or 6 times, then tried playing a > tape near the end? Often it is just oxide build up on the motor. As the > tape gets near the end it requires more torque and slows down and the oxide > causes it to stop. I try not to use Deoxit as it is a cleaner and you are > as likely to clean out any lubrication as any oxide. If you know how to > remove the motor (not difficult but a PITA) you can put 2 drops on the > shaft bearing and let sit overnight. Then do the FF &REW a few times and > see if that does it. Download the service manual and find the pot that > adjusts reel torque and tweak it up a little it increases the voltage to > the motor during normal run and that often helps. Unfortunately, if you are > going to let the deck sit for extended periods, unused, this problem will > likely reoccur. IF you can find a gear driven deck cheap and IF that deck > has no stopping problems, it is usually worth it for decks that sit. Check > the service manuals of the decks ! > in question to make sure all the parts are the same. While I have had > great luck with a lot of decks with the same exact problems, I have had 2 > or 3 that did require a donor motor, so it is half luck and half cure. > > Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Tue Oct 15 23:22:48 2013 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martin ferreira) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:22:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Prices cr 7 decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hI NORMAN That depends on the condition and service history. Priced have been rising for the CR7 and one sold for $ 1200 last week on ebay with the bill for recent service shown in the listing. The bill was 275$ with cap replacement, alignment and calibration. No new belt or idler. So for those prices one must be sure they are as good as new, or almost!. Regarding your CR5. Those are great naks. I have both the 7 the 5 as well as a newly acquired BX300 which sounds better than i expected. You should get at least 500 euros or more for the CR5. If it has new belts , idler and is in perfect condition you could get more. It's a matter or luck in the end what you will get for it. Martin Ferreira > From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:39:38 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Prices cr 7 decks > > Hi all, > > I see prices on ebay between 2400 and 3300 dollar for a cr 7 deck . > Are they going nuts ? Are they selling something? I can' t imagine. > I am advertising with a complete rebuild cr5 (orange caps, belts etc, calibrated) here in the Netherlands but nobody wants that machine . > Compared to a cr7 it isn't a bad deck i think but the cr7 seems to be the holy grail at this moment. > I wonder what a realistic price for a cr7 should be this moment. > > Best regards > > Norman > > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 16 17:22:55 2013 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cr7 stopping - new update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381936975.27288.YahooMailNeo@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Dimitri, Glad you got it! I hope it continues to run. I have a CR-5 that has somewhat the same symptoms so your experiment gives me some hope. Keep us posted. Bob N  ________________________________ From: Dimitri Androutsos To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cr7 stopping - new update DeOxit D5. Honestly, I had my doubts and if I didn't try it myself I still would not really have believed it. Sprayed a bunch of DeOxit D5 into the cr-7a reel motor from the holes accessible behind the idler..let it FFWD for a few good minutes...and then VOILA. ...motor has played through 5 C90 tapes without stopping once. Observing the operation of the roller I see that it rolls nicely and no slight pausing or instantaneous stopping... nothing. Still....I'm gonna get me a good backup motor to have for the future, but this seems to have done the trick.  Gonna keep playing it for the rest of the day to work it. I gotta spray this stuff on everything I got! ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Oct 16 17:14:23 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:14:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl replacement boards Message-ID: <7811A055-5BBE-4719-AD8E-DFA48FE40D4D@comcast.net> I seem to recall a thread a while back about someone on Naktalk (Gennady maybe?) making a run of new improved printed circuit boards for the 1000zxl? I finally got a hold of one in need of repair and the main board that the others plug into is warped, so looking for possible solutions. Also wondered if anyone has the actual M-9057 test unit that I can rent? I started to breadboard one based on the schematic, but realize that finding the 9(!) connectors will be near impossible. I have a few connectors I can steal from parts decks but even then, I will be forced to use some mini clips. Also the 1SS53 diodes are NLA anywhere and I have not located a cross. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 16 21:50:37 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:50:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl replacement boards In-Reply-To: <7811A055-5BBE-4719-AD8E-DFA48FE40D4D@comcast.net> References: <7811A055-5BBE-4719-AD8E-DFA48FE40D4D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Is this the deck we recently heard about that had a bad 10v power supply? I managed to correct a warp in one by putting hard foam supports in the bottom plate to gentle push it back, with the upper clamp holding the daughter boards in place. Given the age of the boards, it isn't recommended to straighten the boards back because that's when misadventures like track/pad separations and cracks start to happen. Use 1N4444 diodes and look at standard Molex parts. My first unit was done with Delrin blocks having precise holes to hold the female crimps in place. Eventually I got some from Molex years ago for testing and replaces them which had worked beautifully for me. I'll flick through some old mails to see what the part numbers are. The boards as you might know, can be repaired with a good iron and steady hand. I've rewired a few boards like the way the 700Z ZXL board was done and they've worked. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh > On 17 Oct 2013, at 1:14 am, Perry Esposito wrote: > > I seem to recall a thread a while back about someone on Naktalk (Gennady maybe?) making a run of new improved printed circuit boards for the 1000zxl? I finally got a hold of one in need of repair and the main board that the others plug into is warped, so looking for possible solutions. Also wondered if anyone has the actual M-9057 test unit that I can rent? I started to breadboard one based on the schematic, but realize that finding the 9(!) connectors will be near impossible. I have a few connectors I can steal from parts decks but even then, I will be forced to use some mini clips. Also the 1SS53 diodes are NLA anywhere and I have not located a cross. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 16 21:52:55 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:52:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cr7 stopping - new update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dimitri, Glad you got it going although I would strongly suggest you get that motor. I've never been a fan of rebuilding these motors. I've found a few in good condition in various part bins. As soon as I see one consistently playing up, it goes into the trash. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh > On 17 Oct 2013, at 12:51 am, Dimitri Androutsos wrote: > > DeOxit D5. > > Honestly, I had my doubts and if I didn't try it myself I still would not really have believed it. > > Sprayed a bunch of DeOxit D5 into the cr-7a reel motor from the holes accessible behind the idler..let it FFWD for a few good minutes...and then VOILA. > > ...motor has played through 5 C90 tapes without stopping once. Observing the operation of the roller I see that it rolls nicely and no slight pausing or instantaneous stopping... nothing. > > Still....I'm gonna get me a good backup motor to have for the future, but this seems to have done the trick. Gonna keep playing it for the rest of the day to work it. > > I gotta spray this stuff on everything I got! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Oct 16 22:40:29 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:40:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000zxl replacement boards In-Reply-To: <7811A055-5BBE-4719-AD8E-DFA48FE40D4D@comcast.net> References: <7811A055-5BBE-4719-AD8E-DFA48FE40D4D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47AC63F7-2E2C-49A4-B1DD-439BE40709FE@comcast.net> Never mind, I found the thread, August 2012 and it was for an etched PCB for the M-9057, which is pretty simple to breadboard for the few times it would be used. Getting the parts is harder than building it. Hope no one wasted any time on that. Any reason a 1N456 diode couldn't be used in place of the 1SS53? Specs are very similar. From martinferreira at hotmail.com Thu Oct 17 00:08:38 2013 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martin ferreira) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:08:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cr7 stopping - new update In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: do you know the part number for the motor? Martin Ferreira > CC: naktalk at naks.com > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cr7 stopping - new update > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:52:55 +1000 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Dimitri, > > Glad you got it going although I would strongly suggest you get that motor. I've never been a fan of rebuilding these motors. I've found a few in good condition in various part bins. As soon as I see one consistently playing up, it goes into the trash. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > > On 17 Oct 2013, at 12:51 am, Dimitri Androutsos wrote: > > > > DeOxit D5. > > > > Honestly, I had my doubts and if I didn't try it myself I still would not really have believed it. > > > > Sprayed a bunch of DeOxit D5 into the cr-7a reel motor from the holes accessible behind the idler..let it FFWD for a few good minutes...and then VOILA. > > > > ...motor has played through 5 C90 tapes without stopping once. Observing the operation of the roller I see that it rolls nicely and no slight pausing or instantaneous stopping... nothing. > > > > Still....I'm gonna get me a good backup motor to have for the future, but this seems to have done the trick. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 10:00:41 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:00:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000zxl replacement boards In-Reply-To: <47AC63F7-2E2C-49A4-B1DD-439BE40709FE@comcast.net> References: <7811A055-5BBE-4719-AD8E-DFA48FE40D4D@comcast.net> <47AC63F7-2E2C-49A4-B1DD-439BE40709FE@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0383261C-C9E2-4FDF-B1FF-75740BB1FDBC@gmail.com> Dear ZXL user, I could part out a working 1000ZXL ( no record bias ) . If 12 to 15 parts of it getting sold for 100.- Euro each. I did import this Deck from Japan, It is a 100 Volt Version, and I did buy a 117 Volt original transformer a while ago. The Deck is very clean and playback is working perfect. So it is just an Idea, an opinion. I do not know, how many different parts are needed to repair some other Decks . If I get more time again, I would like to give a new trail to repair the not stating bias CPU. regards Gerhard Am 16.10.2013 um 22:40 schrieb Perry Esposito: > Never mind, I found the thread, August 2012 and it was for an > etched PCB for the M-9057, which is pretty simple to breadboard for > the few times it would be used. Getting the parts is harder than > building it. Hope no one wasted any time on that. Any reason a > 1N456 diode couldn't be used in place of the 1SS53? Specs are very > similar. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 17 10:45:53 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:45:53 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000zxl replacement boards In-Reply-To: <0383261C-C9E2-4FDF-B1FF-75740BB1FDBC@gmail.com> References: <7811A055-5BBE-4719-AD8E-DFA48FE40D4D@comcast.net> <47AC63F7-2E2C-49A4-B1DD-439BE40709FE@comcast.net> <0383261C-C9E2-4FDF-B1FF-75740BB1FDBC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <566420E3-8D59-4F4C-ADE0-6B0955291480@yahoo.com> Hi Gerhard, Please do not part the machine. The bias is easy to fix but what a pity. One less 1000ZXL on the world. At a time when even the original factory is gone, we can't create a new one. Best Regards, Bala Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Oct 2013, at 6:00 pm, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > > Dear ZXL user, > > I could part out a working 1000ZXL ( no record bias ) . > > If 12 to 15 parts of it getting sold for 100.- Euro each. > > I did import this Deck from Japan, It is a 100 Volt Version, and I did buy a 117 Volt original transformer a while ago. > > The Deck is very clean and playback is working perfect. > > So it is just an Idea, an opinion. I do not know, how many different parts are needed to repair some other Decks . If I get more time again, > > I would like to give a new trail to repair the not stating bias CPU. > > regards > > Gerhard > > >> Am 16.10.2013 um 22:40 schrieb Perry Esposito: >> >> Never mind, I found the thread, August 2012 and it was for an etched PCB for the M-9057, which is pretty simple to breadboard for the few times it would be used. Getting the parts is harder than building it. Hope no one wasted any time on that. Any reason a 1N456 diode couldn't be used in place of the 1SS53? Specs are very similar. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 13:27:26 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:27:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000zxl replacement boards In-Reply-To: <566420E3-8D59-4F4C-ADE0-6B0955291480@yahoo.com> References: <7811A055-5BBE-4719-AD8E-DFA48FE40D4D@comcast.net> <47AC63F7-2E2C-49A4-B1DD-439BE40709FE@comcast.net> <0383261C-C9E2-4FDF-B1FF-75740BB1FDBC@gmail.com> <566420E3-8D59-4F4C-ADE0-6B0955291480@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Gerhard, I am missing still two boards inside my 1000zxl so i would be pleased to buy these boards from you Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 17 okt. 2013 om 10:45 heeft Bala Ganesh het volgende geschreven: > > Hi Gerhard, > > Please do not part the machine. The bias is easy to fix but what a pity. One less 1000ZXL on the world. At a time when even the original factory is gone, we can't create a new one. > > Best Regards, > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 17 Oct 2013, at 6:00 pm, Gerhard Wartha wrote: >> >> Dear ZXL user, >> >> I could part out a working 1000ZXL ( no record bias ) . >> >> If 12 to 15 parts of it getting sold for 100.- Euro each. >> >> I did import this Deck from Japan, It is a 100 Volt Version, and I did buy a 117 Volt original transformer a while ago. >> >> The Deck is very clean and playback is working perfect. >> >> So it is just an Idea, an opinion. I do not know, how many different parts are needed to repair some other Decks . If I get more time again, >> >> I would like to give a new trail to repair the not stating bias CPU. >> >> regards >> >> Gerhard >> >> >>> Am 16.10.2013 um 22:40 schrieb Perry Esposito: >>> >>> Never mind, I found the thread, August 2012 and it was for an etched PCB for the M-9057, which is pretty simple to breadboard for the few times it would be used. Getting the parts is harder than building it. Hope no one wasted any time on that. Any reason a 1N456 diode couldn't be used in place of the 1SS53? Specs are very similar. >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Oct 22 21:52:23 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:52:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards Message-ID: <705A42C9-2705-4965-B132-83BC052EF657@comcast.net> Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be resurrected. Ben, I requested membership on to the user group, did you get it? From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed Oct 23 09:11:48 2013 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:11:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards In-Reply-To: <705A42C9-2705-4965-B132-83BC052EF657@comcast.net> References: <705A42C9-2705-4965-B132-83BC052EF657@comcast.net> Message-ID: <526776B4.5030408@univ-rennes1.fr> Perry, Cannot remember exactly which board was made but here are two pictures that will speak by themselves to those who have the 1000 ZXL. May be you can contact Mike directly. Hope this will help. Bernard P.S: I will try to come back soon to the ZX-9 new DD board project Perry Esposito a écrit : > Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be resurrected. Ben, I requested membership on to the user group, did you get it? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 23 okt. 2013 om 09:11 heeft bb het volgende geschreven: > > Perry, > > Cannot remember exactly which board was made but here are two pictures that will speak by themselves to those who have the 1000 ZXL. > May be you can contact Mike directly. > Hope this will help. > > Bernard > > P.S: I will try to come back soon to the ZX-9 new DD board project > > Perry Esposito a écrit : >> Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be resurrected. Ben, I requested membership on to the user group, did you get it? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From psycho at rayhogan.net Wed Oct 23 11:15:23 2013 From: psycho at rayhogan.net (Hogan Ray) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:15:23 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Bulbs Message-ID: <059F6980-6588-4973-9B36-7F2EA84DB178@rayhogan.net> Does anyone know if the function indicator bulbs in a 480 are the same as those in the 582. I have a 480 I can use for spares and my 582 needs a “Stop” bulb. Thanks Ray Hogan Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best. - Frank Zappa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NewGoJLogos3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 47236 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikemaxcel at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 11:55:28 2013 From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:55:28 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 128, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <201310231041.r9NAX36d011990@zxe.naks.com> References: <201310231041.r9NAX36d011990@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: The boards both the playback and the Record Dolby were made for my own used and a few still left. Those who interested please contact me. Mikemaxcel On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Replacement 1000zxl boards (Perry Esposito) > 2. Re: Replacement 1000zxl boards (bb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:52:23 -0400 > From: Perry Esposito > Subject: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <705A42C9-2705-4965-B132-83BC052EF657 at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB > boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. > Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? > Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be > resurrected. Ben, I requested membership on to the user group, did you get > it? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:11:48 +0200 > From: bb > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <526776B4.5030408 at univ-rennes1.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Perry, > > Cannot remember exactly which board was made but here are two pictures > that will speak by themselves to those who have the 1000 ZXL. > May be you can contact Mike directly. > Hope this will help. > > Bernard > > P.S: I will try to come back soon to the ZX-9 new DD board project > > Perry Esposito a écrit : > > Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB > boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. > Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? > Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be > resurrected. 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On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mikemaxcel wrote: > The boards both the playback and the Record Dolby were made for my own > used and a few still left. > Those who interested please contact me. > > Mikemaxcel > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Replacement 1000zxl boards (Perry Esposito) >> 2. Re: Replacement 1000zxl boards (bb) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:52:23 -0400 >> From: Perry Esposito >> Subject: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: <705A42C9-2705-4965-B132-83BC052EF657 at comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB >> boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. >> Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? >> Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be >> resurrected. Ben, I requested membership on to the user group, did you get >> it? >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:11:48 +0200 >> From: bb >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <526776B4.5030408 at univ-rennes1.fr> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Perry, >> >> Cannot remember exactly which board was made but here are two pictures >> that will speak by themselves to those who have the 1000 ZXL. >> May be you can contact Mike directly. >> Hope this will help. >> >> Bernard >> >> P.S: I will try to come back soon to the ZX-9 new DD board project >> >> Perry Esposito a écrit : >> > Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB >> boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. >> Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? >> Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be >> resurrected. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 23 13:21:45 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:21:45 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Replacement 1000zxl boards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, Where are the boards made in? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh > On 23 Oct 2013, at 8:21 pm, Mikemaxcel wrote: > > > The boards are now in very top quality and very much better than the original. > The improvements: > 1.PCB used : with FR-4 2mm > > 2. Doubled track：2 oz.copper track > 3.Both sides with ID printed, > 4.Multiple legs spacing (5mm/7.5mm/10mm) for capacitors along the > > signal paths have been added. > > 5.Jumping wires are eliminated. > > 6.Relays paths are redesigned to be used with latest Omron relays > > (G5V,G6E) and etc for both 6v (jumper > > with 100ohm resistor) and 12v (jumper with bare wire). > > > >> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mikemaxcel wrote: >> The boards both the playback and the Record Dolby were made for my own used and a few still left. >> Those who interested please contact me. >> >> Mikemaxcel >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:41 PM, wrote: >>> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >>> naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> naktalk-request at naks.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> naktalk-owner at naks.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >>> >>> >>> Naktalk digest mailing list >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Replacement 1000zxl boards (Perry Esposito) >>> 2. Re: Replacement 1000zxl boards (bb) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:52:23 -0400 >>> From: Perry Esposito >>> Subject: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Message-ID: <705A42C9-2705-4965-B132-83BC052EF657 at comcast.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be resurrected. Ben, I requested membership on to the user group, did you get it? >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:11:48 +0200 >>> From: bb >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Message-ID: <526776B4.5030408 at univ-rennes1.fr> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Perry, >>> >>> Cannot remember exactly which board was made but here are two pictures >>> that will speak by themselves to those who have the 1000 ZXL. >>> May be you can contact Mike directly. >>> Hope this will help. >>> >>> Bernard >>> >>> P.S: I will try to come back soon to the ZX-9 new DD board project >>> >>> Perry Esposito a écrit : >>> > Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be resurrected. 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URL: From scott.h.garner at lmco.com Wed Oct 23 12:08:47 2013 From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:08:47 +0000 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards In-Reply-To: <526776B4.5030408@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <705A42C9-2705-4965-B132-83BC052EF657@comcast.net> <526776B4.5030408@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: It is the dolby playback board. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:12 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Replacement 1000zxl boards Perry, Cannot remember exactly which board was made but here are two pictures that will speak by themselves to those who have the 1000 ZXL. May be you can contact Mike directly. Hope this will help. Bernard P.S: I will try to come back soon to the ZX-9 new DD board project Perry Esposito a écrit : > Ok, now I read on the Yahoo 1000zxl user group that there WERE 2 PCB boards made by a member, which is what I though I remembered originally. Anyone with any detail on this? Who, which ones , still available etc? Thanks Bala and Willy for your help so far. I hope this deck can be resurrected. Ben, I requested membership on to the user group, did you get it? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Oct 23 16:27:55 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 07:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bulbs In-Reply-To: <059F6980-6588-4973-9B36-7F2EA84DB178@rayhogan.net> References: <059F6980-6588-4973-9B36-7F2EA84DB178@rayhogan.net> Message-ID: <1382538475.80531.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> You could peruse the service manuals of both decks to find the following information: The stop lamp in the 582 (part designation PL603) is a 12V/25mA bulb, P/N OB08552A. The only similar lamp I could find in the 480 is PL407, also 12V/25mA, but P/N OB08562A. It's located on the Auto Shutoff PCB assembly. I can't tell whether the two lamps are identical, but you can, by physically comparing them. Good luck, -- Ron On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:05 AM, Hogan Ray wrote: Does anyone know if the function indicator bulbs in a 480 are the same as those in the 582. > > >I have a 480 I can use for spares and my 582 needs a “Stop” bulb. > > >Thanks > > > > >Ray Hogan > > > > >Information is not knowledge. >Knowledge  is not wisdom. >Wisdom is not truth. >Truth is not beauty. >Beauty  is not love. >Love is not music. >Music is the best. - Frank Zappa > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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El 23/10/2013, a las 17:02, Dimitri Androutsos escribió: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where I can get a replacement bulb for the cassette bay of a CR-7A? > (or willing to part with an extra one?) > > dimitri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Wed Oct 23 17:49:54 2013 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A light bulb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382543394.7028.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dimitri, contact Jeff Galin at Electronics Service Labs (ESL) at 860-529-3700 in the state of Connecticut, USA (jeff at nakamichi.us).  His website is eslabs.com He has an inventory of hundreds of original Nak parts for most of the various tape deck models.  I had my CR-7A overhauled by him, and he replaced my cassette bay bulb with an original one.   Jayson On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:30 AM, Dimitri Androutsos wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know where I can get a replacement bulb for the cassette bay of a CR-7A? (or willing to part with an extra one?) dimitri ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Oct 24 16:32:12 2013 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A light bulb In-Reply-To: <1382543394.7028.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1382543394.7028.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1382625132.17848.YahooMailNeo@web121405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> CR 7A bulb can be replaced by so many alternatives - it should be correct Voltage/current rating as well as size( dia of the bulb matters most as it cannot be fixed otherwise on the space available behind the plate ) Lot of RC train light bulbs are avaialble which can be substituted here. If still anybody needs a bulb please check with me - for free ( only shipping charge) I can send it to you provided you give me some time to search among too many stuff in my home kannan   From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A light bulb Dimitri, contact Jeff Galin at Electronics Service Labs (ESL) at 860-529-3700 in the state of Connecticut, USA (jeff at nakamichi.us).  His website is eslabs.com He has an inventory of hundreds of original Nak parts for most of the various tape deck models.  I had my CR-7A overhauled by him, and he replaced my cassette bay bulb with an original one.   Jayson On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:30 AM, Dimitri Androutsos wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know where I can get a replacement bulb for the cassette bay of a CR-7A? (or willing to part with an extra one?) dimitri ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If still anybody needs a bulb please check with me - for free ( only shipping charge) I can send it to you provided you give me some time to search among too many stuff in my home kannan   From: Jayson Levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A light bulb Dimitri, contact Jeff Galin at Electronics Service Labs (ESL) at 860-529-3700 in the state of Connecticut, USA (jeff at nakamichi.us).  His website is eslabs.com He has an inventory of hundreds of original Nak parts for most of the various tape deck models.  I had my CR-7A overhauled by him, and he replaced my cassette bay bulb with an original one.   Jayson On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:30 AM, Dimitri Androutsos wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know where I can get a replacement bulb for the cassette bay of a CR-7A? 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I'm a former audio geek and oh, BTW I have another Nak as well (actually I have a bunch of Nak stuff - car audio and an RX-202 I believe). I loved their original car stuff (excepting the decks). If there is any interest, please advise via email or phone. Sincerely, Theodore (Ted) Weber t:(406) 880-8436 f:(406) 542-6592 e:theodore.weber at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sat Oct 26 10:49:58 2013 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 04:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires Message-ID: Ebay shut my site down for a month but I'm back up Thanks, Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793 "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pinkert6 at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 17:02:43 2013 From: pinkert6 at gmail.com (brian pinkerton) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:02:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Theo I have several Naks but would love to own the ZX . I have 1200 cassettes(Maxell TDK) + 200 prerecorded ones. I rotate constantly the decks I use to keep them as fresh as possible. I'm in Fort Wayne Indiana. What is the best price you can give me. Does it come from a non smoking environment and has it had any servicing(belts idler alignment etc)? Cosmetically how is it? Thanks On Oct 26, 2013 3:31 AM, "Theodore Weber" wrote: > I have a ZX-9 that I really don't want to part with, but I have teenagers > (no suggestions regarding other options regarding the Teenagers please!) > > I believe this unit to be in good condition (I have been a Naktalk > subscriber for years) although I will admit it has been mostly a "rack" > ornament lately. I purchased it to meet the requirements of a state > contract and while the state was very happy with the results the contract > was never awarded. > > I am really not wanting to part with it, but circumstances dictate that I > need to do so. I think what needs to happen is that I need to put it on > eBay, but if someone wants to love this, I would forego this option however > I want everyone happy. I'm a former audio geek and oh, BTW I have another > Nak as well (actually I have a bunch of Nak stuff - car audio and an RX-202 > I believe). I loved their original car stuff (excepting the decks). > > If there is any interest, please advise via email or phone. > > Sincerely, > > Theodore (Ted) Weber > t:(406) 880-8436 > f:(406) 542-6592 > e:theodore.weber at gmail.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:41 AM To: NakTalk Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi everyone, I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? Your help will be greatly appreciated. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 18:48:41 2013 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:48:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08AB0B09-8AF0-4800-939D-A6F306A2F4DA@gmail.com> LN means LOW NOISE. The are very good CE caps. Best way is to leave them working . If needed replace them with Silmic II or NICHICON Muse. Low Noise is a UNITED STATES PATENT, 4,345,302 for more Information see PDF:  regards Gerhard Am 26.10.2013 um 14:40 schrieb Mercedes Benz: > Hi everyone, > > I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit > on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange > coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v > (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a > couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have > the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them > with any standard elec caps? > > Your help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? > >Your help will be greatly appreciated. > >Regards >Nadeem > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Oct 26 21:17:02 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382815022.79883.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I, too, am curious about the answer to the above. -- Ron On Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:28 AM, brian pinkerton wrote: Theo I have several Naks but would love to own the ZX . I have 1200 cassettes(Maxell TDK) + 200 prerecorded ones. I rotate constantly the decks I use to keep them as fresh as possible. I'm in Fort Wayne Indiana. What is the best price you can give me. Does it come from a non smoking environment and has it had any servicing(belts idler alignment etc)? Cosmetically how is it? Thanks >On Oct 26, 2013 3:31 AM, "Theodore Weber" wrote: > >I have a ZX-9 that I really don't want to part with, but I have teenagers (no suggestions regarding other options regarding the Teenagers please!) >> >> >>I believe this unit to be in good condition (I have been a Naktalk subscriber for years) although I will admit it has been mostly a "rack" ornament lately. I purchased it to meet the requirements of a state contract and while the state was very happy with the results the contract was never awarded.  >> >> >>I am really not wanting to part with it, but circumstances dictate that I need to do so. I think what needs to happen is that I need to put it on eBay, but if someone wants to love this, I would forego this option however I want everyone happy. I'm a former audio geek and oh, BTW I have another Nak as well (actually I have a bunch of Nak stuff - car audio and an RX-202 I believe). I loved their original car stuff (excepting the decks). >> >> >>If there is any interest, please advise via email or phone.  >> >> >>Sincerely,   >> >>  >> >>Theodore (Ted) Weber >> >>t:(406) 880-8436 >>f:(406) 542-6592 >>e:theodore.weber at gmail.com >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:41 AM To: NakTalk Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi everyone, I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? Your help will be greatly appreciated. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 23:35:27 2013 From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 23:35:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors In-Reply-To: <1382814829.61664.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1382814829.61664.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A72F882-60FA-4180-893B-A26B70F6F78F@gmail.com> Hi, If you look To the other side of the capacitor you see that the manufacturer used another material to close the cap. Normaly you see something made from rubber but the orange ones are closed with a hars or something like that. I think this caps are made that way so they have not to much influance from vibrations. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 26 okt. 2013 om 21:13 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > LN often means 'Low Noise', though this may -- or may not -- be what it means > here. I would replace with 105ºC electrolytics (High Frequency kind, if you can > find them). Any Color will do (the color means nothing). > > -- Ron > > > On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:07 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? > > Your help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any Color will do (the color means nothing). -- Ron On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:07 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi everyone, > >I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? > >Your help will be greatly appreciated. > >Regards >Nadeem > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen Sent: 27/10/2013 00:21 To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi, If you look To the other side of the capacitor you see that the manufacturer used another material to close the cap. Normaly you see something made from rubber but the orange ones are closed with a hars or something like that. I think this caps are made that way so they have not to much influance from vibrations. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 26 okt. 2013 om 21:13 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > LN often means 'Low Noise', though this may -- or may not -- be what it means > here. I would replace with 105ºC electrolytics (High Frequency kind, if you can > find them). Any Color will do (the color means nothing). > > -- Ron > > > On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:07 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? > > Your help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This noise gets worse when I bring my hand close to the mentioned capacitor and slightly reduced if I touch the chasis. I don't currently own an ESR meter to test this cap in circuit but will try and pull it out to test on my DMM. The other symptom is that I am getting -11.2v instead of +12v on the Bias oscillator circuit on the power PCB. Thanks again for the suggestions, I will replace the suspect cap and report back. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha Sent: 26/10/2013 22:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors LN means LOW NOISE. The are very good CE caps. Best way is to leave them working . If needed replace them with Silmic II or NICHICON Muse. Low Noise is a UNITED STATES PATENT, 4,345,302 for more Information see PDF:  regards Gerhard Am 26.10.2013 um 14:40 schrieb Mercedes Benz: > Hi everyone, > > I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit > on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange > coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v > (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a > couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have > the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them > with any standard elec caps? > > Your help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While they were out I replaced them with the standard electrolytics I had but the symptom persisted so I put the original caps back in. I am getting -11.8v where there should be +12v on the bias oscillator board. I tested the voltages on the oscillator pins and it seems that 4 of the pins have -11.8v on them (all 4 on the 2 transistors side). Are these voltages correct or is the oscillator broke? Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Mercedes Benz Sent: 27/10/2013 11:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi Norman, I will pull it out today and have a look. Thanks for the info. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen Sent: 27/10/2013 00:21 To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with LX-5 Capacitors Hi, If you look To the other side of the capacitor you see that the manufacturer used another material to close the cap. Normaly you see something made from rubber but the orange ones are closed with a hars or something like that. I think this caps are made that way so they have not to much influance from vibrations. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 26 okt. 2013 om 21:13 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven: > > LN often means 'Low Noise', though this may -- or may not -- be what it means > here. I would replace with 105ºC electrolytics (High Frequency kind, if you can > find them). Any Color will do (the color means nothing). > > -- Ron > > > On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:07 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I need to replace a few electrolytic caps on the PB Eq. Amp circuit on my LX-5 but am a little confused as there are some orange coloured ones which the service manual describes as i.e 47uF 6.3v (LN). Can someone please tell me what this LN means? There are a couple of blue coloured caps in the same circuit which don't have the LN in the specs, is there any difference or can i replace them with any standard elec caps? > > Your help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > Sent from my killer Windows Phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 19:58:30 2013 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:58:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape head for Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <82423B9A-322E-4FA2-85EF-165F91922D4E@yahoo.com> References: <9ED3340F-7DC5-4ED9-8956-61CF4E7078F4@peromarta.org> <1369739097.92590.YahooMailNeo@web140605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <82423B9A-322E-4FA2-85EF-165F91922D4E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have one Bala. hitech77 at earthlink.net On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Bala Ganesh wrote: > Hi Gents, > > I have a Nak 600 here that has come damaged. Does anyone have a spare head > for sale? > > Kind Regards, > Bala > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrsifontes at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 02:43:30 2013 From: jrsifontes at gmail.com (Jose Sifontes) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:43:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX3 Playback Problems Message-ID: I have not encountered this particular problem before so thought I would post here and get some help. I have a Nax LX3 that, if I press play, the heads will rise and play and the tape will turn as normal but no output. If I press Rewind or Forward briefly and then press play again, it playbacks fine and will continue until I press stop. If I then press play again I am in the same situation, no play back unless I press rew of fwd briefly. Any ideas? I have changed everything in this deck that I can think of. Stumped. Thanks, Jose -- ---------- (Pepe) Jose Sifontes jrsifontes at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Oct 28 13:31:11 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:31:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback Message-ID: <58570CE1-23CD-4C42-9521-B91D6B54244A@comcast.net> I've seen this before. On the LX-3, the cam also operates a long switch on the main board via the round metal cable that switches between Dolby for recording and Dolby for playback. It sounds to me like the switch is getting stuck between record mode and play mode (or is only in record mode, have you checked to see if it will record on a blank tape when you hit play with "no sound"). You can try lubricating the switch or checking the cam positions in Stop and Play, but I am sure it is related to that. Sent from Perry Esposito via iPhone g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2013\2013-September.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Sep 1 00:16:28 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:16:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with TD-500 wiring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, I recently bought a TD-500 for my car which was sold as seen because the seller had kept it stored for 20 odd years but he said it was working when stored. I want to test it by connecting it directly to a 12v battery. The deck came without any fuses but I have ordered a few to connect to the bare wires according to the owner's manual. The manual suggests to connect the yellow wire to the +ve terminal of the battery and the red wire to the ignition (which in this case I presume should also go to the +ve) but there is a also a black wire which I don't know if to connect and where. Also there is a green wire along side the red wire, should I connect it to the -ve or just leave it unconnected. Can someone please help me connect this deck to a battery so I can test if it is working? Below is a link to a photo of my deck showing all the wires. http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/dnice_1/media/image_zps11751884.jpg.html Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. Best regards Nadeem From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:21:35 +0100 To: naktalk at naks.com Thanks Ron, Norman and Bala for your help, I will replace all the orange caps as soon as I can source them cheaply in the UK. When I replaced the caps in the bias circuit I couldn't find all the parts in UK so had to order from digikey in US who charged me more for postage than the parts themselves and not to mention the import tax on top. Thanks once again and I will report back once the deck is fixed. Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone From: Ziggo Sent: 31/08/2013 00:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi Nadeem, If you feel you are dealing with a failing component because of temperature there is something like cold spray . That spray cools down the component to temperatures far below zero degrees and thats maybe a better way to detect the failing component. Otherwise, if you want a deck for operating without problems for many years it is a good idee to replace the orange caps. ( but that is my opinion ofcourse) Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 30 aug. 2013 om 23:05 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: Hi Norman, Thanks for your suggestion, I will see if I can replace all the orange caps in the recording circuit. I just finished replacing all the orange caps in the bias circuit, previously the deck wasn't even recording on Ex and SX tapes. Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone From: Ziggo Sent: 30/08/2013 19:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi Nadeem, If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. Best regards Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: Hi Norman, No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone From: Ziggo Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi, Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: Hi everyone, Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks & best regards Nadeem Sent from my Windows Phone From: Mercedes Benz Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? Thanks and best regards Nadeem From: Mercedes Benz Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Hi Ron, Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. Regards Nadeem From: Ron Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but he mentioned a shorted series resistor. -- Ron From: Gennady Lyskin To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 "Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive bias current." Did you mean recessive bias current? Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots without damaging anything: 1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. 2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. 3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. 4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the head side, making sure nothing is shorting. This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 Hi, I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Sep 1 14:05:26 2013 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry Esposito) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:05:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sound on ZX-9 fades away Message-ID: <14265FBE-6AF5-4078-8566-547F39AFA01A@comcast.net> The ZX-9 is quite sensitive to the correct capstan belt. As the take up capstan is direct drive, it never slips, but a stretched belt to the supply will slip making the differential speed between the two way off and cause tape skew. Of course, if the owner actually admits the pressure rollers look like they need to be replaced, then of course they must be pretty dirty and that compounds the problem immensely. Absolutely positively do NOT use brake fluid to clean pressure rollers. Rubber Rejuvenator or Rubber Restore, both work great for a deep clean, as does naphtha, which used to be the main ingredient in lighter fluid. Of course be careful with naphtha as it damages plastics. If you don't have access to American Recorder S-721H, then IPA is fine, but pretty ineffective on really dirty rollers, fine to clean lightly used ones. People have been using IPA for many years, no bad effects. Rarely do ZX-9 or that generation need the rollers replaced, but if you do, replacements are available, but a fair amount of disassembly is required. If you find it too difficult to keep your tape path clean, changing the rollers may be way too difficult. Nakamichi recommended cleaning the tape path every 10 to 20 tapes, IIRC. From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Sep 1 15:40:07 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 06:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: <1377890668.7907.0@master.lan> References: <1377890668.7907.0@master.lan> Message-ID: <1378042807.81725.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>   Good idea. Though I would try tapping first, before reaching for the freeze spray can.   -- Ron   >________________________________ > From: Tony Nelson >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:24 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > >On 13-08-29 17:40:17, Mercedes Benz wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it >> made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the >> right channel during recording even without any source signal. But >> one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes >> into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is >> something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any >> noise though. >> >> Any help will be appreciated. > >Freeze spray. > >-- >____________________________________________________________________ >TonyN.:'                      >      '                              >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Sep 1 15:43:35 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1378043015.54299.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>   Obbviously, this will fix the problem, IF one of the caps you replace is at fault AND you don't insert a new problem while doing it. Otherwise, you'll be right back where you started, but wiser  :-).   -- Ron   >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:05 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >Hi Norman, > >Thanks for your suggestion, I will see if I can replace all the orange caps in the recording circuit. I just finished replacing all the orange caps in the bias circuit, previously the deck wasn't even recording on Ex and SX tapes. > >Best regards >Nadeem > > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > > >________________________________ > From: Ziggo >Sent: 30/08/2013 19:59 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > >Hi Nadeem, > > >If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. > > >Best regards > > >Norman > > > > >Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > >Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > > >Hi Norman, >> >>No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. >> >>Regards >>Nadeem >> >>Sent from my killer  Windows Phone >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Ziggo >>Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >>Hi, >> >> >>Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected >> >> >>Norman >> >>Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >>Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: >> >> >>Hi everyone, >>> >>>Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. >>> >>>Any help will be appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks & best regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>>Sent from my Windows Phone >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 >>>To: NakTalk >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>>I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. >>> >>>Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. >>> >>>Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? >>> >>>Thanks and best regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >>>To: NakTalk >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>>Hi Ron, >>> >>>Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. >>> >>>Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. >>> >>>Regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Ron >>>Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >>>To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> >>>Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >>>he mentioned a shorted series resistor. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Gennady Lyskin >>>>To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>>>bias current." >>>>Did you mean recessive bias current? >>>> >>>>Gennady Lyskin >>>> >>>>G e n n L a b >>>>http://www.gennlab.com/ >>>>info at gennlab.com >>>>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>>New Zealand >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Ron >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >>>>> >>>>>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>>>>without damaging anything: >>>>> >>>>>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>>>>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>>>>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>>>>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>>>>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>>>>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >>>>> >>>>>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know  :-). >>>>> >>>>>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>>>>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >>>>> >>>>>-- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>>>>> >>>>>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>>>>> >>>>>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>>>>> >>>>>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks and best regards >>>>>>Nadeem >>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The deck came without any fuses but I have ordered a few to connect to the bare wires according to the owner's manual. The manual suggests to connect the yellow wire to the +ve terminal of the battery and the red wire to the ignition (which in this case I presume should also go to the +ve) but there is a also a black wire which I don't know if to connect and where. Also there is a green wire along side the red wire, should I connect it to the -ve or just leave it unconnected. Can someone please help me connect this deck to a battery so I can test if it is working? Below is a link to a photo of my deck showing all the wires.   http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/dnice_1/media/image_zps11751884.jpg.html Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. Best regards Nadeem ------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But thanks again for your help, I will report back when I find something. Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ron Sent: 01/09/2013 16:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 Obbviously, this will fix the problem, IF one of the caps you replace is at fault AND you don't insert a new problem while doing it. Otherwise, you'll be right back where you started, but wiser :-). -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:05 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >Hi Norman, > >Thanks for your suggestion, I will see if I can replace all the orange caps in the recording circuit. I just finished replacing all the orange caps in the bias circuit, previously the deck wasn't even recording on Ex and SX tapes. > >Best regards >Nadeem > > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > > >________________________________ > From: Ziggo >Sent: 30/08/2013 19:59 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > >Hi Nadeem, > > >If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. > > >Best regards > > >Norman > > > > >Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > >Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: > > >Hi Norman, >> >>No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. >> >>Regards >>Nadeem >> >>Sent from my killer Windows Phone >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Ziggo >>Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >>Hi, >> >> >>Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected >> >> >>Norman >> >>Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >>Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: >> >> >>Hi everyone, >>> >>>Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. >>> >>>Any help will be appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks & best regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>>Sent from my Windows Phone >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 >>>To: NakTalk >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>>I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. >>> >>>Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. >>> >>>Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? >>> >>>Thanks and best regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >>>To: NakTalk >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>>Hi Ron, >>> >>>Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. >>> >>>Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. >>> >>>Regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Ron >>>Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >>>To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>> >>>Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >>>he mentioned a shorted series resistor. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Gennady Lyskin >>>>To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>>>bias current." >>>>Did you mean recessive bias current? >>>> >>>>Gennady Lyskin >>>> >>>>G e n n L a b >>>>http://www.gennlab.com/ >>>>info at gennlab.com >>>>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>>New Zealand >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Ron >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >>>>> >>>>>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>>>>without damaging anything: >>>>> >>>>>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>>>>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>>>>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>>>>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>>>>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>>>>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >>>>> >>>>>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know :-). >>>>> >>>>>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>>>>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >>>>> >>>>>-- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> From: Mercedes Benz >>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>>>>> >>>>>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>>>>> >>>>>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>>>>> >>>>>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks and best regards >>>>>>Nadeem >>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Sep 1 20:18:13 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 19:18:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with TD-500 wiring Message-ID: Hi Rainer, Thanks for your detailed reply, just one question: If i was to bypass the noise filter would I need to twist the red, green and black wires together and connect it to the +ve and also the yellow wire to the +ve terminal and a seperate wire from the ground lug on the stereo body to the -ve terminal of the battery? Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sent: 01/09/2013 15:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with TD-500 wiring Nadeem, your missing the external noise filter that is usually installed on the harness. I'm pretty sure the red, black and green wires go to the noise filter and the deck gets grounded through the case. Get hold of a wiring diagram and this will all make sense. you should be able by-pass the noise filter wiring to get the deck to work. Let me know if you need more help. Cheers, Rainer On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:16:28 +0000, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi everyone, I recently bought a TD-500 for my car which was sold as seen because the seller had kept it stored for 20 odd years but he said it was working when stored. I want to test it by connecting it directly to a 12v battery. The deck came without any fuses but I have ordered a few to connect to the bare wires according to the owner's manual. The manual suggests to connect the yellow wire to the +ve terminal of the battery and the red wire to the ignition (which in this case I presume should also go to the +ve) but there is a also a black wire which I don't know if to connect and where. Also there is a green wire along side the red wire, should I connect it to the -ve or just leave it unconnected. Can someone please help me connect this deck to a battery so I can test if it is working? Below is a link to a photo of my deck showing all the wires. http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/dnice_1/media/image_zps11751884.jpg.html Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. Best regards Nadeem ------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 00:05:33 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1378073133.88843.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Nadeem, freeze cans come with an extension for the nozzle, making it easy to hit the exact spot you want. Try to apply very short spurts. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Mercedes Benz >To: NakTalk >Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:12 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > > >Hi Ron, > >I will try the tapping first and if I can't find the bad component then will go for the freeze spray. I will somehow have to confine the spray to the component being tested without shorting it (which I anticipate would be quite a job). But thanks again for your help, I will report back when I find something. > >Best regards >Nadeem > >Sent from my killer Windows Phone > >________________________________ > From: Ron >Sent: 01/09/2013 16:30 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 > > >  >Obbviously, this will fix the problem, IF one of the caps you replace is at fault >AND you don't insert a new problem while doing it. Otherwise, you'll be right >back where you started, but wiser  :-). >  >-- Ron >  > > >From: Mercedes Benz >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:05 PM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >> >>Hi Norman, >> >>Thanks for your suggestion, I will see if I can replace all the orange caps in the recording circuit. I just finished replacing all the orange caps in the bias circuit, previously the deck wasn't even recording on Ex and SX tapes. >> >>Best regards >>Nadeem >> >> >>Sent from my killer Windows Phone >>From: Ziggo >>Sent: 30/08/2013 19:59 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >> >> >>Hi Nadeem, >> >> >>If it was my deck i would replace all orange caps in the recording circuit. Crackling sound is mostly orange caps problems. Replace them with decent quality ones. >> >> >>Best regards >> >> >>Norman >> >> >> >> >>Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >>Op 30 aug. 2013 om 17:33 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: >> >> >>Hi Norman, >>> >>>No it does not make any difference if Dolby is on or off. All my testing have been with Dolby off and still this noise appears after 5-10 minutes into the recording, play however is fine. There is no noise in the source and this noise also gets recorded onto tape. Hope this gives some clue. >>> >>>Regards >>>Nadeem >>> >>>Sent from my killer  Windows Phone >>>From: Ziggo >>>Sent: 30/08/2013 11:39 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>> >>>Does it make difference if you turn dolby on or off? The orange caps of the dolby circuit are also suspected >>> >>> >>>Norman >>> >>>Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >>> >>>Op 29 aug. 2013 om 23:40 heeft Mercedes Benz het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> >>>Hi everyone, >>>> >>>>Today I replaced the transistor in the bias oscillator circuit but it made no difference at all. There is still crackling noise in the right channel during recording even without any source signal. But one thing I have noticed that the noise only starts 5 to 10 minutes into recording but doesn't appear when the deck is cold. So there is something failing after getting warm. The deck plays well without any noise though. >>>> >>>>Any help will be appreciated. >>>> >>>>Thanks & best regards >>>>Nadeem >>>> >>>>Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>From: Mercedes Benz >>>>Sent: 28/08/2013 23:01 >>>>To: NakTalk >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>> >>>> >>>>I think I celebrated too early as the deck has now developed a new fault. >>>> >>>>Now there is a -20 to -30db crackling noise coming from the right channel while recording even without any source signal. It also doesn't make any difference which tape type is selected. >>>> >>>>Could it be one of the transistors which I bought really cheap from eBay or something else? Could someone please help me fix it? >>>> >>>>Thanks and best regards >>>>Nadeem >>>> >>>> >>>>From: Mercedes Benz >>>>Sent: 27/08/2013 21:07 >>>>To: NakTalk >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Ron, >>>> >>>>Just to update that I un-shorted the 82k resister but it made the recording a bit distorted so I shorted it back again but managed to fix both the problems by adjusting the bias and level following the procedure in the manual. I am happy to report that the recordings are now wonderful on this deck. >>>> >>>>Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Nadeem >>>> >>>>From: Ron >>>>Sent: 27/08/2013 18:46 >>>>To: Gennady Lyskin; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Actually, both (depending on circuit design - I should have said, 'incorrect current'), but >>>>he mentioned a shorted series resistor. >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>From: Gennady Lyskin >>>>>To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:27 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>>>>bias current." >>>>>Did you mean recessive bias current? >>>>> >>>>>Gennady Lyskin >>>>>  >>>>>G e n n L a b >>>>>http://www.gennlab.com/ >>>>>info at gennlab.com >>>>>Tel: +64 21 238 3056 >>>>>New Zealand >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Ron >>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:52 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in biasoscillator LX-5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it... >>>>>> >>>>>>Do the following only if you are very adept with soldering in very tight spots >>>>>>without damaging anything: >>>>>> >>>>>>1. Desolder the hot lead (not the shield) from the erase head. >>>>>>2. Tack-solder a resistor lead to the head, where the wire was. >>>>>>3. Solder the wire previously connected to the head to the other resistor lead. >>>>>>4. Connect a VTVM (must have good response at well over 100KHz) across >>>>>>    the resistor, with VTVM probe to the wire side and VTVM ground to the >>>>>>    head side, making sure nothing is shorting. >>>>>> >>>>>>This is all from memory. If you run into trouble, let us know  :-). >>>>>> >>>>>>Both excessive brightness and low recording level could be caused by excessive >>>>>>bias current. Recheck after you correctly adjust the bias. >>>>>> >>>>>>-- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>From: Mercedes Benz >>>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:36 PM >>>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Having problems after replacing orange caps in bias oscillator LX-5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I recently bought an LX-5 which had a low recording level with lot of distortion in both channels so I replaced both the transistors as well as all the orange caps and one 39 ohm fail safe resistor which was blown in the Bias Oscillator circuit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The good news is that it fixed the distortion problem but I have noticed that the recordings are more bright with emphasis on the high frequencies and less bass. While replacing the caps I noticed that the fail safe resistor R513 (82ohm) had been shorted. I also noticed that the recording level though has increased but still lower by 2 to 3 db than the source (3db lower in left channel and 2db in the right). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The service manual suggests to attach 0.1ohm resistor in series to the erase head to measure the erase current but I don't really know how to do it or where to attach it but I have adjusted the frequency of the oscillator to 105 kHz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Could someone please help me with what could be causing the high frequency dominance as well as the lower recording levels and how to fix it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks and best regards >>>>>>>Nadeem >>>>>>> >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 19:18:13 +0100, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi Rainer, Thanks for your detailed reply, just one question:  If i was to bypass the noise filter would I need to twist the red, green and black wires together and connect it to the +ve and also the yellow wire to the +ve terminal and a seperate wire from the ground lug on the stereo body to the -ve terminal of the battery? Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ------------------------- From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sent: 01/09/2013 15:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with TD-500 wiring Nadeem, your missing the external noise filter that is usually installed on the harness.  I'm pretty sure the red, black and green wires go to the noise filter and the deck gets grounded through the case. Get hold of a wiring diagram and this will all make sense. you should be able by-pass the noise filter wiring to get the deck to work. Let me know if you need more help. Cheers, Rainer   On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:16:28 +0000, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi everyone, I recently bought a TD-500 for my car which was sold as seen because the seller had kept it stored for 20 odd years but he said it was working when stored. I want to test it by connecting it directly to a 12v battery. The deck came without any fuses but I have ordered a few to connect to the bare wires according to the owner's manual. The manual suggests to connect the yellow wire to the +ve terminal of the battery and the red wire to the ignition (which in this case I presume should also go to the +ve) but there is a also a black wire which I don't know if to connect and where. Also there is a green wire along side the red wire, should I connect it to the -ve or just leave it unconnected. Can someone please help me connect this deck to a battery so I can test if it is working? Below is a link to a photo of my deck showing all the wires.   http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/dnice_1/media/image_zps11751884.jpg.html Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 10:16:36 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 01:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1378109796.74341.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Brian,  You need to De-Oxit the small potentiometer on the front panel. Remove the Aluminum panel ( 4 Knobs, three top and three bottom screws off), and disengage the front switch assembly (four black self tapping screws). You should be able to see the small potentiometer sitting with a pcb assembly on this assembly viewing from the back. Give this a squirt of compressed air, a dose of de-oxit and observe. I had a CR7 that also had a wonky bar-graph display response - a squirt of De-Oxit on that pot fixed the problem. Because the azimuth alignment motor has a greater degree of freedom compared to the cam motor, the rate of it developing flat spots are lower. With the panels off, you should be able to see the motor, worm gear, cam and metal linkages all working as you turn the azimuth control knob. Let us know how it goes!  Cheers,  Bala  ________________________________ From: brian pinkerton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 12:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth Hello everyone and I really enjoy listening to all of you friendly people discussing concerns with our Nakamichi decks. Its a great forum and thanks. Just have a quick issue and just want to see if anyone else has ever had this issue. When i m trying to adjust my azimuth knob the indicator on the display isn't stable when turning the display for the left and right doesn't gradually change but it changes the full length segment and doesn't really correspond to small increments like I see proper working ones do on YouTube. What would I start cleaning as I'm sure this motor and components of the azimuth switch need cleaned. What should I not do. Does this motor need the deoxit treatment like the control cam motor gets  when functions start to halt. Thanks ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Mon Sep 2 18:51:30 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:51:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with TD-500 wiring Message-ID: Good news! My TD-500 is fully functional and sounds fantastic connected to a 12v battery and through my headphone amp. I am really glad I bought it. Thanks Rainer for helping me with the wiring. Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sent: 02/09/2013 09:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help with TD-500 wiring connect red and green together to by-pass noise filter (accessory) to +pos , and yellow(battery) to +pos the black just provides ground to the noise filter so you could use that for -neg or just leave it and connect -neg right to the player chassis. Orange is remote turn on for amp and brown is power antenna. This is going from TD-700 wiring diagram which I'm pretty sure is the same. On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 19:18:13 +0100, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi Rainer, Thanks for your detailed reply, just one question: If i was to bypass the noise filter would I need to twist the red, green and black wires together and connect it to the +ve and also the yellow wire to the +ve terminal and a seperate wire from the ground lug on the stereo body to the -ve terminal of the battery? Best regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ------------------------- From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sent: 01/09/2013 15:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with TD-500 wiring Nadeem, your missing the external noise filter that is usually installed on the harness. I'm pretty sure the red, black and green wires go to the noise filter and the deck gets grounded through the case. Get hold of a wiring diagram and this will all make sense. you should be able by-pass the noise filter wiring to get the deck to work. Let me know if you need more help. Cheers, Rainer On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:16:28 +0000, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi everyone, I recently bought a TD-500 for my car which was sold as seen because the seller had kept it stored for 20 odd years but he said it was working when stored. I want to test it by connecting it directly to a 12v battery. The deck came without any fuses but I have ordered a few to connect to the bare wires according to the owner's manual. The manual suggests to connect the yellow wire to the +ve terminal of the battery and the red wire to the ignition (which in this case I presume should also go to the +ve) but there is a also a black wire which I don't know if to connect and where. Also there is a green wire along side the red wire, should I connect it to the -ve or just leave it unconnected. Can someone please help me connect this deck to a battery so I can test if it is working? Below is a link to a photo of my deck showing all the wires. http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/dnice_1/media/image_zps11751884.jpg.html Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. 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URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 22:56:47 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:56:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012131D1-C109-4946-98F6-010AE4D12334@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I bought 600 MK II off of eBay. I have tried to repair tape decks before but 20 years ago and without proper manuals or the patience that comes with age. Hoping this repair goes better. The seller said he replaced the belt, but the deck still wouldn't properly take up tape. The symptoms are that everything looked fine and the deck plays but within seconds, it failed to take up slack and tape began looping out of the rightmost slot on the cassette. I bought the Japanese Nak 600 belts kit from eBay and have done what I could to puzzle out the service manual. I replaced the belt for the counter and the idler tires. Now tapes will last a little longer—sometimes but not always, looping out—but I have also lost fast forward and rewind. One suspicion… the retaining clip on the take up reel is missing. Could this be a problem? Hoping you all can help me complete my System One. Thanks! Kazys From kvarnelis at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 23:05:51 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:05:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 610 control preamp manual or advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C64D091-9B92-46A8-89A9-9774B1A25077@gmail.com> Hi again everyone. Thought that two threads for two distinct questions would be better. I haven't found a user manual for the 610 control preamp online. Anybody have a lead? I have the service manual and brochure. Some questions… How should I best integrate it into my System One? Connect the 620's preamp out or tuner out to the 610? It seems that with my speakers fed by the monitor output inserting headphones doesn't kill the output. I suppose I can shut off the amp, but I was hoping for a cleaner solution. Anyone have a solution to those awful spring-clip speaker terminals? Perhaps a terminal replacement to binding posts? Has anyone built a box that would simulate the action of the RM-610? I wonder how the pinouts on the DIN would work? Perhaps there is something in the service manual on that one… Thanks! Kazys From luis at peromarta.org Mon Sep 2 23:49:24 2013 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:49:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 610 control preamp manual or advice? In-Reply-To: <4C64D091-9B92-46A8-89A9-9774B1A25077@gmail.com> References: <4C64D091-9B92-46A8-89A9-9774B1A25077@gmail.com> Message-ID: <469E87AE-8E68-4569-BBFC-00EABE2CF533@peromarta.org> Oops. Sorry, you already had it … I have no user's manual. LP. El 02/09/2013, a las 23:05, Kazys Varnelis escribió: > Hi again everyone. Thought that two threads for two distinct questions would be better. > > I haven't found a user manual for the 610 control preamp online. Anybody have a lead? I have the service manual and brochure. > > Some questions… > > How should I best integrate it into my System One? Connect the 620's preamp out or tuner out to the 610? > > It seems that with my speakers fed by the monitor output inserting headphones doesn't kill the output. I suppose I can shut off the amp, but I was hoping for a cleaner solution. > > Anyone have a solution to those awful spring-clip speaker terminals? Perhaps a terminal replacement to binding posts? > > Has anyone built a box that would simulate the action of the RM-610? I wonder how the pinouts on the DIN would work? Perhaps there is something in the service manual on that one… > > Thanks! > > Kazys > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dovhilton at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 01:31:03 2013 From: dovhilton at gmail.com (David Hilton) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:31:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 610 control preamp manual or advice? In-Reply-To: <4C64D091-9B92-46A8-89A9-9774B1A25077@gmail.com> References: <4C64D091-9B92-46A8-89A9-9774B1A25077@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hope this helps David Hilton On 3 September 2013 07:05, Kazys Varnelis wrote: > Hi again everyone. Thought that two threads for two distinct questions > would be better. > > I haven't found a user manual for the 610 control preamp online. Anybody > have a lead? I have the service manual and brochure. > > Some questions… > > How should I best integrate it into my System One? Connect the 620's > preamp out or tuner out to the 610? > > It seems that with my speakers fed by the monitor output inserting > headphones doesn't kill the output. I suppose I can shut off the amp, but I > was hoping for a cleaner solution. > > Anyone have a solution to those awful spring-clip speaker terminals? > Perhaps a terminal replacement to binding posts? > > Has anyone built a box that would simulate the action of the RM-610? I > wonder how the pinouts on the DIN would work? Perhaps there is something in > the service manual on that one… > > Thanks! > > Kazys > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- David Hilton 104/1 Boomerang Place Woolloomooloo Sydney NSW 2011 Tel (02) 9 360 7268 H Mbl 04214 72692 W (02) 9267 2477 WFax (02) 9264 8871 WorkEmail david at greatsynagogue.org.au Skype dovhilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Connect the 620's preamp out or tuner out to the 610? > > It seems that with my speakers fed by the monitor output inserting headphones doesn't kill the output. I suppose I can shut off the amp, but I was hoping for a cleaner solution. > > Anyone have a solution to those awful spring-clip speaker terminals? Perhaps a terminal replacement to binding posts? > > Has anyone built a box that would simulate the action of the RM-610? I wonder how the pinouts on the DIN would work? Perhaps there is something in the service manual on that one… > > Thanks! > > Kazys > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have tried to repair tape decks before but 20 years ago and without proper manuals or the patience that comes with age. Hoping this repair goes better. The seller said he replaced the belt, but the deck still wouldn't properly take up tape. The symptoms are that everything looked fine and the deck plays but within seconds, it failed to take up slack and tape began looping out of the rightmost slot on the cassette. I bought the Japanese Nak 600 belts kit from eBay and have done what I could to puzzle out the service manual. I replaced the belt for the counter and the idler tires. Now tapes will last a little longer—sometimes but not always, looping out—but I have also lost fast forward and rewind. One suspicion… the retaining clip on the take up reel is missing. Could this be a problem? Hoping you all can help me complete my System One. Thanks! Kazys ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Sep 3 10:39:53 2013 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:39:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cassette bay light bulb for Dragon Message-ID: Hi Dimitri, Have a look on eBay and search for "14v 50mA Lamp" I am sure I saw one when I was looking to replace the lamp on my LX-5. Regards Nadeem Sent from my killer Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Dimitri Androutsos Sent: 02/09/2013 20:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cassette bay light bulb for Dragon Hi guys, Can you tell me where I Can find a bulb replacement for the cassette bay of the Dragon? It's the bulb a the top of the door that illuminates. Manual says 14v 50mA.....can someone tell me where to find? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 8 10:04:20 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 01:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! In-Reply-To: <2094848776.2590782.1378571456532.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1848486050.2590359.1378569989565.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2094848776.2590782.1378571456532.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1378627460.20609.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Martin,  You have to have a ZXL in the house! The first order of business would be to get the distortion of the playback sorted out. Because the azimuth and auto-calibration relies on perfect playback, this needs to be looked at. Its good to have the Orange caps ticked off the list.  Removed the backup batteries at this point. They are used for retaining the ABCD tape setting memories. The auto-calibration system memory is in ROM. You can reset the calibration system by pressing all four A, B, C and D buttons together. However, this isn't going to change anything at the moment. Are you able to put in a source in and get it back out through the line-out clearly? If yes, then you got a portion of the signal path checked out. Next, make sure that all the card contacts on the playback board are clean and the DC offset on the board is adjusted correctly ( Step 2 on Section 6.2). Powering up the deck from cold, I assume you are unable to change the EQ 70/120 or the NR selectors. But once you have got all of the above working, what happens then? Do you still have distortion on the left channel? If yes, then a little troubleshooting is in order although this is easy.  I am cross posting this to Naktalk as well so that whatever the resolution it gets added for future reference.  It seems to be a troublesome weeks for left channel - had a really noise left channel on my McIntosh tube power amp that I eventually traced to a dirty tube socket! Two days but at least it all worked out.  Cheers,  Bala    ________________________________ From: "martinwh at comcast.net" To: 1000zxl at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 2:30 AM Subject: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help!   Hello everyone, It has been a while since I have posted (the new site looks good so far?).  Several years ago I had a ZXL that had a few issues.  With the help of this site, and a little luck, I was able to get it working exceptionally well. Unfortunately, due to expenses (3 kids in college) I had to let it go a few years back (although I now have a nice Dragon!).  Now I have come across a second ZXL, it is in great shape (maybe not quite as nice as the first one) but it also has some issues. As received, it had some serious distortion in the left channel when playing tapes.  It also seems to be locked up as far as the bias and azimuth. The auto azimuth indicator is stuck on the RH light and no other lights are lit. The EQ is on 120. The tape memory number 3 is flashing and the manual set light is on.  I made sure the back-up batteries were good but number 3 continues to blink. The deck does not seem to respond to any of the bottom knobs.  When changing EQ, the indicator light stays on 120 and the sound does not change.  Dolby same thing.  Even the tone switch does not change anything. When I try to run the auto azimuth routine.  The auto calibration azimuth button lights up solid (no flashing) but indicator lights on top do not change.  It does not run the routine but the tape does record the tone.  Lights as described above do not change. It is as if the deck is locked up in auto azimuth calibration mode? It does play though (with distortion). Another strange issue I noticed is when I switch it to source, I get a solid tone no matter what is connected to the input.  Again, a sign that it is stuck in auto azimuth mode? What I have done so far. Basic cleaning and lubrication of the transport.  It was in pretty good shape already.  De-magnified the transport. Like my first deck, I decided to replace all the orange caps.  I also replaced all the electrolytic caps (I only replaced the power supply ones on my other).  Yes all of them (except for a couple I am still waiting for)!  Over 250 caps!  I also cleaned all the pots and sliders Except that playback was a little better, no other issues were effected.  I do notice the the #3 light is on solid sometimes but flashes most the time (this may have been the same before).  I still have a few caps to replace in the FL indicator PSB (which I assume will not have an audio effect?) and the MIC PSB (which may have effect on sound through output volume?). On my other deck I had to replace the azimuth adjuster belt (it had taken a set).  On that deck, with the belt off, when you ran the auto azimuth routine the azimuth motor would run constant (trying to adjust the azimuth).  This deck will not do that.  The motor does not run.  I removed the motor and connected it directly to a DC source and it ran fine.  The arm inside of the azimuth gear box was all the way to one side, so I centered it.  Again, once all back together there was no change. So, l am hoping this is a trail some of you have already been on?  Is there a way to reset the computer on this guy?  You would think removing the batteries, and unplugging the deck for a few minutes would zero it out, but this has no effect. Although I greatly enjoy the playback performance on my Dragon, I do not think it records quite as well as my original ZXL.  I have many tapes recorded from that deck and they are all exceptional.  Any help would be appreciated. Martin __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 18:58:02 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (kazys varnelis) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 12:58:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up In-Reply-To: <1378160772.23474.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <012131D1-C109-4946-98F6-010AE4D12334@gmail.com> <1378160772.23474.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Thomas. So is there anywhere I can get the retaining clip? I'd hate to think the deck was toast because of this! On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 6:26 PM, thomas wrote: > Yes . The reel has a friction clutch ( felt disc ) and triangle shaped > springs for tension that allows for torque adjustment. The clip is > necessary to hold everything together properly. Without the proper tension > it will slip and spill the tape. Thomas > > > *From:* Kazys Varnelis > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, September 2, 2013 4:56 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up > > Hi everyone, > > I bought 600 MK II off of eBay. I have tried to repair tape decks before > but 20 years ago and without proper manuals or the patience that comes with > age. Hoping this repair goes better. > > The seller said he replaced the belt, but the deck still wouldn't properly > take up tape. The symptoms are that everything looked fine and the deck > plays but within seconds, it failed to take up slack and tape began looping > out of the rightmost slot on the cassette. > > I bought the Japanese Nak 600 belts kit from eBay and have done what I > could to puzzle out the service manual. > > I replaced the belt for the counter and the idler tires. Now tapes will > last a little longer—sometimes but not always, looping out—but I have also > lost fast forward and rewind. > > One suspicion… the retaining clip on the take up reel is missing. Could > this be a problem? > > Hoping you all can help me complete my System One. > > Thanks! > > Kazys > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Mon Sep 9 02:50:45 2013 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 17:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up In-Reply-To: <1378661741.26661.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <012131D1-C109-4946-98F6-010AE4D12334@gmail.com> <1378160772.23474.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1378661741.26661.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1378687845.13561.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>   The kit lists the sizes ...so the smallest one might fit. There is a tiny clear plastic washer behind the clip that you can make yourself out of some thin clear plastic packaging you have around the house. Another place to find small hardware is at hobby shops ( radio control cars and planes etc.) and model train stores.    Thomas.  ________________________________ From: kazys varnelis To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up Is it called an e-clip? Would one from this kit work? http://www.amazon.com/MAXCRAFT-7703-E-Clip-Assortment-300-Piece/dp/B0037UPC80/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378660220&sr=8-1&keywords=e-clip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 9 14:04:59 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 05:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! In-Reply-To: References: <1378627460.20609.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1378728299.14369.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Martin,  Do the flashing C light and the Eq indicator on the ABLE section come on the moment you turn the deck on? Seems to me like the deck is trying to kick into auto-cal straightaway and the 400Hz tone is fed into the Record Dolby Board. If that's the case, you may have a one (or more) logic gate ICs on the ABLE board failing, which sends the showing the crazy indicators and even inhibiting a simple pass through of source signal. I have seen this parts fail a few times although the microprocessor itself is pretty robust. I have yet to see that particular processor - in fact any processor fail on a tape deck. The logic gates, yes.  But first, let us ascertain that the deck does indeed go into that mode soon after you turn on.  Cheers,  Bala  ________________________________ From: "martinwh at comcast.net" To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 8:08 AM Subject: RE: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help!    Thanks for the response Bala! I removed the backup batteries.  I pressed all 4 of the memory buttons at the same time.  No change.  C is still flashing and the manual setting button is still on.  The indicator is still on RH and EQ at 120.  No other lights. I tried resetting with power on and off and unplugged and plugged.  I could get no reset of the calibration system and it is still locked up. I can get no source to go through the unit to the output or to the HP jack.  All I get is what sounds like a constant 400hz calibration signal.  When set to tape, and recording, I can adjust the level of this signal with the line in sliders.  I can replay this signal back on the tape. When set to source, I just get a solid 400hz signal weather I have anything plugged into line in or not. Still perplexed but I will prevail! Martin --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi Martin,  You have to have a ZXL in the house! The first order of business would be to get the distortion of the playback sorted out. Because the azimuth and auto-calibration relies on perfect playback, this needs to be looked at. Its good to have the Orange caps ticked off the list.  Removed the backup batteries at this point. They are used for retaining the ABCD tape setting memories. The auto-calibration system memory is in ROM. You can reset the calibration system by pressing all four A, B, C and D buttons together. However, this isn't going to change anything at the moment. Are you able to put in a source in and get it back out through the line-out clearly? If yes, then you got a portion of the signal path checked out. Next, make sure that all the card contacts on the playback board are clean and the DC offset on the board is adjusted correctly ( Step 2 on Section 6.2). Powering up the deck from cold, I assume you are unable to change the EQ 70/120 or the NR selectors. But once you have got all of the above working, what happens then? Do you still have distortion on the left channel? If yes, then a little troubleshooting is in order although this is easy.  I am cross posting this to Naktalk as well so that whatever the resolution it gets added for future reference.  It seems to be a troublesome weeks for left channel - had a really noise left channel on my McIntosh tube power amp that I eventually traced to a dirty tube socket! Two days but at least it all worked out.  Cheers,  Bala    ________________________________ From: "martinwh at ..." To: 1000zxl at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 2:30 AM Subject: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help!   Hello everyone, It has been a while since I have posted (the new site looks good so far?).  Several years ago I had a ZXL that had a few issues.  With the help of this site, and a little luck, I was able to get it working exceptionally well. Unfortunately, due to expenses (3 kids in college) I had to let it go a few years back (although I now have a nice Dragon!).  Now I have come across a second ZXL, it is in great shape (maybe not quite as nice as the first one) but it also has some issues. As received, it had some serious distortion in the left channel when playing tapes.  It also seems to be locked up as far as the bias and azimuth. The auto azimuth indicator is stuck on the RH light and no other lights are lit. The EQ is on 120. The tape memory number 3 is flashing and the manual set light is on.  I made sure the back-up batteries were good but number 3 continues to blink. The deck does not seem to respond to any of the bottom knobs.  When changing EQ, the indicator light stays on 120 and the sound does not change.  Dolby same thing.  Even the tone switch does not change anything. When I try to run the auto azimuth routine.  The auto calibration azimuth button lights up solid (no flashing) but indicator lights on top do not change.  It does not run the routine but the tape does record the tone.  Lights as described above do not change. It is as if the deck is locked up in auto azimuth calibration mode? It does play though (with distortion). Another strange issue I noticed is when I switch it to source, I get a solid tone no matter what is connected to the input.  Again, a sign that it is stuck in auto azimuth mode? What I have done so far. Basic cleaning and lubrication of the transport.  It was in pretty good shape already.  De-magnified the transport. Like my first deck, I decided to replace all the orange caps.  I also replaced all the electrolytic caps (I only replaced the power supply ones on my other).  Yes all of them (except for a couple I am still waiting for)!  Over 250 caps!  I also cleaned all the pots and sliders Except that playback was a little better, no other issues were effected.  I do notice the the #3 light is on solid sometimes but flashes most the time (this may have been the same before).  I still have a few caps to replace in the FL indicator PSB (which I assume will not have an audio effect?) and the MIC PSB (which may have effect on sound through output volume?). On my other deck I had to replace the azimuth adjuster belt (it had taken a set).  On that deck, with the belt off, when you ran the auto azimuth routine the azimuth motor would run constant (trying to adjust the azimuth).  This deck will not do that.  The motor does not run.  I removed the motor and connected it directly to a DC source and it ran fine.  The arm inside of the azimuth gear box was all the way to one side, so I centered it.  Again, once all back together there was no change. So, l am hoping this is a trail some of you have already been on?  Is there a way to reset the computer on this guy?  You would think removing the batteries, and unplugging the deck for a few minutes would zero it out, but this has no effect. Although I greatly enjoy the playback performance on my Dragon, I do not think it records quite as well as my original ZXL.  I have many tapes recorded from that deck and they are all exceptional.  Any help would be appreciated. Martin __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (3) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 19:08:58 2013 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up In-Reply-To: References: <012131D1-C109-4946-98F6-010AE4D12334@gmail.com> <1378160772.23474.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1378832938.72795.YahooMailNeo@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I did some more checking on e clips and they also make metric ones...so...that's the kind that are probably used in the 600. Your best bet might be to take the deck to a hobby shop and ask the guy to find one the exact size to fit it.  Besides ...what would you do with the other 299 ?    Thomas. ________________________________ From: kazys varnelis To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up Is it called an e-clip? Would one from this kit work? http://www.amazon.com/MAXCRAFT-7703-E-Clip-Assortment-300-Piece/dp/B0037UPC80/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378660220&sr=8-1&keywords=e-clip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 20:37:14 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:37:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up In-Reply-To: <1378832938.72795.YahooMailNeo@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <012131D1-C109-4946-98F6-010AE4D12334@gmail.com> <1378160772.23474.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1378832938.72795.YahooMailNeo@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82C14D54-5359-40A2-92A3-BF5F796FBCE9@gmail.com> Ugh. Clips on the way today in the mail. Too big a hit to return. At that size it will probably work anyway. I'll find out tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:08 PM, thomas wrote: > I did some more checking on e clips and they also make metric ones...so...that's the kind that are probably used in the 600. Your best bet might be to take the deck to a hobby shop and ask the guy to find one the exact size to fit it. Besides ...what would you do with the other 299 ? Thomas. > > From: kazys varnelis > To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up > > Is it called an e-clip? Would one from this kit work? > > http://www.amazon.com/MAXCRAFT-7703-E-Clip-Assortment-300-Piece/dp/B0037UPC80/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378660220&sr=8-1&keywords=e-clip > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinker at thothut.com Wed Sep 11 04:51:54 2013 From: thinker at thothut.com (Rufus T. Firefly) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:51:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naka-junk Message-ID: <522FDACA.1060208@thothut.com> hi all, the studio i work at is getting ready to dump a bunch of stuff. i think they got some parts for 600's and 500's, pcbs and motors and heads and other metal bits. would it be worth listing the stuff on ebay or just put it in the bin? i think the stuff is from dead decks picked over to keep other decks going. but we dont use cassete much anymore so i think they want the space for a new adr setup. -- Rufus T. Firefly You can leave in a taxi. If that's too soon, you can leave in a minute and a huff. You know, you haven't stopped talking since I came here? You must have been vaccinated with a phonograph needle. From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Wed Sep 11 16:20:34 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: RES: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS ! In-Reply-To: <7C171498-D5B3-46EC-BD90-EAED83ABF1ED@yahoo.com> References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com><51584EC1-814C-427D-A9E9-62DF56595401@yahoo.com><1347887832.97197.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7C171498-D5B3-46EC-BD90-EAED83ABF1ED@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB089BC7@STVTEX05> Hi guys, I was looking up for Dragons on eBay when I came to a posting in which the seller said that the deck (according to the original owner) had been bought without the covers for the adjustment buttons on the right side of the play, ff and rw buttons. Could that be true? Is my assessment correct? Here´s the ad´s number: 181211464189 Thank you, Rodrigo Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Bala Ganesh Enviada em: terça-feira, 18 de setembro de 2012 04:46 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS ! Now THATS a great one! I used to have a Sony Walkman that had a White die cart metal body. Can't remember the model number but it had a gorgeous sound. My last Walkman was a Aiwa JX749 that played all my Bryan Adams tapes made on my 670Zx and it sounded pretty good. More ideas please gents.... Sent from my iPad On 18 Sep, 2012, at 9:22 AM, David Povelsen > wrote: How about, since your can't take your nak out and about like a walkman or similar. What are some your favourite personal casette players to use? Which ones work better with a nak created tape? Yours David On 17/09/2012, at 11:17 PM, LENA WONG wrote: Bala: If not Naks, what do you want to talk about :O)) Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 7:26:28 AM Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS ! Scott, It's surprising how the ZXL has gone from a maligned monster to a tour de force. However, given the time period in which the ZXL came, I have to admit that it has certain limitations that are inherent in its DNA. Later decks were engineered to address these as cassette technology evolved. While we might try to address some of these issues through upgrades and mods, the design of the deck and the rest of its parts still very much define the machine itself. The ZXL, for what it is, will be loved by some, regarded by many and loathed by a few. But it occupies a place in the pantheon of Naks as does all other decks Nak ever produced. My wife asked me over tea, what is that one favorite deck in my collection. Without thinking twice, I gave my answer which surprised her. While I maintain an almost complete collection of Naks ( having bought another Limited), my most favourite deck is not a Nak. It does not have the strengths that the various Naks have. But it's the one deck I return to, whose music soothes me through live's toughest moments. It does not have auto azimuth control, Does not flip tapes, and doesn't have rumbling lows or sweet highs. But it has been with me since I was two years old and in my eyes is my king. Once again I say, to all of us our decks are kings in our eyes. Let's talk something else. Sent from my iPad On 17 Sep, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Garner, Scott H" > wrote: > Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Marrs > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS ! > > 9-15-12 > > Hello All, > > The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models. > > The LX-5 is the most dependable. > > The CR-7A is trouble prone. 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URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Wed Sep 11 16:35:09 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:35:09 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Naka-junk In-Reply-To: <522FDACA.1060208@thothut.com> References: <522FDACA.1060208@thothut.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB089BF1@STVTEX05> Hi Rufus, In my humble opinion I´d probably think that offering these parts on eBay or any other market would be interesting. I am not an eBay seller so I couldn´t give you my opinion from a merchant´s perspective. Maybe someone else on Naktalks can add to my comments. I personally would be interested in a Nak 600 clean faceplate if that ever existed in a recording studio... Best regards, Rodrigo -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Rufus T. Firefly Enviada em: terça-feira, 10 de setembro de 2013 23:52 Para: naktalk at naks.com Assunto: [naktalk] Naka-junk hi all, the studio i work at is getting ready to dump a bunch of stuff. i think they got some parts for 600's and 500's, pcbs and motors and heads and other metal bits. would it be worth listing the stuff on ebay or just put it in the bin? i think the stuff is from dead decks picked over to keep other decks going. but we dont use cassete much anymore so i think they want the space for a new adr setup. -- Rufus T. Firefly You can leave in a taxi. If that's too soon, you can leave in a minute and a huff. You know, you haven't stopped talking since I came here? 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We hereby inform that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without sender prior consent is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify sender and delete this message. ________________________________ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 01:40:24 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! In-Reply-To: <1378940679.42098.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4E60E937-B5AA-4D8F-9DB5-4B4DEC26DB20@gmail.com> <1378940679.42098.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1378942824.51500.YahooMailNeo@web163805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: "1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com" <1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! Hi Martin,  I wouldn't advice changing the transistors just yet. First thing first, check your power rails. Have you got the following power:  PC3 : 5V PC2: 10V PL2 : +12V PL6: -12V  You could have a possibility of the deck going into auto-calibration mode bypassing the auto-azimuth. When it does that, the auto-azimuth motor is not going to run. Can you disconnect CN17 on CPU board B, then power up? This is the bottom board on the two board 'sandwich' which is at the top of the deck. CN15 connects the RUN, STOP, A,B,C and D preset buttons. I do not think the actual buttons are shot but it pays to tick this off the list. If you disconnect and the deck still does does this, then there's trouble with one or more logic gate ICs. Next is to check the voltage levels at BL9 and BL11 on the CPU Board. These two send Run and Azimuth commands respectively. Flip the deck on it's side so that you can probe the bottom logic board. IC507 combines the RUN or AZIMUTH signals with the transport control (REC / PLAY) so that hitting that magic combination sets off the Auto-Calibration. You need to check the voltage levels at pins 3 and 4 to see what they are.  The 70u and 120u lights is controlled through the RAMM board. It could be a different issue altogether.  The fact that the memory light blinks and that the deck tries to go into Auto-Calibration means that the microprocessor itself works. But one or perhaps more peripheral chips are shot and this causes mayhem. At this stage, my suggestion is to arrest the problem and get the auto-cal to behave itself so that you can get control over the deck. Because with that over-riding, as soon as you turn the machine on, it's not going to allow you to do anything - even monitor your source inputs. Once that is stopped, it should then release the signal path to allow source to come back into the input. That should also give you a ability to playback. Once you've got playback, then you can start working on the auto-azimuth which relies on accurate playback.  Make sure all the connectors are plugged in correctly, re-seat all the boards - including the RAMM board. Check at all the wire-wrap connections are intact and nothing is broken. Make sure nothing it shorting any of the pins or that the connectors are plugged wrongly. I still remember my first 1000ZXL which wouldn't even fully power up. Turned out, a pest got into the FL indicator assembly and shorted the power, taking out all the power regulators. Sometimes, its the simple things (or series of it) that can cause the greatest damage.  Kind Regards,  Bala  ________________________________ From: "martinwh at comcast.net" To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:31 PM Subject: RE: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help!   Yes, Bala your description is correct.  The Able system shows the RH and 120 light as soon as you turn on the deck.  The C light and manual light also come on.  The C light flashes if batteries are out. I was also thinking the relays may need replaced.  I have done this on many of my older equipment.  I may need help with a source for these?  a member at tapeheads recommended me replace the azimuth motor driver transistors Q538, Q539. Thanks!  Martin   --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello Martin, Another point to look for inside the 1000zxl are the relais.  Best regards, Norman Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 9 sep. 2013 om 14:04 heeft Bala Ganesh Chandra het volgende geschreven:   >HI Martin,  > > >Do the flashing C light and the Eq indicator on the ABLE section come on the moment you turn the deck on? Seems to me like the deck is trying to kick into auto-cal straightaway and the 400Hz tone is fed into the Record Dolby Board. If that's the case, you may have a one (or more) logic gate ICs on the ABLE board failing, which sends the showing the crazy indicators and even inhibiting a simple pass through of source signal. I have seen this parts fail a few times although the microprocessor itself is pretty robust. I have yet to see that particular processor - in fact any processor fail on a tape deck. The logic gates, yes.  > > >But first, let us ascertain that the deck does indeed go into that mode soon after you turn on.  > > >Cheers,  >Bala  > > > >________________________________ > From: "martinwh at ..." >To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 8:08 AM >Subject: RE: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! > > > >  > Thanks for the response Bala! > >I removed the backup batteries.  I pressed all 4 of the memory buttons at the same time.  No change.  C is still flashing and the manual setting button is still on.  The indicator is still on RH and EQ at 120.  No other lights. > >I tried resetting with power on and off and unplugged and plugged.  I could get no reset of the calibration system and it is still locked up. > >I can get no source to go through the unit to the output or to the HP jack.  All I get is what sounds like a constant 400hz calibration signal.  When set to tape, and recording, I can adjust the level of this signal with the line in sliders.  I can replay this signal back on the tape. > >When set to source, I just get a solid 400hz signal weather I have anything plugged into line in or not. > >Still perplexed but I will prevail! > >Martin > > > > >>--- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >>Hi Martin,  >> >> >>You have to have a ZXL in the house! The first order of business would be to get the distortion of the playback sorted out. Because the azimuth and auto-calibration relies on perfect playback, this needs to be looked at. Its good to have the Orange caps ticked off the list.  >> >> >>Removed the backup batteries at this point. They are used for retaining the ABCD tape setting memories. The auto-calibration system memory is in ROM. You can reset the calibration system by pressing all four A, B, C and D buttons together. However, this isn't going to change anything at the moment. Are you able to put in a source in and get it back out through the line-out clearly? If yes, then you got a portion of the signal path checked out. Next, make sure that all the card contacts on the playback board are clean and the DC offset on the board is adjusted correctly ( Step 2 on Section 6.2). >> >> >>Powering up the deck from cold, I assume you are unable to change the EQ 70/120 or the NR selectors. But once you have got all of the above working, what happens then? Do you still have distortion on the left channel? If yes, then a little troubleshooting is in order although this is easy.  >> >> >>I am cross posting this to Naktalk as well so that whatever the resolution it gets added for future reference.  >> >> >>It seems to be a troublesome weeks for left channel - had a really noise left channel on my McIntosh tube power amp that I eventually traced to a dirty tube socket! Two days but at least it all worked out.  >> >> >>Cheers,  >>Bala    >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: "martinwh at ..." >>To: 1000zxl at yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 2:30 AM >>Subject: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! >> >> >> >>  >>Hello everyone, >> >>It has been a while since I have posted (the new site looks good so far?).  Several years ago I had a ZXL that had a few issues.  With the help of this site, and a little luck, I was able to get it working exceptionally well. Unfortunately, due to expenses (3 kids in college) I had to let it go a few years back (although I now have a nice Dragon!).  Now I have come across a second ZXL, it is in great shape (maybe not quite as nice as the first one) but it also has some issues. >> >>As received, it had some serious distortion in the left channel when playing tapes.  It also seems to be locked up as far as the bias and azimuth. The auto azimuth indicator is stuck on the RH light and no other lights are lit. The EQ is on 120. The tape memory number 3 is flashing and the manual set light is on.  I made sure the back-up batteries were good but number 3 continues to blink. >> >>The deck does not seem to respond to any of the bottom knobs.  When changing EQ, the indicator light stays on 120 and the sound does not change.  Dolby same thing.  Even the tone switch does not change anything. >> >>When I try to run the auto azimuth routine.  The auto calibration azimuth button lights up solid (no flashing) but indicator lights on top do not change.  It does not run the routine but the tape does record the tone.  Lights as described above do not change. >> >>It is as if the deck is locked up in auto azimuth calibration mode? It does play though (with distortion). >> >>Another strange issue I noticed is when I switch it to source, I get a solid tone no matter what is connected to the input.  Again, a sign that it is stuck in auto azimuth mode? >> >>What I have done so far. >> >>Basic cleaning and lubrication of the transport.  It was in pretty good shape already.  De-magnified the transport. >> >>Like my first deck, I decided to replace all the orange caps.  I also replaced all the electrolytic caps (I only replaced the power supply ones on my other).  Yes all of them (except for a couple I am still waiting for)!  Over 250 caps!  I also cleaned all the pots and sliders >> >>Except that playback was a little better, no other issues were effected.  I do notice the the #3 light is on solid sometimes but flashes most the time (this may have been the same before).  I still have a few caps to replace in the FL indicator PSB (which I assume will not have an audio effect?) and the MIC PSB (which may have effect on sound through output volume?). >> >>On my other deck I had to replace the azimuth adjuster belt (it had taken a set).  On that deck, with the belt off, when you ran the auto azimuth routine the azimuth motor would run constant (trying to adjust the azimuth).  This deck will not do that.  The motor does not run.  I removed the motor and connected it directly to a DC source and it ran fine.  The arm inside of the azimuth gear box was all the way to one side, so I centered it.  Again, once all back together there was no change. >> >>So, l am hoping this is a trail some of you have already been on?  Is there a way to reset the computer on this guy?  You would think removing the batteries, and unplugging the deck for a few minutes would zero it out, but this has no effect. >> >>Although I greatly enjoy the playback performance on my Dragon, I do not think it records quite as well as my original ZXL.  I have many tapes recorded from that deck and they are all exceptional.  >> >>Any help would be appreciated. >> >>Martin >> >> >> > > __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 02:49:41 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:49:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up In-Reply-To: <1378832938.72795.YahooMailNeo@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <012131D1-C109-4946-98F6-010AE4D12334@gmail.com> <1378160772.23474.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1378832938.72795.YahooMailNeo@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013CFDFE-B994-4683-A3DD-22238899B788@gmail.com> Good news, bad news. I got my e-clips today and I managed to put one on the spindle. After initial trouble, I managed to jiggle the spindle a little and now the deck is playing. The bad news is that while the rewind and fast forward functions appear to work with no tape inserted, adding the tape seems to prevent both from working. What gives? Sent from my iPad On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:08 PM, thomas wrote: > I did some more checking on e clips and they also make metric ones...so...that's the kind that are probably used in the 600. Your best bet might be to take the deck to a hobby shop and ask the guy to find one the exact size to fit it. Besides ...what would you do with the other 299 ? Thomas. > > From: kazys varnelis > To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up > > Is it called an e-clip? Would one from this kit work? > > http://www.amazon.com/MAXCRAFT-7703-E-Clip-Assortment-300-Piece/dp/B0037UPC80/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378660220&sr=8-1&keywords=e-clip > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 06:01:35 2013 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up In-Reply-To: <013CFDFE-B994-4683-A3DD-22238899B788@gmail.com> References: <012131D1-C109-4946-98F6-010AE4D12334@gmail.com> <1378160772.23474.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1378832938.72795.YahooMailNeo@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <013CFDFE-B994-4683-A3DD-22238899B788@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1378958495.87894.YahooMailNeo@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cheer up.... you're making progress. Did you replace the main drive belt ? Loss of FF / RW is a classic case of a loose drive belt not making good contact with the idler pulley which rides on the back side of the belt. Other things can affect it also like motor bearings needing a drop of oil and the idler pulley shaft also needing oil....but it's usually a loose or worn out drive belt. Test the reel drive torque by grabbing one of the hubs when in FF or RW without a tape in it and see how powerful it is before it slips. I'd offer to fix the transport for free ( done it many times )   BUT ...I wouldn't want to deprive you of the fun of fixing it yourself... " The Nakamichi Experience "  Just keep at it....we all learned this way. How does it sound playing tapes ?  I love the sound quality of the 600's.    Thomas. ________________________________ From: Kazys Varnelis To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up Good news, bad news. I got my e-clips today and I managed to put one on the spindle. After initial trouble, I managed to jiggle the spindle a little and now the deck is playing. The bad news is that while the rewind and fast forward functions appear to work with no tape inserted, adding the tape seems to prevent both from working. What gives?  Sent from my iPad On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:08 PM, thomas wrote: I did some more checking on e clips and they also make metric ones...so...that's the kind that are probably used in the 600. Your best bet might be to take the deck to a hobby shop and ask the guy to find one the exact size to fit it.  Besides ...what would you do with the other 299 ?    Thomas. > > > > >________________________________ >From: kazys varnelis >To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:11 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up > > > >Is it called an e-clip? Would one from this kit work? > >http://www.amazon.com/MAXCRAFT-7703-E-Clip-Assortment-300-Piece/dp/B0037UPC80/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378660220&sr=8-1&keywords=e-clip > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvarnelis at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 15:08:19 2013 From: kvarnelis at gmail.com (Kazys Varnelis) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:08:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up In-Reply-To: <1378958495.87894.YahooMailNeo@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <012131D1-C109-4946-98F6-010AE4D12334@gmail.com> <1378160772.23474.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1378832938.72795.YahooMailNeo@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <013CFDFE-B994-4683-A3DD-22238899B788@gmail.com> <1378958495.87894.YahooMailNeo@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13CF8DD2-426F-450C-A9F8-A3F29786A72E@gmail.com> The previous owner said he replaced the drive belt. I imagine that he used a rubber band. I'm finding this a difficult process since I can't make out how to replace the belts from the service manual. One thing that makes me most unhappy is that the board that plugs into the main board to provide the signal has been glued in place with a heat gun. Although I can remove the cassette module to a degree, I can't remove it completely from the deck. What a headache. Is there an easy way to get access to the main drive belt? I have gotten as far as taking the cassette lid and case assembly off and can remove the whole module from the deck, but hadn't gone further. Kazys On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:01 AM, thomas wrote: > > Cheer up.... you're making progress. Did you replace the main drive belt ? Loss of FF / RW is a classic case of a loose drive belt not making good contact with the idler pulley which rides on the back side of the belt. Other things can affect it also like motor bearings needing a drop of oil and the idler pulley shaft also needing oil....but it's usually a loose or worn out drive belt. Test the reel drive torque by grabbing one of the hubs when in FF or RW without a tape in it and see how powerful it is before it slips. I'd offer to fix the transport for free ( done it many times ) BUT ...I wouldn't want to deprive you of the fun of fixing it yourself... " The Nakamichi Experience " Just keep at it....we all learned this way. How does it sound playing tapes ? I love the sound quality of the 600's. Thomas. > From: Kazys Varnelis > To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up > > Good news, bad news. I got my e-clips today and I managed to put one on the spindle. After initial trouble, I managed to jiggle the spindle a little and now the deck is playing. > > The bad news is that while the rewind and fast forward functions appear to work with no tape inserted, adding the tape seems to prevent both from working. What gives? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:08 PM, thomas wrote: > >> I did some more checking on e clips and they also make metric ones...so...that's the kind that are probably used in the 600. Your best bet might be to take the deck to a hobby shop and ask the guy to find one the exact size to fit it. Besides ...what would you do with the other 299 ? Thomas. >> >> From: kazys varnelis >> To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up >> >> Is it called an e-clip? Would one from this kit work? >> >> http://www.amazon.com/MAXCRAFT-7703-E-Clip-Assortment-300-Piece/dp/B0037UPC80/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378660220&sr=8-1&keywords=e-clip >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I imagine that he used a rubber band.  I'm finding this a difficult process since I can't make out how to replace the belts from the service manual.  One thing that makes me most unhappy is that the board that plugs into the main board to provide the signal has been glued in place with a heat gun. Although I can remove the cassette module to a degree, I can't remove it completely from the deck. What a headache. Is there an easy way to get access to  the main drive belt? I have gotten as far as taking the cassette lid and case assembly off and can remove the whole module from the deck, but hadn't gone further.  Kazys On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:01 AM, thomas wrote: > >Cheer up.... you're making progress. Did you replace the main drive belt ? Loss of FF / RW is a classic case of a loose drive belt not making good contact with the idler pulley which rides on the back side of the belt. Other things can affect it also like motor bearings needing a drop of oil and the idler pulley shaft also needing oil....but it's usually a loose or worn out drive belt. Test the reel drive torque by grabbing one of the hubs when in FF or RW without a tape in it and see how powerful it is before it slips. I'd offer to fix the transport for free ( done it many times )   BUT ...I wouldn't want to deprive you of the fun of fixing it yourself... " The Nakamichi Experience "  Just keep at it....we all learned this way. How does it sound playing tapes ?  I love the sound quality of the 600's.    Thomas. > > >________________________________ >From: Kazys Varnelis >To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:49 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up > > > >Good news, bad news. I got my e-clips today and I managed to put one on the spindle. After initial trouble, I managed to jiggle the spindle a little and now the deck is playing. > > >The bad news is that while the rewind and fast forward functions appear to work with no tape inserted, adding the tape seems to prevent both from working. What gives?  > >Sent from my iPad > >On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:08 PM, thomas wrote: > > >I did some more checking on e clips and they also make metric ones...so...that's the kind that are probably used in the 600. Your best bet might be to take the deck to a hobby shop and ask the guy to find one the exact size to fit it.  Besides ...what would you do with the other 299 ?    Thomas. >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: kazys varnelis >>To: thomas ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:11 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 MK II won't take up >> >> >> >>Is it called an e-clip? 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URL: From latvis at rockdata.org Thu Sep 12 17:01:17 2013 From: latvis at rockdata.org (Jarmo Latva-Aijo) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:01:17 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel Message-ID: <201309121651.r8CGp5d5013084@zxe.naks.com> Hi, another try. Null answers earlier :( Sorry my native language is not english.. I'd like to know what is wrong with my very little used Nakamichi CR-3E. Maybe somebody has same problem??? Is this because of old capacitor somewhere??? In both recording and playback it cuts of the highs in another channel. I have tried many cables, many cassettes/types etc. Everytime the same thing. The head is cleaned, adjusted, demagnetized and has no signs of heavy use. And if I record to used tape it do not erase old recording well. Because I have use the machine very little I do not even know if that has been problem since new - I just found out this when tried to digitize some tapes. (yes, I have tested with another cassette deck and with it everything is fine) See the photo http://rockdata.org/naka_problem.jpg Any help to check/find the problem will be nice. Thanks. -L From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Sep 13 16:03:24 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel In-Reply-To: <201309121651.r8CGp5d5013084@zxe.naks.com> References: <201309121651.r8CGp5d5013084@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1379081004.14584.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I am not sure what you mean by 'another channel'. There are left and right channels. Does the problem exist in both? Also, do prerecorded tapes (or tapes recorded on another deck) have this problem, as opposed to only recordings made on this specific CR-3A? -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Jarmo Latva-Aijo >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:01 AM >Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel > > >Hi, another try. Null answers earlier :( > >Sorry my native language is not english.. > >I'd like to know what is wrong with my very little used Nakamichi >CR-3E. Maybe somebody has same problem??? Is this because of old >capacitor somewhere??? > >In both recording and playback it cuts of the highs in another >channel. I have tried many cables, many cassettes/types etc. >Everytime the same thing. The head is cleaned, adjusted, demagnetized >and has no signs of heavy use. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 13 17:36:08 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! In-Reply-To: References: <1378948791.25993.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1379086568.77560.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Martin,  It is quite probable that transistor Q404 is out. Measuring at R406, before the transistor should give you the 12volts assuming the traces are all intact. I would pull Q404 out to check. Quite a few things including both processors on the computer board and RAMM (which controls the 70/120u lights) run off the 10volts. C17 connects all the pushbuttons to the deck. If nothing changed, that you've ruled out dodgy switches. With CN15, the lamps would go out because that connects the lamps to the deck. So the problems would have remained but the lamps will not be powered. With Pins 3 and 4 at 12volts, this means that side of the circuits are ok and they are no stray signals trying to start the auto-calibration process.  Fix that first - then see if all the wonky behaviour cease. If it does, play a tape. If it doesn't we'll take it from whatever the deck does then. Good Luck.  Cheers,  Bala  ________________________________ From: "martinwh at comcast.net" To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help!    Wow!  it is amazing what you can do once you have the manual.  The one I had was only for the limited and I think it just shows the changes to the standard ZXL.  This standard ZXL SM is an amazingly complete manual! OK, it is clear we have a problem with PC2.  Here are the reading you asked for on the PS. PC3 =  4.43V (SB 5V) PC2 = 1.66V (SB 10V) PL2 = 12.04V (SB 12V) PL6 = 12.12V (SB12) PC2 is clearly way off.  How is this fixed? I disconnected CN 17 and powered it on but nothing changed.  Not sure what I was suppose to check? I disconnected CN 15 (along with CN 17) and the flashing C and manual lights did go off as expected.  When I plugged them both back in, it went back as it was before (flashing etc). I did check voltage on BL 11 (I assume this is with CN 15 and CN 17 plugged back in?) the reading was 3.6 mv (+/- .2mv).  BL 9 was neg.8mv (+/- .1 mv).  both of these had fluctuating readings. I checked pin 3 and 4 on IC507 and the reading was 12V on each. What is next doctor??? --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: HI Martin,  Yes the SM goes all the way to Section 13. You can get a nice copy from the Naks Wiki.  Kind Regards,  Bala  ________________________________ From: "martinwh at ..." To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help!   Thanks again Bala! I will try all these things.  Very curious though, I can only find a service manual that goes to section 5 (Hifi engine).  I have seen referance to a section 6?  Is there a more complete SM available? Martin >--- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > >Hi Martin,  > > >I wouldn't advice changing the transistors just yet. First thing first, check your power rails. Have you got the following power:  > > >PC3 : 5V >PC2: 10V >PL2 : +12V >PL6: -12V > > > You could have a possibility of the deck going into auto-calibration mode bypassing the auto-azimuth. When it does that, the auto-azimuth motor is not going to run. Can you disconnect CN17 on CPU board B, then power up? This is the bottom board on the two board 'sandwich' which is at the top of the deck. CN15 connects the RUN, STOP, A,B,C and D preset buttons. I do not think the actual buttons are shot but it pays to tick this off the list. If you disconnect and the deck still does does this, then there's trouble with one or more logic gate ICs. Next is to check the voltage levels at BL9 and BL11 on the CPU Board. These two send Run and Azimuth commands respectively. Flip the deck on it's side so that you can probe the bottom logic board. IC507 combines the RUN or AZIMUTH signals with the transport control (REC / PLAY) so that hitting that magic combination sets off the Auto-Calibration. You need to check the voltage levels at pins 3 and 4 to see what they are.  > > >The 70u and 120u lights is controlled through the RAMM board. It could be a different issue altogether.  > > >The fact that the memory light blinks and that the deck tries to go into Auto-Calibration means that the microprocessor itself works. But one or perhaps more peripheral chips are shot and this causes mayhem. At this stage, my suggestion is to arrest the problem and get the auto-cal to behave itself so that you can get control over the deck. Because with that over-riding, as soon as you turn the machine on, it's not going to allow you to do anything - even monitor your source inputs. Once that is stopped, it should then release the signal path to allow source to come back into the input. That should also give you a ability to playback. Once you've got playback, then you can start working on the auto-azimuth which relies on accurate playback.  > > >Make sure all the connectors are plugged in correctly, re-seat all the boards - including the RAMM board. Check at all the wire-wrap connections are intact and nothing is broken. Make sure nothing it shorting any of the pins or that the connectors are plugged wrongly. I still remember my first 1000ZXL which wouldn't even fully power up. Turned out, a pest got into the FL indicator assembly and shorted the power, taking out all the power regulators. Sometimes, its the simple things (or series of it) that can cause the greatest damage.  > > >Kind Regards,  >Bala  > > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: "martinwh at ..." >To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:31 PM >Subject: RE: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! > > > >  >Yes, Bala your description is correct.  The Able system shows the RH and 120 light as soon as you turn on the deck.  The C light and manual light also come on.  The C light flashes if batteries are out. > >I was also thinking the relays may need replaced.  I have done this on many of my older equipment.  I may need help with a source for these?  > >a member at tapeheads recommended me replace the azimuth motor driver transistors Q538, Q539. > >Thanks!  Martin > >  > > > >>--- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >>Hello Martin, >> >> >>Another point to look for inside the 1000zxl are the relais.  >> >> >>Best regards, >> >> >>Norman >> >>Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >>Op 9 sep. 2013 om 14:04 heeft Bala Ganesh Chandra het volgende geschreven: >> >> >>  >>>HI Martin,  >>> >>> >>>Do the flashing C light and the Eq indicator on the ABLE section come on the moment you turn the deck on? Seems to me like the deck is trying to kick into auto-cal straightaway and the 400Hz tone is fed into the Record Dolby Board. If that's the case, you may have a one (or more) logic gate ICs on the ABLE board failing, which sends the showing the crazy indicators and even inhibiting a simple pass through of source signal. I have seen this parts fail a few times although the microprocessor itself is pretty robust. I have yet to see that particular processor - in fact any processor fail on a tape deck. The logic gates, yes.  >>> >>> >>>But first, let us ascertain that the deck does indeed go into that mode soon after you turn on.  >>> >>> >>>Cheers,  >>>Bala  >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "martinwh at ..." >>>To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 8:08 AM >>>Subject: RE: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! >>> >>> >>> >>>  >>> Thanks for the response Bala! >>> >>>I removed the backup batteries.  I pressed all 4 of the memory buttons at the same time.  No change.  C is still flashing and the manual setting button is still on.  The indicator is still on RH and EQ at 120.  No other lights. >>> >>>I tried resetting with power on and off and unplugged and plugged.  I could get no reset of the calibration system and it is still locked up. >>> >>>I can get no source to go through the unit to the output or to the HP jack.  All I get is what sounds like a constant 400hz calibration signal.  When set to tape, and recording, I can adjust the level of this signal with the line in sliders.  I can replay this signal back on the tape. >>> >>>When set to source, I just get a solid 400hz signal weather I have anything plugged into line in or not. >>> >>>Still perplexed but I will prevail! >>> >>>Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Martin,  >>>> >>>> >>>>You have to have a ZXL in the house! The first order of business would be to get the distortion of the playback sorted out. Because the azimuth and auto-calibration relies on perfect playback, this needs to be looked at. Its good to have the Orange caps ticked off the list.  >>>> >>>> >>>>Removed the backup batteries at this point. They are used for retaining the ABCD tape setting memories. The auto-calibration system memory is in ROM. You can reset the calibration system by pressing all four A, B, C and D buttons together. However, this isn't going to change anything at the moment. Are you able to put in a source in and get it back out through the line-out clearly? If yes, then you got a portion of the signal path checked out. Next, make sure that all the card contacts on the playback board are clean and the DC offset on the board is adjusted correctly ( Step 2 on Section 6.2). >>>> >>>> >>>>Powering up the deck from cold, I assume you are unable to change the EQ 70/120 or the NR selectors. But once you have got all of the above working, what happens then? Do you still have distortion on the left channel? If yes, then a little troubleshooting is in order although this is easy.  >>>> >>>> >>>>I am cross posting this to Naktalk as well so that whatever the resolution it gets added for future reference.  >>>> >>>> >>>>It seems to be a troublesome weeks for left channel - had a really noise left channel on my McIntosh tube power amp that I eventually traced to a dirty tube socket! Two days but at least it all worked out.  >>>> >>>> >>>>Cheers,  >>>>Bala    >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: "martinwh at ..." >>>>To: 1000zxl at yahoogroups.com >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 2:30 AM >>>>Subject: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  >>>>Hello everyone, >>>> >>>>It has been a while since I have posted (the new site looks good so far?).  Several years ago I had a ZXL that had a few issues.  With the help of this site, and a little luck, I was able to get it working exceptionally well. Unfortunately, due to expenses (3 kids in college) I had to let it go a few years back (although I now have a nice Dragon!).  Now I have come across a second ZXL, it is in great shape (maybe not quite as nice as the first one) but it also has some issues. >>>> >>>>As received, it had some serious distortion in the left channel when playing tapes.  It also seems to be locked up as far as the bias and azimuth. The auto azimuth indicator is stuck on the RH light and no other lights are lit. The EQ is on 120. The tape memory number 3 is flashing and the manual set light is on.  I made sure the back-up batteries were good but number 3 continues to blink. >>>> >>>>The deck does not seem to respond to any of the bottom knobs.  When changing EQ, the indicator light stays on 120 and the sound does not change.  Dolby same thing.  Even the tone switch does not change anything. >>>> >>>>When I try to run the auto azimuth routine.  The auto calibration azimuth button lights up solid (no flashing) but indicator lights on top do not change.  It does not run the routine but the tape does record the tone.  Lights as described above do not change. >>>> >>>>It is as if the deck is locked up in auto azimuth calibration mode? It does play though (with distortion). >>>> >>>>Another strange issue I noticed is when I switch it to source, I get a solid tone no matter what is connected to the input.  Again, a sign that it is stuck in auto azimuth mode? >>>> >>>>What I have done so far. >>>> >>>>Basic cleaning and lubrication of the transport.  It was in pretty good shape already.  De-magnified the transport. >>>> >>>>Like my first deck, I decided to replace all the orange caps.  I also replaced all the electrolytic caps (I only replaced the power supply ones on my other).  Yes all of them (except for a couple I am still waiting for)!  Over 250 caps!  I also cleaned all the pots and sliders >>>> >>>>Except that playback was a little better, no other issues were effected.  I do notice the the #3 light is on solid sometimes but flashes most the time (this may have been the same before).  I still have a few caps to replace in the FL indicator PSB (which I assume will not have an audio effect?) and the MIC PSB (which may have effect on sound through output volume?). >>>> >>>>On my other deck I had to replace the azimuth adjuster belt (it had taken a set).  On that deck, with the belt off, when you ran the auto azimuth routine the azimuth motor would run constant (trying to adjust the azimuth).  This deck will not do that.  The motor does not run.  I removed the motor and connected it directly to a DC source and it ran fine.  The arm inside of the azimuth gear box was all the way to one side, so I centered it.  Again, once all back together there was no change. >>>> >>>>So, l am hoping this is a trail some of you have already been on?  Is there a way to reset the computer on this guy?  You would think removing the batteries, and unplugging the deck for a few minutes would zero it out, but this has no effect. >>>> >>>>Although I greatly enjoy the playback performance on my Dragon, I do not think it records quite as well as my original ZXL.  I have many tapes recorded from that deck and they are all exceptional.  >>>> >>>>Any help would be appreciated. >>>> >>>>Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (10) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 13 16:54:56 2013 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (Dave) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:54:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel In-Reply-To: <201309121651.r8CGp5d5013084@zxe.naks.com> References: <201309121651.r8CGp5d5013084@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <58C3DCA7-BE77-45EB-B1D7-34E76DBCE792@bellsouth.net> You may need to check the head alignment. Make sure the bias equalization position buttons match the tape type you are using. Do you have the same problem if Dolby is off? >From David On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:01, Jarmo Latva-Aijo wrote: Hi, another try. Null answers earlier :( Sorry my native language is not english.. I'd like to know what is wrong with my very little used Nakamichi CR-3E. Maybe somebody has same problem??? Is this because of old capacitor somewhere??? In both recording and playback it cuts of the highs in another channel. I have tried many cables, many cassettes/types etc. Everytime the same thing. The head is cleaned, adjusted, demagnetized and has no signs of heavy use. And if I record to used tape it do not erase old recording well. Because I have use the machine very little I do not even know if that has been problem since new - I just found out this when tried to digitize some tapes. (yes, I have tested with another cassette deck and with it everything is fine) See the photo http://rockdata.org/naka_problem.jpg Any help to check/find the problem will be nice. Thanks. -L From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri Sep 13 17:03:47 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 15:03:47 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel In-Reply-To: <1379081004.14584.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <201309121651.r8CGp5d5013084@zxe.naks.com> <1379081004.14584.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB08AD57@STVTEX05> Apparently the "another channel" means "in one of the channels"... Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Ron Enviada em: sexta-feira, 13 de setembro de 2013 11:03 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel I am not sure what you mean by 'another channel'. There are left and right channels. Does the problem exist in both? Also, do prerecorded tapes (or tapes recorded on another deck) have this problem, as opposed to only recordings made on this specific CR-3A? -- Ron ________________________________ From: Jarmo Latva-Aijo > To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel Hi, another try. Null answers earlier :( Sorry my native language is not english.. I'd like to know what is wrong with my very little used Nakamichi CR-3E. Maybe somebody has same problem??? Is this because of old capacitor somewhere??? In both recording and playback it cuts of the highs in another channel. I have tried many cables, many cassettes/types etc. Everytime the same thing. The head is cleaned, adjusted, demagnetized and has no signs of heavy use. And if I record to used tape it do not erase old recording well. Because I have use the machine very little I do not even know if that has been problem since new - I just found out this when tried to digitize some tapes. (yes, I have tested with another cassette deck and with it everything is fine) See the photo http://rockdata.org/naka_problem.jpg Any help to check/find the problem will be nice. Thanks. -L ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informa??es privilegiadas e/ou de car?ter confidencial. 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URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Sat Sep 14 02:17:12 2013 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 12:17:12 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Ray Dolby :(( Message-ID: Farewell to Ray Dolby and thanks for all the noise suppression. http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=827115 Minute of silence please... Gennady Lyskin G e n n L a b http://www.gennlab.com info at gennlab.com Tel: +64 21 238 3056 New Zealand From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 03:02:22 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:02:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Ray Dolby :(( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C760723-4158-400E-9E45-DD64E3D13490@yahoo.com> No tapes today Ray. Our deepest respect for video and audio noise suppression. Sent from my iPhone On 14/09/2013, at 10:17 AM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: > Farewell to Ray Dolby and thanks for all the noise suppression. > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=827115 > > Minute of silence please... > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 03:02:22 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:02:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Ray Dolby :(( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C760723-4158-400E-9E45-DD64E3D13490@yahoo.com> No tapes today Ray. Our deepest respect for video and audio noise suppression. Sent from my iPhone On 14/09/2013, at 10:17 AM, Gennady Lyskin wrote: > Farewell to Ray Dolby and thanks for all the noise suppression. > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=827115 > > Minute of silence please... > > Gennady Lyskin > > G e n n L a b > http://www.gennlab.com > info at gennlab.com > Tel: +64 21 238 3056 > New Zealand > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 03:02:58 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:02:58 +1000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel In-Reply-To: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB08AD57@STVTEX05> References: <201309121651.r8CGp5d5013084@zxe.naks.com> <1379081004.14584.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB08AD57@STVTEX05> Message-ID: <2C75D328-E110-4205-8106-66D794E41571@yahoo.com> Sounds like orange caps to me. Cheers, Bala Sent from my iPhone On 14/09/2013, at 1:03 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > Apparently the “another channel” means “in one of the channels”… > > > Rodrigo > > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Ron > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 13 de setembro de 2013 11:03 > Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Assunto: Re: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel > > > I am not sure what you mean by 'another channel'. There are left and right > channels. Does the problem exist in both? > > Also, do prerecorded tapes (or tapes recorded on another deck) have this > problem, as opposed to only recordings made on this specific CR-3A? > > -- Ron > > > > From: Jarmo Latva-Aijo > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:01 AM > Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel > > Hi, another try. Null answers earlier :( > > Sorry my native language is not english.. > > I'd like to know what is wrong with my very little used Nakamichi > CR-3E. Maybe somebody has same problem??? Is this because of old > capacitor somewhere??? > > In both recording and playback it cuts of the highs in another > channel. I have tried many cables, many cassettes/types etc. > Everytime the same thing. The head is cleaned, adjusted, demagnetized > and has no signs of heavy use. And if I record to used tape it do not > erase old recording well. > > Because I have use the machine very little I do not even know if that > has been problem since new - I just found out this when tried to > digitize some tapes. (yes, I have tested with another cassette deck > and with it everything is fine) > > See the photo http://rockdata.org/naka_problem.jpg > > Any help to check/find the problem will be nice. Thanks. > > -L > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. 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Have to check the caps... here in Finland stereo is one channel & another channel (left/right) :) Yes. it clips highs with all tapes -L At 04:02 14.9.2013, you wrote: >Sounds like orange caps to me. > >Cheers, >Bala > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 14/09/2013, at 1:03 AM, Rodrigo Krause ><rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote: > >>Apparently the “another channel” means “in one of the channels” >> >> >>Rodrigo >> >>De: >>naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Ron >>Enviada em: sexta-feira, 13 de setembro de 2013 11:03 >>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi >>CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel >> >> >>I am not sure what you mean by 'another channel'. There are left and right >>channels. Does the problem exist in both? >> >>Also, do prerecorded tapes (or tapes recorded on another deck) have this >>problem, as opposed to only recordings made on this specific CR-3A? >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >>From: Jarmo Latva-Aijo <latvis at rockdata.org> >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:01 AM >>Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi >>CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel >> >>Hi, another try. Null answers earlier :( >> >>Sorry my native language is not english.. >> >>I'd like to know what is wrong with my very little used Nakamichi >>CR-3E. Maybe somebody has same problem??? Is this because of old >>capacitor somewhere??? >> >>In both recording and playback it cuts of the highs in another >>channel. I have tried many cables, many cassettes/types etc. >>Everytime the same thing. The head is cleaned, adjusted, demagnetized >>and has no signs of heavy use. And if I record to used tape it do not >>erase old recording well. >> >>Because I have use the machine very little I do not even know if that >>has been problem since new - I just found out this when tried to >>digitize some tapes. (yes, I have tested with another cassette deck >>and with it everything is fine) >> >>See the photo >>http://rockdata.org/naka_problem.jpg >> >>Any help to check/find the problem will be nice. Thanks. >> >>-L >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>---------- >>Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode >>conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de >>caráter confidencial. Informamos que qualquer >>divulgação, distribuição ou cópia desta >>mensagem sem a prévia autorização do >>remetente é estritamente proibida. Se você >>recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, >>notifique imediatamente o remetente e apague esta mensagem. >> >>This e-mail message, including its exhibits, >>may contain privileged and/or confidential >>information. We hereby inform that any >>dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>message without sender prior consent is >>strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>message in error, please immediately notify sender and delete this message. >> >>---------- >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 20:34:12 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RES: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel In-Reply-To: <2C75D328-E110-4205-8106-66D794E41571@yahoo.com> References: <201309121651.r8CGp5d5013084@zxe.naks.com> <1379081004.14584.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB08AD57@STVTEX05> <2C75D328-E110-4205-8106-66D794E41571@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1379183652.34012.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Sounds like orange caps to me. Could be that, or quite a few other possible causes. Before anything else, I would check head outputs, to make sure it's not a mechanical tape traveling issue. Since one of the channels is good, I would then trace the signals along the playback paths while playing a mono tape, comparing corresponding points in the two channels. Shouldn't take too long to locate the faulty component. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Bala Ganesh >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:02 PM >Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel > > > >Sounds like orange caps to me.  > > >Cheers,  >Bala  > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 14/09/2013, at 1:03 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > > > >>Apparently the “another channel” means “in one of the channels”… >>  >>  >>Rodrigo >>  >>De:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Ron >>Enviada em: sexta-feira, 13 de setembro de 2013 11:03 >>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel >>  >> >>I am not sure what you mean by 'another channel'. There are left and right >>channels. Does the problem exist in both? >> >>Also, do prerecorded tapes (or tapes recorded on another deck) have this >>problem, as opposed to only recordings made on this specific CR-3A? >> >>-- Ron >>  >>  >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>From:Jarmo Latva-Aijo >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:01 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel >>> >>>Hi, another try. Null answers earlier :( >>> >>>Sorry my native language is not english.. >>> >>>I'd like to know what is wrong with my very little used Nakamichi >>>CR-3E. Maybe somebody has same problem??? Is this because of old >>>capacitor somewhere??? >>> >>>In both recording and playback it cuts of the highs in another >>>channel. I have tried many cables, many cassettes/types etc. >>>Everytime the same thing. The head is cleaned, adjusted, demagnetized >>>and has no signs of heavy use. And if I record to used tape it do not >>>erase old recording well. >>> >>>Because I have use the machine very little I do not even know if that >>>has been problem since new - I just found out this when tried to >>>digitize some tapes. (yes, I have tested with another cassette deck >>>and with it everything is fine) >>> >>>See the photo http://rockdata.org/naka_problem.jpg >>> >>>Any help to check/find the problem will be nice. Thanks. >>> >>>-L >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>________________________________ >> >>Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. Informamos que qualquer divulgação, distribuição ou cópia desta mensagem sem a prévia autorização do remetente é estritamente proibida. Se você recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, notifique imediatamente o remetente e apague esta mensagem. >> >>This e-mail message, including its exhibits, may contain privileged and/or confidential information. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 07:17:21 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:17:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C3AC793-DE76-408C-BEBB-85279EB5715D@yahoo.com> Hi Martin, Ok officially the deck is crawling. Now that we have tamed the deck, the next step would be to check those bulbs. The easier way is to see if you have voltage going to them at CN27 on the RAMM pcb for the EQ and NR, and CN 15 on CPU B board for the auto calibration lamps. If yes, then you know it's just a blown bulb. Or, it could be a bad component upstream causing the lamp ( and associated function) not to turn on. At this stage, I would still recommend you get the deck playing completely perfect before attempting to run the azimuth adjustment or auto calibration because you are going to need perfect playback for troubleshooting both. What was the last modification you mention that caused the meters to go full scale? Have you tried putting in a source and getting it to pass through the deck without issue? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh On 15/09/2013, at 9:56 AM, wrote: > > > We are making some progress. I replaced the Q404 transistor and was able to get PC2 to read 10v. > > Turned on the deck and the C light and manual light were off. I could switch the manual light off and on just fine and also each of the memory lights. I installed the batteries and the memory lights stopped flashing. > > I played a tape and distortion was greatly reduced but still there. With it set to manual, I can now use all the switches (except one) with effect. Dolby works but the light does not come on. EQ works but only the 120 light comes on. When switched to 70 the 120 light goes off. I think most of the bulbs on top are burnt out? Only RH, 120, and EXT seem to work. > > All the lower switches seem to work except the 400hz tone switch has no effect (as before). > > Only the RH light comes on in the ABLE, and again, I think the others may be burnt out? > > I then noticed the meters were almost pegged to full when playing a tape or switching to source. It has never done this before, they seem to work just fine before this last modification? When on tape, and not on play, they go all the way to the left as they should. Hit play or source and they peg to the right. > > When switched to source I no longer hear a 400hz tone but there is a low background hum. > > I tried to use the auto azimuth. Only difference is now both the run and azimuth light come on at the same time, only the azimuth came on before. The RH light stays on and the 120 light stays on (if you have it switched to 120, goes off if set to 70). The tape does record the tone, but nothing else happens. > > I did try adjusting the playback azimuth while playing a tape but it sounded about the best where it was initially. > > > > --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > yes it looks like the transistor is out. The emitter is only reading 1.6 volts and it should be 10v. > > > > Man I sure hope it is this simple!!! > > > > --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > It is quite probable that transistor Q404 is out. Measuring at R406, before the transistor should give you the 12volts assuming the traces are all intact. I would pull Q404 out to check. Quite a few things including both processors on the computer board and RAMM (which controls the 70/120u lights) run off the 10volts. C17 connects all the pushbuttons to the deck. If nothing changed, that you've ruled out dodgy switches. With CN15, the lamps would go out because that connects the lamps to the deck. So the problems would have remained but the lamps will not be powered. With Pins 3 and 4 at 12volts, this means that side of the circuits are ok and they are no stray signals trying to start the auto-calibration process. > > Fix that first - then see if all the wonky behaviour cease. If it does, play a tape. If it doesn't we'll take it from whatever the deck does then. Good Luck. > > Cheers, > Bala > From: "martinwh at ..." > To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:37 PM > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! > > > Wow! it is amazing what you can do once you have the manual. The one I had was only for the limited and I think it just shows the changes to the standard ZXL. This standard ZXL SM is an amazingly complete manual! > > OK, it is clear we have a problem with PC2. Here are the reading you asked for on the PS. > > PC3 = 4.43V (SB 5V) > PC2 = 1.66V (SB 10V) > PL2 = 12.04V (SB 12V) > PL6 = 12.12V (SB12) > > PC2 is clearly way off. How is this fixed? > > I disconnected CN 17 and powered it on but nothing changed. Not sure what I was suppose to check? > > I disconnected CN 15 (along with CN 17) and the flashing C and manual lights did go off as expected. When I plugged them both back in, it went back as it was before (flashing etc). > > I did check voltage on BL 11 (I assume this is with CN 15 and CN 17 plugged back in?) the reading was 3.6 mv (+/- .2mv). BL 9 was neg.8mv (+/- .1 mv). both of these had fluctuating readings. > > I checked pin 3 and 4 on IC507 and the reading was 12V on each. > > What is next doctor??? > > > > > > > --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > HI Martin, > > Yes the SM goes all the way to Section 13. You can get a nice copy from the Naks Wiki. > > Kind Regards, > Bala > > From: "martinwh at ..." > To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:06 AM > Subject: RE: Re: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! > > > Thanks again Bala! > > I will try all these things. Very curious though, I can only find a service manual that goes to section 5 (Hifi engine). I have seen referance to a section 6? Is there a more complete SM available? > > Martin > > > > --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > I wouldn't advice changing the transistors just yet. First thing first, check your power rails. Have you got the following power: > > PC3 : 5V > PC2: 10V > PL2 : +12V > PL6: -12V > > You could have a possibility of the deck going into auto-calibration mode bypassing the auto-azimuth. When it does that, the auto-azimuth motor is not going to run. Can you disconnect CN17 on CPU board B, then power up? This is the bottom board on the two board 'sandwich' which is at the top of the deck. CN15 connects the RUN, STOP, A,B,C and D preset buttons. I do not think the actual buttons are shot but it pays to tick this off the list. If you disconnect and the deck still does does this, then there's trouble with one or more logic gate ICs. Next is to check the voltage levels at BL9 and BL11 on the CPU Board. These two send Run and Azimuth commands respectively. Flip the deck on it's side so that you can probe the bottom logic board. IC507 combines the RUN or AZIMUTH signals with the transport control (REC / PLAY) so that hitting that magic combination sets off the Auto-Calibration. You need to check the voltage levels at pins 3 and 4 to see what they are. > > The 70u and 120u lights is controlled through the RAMM board. It could be a different issue altogether. > > The fact that the memory light blinks and that the deck tries to go into Auto-Calibration means that the microprocessor itself works. But one or perhaps more peripheral chips are shot and this causes mayhem. At this stage, my suggestion is to arrest the problem and get the auto-cal to behave itself so that you can get control over the deck. Because with that over-riding, as soon as you turn the machine on, it's not going to allow you to do anything - even monitor your source inputs. Once that is stopped, it should then release the signal path to allow source to come back into the input. That should also give you a ability to playback. Once you've got playback, then you can start working on the auto-azimuth which relies on accurate playback. > > Make sure all the connectors are plugged in correctly, re-seat all the boards - including the RAMM board. Check at all the wire-wrap connections are intact and nothing is broken. Make sure nothing it shorting any of the pins or that the connectors are plugged wrongly. I still remember my first 1000ZXL which wouldn't even fully power up. Turned out, a pest got into the FL indicator assembly and shorted the power, taking out all the power regulators. Sometimes, its the simple things (or series of it) that can cause the greatest damage. > > Kind Regards, > Bala > > > > From: "martinwh at ..." > To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:31 PM > Subject: RE: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! > > > Yes, Bala your description is correct. The Able system shows the RH and 120 light as soon as you turn on the deck. The C light and manual light also come on. The C light flashes if batteries are out. > > I was also thinking the relays may need replaced. I have done this on many of my older equipment. I may need help with a source for these? > > a member at tapeheads recommended me replace the azimuth motor driver transistors Q538, Q539. > > Thanks! Martin > > > > --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hello Martin, > > Another point to look for inside the 1000zxl are the relais. > > Best regards, > > Norman > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > > Op 9 sep. 2013 om 14:04 heeft Bala Ganesh Chandra het volgende geschreven: > > > HI Martin, > > Do the flashing C light and the Eq indicator on the ABLE section come on the moment you turn the deck on? Seems to me like the deck is trying to kick into auto-cal straightaway and the 400Hz tone is fed into the Record Dolby Board. If that's the case, you may have a one (or more) logic gate ICs on the ABLE board failing, which sends the showing the crazy indicators and even inhibiting a simple pass through of source signal. I have seen this parts fail a few times although the microprocessor itself is pretty robust. I have yet to see that particular processor - in fact any processor fail on a tape deck. The logic gates, yes. > > But first, let us ascertain that the deck does indeed go into that mode soon after you turn on. > > Cheers, > Bala > > From: "martinwh at ..." > To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 8:08 AM > Subject: RE: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! > > > Thanks for the response Bala! > > I removed the backup batteries. I pressed all 4 of the memory buttons at the same time. No change. C is still flashing and the manual setting button is still on. The indicator is still on RH and EQ at 120. No other lights. > > I tried resetting with power on and off and unplugged and plugged. I could get no reset of the calibration system and it is still locked up. > > I can get no source to go through the unit to the output or to the HP jack. All I get is what sounds like a constant 400hz calibration signal. When set to tape, and recording, I can adjust the level of this signal with the line in sliders. I can replay this signal back on the tape. > > When set to source, I just get a solid 400hz signal weather I have anything plugged into line in or not. > > Still perplexed but I will prevail! > > Martin > > > --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > You have to have a ZXL in the house! The first order of business would be to get the distortion of the playback sorted out. Because the azimuth and auto-calibration relies on perfect playback, this needs to be looked at. Its good to have the Orange caps ticked off the list. > > Removed the backup batteries at this point. They are used for retaining the ABCD tape setting memories. The auto-calibration system memory is in ROM. You can reset the calibration system by pressing all four A, B, C and D buttons together. However, this isn't going to change anything at the moment. Are you able to put in a source in and get it back out through the line-out clearly? If yes, then you got a portion of the signal path checked out. Next, make sure that all the card contacts on the playback board are clean and the DC offset on the board is adjusted correctly ( Step 2 on Section 6.2). > > Powering up the deck from cold, I assume you are unable to change the EQ 70/120 or the NR selectors. But once you have got all of the above working, what happens then? Do you still have distortion on the left channel? If yes, then a little troubleshooting is in order although this is easy. > > I am cross posting this to Naktalk as well so that whatever the resolution it gets added for future reference. > > It seems to be a troublesome weeks for left channel - had a really noise left channel on my McIntosh tube power amp that I eventually traced to a dirty tube socket! Two days but at least it all worked out. > > Cheers, > Bala > > From: "martinwh at ..." > To: 1000zxl at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 2:30 AM > Subject: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! > > > Hello everyone, > > It has been a while since I have posted (the new site looks good so far?). Several years ago I had a ZXL that had a few issues. With the help of this site, and a little luck, I was able to get it working exceptionally well. Unfortunately, due to expenses (3 kids in college) I had to let it go a few years back (although I now have a nice Dragon!). Now I have come across a second ZXL, it is in great shape (maybe not quite as nice as the first one) but it also has some issues. > > As received, it had some serious distortion in the left channel when playing tapes. It also seems to be locked up as far as the bias and azimuth. The auto azimuth indicator is stuck on the RH light and no other lights are lit. The EQ is on 120. The tape memory number 3 is flashing and the manual set light is on. I made sure the back-up batteries were good but number 3 continues to blink. > > The deck does not seem to respond to any of the bottom knobs. When changing EQ, the indicator light stays on 120 and the sound does not change. Dolby same thing. Even the tone switch does not change anything. > > When I try to run the auto azimuth routine. The auto calibration azimuth button lights up solid (no flashing) but indicator lights on top do not change. It does not run the routine but the tape does record the tone. Lights as described above do not change. > > It is as if the deck is locked up in auto azimuth calibration mode? It does play though (with distortion). > > Another strange issue I noticed is when I switch it to source, I get a solid tone no matter what is connected to the input. Again, a sign that it is stuck in auto azimuth mode? > > What I have done so far. > > Basic cleaning and lubrication of the transport. It was in pretty good shape already. De-magnified the transport. > > Like my first deck, I decided to replace all the orange caps. I also replaced all the electrolytic caps (I only replaced the power supply ones on my other). Yes all of them (except for a couple I am still waiting for)! Over 250 caps! I also cleaned all the pots and sliders > > Except that playback was a little better, no other issues were effected. I do notice the the #3 light is on solid sometimes but flashes most the time (this may have been the same before). I still have a few caps to replace in the FL indicator PSB (which I assume will not have an audio effect?) and the MIC PSB (which may have effect on sound through output volume?). > > On my other deck I had to replace the azimuth adjuster belt (it had taken a set). On that deck, with the belt off, when you ran the auto azimuth routine the azimuth motor would run constant (trying to adjust the azimuth). This deck will not do that. The motor does not run. I removed the motor and connected it directly to a DC source and it ran fine. The arm inside of the azimuth gear box was all the way to one side, so I centered it. Again, once all back together there was no change. > > So, l am hoping this is a trail some of you have already been on? Is there a way to reset the computer on this guy? You would think removing the batteries, and unplugging the deck for a few minutes would zero it out, but this has no effect. > > Although I greatly enjoy the playback performance on my Dragon, I do not think it records quite as well as my original ZXL. I have many tapes recorded from that deck and they are all exceptional. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (13) > RECENT ACTIVITY: > Visit Your Group > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback > . > > __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Sep 15 19:56:17 2013 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 23:26:17 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] What is wrong? Nakamichi CR-3E playback/recording cuts high frequencies in another channel In-Reply-To: <201309151002.r8FA048f018927@zxe.naks.com> References: <201309151002.r8FA048f018927@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Latvis This could be a problem within the bias circuitry ... like the film capacitors. What i would suggest at first is to give it a good cleanup (the potentiometers, connectors etc) then check the interconnect cables. The easiest way would be to replace the orange drop caps within the bias circuitry and then check if the sound is normalized. If not, then you know the fault lies elsewhere so you can start tracing from the head PCB onto the main PCB and so on. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford at cliffordnovey.com Sun Sep 15 20:28:01 2013 From: clifford at cliffordnovey.com (Clifford Novey) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 18:28:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] REQ: 500 cassette deck restoration advice Message-ID: Hi everyone, my name is Clifford. First post here! I bought a 500 dual head but it needs work. It squeals sometimes and the left channel will do this pulsing low freq sound after the unit has been on a few mins. Everything works otherwise- play, record from both mic inputs, headphone output, line inputs, dolby seems to work, not sure about the limiter. I have a full setup of tools and soldering skills. I have built 3 or 4 DIY guitar pedal projects and they all work great etc. What I am looking for is some insight as to where I might begin to try and get this thing working 100% again. Caps? Which ones? etc. I have the manual and service manual but I am no EE so although I can swap parts and know my diodes from my resistors I really cannot do this without expert and experienced input from YOU! :) Also, mine is the 500 but I also see the "dual tracer" version- any difference in the two? Here is a video- http://youtu.be/o1b5qY7yVPU Here are some pics- https://plus.google.com/photos/105266388149148864163/albums/5923803081836749265?authkey=CIvKutyDut6Ydg Clifford Novey clifford at cliffordnovey.com 310-463-7339 AOL- cliffordnovey1 ICQ- 5706653 YIM- om_audio GT- cnovey Skype- clifford.novey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 07:12:10 2013 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:12:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66547D0E-A86A-4E17-B6AF-58A4ECD47D20@yahoo.com> Hi Martin, Ok replacing q404 is a fix, that got you back power to the processors and certain logic circuits. That isn't a modification. The fact that the 10v rail wasn't working maybe perhaps because of some other fault that that power rail is connected to. Because its all RAMM and auto calibration logic, there's a possibility something is not functioning that way it's supposed to to allow monitor and playback. Take it easy mate, as far as ZXLs go, this isn't half as bad as I've seen. Bala Sent from my iPhone On 16/09/2013, at 9:18 AM, wrote: > I will check the bulbs within a few days. > > > > You asked, "What was the last modification you mention that caused the meters to go full scale? " > > > > I just replaced the Q404 transistor on the PS was the only mod. The meter worked fine before this change. > > > > I hooked up an input to the RCA input but I could get nothing to pass through and the meters still got to max when on source. > > > > As I have been using the headphone jack to test until now I tried the output RCAs to my system. No change. > > > > I now notice when I switch the 400hz switch on I can get the tone but only when I am switched on source. > > > > I was playing back a tape for a few minutes when it started to get quieter. Then all sound stopped from the player. The tape is moving but now I get no sound at all. Last night I played a tape for 10 minutes with no problem. Yes I tired another tape with no luck. So I don't have a clue why this new symptom has started as I have not done anything to the deck since last night? > > > > The journey continues... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 23:54:32 2013 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 14:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] REQ: 500 cassette deck restoration advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1379282072.13816.YahooMailNeo@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I haven't worked on a 500 yet ...but... the first thing is to find the circuit board mounted record / play switch which is usually activated by a linkage from the record key to the switch and spray it out good with zero residue contact cleaner. Work it back and forth by going from record to play to record a bunch of times to make sure the contacts are clean. Start with that and then get back to us.   Thomas ________________________________ From: Clifford Novey To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 2:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] REQ: 500 cassette deck restoration advice Hi everyone, my name is Clifford. First post here!   I bought a 500 dual head but it needs work. It squeals sometimes and the left channel will do this pulsing low freq sound after the unit has been on a few mins. Everything works otherwise- play, record from both mic inputs, headphone output, line inputs, dolby seems to work, not sure about the limiter.   I have a full setup of tools and soldering skills. I have built 3 or 4 DIY guitar pedal projects and they all work great etc.   What I am looking for is some insight as to where I might begin to try and get this thing working 100% again. Caps? Which ones? etc.   I have the manual and service manual but I am no EE so although I can swap parts and know my diodes from my resistors I really cannot do this without expert and experienced input from YOU!   :)   Also, mine is the 500 but I also see the "dual tracer" version- any difference in the two?   Here is a video- http://youtu.be/o1b5qY7yVPU   Here are some pics-   https://plus.google.com/photos/105266388149148864163/albums/5923803081836749265?authkey=CIvKutyDut6Ydg     Clifford Novey clifford at cliffordnovey.com 310-463-7339 AOL- cliffordnovey1 ICQ- 5706653 YIM- om_audio GT- cnovey Skype- clifford.novey   ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Same on headphone or line outs. I did also verify the limiter works just only seems to be active when the unit is in record. Thanks, C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford at cliffordnovey.com Tue Sep 17 12:14:53 2013 From: clifford at cliffordnovey.com (Clifford Novey) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:14:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: REQ: 500 cassette deck restoration advice Message-ID: Hi, I just played the test tone back into the unit to show how the left channel is lower and also shows an odd regular pulsing that the right side does not. No audio but I recorded the test tone from the NAK 500 to an external digital recorder and played it back in via the line inputs. http://youtu.be/l5IB8o0J750 Thanks, Clifford -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 16:14:50 2013 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] . Re: REQ: 500 cassette deck restoration advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1379427290.80156.YahooMailNeo@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Nakamichi sometimes glues components down to the circuit board...and that might be what's on the capacitor. If they leak it's usually at the ends not on the sides. The record / play switches ( long thin switch ) are usually covered by a tin shield making the contacts impossible to see, so I hope you sprayed out the correct switch.   Now it's time to do the dolby calibration for the tape you're using ( EX is normal , SX is chrome type II )  . record the built in test tone and adjust the calibration controls until you get a 0 dB reading on playback of the recorded 400 hz tone. Hopefully this is all explained in the user manual. Oh...and a little bit of glitching is normal when the tone is playing back ...and.....ususally it's worse in one of the channels. Try to use a good quality blank tape ( kinda hard to find nowadays )....keep at it. and get back to us.  Thomas. ________________________________ From: Clifford Novey To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] . Re: REQ: 500 cassette deck restoration advice Hi,   The contacts looked clean but I ran rome cleaner over them anyway as you suggested. I also found a cap on the bottom with a nasty looking crust which is rubbery and not brittle but does not really look like glue. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5XQPtqV3p-I/UjgM351v4xI/AAAAAAAA0aE/8X16fVckxHk/w958-h540-no/IMAG3970.jpg   I tried to clean it off the pcb but it is on there good.   Oddly, I have been using and testing the unit tonight for hours and there has been no squealing or funny noise. Only a little right at first and seemed to happen when Dolby was on.   I am going to leave it on overnight to see if that has any effect.   The main problem tonight was that the left channel is lower in volume and almost sounds out of phase on playback. Same on headphone or line outs.   I did also verify the limiter works just only seems to be active when the unit is in record.   Thanks, C ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check his website at: www.marrscommunications.com/ Best, Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Kennedy, Chris Enviada em: quarta-feira, 18 de setembro de 2013 12:09 Para: 'naktalk at naks.com' Assunto: [naktalk] A230 drive belt Good morning! n4229k (eBay seller name) told me to contact the NAKS group with regard to where I may purchase high quality A230 drive belts for my Yamaha K-1020 cassette decks. Best Regards, Chris Kennedy Facilities Maintenance Technician KCI Montana CELL: (406)925-9588 DIRECT LINE: (406)683-8665 "CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission (including any accompanying attachments) is confidential, is intended only for the individual or entity named above, and is likely to contain privileged, proprietary and confidential information that is exempt from disclosure requests under applicable law. 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Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Sep 2013, at 1:41 pm, martinwh at comcast.net wrote: > > how do I arrange for payment and shipment? > > From: "Willy Hermann" > To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:49:01 AM > Subject: Re: RE: Re: [1000ZXL] My second ZXL, need help! > > > I have direct replacement relays available with the same pin configuration. They are $75 for the set of three plus freight ($10 domestically, $20 internationally). > Willy > > >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:48 AM, wrote: >> >> So I have come to the point where I think the next step are the relays. I'm having a hard time finding them with the same spacing. I'm sure someone has blazed this trail before??? >> >> >> >> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> OK, I've determined a lot of the problems are caused by poor traces on the main board at the connection with the daughter boards. This board is slightly warped and some of the solder joints have worked loose. I also think the relays on this board are intermittent. Know a source for these relays. >> >> >> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> I am copying Naktalk into the mails because that along with the wiki is the best repository for information. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 17/09/2013, at 12:04 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: >> >> >> Hi guys , >> >> Very happy with all the information. >> Maybe in the future i could use it for repairing my own 1000zxl. >> Do we have something like a repair experience database here? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 16 sep. 2013 om 15:05 heeft het volgende geschreven: >> >> >> Yes, I am enjoying the journey :) >> >> >> >> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, <1000zxl at yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Martin, >> >> Ok replacing q404 is a fix, that got you back power to the processors and certain logic circuits. That isn't a modification. >> >> The fact that the 10v rail wasn't working maybe perhaps because of some other fault that that power rail is connected to. Because its all RAMM and auto calibration logic, there's a possibility something is not functioning that way it's supposed to to allow monitor and playback. >> >> Take it easy mate, as far as ZXLs go, this isn't half as bad as I've seen. >> >> Bala >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 16/09/2013, at 9:18 AM, wrote: >> >> >> I will check the bulbs within a few days. >> >> >> >> You asked, "What was the last modification you mention that caused the meters to go full scale? " >> >> >> >> I just replaced the Q404 transistor on the PS was the only mod. The meter worked fine before this change. >> >> >> >> I hooked up an input to the RCA input but I could get nothing to pass through and the meters still got to max when on source. >> >> >> >> As I have been using the headphone jack to test until now I tried the output RCAs to my system. No change. >> >> >> >> I now notice when I switch the 400hz switch on I can get the tone but only when I am switched on source. >> >> >> >> I was playing back a tape for a few minutes when it started to get quieter. Then all sound stopped from the player. The tape is moving but now I get no sound at all. Last night I played a tape for 10 minutes with no problem. Yes I tired another tape with no luck. So I don't have a clue why this new symptom has started as I have not done anything to the deck since last night? >> >> >> The journey continues... >> > > __._,_.___ > Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (26) > RECENT ACTIVITY: > Visit Your Group > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback > . > > __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at marrscom.com Thu Sep 26 17:03:26 2013 From: orders at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 9-26-13 ( Naktalk ) MARRS COMMUNICATIONS WEBSITE Message-ID: <52444CBE.5050003@marrscom.com> *MARRS COMMUNICATIONS WEBSITE* * 9-26-2013 Effective Immediately, All Belt Kits are now sold through my Website Only. Marrs Communications will No Longer be Selling Belts on eBay. After almost 14 Years of Selling History with eBay, they have become much to hard to deal with. They constantly change the User Agreement or Rules, and their Website. It is now a full time job to keep up with their changes. Most Importantly, they continue to be biased towards the Buyer, and do Not protect or care about their Sellers. The eBay and PayPal fees have driven up selling prices required by All Sellers, just to make a profit. This gives the Buyer the impression the Seller is ripping them off. Enough is Enough. SOME additional reductions in price, will be implemented on my Website. My decision to end the relationship with eBay, was made at a time I have 100% Positive Feedback on the eBay Site. ( As of Tuesday 9-24-13 ) The eBay marrscomfred Store, was Closed on Tuesday 9-24 Permanently. This will give me control of incoming orders, so shipping delays are prevented. ( This has been a problem ) Thanks to everyone for your Business and Continued Support ! Fred M. ********* http://www.marrscommunications.com ********* From pinkert6 at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 19:35:04 2013 From: pinkert6 at gmail.com (brian pinkerton) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:35:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 9-26-13 ( Naktalk ) MARRS COMMUNICATIONS WEBSITE In-Reply-To: <52444CBE.5050003@marrscom.com> References: <52444CBE.5050003@marrscom.com> Message-ID: I don't blame you Fred. Thanks for the info. On Sep 26, 2013 12:01 PM, "Fred Marrs" wrote: > > *MARRS COMMUNICATIONS WEBSITE* > * > > 9-26-2013 > > Effective Immediately, > > > All Belt Kits are now sold through my Website Only. > > > Marrs Communications will No Longer be Selling Belts on eBay. > > > After almost 14 Years of Selling History with eBay, > > they have become much to hard to deal with. > > > They constantly change the User Agreement or Rules, and their Website. > > > It is now a full time job to keep up with their changes. > > > Most Importantly, they continue to be biased towards the Buyer, > > and do Not protect or care about their Sellers. > > > The eBay and PayPal fees have driven up selling prices required > > by All Sellers, just to make a profit. > > > This gives the Buyer the impression the Seller is ripping them off. > > Enough is Enough. > > > SOME additional reductions in price, will be implemented on my Website. > > > My decision to end the relationship with eBay, was made at a time I have > > 100% Positive Feedback on the eBay Site. 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They constantly change the User Agreement or Rules, and their Website. It is now a full time job to keep up with their changes. Most Importantly, they continue to be biased towards the Buyer, and do Not protect or care about their Sellers. The eBay and PayPal fees have driven up selling prices required by All Sellers, just to make a profit. This gives the Buyer the impression the Seller is ripping them off. Enough is Enough. SOME additional reductions in price, will be implemented on my Website. My decision to end the relationship with eBay, was made at a time I have 100% Positive Feedback on the eBay Site. ( As of Tuesday 9-24-13 ) The eBay marrscomfred Store, was Closed on Tuesday 9-24 Permanently. This will give me control of incoming orders, so shipping delays are prevented. ( This has been a problem ) Thanks to everyone for your Business and Continued Support ! 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If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify sender and delete this message. ________________________________ From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 27 10:49:20 2013 From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:49:20 +0800 (SGT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 Message-ID: <1380271760.82918.YahooMailNeo@web190603.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> hi all. can some one let me know what is the output transistor cod number, type and make inside nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck ? my left channel has stopped working and my vu meter shows both channel working. also suggest an alternative replacement. is it available on net ? pl also let me know how and from where i get this transistor. i stay at mumbai, india. vijay bagaria. vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Fri Sep 27 20:15:36 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:15:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout Message-ID: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> How can I properly check out a suspected remote that may or may not be functioning properly? Seller says the light blinks on the remote but cassette deck doesn't respond. If it's the deck itself, I suspect this isn't going to be cheap to fix. From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri Sep 27 21:30:58 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:30:58 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout In-Reply-To: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> References: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB093DC7@STVTEX05> One way to see if the infrared light/diode is working (major reason for malfunctioning remotes) is to set your video camera (best to use your cell phone), turn it on, aim it at your remote and hit any button. You should be able to see the actual beam. The second possibility is that the printed board/circuit has micro cracks that require a little soldering to make them even. All of the above is correct if the problem is in the remote...which fortunately tends to be the vast majority of cases. Rodrigo -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Roland Enviada em: sexta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2013 15:16 Para: Naktalk Assunto: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout How can I properly check out a suspected remote that may or may not be functioning properly? Seller says the light blinks on the remote but cassette deck doesn't respond. If it's the deck itself, I suspect this isn't going to be cheap to fix. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. 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If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify sender and delete this message. ________________________________ From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri Sep 27 21:35:04 2013 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:35:04 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout In-Reply-To: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> References: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB093DDC@STVTEX05> If the problem is the remote and there is no possibility of repairing it, try www.newremotecontrol.com. They have quite a large selection...and the prices seem okay. Good luck Rodrigo -----Mensagem original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Roland Enviada em: sexta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2013 15:16 Para: Naktalk Assunto: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout How can I properly check out a suspected remote that may or may not be functioning properly? Seller says the light blinks on the remote but cassette deck doesn't respond. If it's the deck itself, I suspect this isn't going to be cheap to fix. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. Informamos que qualquer divulgação, distribuição ou cópia desta mensagem sem a prévia autorização do remetente é estritamente proibida. Se você recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, notifique imediatamente o remetente e apague esta mensagem. This e-mail message, including its exhibits, may contain privileged and/or confidential information. We hereby inform that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without sender prior consent is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify sender and delete this message. ________________________________ From josephjean at verizon.net Fri Sep 27 22:26:58 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:26:58 -0400 Subject: RES: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout In-Reply-To: <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB093DC7@STVTEX05> References: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB093DC7@STVTEX05> Message-ID: <5245EA12.7070608@verizon.net> This makes me feel a bit better that the issue is most likely the remote itself. I see you can get a working non Nak remote for $30. Doesn't have the name or the labels on the buttons but it appears they do work. On 9/27/2013 3:30 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > One way to see if the infrared light/diode is working (major reason for malfunctioning remotes) is to set your video camera (best to use your cell phone), turn it on, aim it at your remote and hit any button. You should be able to see the actual beam. The second possibility is that the printed board/circuit has micro cracks that require a little soldering to make them even. All of the above is correct if the problem is in the remote...which fortunately tends to be the vast majority of cases. > > > Rodrigo > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Roland > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2013 15:16 > Para: Naktalk > Assunto: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout > > How can I properly check out a suspected remote that may or may not be functioning properly? > > Seller says the light blinks on the remote but cassette deck doesn't respond. > > If it's the deck itself, I suspect this isn't going to be cheap to fix. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ________________________________ > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. Informamos que qualquer divulgação, distribuição ou cópia desta mensagem sem a prévia autorização do remetente é estritamente proibida. Se você recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, notifique imediatamente o remetente e apague esta mensagem. > > > This e-mail message, including its exhibits, may contain privileged and/or confidential information. We hereby inform that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without sender prior consent is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify sender and delete this message. > > ________________________________ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Sep 27 22:28:57 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 In-Reply-To: <1380271760.82918.YahooMailNeo@web190603.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> References: <1380271760.82918.YahooMailNeo@web190603.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380313737.66901.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> There is no 'output transistor', per se, The output is driven by op-amp IC308 (NJM0820), which there is no reason to suspect (let alone, replace), as it is preceded by a long signal path from the display take-off point (where you already know the signal exists) to the output. Also, it is followed by the output control and muting circuitry that could be the cause of the problem. As usual in such cases, the best way to diagnose is to follow the signal path with a signal tracer. Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes to find the fault. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Vijay Bagaria >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:49 AM >Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 > > > >hi all. >can some one let me know what is the output transistor cod number, type and make inside nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck ? >my left channel has stopped working and my vu meter shows both channel working. also suggest an alternative replacement. >is it available on net ? pl also let me know how and from where i get this transistor. i stay at mumbai, india. > > >vijay bagaria. >vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Sep 27 22:28:57 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 In-Reply-To: <1380271760.82918.YahooMailNeo@web190603.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> References: <1380271760.82918.YahooMailNeo@web190603.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380313737.66901.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> There is no 'output transistor', per se, The output is driven by op-amp IC308 (NJM0820), which there is no reason to suspect (let alone, replace), as it is preceded by a long signal path from the display take-off point (where you already know the signal exists) to the output. Also, it is followed by the output control and muting circuitry that could be the cause of the problem. As usual in such cases, the best way to diagnose is to follow the signal path with a signal tracer. Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes to find the fault. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Vijay Bagaria >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:49 AM >Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 > > > >hi all. >can some one let me know what is the output transistor cod number, type and make inside nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck ? >my left channel has stopped working and my vu meter shows both channel working. also suggest an alternative replacement. >is it available on net ? pl also let me know how and from where i get this transistor. i stay at mumbai, india. > > >vijay bagaria. >vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pinkert6 at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 23:21:56 2013 From: pinkert6 at gmail.com (brian pinkerton) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:21:56 -0700 Subject: RES: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout In-Reply-To: <5245EA12.7070608@verizon.net> References: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB093DC7@STVTEX05> <5245EA12.7070608@verizon.net> Message-ID: Where do you get one 4 $30.00. The cheapest I have seen is 34.00 on Epay. On Sep 27, 2013 5:17 PM, "Roland" wrote: > This makes me feel a bit better that the issue is most likely the remote > itself. I see you can get a working non Nak remote for $30. Doesn't have > the name or the labels on the buttons but it appears they do work. > > > On 9/27/2013 3:30 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > >> One way to see if the infrared light/diode is working (major reason for >> malfunctioning remotes) is to set your video camera (best to use your cell >> phone), turn it on, aim it at your remote and hit any button. You should be >> able to see the actual beam. The second possibility is that the printed >> board/circuit has micro cracks that require a little soldering to make them >> even. All of the above is correct if the problem is in the remote...which >> fortunately tends to be the vast majority of cases. >> >> >> Rodrigo >> >> -----Mensagem original----- >> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.**com] >> Em nome de Roland >> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2013 15:16 >> Para: Naktalk >> Assunto: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout >> >> How can I properly check out a suspected remote that may or may not be >> functioning properly? >> >> Seller says the light blinks on the remote but cassette deck doesn't >> respond. >> >> If it's the deck itself, I suspect this isn't going to be cheap to fix. >> >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------- >> **------------------------------**-----========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> ______________________________**__ >> >> >> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações >> privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. 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URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Sat Sep 28 01:16:47 2013 From: josephjean at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:16:47 -0400 Subject: RES: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout In-Reply-To: References: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB093DC7@STVTEX05> <5245EA12.7070608@verizon.net> Message-ID: <524611DF.30301@verizon.net> Typo on my part. I thought I saw $29.95 but it was really $39.95. On 9/27/2013 5:21 PM, brian pinkerton wrote: > > Where do you get one 4 $30.00. The cheapest I have seen is 34.00 on Epay. > > On Sep 27, 2013 5:17 PM, "Roland" > wrote: > > This makes me feel a bit better that the issue is most likely the > remote itself. I see you can get a working non Nak remote for > $30. Doesn't have the name or the labels on the buttons but it > appears they do work. > > > On 9/27/2013 3:30 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > > One way to see if the infrared light/diode is working (major > reason for malfunctioning remotes) is to set your video camera > (best to use your cell phone), turn it on, aim it at your > remote and hit any button. You should be able to see the > actual beam. The second possibility is that the printed > board/circuit has micro cracks that require a little soldering > to make them even. All of the above is correct if the problem > is in the remote...which fortunately tends to be the vast > majority of cases. > > > Rodrigo > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com > ] Em nome de Roland > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2013 15:16 > Para: Naktalk > Assunto: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout > > How can I properly check out a suspected remote that may or > may not be functioning properly? > > Seller says the light blinks on the remote but cassette deck > doesn't respond. > > If it's the deck itself, I suspect this isn't going to be > cheap to fix. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ________________________________ > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações > privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 28 02:30:54 2013 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RES: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout In-Reply-To: References: <5245CB48.5020800@verizon.net> <2DA1DAF07B14404E8CBE5DA5683381FB093DC7@STVTEX05> <5245EA12.7070608@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1380328254.50286.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Wireless remotes will put "noise" in AM broadcast radios. Tune your radio between stations on AM and point the remote at the antenna  a couple of inches away and push buttons. Remotes that I've seen have clear LED's soldered to the circuit board just behind the red lens. Bob N ________________________________ From: brian pinkerton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 2:21 PM Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout Where do you get one 4 $30.00. The cheapest I have seen is 34.00 on Epay. On Sep 27, 2013 5:17 PM, "Roland" wrote: This makes me feel a bit better that the issue is most likely the remote itself.  I see you can get a working non Nak remote for $30. Doesn't have the name or the labels on the buttons but it appears they do work. > > >On 9/27/2013 3:30 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > >One way to see if the infrared light/diode is working (major reason for malfunctioning remotes) is to set your video camera (best to use your cell phone), turn it on, aim it at your remote and hit any button. You should be able to see the actual beam. The second possibility is that the printed board/circuit has micro cracks that require a little soldering to make them even. All of the above is correct if the problem is in the remote...which fortunately tends to be the vast majority of cases. >> >> >>Rodrigo >> >>-----Mensagem original----- >>De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Roland >>Enviada em: sexta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2013 15:16 >>Para: Naktalk >>Assunto: [naktalk] CR7A remote checkout >> >>How can I properly check out a suspected remote that may or may not be functioning properly? >> >>Seller says the light blinks on the remote but cassette deck doesn't respond. >> >>If it's the deck itself, I suspect this isn't going to be cheap to fix. >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>________________________________ >> >> >>Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informações privilegiadas e/ou de caráter confidencial. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Sep 29 16:26:38 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 07:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 In-Reply-To: <1380337831.53016.YahooMailNeo@web190602.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> References: <1380337831.53016.YahooMailNeo@web190602.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380464798.5035.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Vijay, I can't identify the 3 transistors you mentioned, because I do not have a CR-5 deck and the service manual doen't show this information. Temperature of transistors is not necessarily an indication they are bad -- some other failing component could cause a transistor to run hot, even though the transistor itself is good. You can download the CR-5 service manual from http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents I am located in the US. I have no idea who can service Nakamichi equipment in India. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Vijay Bagaria >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:10 PM >Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 > > > >hi ron, > i mean a power  transistor wich gets hot when you play the deck. there are three of them fixed to the left side of chasis of the deck near mains transformer.. i assume the fault lies there since one of them is not getting heated up. what are these things ? >also let me know the usual process in detail to diagnose the fault with signal generator. show me test points on a photograph of a circuit board. > also suggest me a good signal generator. >i am an architect by profession and not an electronics freak. >from where i can download sevice manual of cr 5 ? >where do i get service for cr 5 in mumbai, india? > > >vijay bagaria. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Sep 29 16:26:38 2013 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 07:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 In-Reply-To: <1380337831.53016.YahooMailNeo@web190602.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> References: <1380337831.53016.YahooMailNeo@web190602.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380464798.5035.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Vijay, I can't identify the 3 transistors you mentioned, because I do not have a CR-5 deck and the service manual doen't show this information. Temperature of transistors is not necessarily an indication they are bad -- some other failing component could cause a transistor to run hot, even though the transistor itself is good. You can download the CR-5 service manual from http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents I am located in the US. I have no idea who can service Nakamichi equipment in India. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Vijay Bagaria >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:10 PM >Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 > > > >hi ron, > i mean a power  transistor wich gets hot when you play the deck. there are three of them fixed to the left side of chasis of the deck near mains transformer.. i assume the fault lies there since one of them is not getting heated up. what are these things ? >also let me know the usual process in detail to diagnose the fault with signal generator. show me test points on a photograph of a circuit board. > also suggest me a good signal generator. >i am an architect by profession and not an electronics freak. >from where i can download sevice manual of cr 5 ? >where do i get service for cr 5 in mumbai, india? > > >vijay bagaria. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 30 14:01:21 2013 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 In-Reply-To: <1380337831.53016.YahooMailNeo@web190602.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> References: <1380337831.53016.YahooMailNeo@web190602.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380542481.61651.YahooMailNeo@web121404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> There is nobody in india who would service a Nakamichi easily. When I was living india till year2001, I learnt to service nakamichi taking help from Ron /Stephen sank few others on the very same list. I find that today even in US you can count the number of people who can service Nakamichi cassette recorders. I came to know one person in Chennai six months ago who serviced his Dragon through my help. He definitely can help you provided you are  in Chennai or willing to travel to chennai and meet him. I do not know him personally and cannot claim anything beyond that I felt he is sincere . If you are interested send me a mail off line from this list and I will send you his email id for contacting him. However any electronic service man who services amps/ cassette recorders can trouble shoot your power supply issue. Bombay Lamington street area has some service people. However be careful about the person you are giving your deck as many no so smart guys in india service tape recorders and can damage your nice CR5 Kannan From: Vijay Bagaria To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi cr 5 hi ron,  i mean a power  transistor wich gets hot when you play the deck. there are three of them fixed to the left side of chasis of the deck near mains transformer.. i assume the fault lies there since one of them is not getting heated up. what are these things ? also let me know the usual process in detail to diagnose the fault with signal generator. show me test points on a photograph of a circuit board.  also suggest me a good signal generator. i am an architect by profession and not an electronics freak. from where i can download sevice manual of cr 5 ? where do i get service for cr 5 in mumbai, india? vijay bagaria. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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